The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism (1 Viewer)

[Chaos Commish]

Qualifications of Signers:


Signatories are approved for inclusion in the Petition Project list if they have obtained formal educational degrees at the level of Bachelor of Science or higher in appropriate scientific fields. The petition has been circulated only in the United States.

The current list of petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,157 MS; 2,586 MD and DVM; and 12,715 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.

All of the listed signers have formal educations in fields of specialization that suitably qualify them to evaluate the research data related to the petition statement. Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.

That "petition" is nonsense. It's a fraud. It's been debunked thoroughly. It's Rush Limbaugh material. It's comedy. Anyone can sign it. A Spice Girl was on it. Many of the names were made up. It did make rounds for signatures through some mass email campaigns, and a small percentage of it is legit, but anyone who has tried to validate signatures has ended up laughing. I'm sympathetic to many denier concerns, but it's hard when you undermine them with bullschtick.

 

[DiStefano]

Lucky for us, there is a plucky group of underfunded but spirited entities like ExxonMobil ($420 Billion in 2013 revenue) fighting to keep an evil and all-powerful group of college professors and researchers from spreading their lies. Clearly the scientists have so much to gain from their falsehoods, while groups like ExxonMobil have no incentive except to see truth spread throughout the land.

The US government alone spends more than $4 billion on climate change reseach, which by far dwarfs the collective spending of every think tank research groups for the past decade. It is not like these researchers are working for free or that there are not money-making schemes on the global warming side. For every $1 spent by conservative think tanks, there is easily $100 spent advancing global warming. These poor college professors are working for free out of the goodness of their huge hearts. I feel so charitable for these poor professors who milk another $400 from each student for the books they require for their classes which they just happen to have written. They are such sweet and innocent people who only care about the truth and nothing about money.

And I'll say this again. What a colossal waste of money.

Climate scientist thought process:

"Climate change is not a problem; weather will fluctuate...(Government expenditures on climate research trending toward zero)"

"Climate change is a huge problem and will end civilization as we know it...(Government expenditures on climate research trending towards infinity)"

"Gee, I wonder how I ought to tweak my computer projections?"

 

[Josie Maran]

 

[drummer]

http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-jerry-brown-california-climate-change-20140519-story.html

Gov. Jerry Brown continued to sound the alarm about climate change on Monday, saying people need to find a way to "live with nature" and "not to collide with it."

"We have to adapt," he said. "The climate is changing. There's no doubt."

Brown's speech, at a Sacramento event organized by the Giannini Foundation of Agricultural Economics, touched on deforestation in Brazil and the melting of the Antarctic ice sheet.

Given that it's wildfire season here in CA - where people continue to build in forest areas - it's a sound alarm (pun?).

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Vanna White never looked so good

 

[Borden]

For those of you who DON'T believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it does exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

For those of you who DON'T believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it does exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

The planet has existed for a hell of a long time and there is no way that I'm going to think that 20-30 years is going to put Earth in a place with all the doom and gloom some want to predict. The arrogance some have about messing with Mother Nature is laughable.

George Carlin said it best.

http://youtu.be/7W33HRc1A6c

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/251836-we-re-so-self-important-everybody-s-going-to-save-something-now-save

 

[timschochet]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow.

We all know that.

 

[DiStefano]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

You want them to give up the money? First class air travel to Kyoto and Geneva? Luxury hotel accommodations?

Have a heart.

 

[datonn]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

You want them to give up the money? First class air travel to Kyoto and Geneva? Luxury hotel accommodations?

Have a heart.

You sound like my sister. Complaining about how I'm "living the good life" (while she lives the underwhelming life she created for herself), criss-crossing the country/planet for work. Never mind the 70+ hour work weeks. Or living out of a suitcase. Or missing your wife and kids. All those scientists are on "perma-vacation," right?!

And you forgot to include places such as Antartica, Northern Canada, Africa, and Siberia when you listed Kyoto and Geneva in your list of their "vacation" destinations too. H2H.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

You want them to give up the money? First class air travel to Kyoto and Geneva? Luxury hotel accommodations?Have a heart.

You sound like my sister. Complaining about how I'm "living the good life" (while she lives the underwhelming life she created for herself), criss-crossing the country/planet for work. Never mind the 70+ hour work weeks. Or living out of a suitcase. Or missing your wife and kids. All those scientists are on "perma-vacation," right?! And you forgot to include places such as Antartica, Northern Canada, Africa, and Siberia when you listed Kyoto and Geneva in your list of their "vacation" destinations too. H2H.

You are one bizarre dude

 

[MaxThreshold]

For those of you who DON'T believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it does exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

The problem with your question is you're assuming those who are skeptical on the science don't believe in climate change. Virtually everyone believes the climate is changing. It's the degree of man's impact that we are skeptical about.

 

[Chaos Commish]

For those of you who DON'T believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it does exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

The problem with your question is you're assuming those who are skeptical on the science don't believe in climate change. Virtually everyone believes the climate is changing. It's the degree of man's impact that we are skeptical about.

There's even a large group willing to go along with the accepted science but rejecting proposed solutions. That may best describe me though I am skeptical of long term predictions from models that screw up in the near term. The chicken little alarmism annoys me more than the dumbed-down deniers too.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Methane (CH4) is the second most prevalent greenhouse gas emitted in the United States from human activities. In 2012, CH4 accounted for about 9% of all U.S. greenhouse gas emissions from human activities. Methane is emitted by natural sources such as wetlands, as well as human activities such as leakage from natural gas systems and the raising of livestock. Natural processes in soil and chemical reactions in the atmosphere help remove CH4 from the atmosphere. Methane's lifetime in the atmosphere is much shorter than carbon dioxide (CO2), but CH4 is more efficient at trapping radiation than CO2. Pound for pound, the comparative impact of CH4 on climate change is over 20 times greater than CO2over a 100-year period.

 

[StrikeS2k]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

You want them to give up the money? First class air travel to Kyoto and Geneva? Luxury hotel accommodations?

Have a heart.

You sound like my sister. Complaining about how I'm "living the good life" (while she lives the underwhelming life she created for herself), criss-crossing the country/planet for work. Never mind the 70+ hour work weeks. Or living out of a suitcase. Or missing your wife and kids. All those scientists are on "perma-vacation," right?!

And you forgot to include places such as Antartica, Northern Canada, Africa, and Siberia when you listed Kyoto and Geneva in your list of their "vacation" destinations too. H2H.

Man, you could really make a difference by quitting your carbon burning footprint lifestyle.

 

[drummer]

For those of you who DON'T believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it does exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

The problem with your question is you're assuming those who are skeptical on the science don't believe in climate change. Virtually everyone believes the climate is changing. It's the degree of man's impact that we are skeptical about.

Here's a thought: mankind has kinda evolved over the past 300 years or so. Ya know, industrial revolution, transportation, buildings, concrete, greening up area's that were once desert, etc.

Oh yeah, and chemicals. Lots and lots of chemicals.

 

[Borden]

For those of you who DON'T believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it does exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

The problem with your question is you're assuming those who are skeptical on the science don't believe in climate change. Virtually everyone believes the climate is changing. It's the degree of man's impact that we are skeptical about.

I put "(as a major concern)" in the question to try to help clarify. I'm trying my best to not word anything so that it sounds like the question is tilting one way or the other. Used Copy and Paste for the bottom line even.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I don't get why we need the debate. It is a fact that most of the mass extinction events on this planet is linked to climate change.

What amazes me is that states out west only realize now that they do not have enough reservoirs.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I don't get why we need the debate. It is a fact that most of the mass extinction events on this planet is linked to climate change.

What amazes me is that states out west only realize now that they do not have enough reservoirs.

I'd like to believe we're a tad more responsible and resourceful than those extinct species.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I don't get why we need the debate. It is a fact that most of the mass extinction events on this planet is linked to climate change.

What amazes me is that states out west only realize now that they do not have enough reservoirs.

I'd like to believe we're a tad more responsible and resourceful than those extinct species.

There was plenty evidence of this in the Malaysia flight MH370 thread.

It comes down to the basic needs for survival: water, food, shelter, clothing...

 

[MaxThreshold]

For those of you who DON'T believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it does exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

The problem with your question is you're assuming those who are skeptical on the science don't believe in climate change. Virtually everyone believes the climate is changing. It's the degree of man's impact that we are skeptical about.

There's even a large group willing to go along with the accepted science but rejecting proposed solutions. That may best describe me though I am skeptical of long term predictions from models that screw up in the near term. The chicken little alarmism annoys me more than the dumbed-down deniers too.

I think this describes me for the most part too. I'm all for protecting the environment, but the solutions, IMO, are designed to basically screw Americans while everyone in the rest of the world does nothing but pay lip service.

 

[Tango]

For those of you who DON'T believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it does exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

The problem with your question is you're assuming those who are skeptical on the science don't believe in climate change. Virtually everyone believes the climate is changing. It's the degree of man's impact that we are skeptical about.

There's even a large group willing to go along with the accepted science but rejecting proposed solutions. That may best describe me though I am skeptical of long term predictions from models that screw up in the near term. The chicken little alarmism annoys me more than the dumbed-down deniers too.

I think this describes me for the most part too. I'm all for protecting the environment, but the solutions, IMO, are designed to basically screw Americans while everyone in the rest of the world does nothing but pay lip service.

Further, the problem is framed as so global in scope that the solutions are necessarily designed to grow the power of many over-grown Federal and international governmental bodies. It's that request for widespread control as the solution that sets my alarm off and makes me skeptical.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So lets just keeps pumping all that crap into the air we breath ...we are like little bugs on the face of the earth ...no harm done...lets crank it up ten fold and have a giant industrial party...the more the better ...it aint hurtin nuttin so let it ride baby ...YAAAAA

 

[MaxThreshold]

So lets just keeps pumping all that crap into the air we breath ...we are like little bugs on the face of the earth ...no harm done...lets crank it up ten fold and have a giant industrial party...the more the better ...it aint hurtin nuttin so let it ride baby ...YAAAAA

I think you're being a bit of a drama queen here. No one is saying we should be doing this. We all agree that the environment should be protected - but not at the cost of taxing us to death and pushing us back to the stone age.

And I think we already have massive amounts of regulations here in the US controlling what acceptable levels are. It's the rest of the world that doesn't care about anything other than hamstringing the United States.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So lets just keeps pumping all that crap into the air we breath ...we are like little bugs on the face of the earth ...no harm done...lets crank it up ten fold and have a giant industrial party...the more the better ...it aint hurtin nuttin so let it ride baby ...YAAAAA

I think you're being a bit of a drama queen here. No one is saying we should be doing this. We all agree that the environment should be protected - but not at the cost of taxing us to death and pushing us back to the stone age.

And I think we already have massive amounts of regulations here in the US controlling what acceptable levels are. It's the rest of the world that doesn't care about anything other than hamstringing the United States.

Really? Id say im being a wiseass more than anything....but im not far off ...have you read this thread? Guys like DrJ come off just like im acting above ...every single thing thats suggests that man is polluting the environment is scoffed at and made fun of.

 

[Kal El]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

The list of things scientists have been wrong about over the course of human history could fill a decent sized library. What the whole "climate change research" boils down to is keeping the money flowing by whoever's providing the funding. If your funding provider thinks the world is doomed, why would you jeopardize that by proving them wrong? Keep them scared and keep the money flowing. The term "climate change" is misleading, as I'm sure has been posted in here before. The very nature of climate is environmental changes over time. Once upon a time, the Sahara was a lush area, probably capable of supporting all manner of life. Now it's the world's biggest sand pit. The idea that mankind can irrevocably alter a planet's systems is laughable. The Sun exerts far more control over the weather and climate that we could ever hope to achieve, and even a volcanic eruption affects the weather more than we can.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

The list of things scientists have been wrong about over the course of human history could fill a decent sized library. What the whole "climate change research" boils down to is keeping the money flowing by whoever's providing the funding. If your funding provider thinks the world is doomed, why would you jeopardize that by proving them wrong? Keep them scared and keep the money flowing.The term "climate change" is misleading, as I'm sure has been posted in here before. The very nature of climate is environmental changes over time. Once upon a time, the Sahara was a lush area, probably capable of supporting all manner of life. Now it's the world's biggest sand pit. The idea that mankind can irrevocably alter a planet's systems is laughable. The Sun exerts far more control over the weather and climate that we could ever hope to achieve, and even a volcanic eruption affects the weather more than we can.

the earth is like the human body in the sense its a fine oiled machine built to sustain life...if you beat the crap out of your body with drugs and butts and alcohol at some point its going to break down....does that mean it wont break down living clean ? No....but you increase the odds tremendously . Why would beating up the earth with chemicals be any different?

 

[Borden]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

The list of things scientists have been wrong about over the course of human history could fill a decent sized library. What the whole "climate change research" boils down to is keeping the money flowing by whoever's providing the funding. If your funding provider thinks the world is doomed, why would you jeopardize that by proving them wrong? Keep them scared and keep the money flowing. The term "climate change" is misleading, as I'm sure has been posted in here before. The very nature of climate is environmental changes over time. Once upon a time, the Sahara was a lush area, probably capable of supporting all manner of life. Now it's the world's biggest sand pit. The idea that mankind can irrevocably alter a planet's systems is laughable. The Sun exerts far more control over the weather and climate that we could ever hope to achieve, and even a volcanic eruption affects the weather more than we can.

You are correct but I think the idea behind "climate change" is that human pollution (in whatever form) is shortening the window of a habitable environment for humans.

 

[jonessed]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

The list of things scientists have been wrong about over the course of human history could fill a decent sized library. What the whole "climate change research" boils down to is keeping the money flowing by whoever's providing the funding. If your funding provider thinks the world is doomed, why would you jeopardize that by proving them wrong? Keep them scared and keep the money flowing. The term "climate change" is misleading, as I'm sure has been posted in here before. The very nature of climate is environmental changes over time. Once upon a time, the Sahara was a lush area, probably capable of supporting all manner of life. Now it's the world's biggest sand pit. The idea that mankind can irrevocably alter a planet's systems is laughable. The Sun exerts far more control over the weather and climate that we could ever hope to achieve, and even a volcanic eruption affects the weather more than we can.

You are correct but I think the idea behind "climate change" is that human pollution (in whatever form) is shortening the window of a habitable environment for humans.

That's quite a leap. Can you point me to a reliable study that predicts the new extinction point?

 

[Sand]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

The list of things scientists have been wrong about over the course of human history could fill a decent sized library. What the whole "climate change research" boils down to is keeping the money flowing by whoever's providing the funding. If your funding provider thinks the world is doomed, why would you jeopardize that by proving them wrong? Keep them scared and keep the money flowing.The term "climate change" is misleading, as I'm sure has been posted in here before. The very nature of climate is environmental changes over time. Once upon a time, the Sahara was a lush area, probably capable of supporting all manner of life. Now it's the world's biggest sand pit. The idea that mankind can irrevocably alter a planet's systems is laughable. The Sun exerts far more control over the weather and climate that we could ever hope to achieve, and even a volcanic eruption affects the weather more than we can.

You are correct but I think the idea behind "climate change" is that human pollution (in whatever form) is shortening the window of a habitable environment for humans.

Why would you immediately assume this will shorten the window? If anything a slightly warmer planets widens the envelope.

 

[Kal El]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

The list of things scientists have been wrong about over the course of human history could fill a decent sized library. What the whole "climate change research" boils down to is keeping the money flowing by whoever's providing the funding. If your funding provider thinks the world is doomed, why would you jeopardize that by proving them wrong? Keep them scared and keep the money flowing.The term "climate change" is misleading, as I'm sure has been posted in here before. The very nature of climate is environmental changes over time. Once upon a time, the Sahara was a lush area, probably capable of supporting all manner of life. Now it's the world's biggest sand pit. The idea that mankind can irrevocably alter a planet's systems is laughable. The Sun exerts far more control over the weather and climate that we could ever hope to achieve, and even a volcanic eruption affects the weather more than we can.

You are correct but I think the idea behind "climate change" is that human pollution (in whatever form) is shortening the window of a habitable environment for humans.

Why would you immediately assume this will shorten the window? If anything a slightly warmer planets widens the envelope.

I'm all for the idea of lessening the pollution of hazardous chemicals and the non-recycling of plastics, but I agree. A warmer planet would increase the zones where food could be produced, and extend the range of animals living in those zones.

 

[DiStefano]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

The list of things scientists have been wrong about over the course of human history could fill a decent sized library. What the whole "climate change research" boils down to is keeping the money flowing by whoever's providing the funding. If your funding provider thinks the world is doomed, why would you jeopardize that by proving them wrong? Keep them scared and keep the money flowing.The term "climate change" is misleading, as I'm sure has been posted in here before. The very nature of climate is environmental changes over time. Once upon a time, the Sahara was a lush area, probably capable of supporting all manner of life. Now it's the world's biggest sand pit. The idea that mankind can irrevocably alter a planet's systems is laughable. The Sun exerts far more control over the weather and climate that we could ever hope to achieve, and even a volcanic eruption affects the weather more than we can.

You are correct but I think the idea behind "climate change" is that human pollution (in whatever form) is shortening the window of a habitable environment for humans.

That's quite a leap. Can you point me to a reliable study that predicts the new extinction point?

2013. It was fairly obvious, when you looked at the computer projections.

 

[Josie Maran]

Climate change is gonna be awesome, you guys!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Climate change is gonna be awesome, you guys!

i think the storms will be fun to watch as they grow in intensity...the devastation will make for great CNN viewing

 

[jon_mx]

If you guys love glaciers so much, go live on one.

 

[Rove!]

For those of you who DO believe in climate change (as a major concern), what would it take for you to believe it doesn't exist? What "proof" would you need to see?

I wouldn't need to "see" anything, because I honestly don't understand what I see anyhow. I would need the world's foremost scientists on this issue to come out and state that new evidence contradicts their previous findings.

The list of things scientists have been wrong about over the course of human history could fill a decent sized library. What the whole "climate change research" boils down to is keeping the money flowing by whoever's providing the funding. If your funding provider thinks the world is doomed, why would you jeopardize that by proving them wrong? Keep them scared and keep the money flowing.The term "climate change" is misleading, as I'm sure has been posted in here before. The very nature of climate is environmental changes over time. Once upon a time, the Sahara was a lush area, probably capable of supporting all manner of life. Now it's the world's biggest sand pit. The idea that mankind can irrevocably alter a planet's systems is laughable. The Sun exerts far more control over the weather and climate that we could ever hope to achieve, and even a volcanic eruption affects the weather more than we can.

You are correct but I think the idea behind "climate change" is that human pollution (in whatever form) is shortening the window of a habitable environment for humans.

Why would you immediately assume this will shorten the window? If anything a slightly warmer planets widens the envelope.

I'm all for the idea of lessening the pollution of hazardous chemicals and the non-recycling of plastics, but I agree. A warmer planet would increase the zones where food could be produced, and extend the range of animals living in those zones.

Of course, those plants and animals will absorb some carbon...

 

[Sand]

Climate change is gonna be awesome, you guys!

i think the storms will be fun to watch as they grow in intensity...the devastation will make for great CNN viewing

If it causes more plane crashes CNN will be in hog heaven for years.

 

[Rove!]

Climate change is gonna be awesome, you guys!

i think the storms will be fun to watch as they grow in intensity...the devastation will make for great CNN viewing

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/hurricane.shtml

NOAA’s 2014 Atlantic Hurricane Season Outlook indicates that a near-normal or below-normal hurricane season is likely this year. The outlook calls for a 50% chance of a below-normal season, a 40% chance of a near-normal season, and only a 10% chance of an above-normal season. See NOAA definitions of above-, near-, and below-normal seasons. The Atlantic hurricane region includes the North Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, and Gulf of Mexico.

 

[datonn]

http://www.upworthy.com/a-host-helps-bill-nye-with-a-perfect-response-to-all-the-people-who-doubt-his-science-facts-on-tv?g=2&c=ufb1

The little jokes from 0:40-0:50 and 1:14-1:24 made me laugh out loud. All schtick and comedy aside though, it is an interesting point. 1 person who believes in man-made climate change, debating 1 person who thinks "the jury is still out," or "we don't have enough evidence." When 97% of scientists will tell you that humans are having a (negative) impact on the planet's climate...and generations to come will pay for our actions since the Industrial Revolution.

 

[jon_mx]

http://www.upworthy.com/a-host-helps-bill-nye-with-a-perfect-response-to-all-the-people-who-doubt-his-science-facts-on-tv?g=2&c=ufb1

The little jokes from 0:40-0:50 and 1:14-1:24 made me laugh out loud. All schtick and comedy aside though, it is an interesting point. 1 person who believes in man-made climate change, debating 1 person who thinks "the jury is still out," or "we don't have enough evidence." When 97% of scientists will tell you that humans are having a (negative) impact on the planet's climate...and generations to come will pay for our actions since the Industrial Revolution.

That is not what 97 percent agree upon. HTH.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

What I found interesting is the scientific evidence that drastic climate changes had happened In only one or two years and not decades or centuries.

 

[DiStefano]

Climate change is gonna be awesome, you guys!

i think the storms will be fun to watch as they grow in intensity...the devastation will make for great CNN viewing

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/hurricane.shtml

NOAA’s 2014 Atlantic Hurricane Season Outlook indicates that a near-normal or below-normal hurricane season is likely this year. The outlook calls for a 50% chance of a below-normal season, a 40% chance of a near-normal season, and only a 10% chance of an above-normal season. See NOAA definitions of above-, near-, and below-normal seasons. The Atlantic hurricane region includes the North Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, and Gulf of Mexico.

A below normal hurricane season is evidence of climate change; so is an above normal one.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Climate change is gonna be awesome, you guys!

i think the storms will be fun to watch as they grow in intensity...the devastation will make for great CNN viewing

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/hurricane.shtml

NOAA’s 2014 Atlantic Hurricane Season Outlook indicates that a near-normal or below-normal hurricane season is likely this year. The outlook calls for a 50% chance of a below-normal season, a 40% chance of a near-normal season, and only a 10% chance of an above-normal season. See NOAA definitions of above-, near-, and below-normal seasons. The Atlantic hurricane region includes the North Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, and Gulf of Mexico.

A below normal hurricane season is evidence of climate change; so is an above normal one.

And just to be clear i was being sarcastic about the storms ...its never good seeing what a tornado or a hurricane can do to people

 

[Chaos Commish]

http://www.upworthy.com/a-host-helps-bill-nye-with-a-perfect-response-to-all-the-people-who-doubt-his-science-facts-on-tv?g=2&c=ufb1

The little jokes from 0:40-0:50 and 1:14-1:24 made me laugh out loud. All schtick and comedy aside though, it is an interesting point. 1 person who believes in man-made climate change, debating 1 person who thinks "the jury is still out," or "we don't have enough evidence." When 97% of scientists will tell you that humans are having a (negative) impact on the planet's climate...and generations to come will pay for our actions since the Industrial Revolution.

That is not what 97 percent agree upon. HTH.

Dr. Roy Spencer, Nasa science guy, is a well known vilified denier dude. Here he co-authors, along with some Heartland guy, an article about this 97%. Of course, they end with the bogus petition Jim11 likes. Nonetheless the rest of the information is mostly accurate as I understand these surveys of the science and scientists. There really isn't the consensus the media, our president, and most alarmists often claim.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Climate change is gonna be awesome, you guys!

i think the storms will be fun to watch as they grow in intensity...the devastation will make for great CNN viewing

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/hurricane.shtml

NOAA’s 2014 Atlantic Hurricane Season Outlook indicates that a near-normal or below-normal hurricane season is likely this year. The outlook calls for a 50% chance of a below-normal season, a 40% chance of a near-normal season, and only a 10% chance of an above-normal season. See NOAA definitions of above-, near-, and below-normal seasons. The Atlantic hurricane region includes the North Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, and Gulf of Mexico.

A below normal hurricane season is evidence of climate change; so is an above normal one.

And just to be clear i was being sarcastic about the storms ...its never good seeing what a tornado or a hurricane can do to people

Well be comforted knowing the best ipcc/nasa/noaa papers all conclude global warming means less tornadoes, less tropical storms, less typhoons and less hurricanes. Those that we get will be stronger on average by 2-11%, not that much, and won't be statistically significant until the latter half of this century. The great horror of global warming is rising oceans which will take a good 200 to 1000 years to do significant damage to heavily populated coasts.

 

[fatness]

Dr. Roy Spencer seems objective.

If there is no God, who or what caused the universe to begin? There really are only two basic options – it created itself out of nothing or it was created by something greater than itself! If everything that begins to exist has a cause, and the universe began to exist, the universe must have had a cause.

Science has startled us with its many discoveries and advances, but it has hit a brick wall in its attempt to rid itself of the need for a creator and designer. In fact, every year that passes reveals all the more starkly that a naturalistic explanation for the origin of the universe, life, complexity, consciousness and reason is not merely 'difficult' but hopelessly impossible.

So does the Heartland Institute

• The NIPCC does not follow the same rigorous scientific evaluation process as the IPCC.The Heartland Institute has a long history of opposing settled science in the interests of its free-market funders, and has used decidedly un-scientific tactics to do so.

 

[spreagle]

Climate change is gonna be awesome, you guys!

i think the storms will be fun to watch as they grow in intensity...the devastation will make for great CNN viewing

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/hurricane.shtml

NOAA’s 2014 Atlantic Hurricane Season Outlook indicates that a near-normal or below-normal hurricane season is likely this year. The outlook calls for a 50% chance of a below-normal season, a 40% chance of a near-normal season, and only a 10% chance of an above-normal season. See NOAA definitions of above-, near-, and below-normal seasons. The Atlantic hurricane region includes the North Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, and Gulf of Mexico.

A below normal hurricane season is evidence of climate change; so is an above normal one.

And just to be clear i was being sarcastic about the storms ...its never good seeing what a tornado or a hurricane can do to people

Well be comforted knowing the best ipcc/nasa/noaa papers all conclude global warming means less tornadoes, less tropical storms, less typhoons and less hurricanes. Those that we get will be stronger on average by 2-11%, not that much, and won't be statistically significant until the latter half of this century. The great horror of global warming is rising oceans which will take a good 200 to 1000 years to do significant damage to heavily populated coasts.

It should also be mentioned that Global Warming will cause hurricanes to spin in the wrong direction according to pictures in the global warming bible (an inconvenient truth) and scientists are not yet sure what horrific damage these reverse-spinning hurricanes could cause.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Climate change is gonna be awesome, you guys!

i think the storms will be fun to watch as they grow in intensity...the devastation will make for great CNN viewing

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/hurricane.shtml

NOAA’s 2014 Atlantic Hurricane Season Outlook indicates that a near-normal or below-normal hurricane season is likely this year. The outlook calls for a 50% chance of a below-normal season, a 40% chance of a near-normal season, and only a 10% chance of an above-normal season. See NOAA definitions of above-, near-, and below-normal seasons. The Atlantic hurricane region includes the North Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, and Gulf of Mexico.

A below normal hurricane season is evidence of climate change; so is an above normal one.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but this is incorrect.

First thing: There is no such thing as a "normal" season. The word normal gets used a lot in weather, when people actually mean "average."

 

[cstu]

If you guys love glaciers so much, go live on one.

This is something we agree on. A warmer Earth to me is not the nightmare people are painting is as. Humans are adaptable and we'll adapt to higher ocean levels and whatever more extreme weather comes with it.

People also ignore all the possible benefits from global warming and only focus on the negatives.