I guess it all depends on how you think the Cowboys do compared to last year...same with the Titans.And it was "one of the best" offenses because they had 2 RBs carrying the ball. To think Felix won't play a large role is probably not realistic.On the other hand, the Titans were terrible last season, and one player isn't going to change that. If they don't sustain drives, etc. there won't be a ton of plays for Chris Johnson.Because Felix Jones is going to an offense that is one of the best in the league. CJ is going to an offense that was absolutely terrible last season.Keep seeing this "thinking" tossed about re: Mendenhall, Stewart, and CJ - "first round picks are drafted to play"... by the SAME GUYS saying Felix Jones is "second string"And don't say it's because Barber is so much better... at least White has a 1k rushing season under his belt... Barber doesn'tYea, because the Tennessee offense was so potent last year, they decided to go draft a player in the first round that will be second-string.
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The Chris Johnson Hype machine (3 Viewers)
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Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Some bitter Lendale White owners in this thread.
For sure. Lendale's a drive sustainer compared to VY maybe.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
:( I own both LW and CJ, so personally I don't care who gets a bigger share of the offense. Worst case scenario for me is a 50-50 split, but if it happens, so be it.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Not really just a bunch over hyped CJ owners, don't forget this kid has yet to carry a ball in a NFL regular season game. I wait to pass judgement on him until he has seen 8 defense starters in the box. Not pre-season,where if a starter has a hang nail they sit on the sidelines.CJ has as much hype as Travis Henry did last year, and we all know how that turned out.Disclaimer I own CJ not White, but I have enough sense to temper what goes on in pre-season vs regular season
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
AD had alot of preseason hype, and we all know how he turned out.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Sell White while he still has some value, thank me later.I own both LW and CJ, so personally I don't care who gets a bigger share of the offense. Worst case scenario for me is a 50-50 split, but if it happens, so be it.
Todem
Footballguy
200 carries easy....easy. They drafted him to be their play maker and they will end up revovling their offense around him. He is hands down their best offensive player. It was pretty obvious from pre-season. He will be everywhere.
Todem
Footballguy
Serves then right. The guy is a ordinary back and not true starter material. He is on the way out sooner than later.
Todem
Footballguy
Thank you....those who have an eye for talent...are seeing what this kid brings to the table. Big time player here folks.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I want exactly saying Chris Johnson is near as good as AD, just pointing out how bad the comparison of CJ to Henry was.
Todem
Footballguy
I think the kid over the course of his career will be a big time player in this league. I pushed a lot of chips in on ADP last year and this year in many drafts I did the same with CJ3. (Dynasty leagues of course).
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Wow.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
AD>>>CJ>>>>White
Gopher State
Footballguy
for every A.P's you can list five hyped RB's when they were rookies that flopped: JJ Arrington's
Jerious Norwood's
Deshaun Fosters's
Chris Henry TENN
Cedric Benson
Chris Perry
I can list more flops then I can A.P. type stories
This kid is not the real deal unit he proves it on the field
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I don't disagree that CJ may be a better all-around NFL player than LenDale White. His certainly more versatile. He really isn't a threat to take LenDale's role, though. He isn't going to see too many of the 300+ carries/year between the tackles that Fisher's team have racked up every year for he last fourteen years in a row. They will get him involved, certainly, but will not change the entire offensive identity of their team to accomodate him. This is a smash mouth football team, and Johnson won't change that in any way.Oh yeah, and AD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CJ>White
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Gee, ya think? How's that for anticipation.This is the kind of visionary analysis that helps to make the shark pool the best fantasy football discussion on the internet.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Coming from the guy who hyped ADP more than anybody on the boards last summer, I'd say it's more like:AD>>>CJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BakeSale
Chris Johnson may not be Adrian Peterson, but they have a lot in common . . . starting with the ability to tilt the playing field.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Not in non-PPR fantasy terms. Not even close.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
We shall see. . . .But be ready for the bump in a couple of months.
Banger
Footballguy
All the number crunching over the %'s that Fisher quoted are a waste of time IMO. All I need to know is that they plan on getting the ball into CJ's hands and what he does with it will determine the %'s from there on out. If he's great (doesn't turn the ball over, can block, stay healthy, runs wells), he takes over the lionshare of the role, if he's average and gets caught behind the line a bit or for short gains and breaks one every once in a while (ala Tatum Bell) White will probably get a good portion of the 1st/2nd down carries.
At the end of the day, Fisher is going to put the ball in the hands of the player that's most likely going to help him win the game. In 365 career carries White has only had 5 20+ yard run (no 30+ yard runs) so the role of a guy that can break a run is sorely needed. Opportunity is half the battle and what CJ does with that opportunity will determine White's role. It all depends on him because White is a known commodity and he's not changing, he is what he is. That's why I never liked White as a RB because he's very replaceable (and I own both guys).
At the end of the day, Fisher is going to put the ball in the hands of the player that's most likely going to help him win the game. In 365 career carries White has only had 5 20+ yard run (no 30+ yard runs) so the role of a guy that can break a run is sorely needed. Opportunity is half the battle and what CJ does with that opportunity will determine White's role. It all depends on him because White is a known commodity and he's not changing, he is what he is. That's why I never liked White as a RB because he's very replaceable (and I own both guys).
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Banger knows things.
corpcow
Footballguy
I haven't really chimed in here on these 18 pages, but I've been very high on CJ and have targeted him in every dynasty I can get my hands on (and even many redrafts where he's a late round value).
Obviously, he has tremendous speed - that goes without saying. The reason I'm more excited about him is that he is not a guy that dominated in college solely because of that speed, nor does he "rely" on speed too much. He has great acceleration, balance and vision. His spin move is sick. I don't see him as a guy who runs a 4.2 and shies away from contact and just tries to get to the corner... a lot of his big runs come in traffic where he is shifty and just breaks out from there.
I think it's clear there will be plenty of running opportunities in TEN this year... While this might hurt LenDale's carry numbers, I think it will make him more productive by really opening things up, especially when they're both on the field together. Remember, LenDale's best days were when he lined up in the same backfield as another dynamic playmaker at USC.... Add VY to the mix, and they could very well run the ball 500-600 times this year. Having all three on the field at the same time will either open things up for LenDale's inside running or leave CJ with a chance to break yet another long TD.
I think CJ's presence will help this offense a lot, especially with the addition of a guy like Crumpler who can get open when Vince is on the move and make them key on the pass too.
Obviously, he has tremendous speed - that goes without saying. The reason I'm more excited about him is that he is not a guy that dominated in college solely because of that speed, nor does he "rely" on speed too much. He has great acceleration, balance and vision. His spin move is sick. I don't see him as a guy who runs a 4.2 and shies away from contact and just tries to get to the corner... a lot of his big runs come in traffic where he is shifty and just breaks out from there.
I think it's clear there will be plenty of running opportunities in TEN this year... While this might hurt LenDale's carry numbers, I think it will make him more productive by really opening things up, especially when they're both on the field together. Remember, LenDale's best days were when he lined up in the same backfield as another dynamic playmaker at USC.... Add VY to the mix, and they could very well run the ball 500-600 times this year. Having all three on the field at the same time will either open things up for LenDale's inside running or leave CJ with a chance to break yet another long TD.
I think CJ's presence will help this offense a lot, especially with the addition of a guy like Crumpler who can get open when Vince is on the move and make them key on the pass too.
Even still, sarcasm aside, this thread has been the most entertaining I've ever had the privaledge to read here. Somewhere in all these pages there is actually some valuable information to be had.I've drafted CJ several times this year and each time I was glad I did. My expectations are tempered with realism though. I'm sure he will provide value this year. I'm just not sure how much, as that will depend on how well he fares as the season progresses vs. how well (or poor) White and the rest of the offense performs.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
So there is no point projecting LW or CJ's stats, because things could change? Let's just shut down the SP.
Banger
Footballguy
No. There's still unpredictability over what CJ will do once he gets the ball in his hands. If you think he'll do well, you don't grab White. If you think he's an overhyped Chris Henry you buy White. I truly don't have a good opinion on how he'll do but I do like the vibe coming from camp and what seems to be a consistently expanding role. CJ will determine the split not White. White is the insurance policy.At the end of the day though it's about upside though and 280 carries @ 3.7 ypc for 1000 yards and 6 tds might be ok for a bye week fill in but nothing more.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
"It's about upside though. . ."
Banger is on a roll. Nicely said.I don't understand why so many people are diehards about a guy who could be their RB2/RB3 if everything breaks well, and if he gets his projected 270 carries and 1050 yards, he'll allow you to keep up with the 8th place guy in your league on a weekly basis. And by no means do I think he'll get his 270 carries and 1,050 yards once Chris Johnson announces his presence with authority.What's so fun about playing for 8th place?
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
White certainly doesn't have elite fantasy RB1 potential (2K yards) but you are underestimating his upside. I believe that Chris Johnson does improve the Titans' offense, and VY can't get any worse. White can get 300/1200 and 20/150 with double digit TDs this year, with Johnson getting 100 - 150 carries and 50 catches. Johnson and White each make the other guy better here. PPR slants things more in CJs favor, of course, but likely just enough to draw even with White. White really wasn't that bad last year. He wasn't great, but he was banged up all year, and still had a pretty solid year despite constantly facing eight in the box. He certainly didn't totally suck.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
So you think his rushing yards, receptions, receiving yards and TD's will go up with CJ there?
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
The Titans' offense will be better as a whole. White should be healthier. CJ is no threat to take his role. Yeah, his stats could easily improve a bit. 
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
You figure CJ can come up with ninetuplets?
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Anyone want to sum up this 18 page monstrosity for a guy?
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
CJIII is the real deal!!!!
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Sure. Despite the fact that Chris Johnson has been outed as an actual superhero, it's still debatable whether or not he will be a fantasy success in the NFL.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
No better than a RB3 this year splitting carries with White unless of course there is an injury...
msommer
Footballguy
I think he was undrafted and sat a year but point taken
Hmmm, 11 pounds lighter and an inch taller seems like a big difference to me.
He is much slighter than Faulk.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Does obesity count as an injury?el-gato-grande said:
and there is the gist of the great 08 BMI debate, does CJ's atleticism overcome his lower tier BMI? Great fun here and the thread has been reasonably recapped in the lastfew threads for those that did not join at the premier and are not inclined to read all of these pages.Hmmm, 11 pounds lighter and an inch taller seems like a big difference to me.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
The bulk of Johnson’s carries came up the middle and it was encouraging for Titans fans to watch him carry so often in sequence as he tries to prove he can shoulder the load.
Jeff Fisher offered his encouragement, “I thought he did a nice job in the backfield. He bounced out, made plays, accelerated, protected the football and took some hits. I thought he had a pretty decent ballgame.”
Jeff Fisher offered his encouragement, “I thought he did a nice job in the backfield. He bounced out, made plays, accelerated, protected the football and took some hits. I thought he had a pretty decent ballgame.”
From Joe's email today -
TEN - Titans Planning Running Back By Committee
Source: Jim Wyatt, Nashville Tennessean
Tennessee Titans head coach Jeff Fisher said on Tuesday that he envisions a 50/50 or 60/40 split in the distribution of rushing attempts between running back LenDale White and running back Chris Johnson. "We're going to use them both depending on the game plans and it makes sense to take advantage of both of their abilities," Fisher said. "I think we'll have a better gauge once we get to the middle part of the season how the carries and the touches are going to work. Provided they're healthy week in and week out I would assume it would be close to 50-50, maybe 60-40."
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Jeff Fisher isn't a guy that blows smoke. We don't have any reason to doubt what he's saying here. And I'm not sure it might not even be heavier on Chris Johnson once he gets a feel for the game at this level. The kid's got a burst that is special.
I agree.
TEN - Titans Planning Running Back By Committee
Source: Jim Wyatt, Nashville Tennessean
Tennessee Titans head coach Jeff Fisher said on Tuesday that he envisions a 50/50 or 60/40 split in the distribution of rushing attempts between running back LenDale White and running back Chris Johnson. "We're going to use them both depending on the game plans and it makes sense to take advantage of both of their abilities," Fisher said. "I think we'll have a better gauge once we get to the middle part of the season how the carries and the touches are going to work. Provided they're healthy week in and week out I would assume it would be close to 50-50, maybe 60-40."
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Jeff Fisher isn't a guy that blows smoke. We don't have any reason to doubt what he's saying here. And I'm not sure it might not even be heavier on Chris Johnson once he gets a feel for the game at this level. The kid's got a burst that is special.
I agree.
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Burning Sensation said:So you think his rushing yards, receptions, receiving yards and TD's will go up with CJ there?Coeur de Lion said:
One thing i am interested in seeing is how, in light of Fisher stating there will be a 50/50 or at most 60/40 split, they project out as such:24 LenDale White 250 rush for 958 --and-- 13 rec for 77 yds (263 total touches) (60% of touches)
34 Chris Johnson 135 rush for 555 --and-- 39 rec for 304 yds (174 Total Touches) (40% of touches)
Dodds has them on hte extreme end of what Fisher has implied. Personally, I'd be surprised if CJ didn't see a larger percentage of the rushing attempts than that. Not MUCH larger but I could see more of a 230/160 split. I avoided White in every league and scored CJ in two (so I'm obviously biased) but IMO White is no better than a below average RB2 or decent RB3 this year.
If CJ continues to post much better numbers I just don't see how they're going to keep him off the field in favor of the far less impressive White.
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
When you consider Dodds projections here, a couple of things jump out at me.1) The trio of White, Brown and Henry combined for 436 carries in 2007. I could see Henry being relagated to the inactive list most if not all Sunday sans any injury to White/Johnson. With that said - the overall point is the amount of carries being predicted for this duo seems low.Burning Sensation said:So you think his rushing yards, receptions, receiving yards and TD's will go up with CJ there?Coeur de Lion said:
One thing i am interested in seeing is how, in light of Fisher stating there will be a 50/50 or at most 60/40 split, they project out as such:
24 LenDale White 250 rush for 958 --and-- 13 rec for 77 yds (263 total touches) (60% of touches)
34 Chris Johnson 135 rush for 555 --and-- 39 rec for 304 yds (174 Total Touches) (40% of touches)
Dodds has them on hte extreme end of what Fisher has implied. Personally, I'd be surprised if CJ didn't see a larger percentage of the rushing attempts than that. Not MUCH larger but I could see more of a 230/160 split. I avoided White in every league and scored CJ in two (so I'm obviously biased) but IMO White is no better than a below average RB2 or decent RB3 this year.
If CJ continues to post much better numbers I just don't see how they're going to keep him off the field in favor of the far less impressive White.
2) Appears that the YPC for Johnson is in the 4.1 area. That also appears low given a) the home run ability Johnson possesses and b) the low number of carries being projected. For arguments sake, let's say during the course of the season, Johnson simply breaks off one 55 yard run. That means the rest of his carries are generating a 3.7 YPC average. Johnson's big attribute is the home run threat so perhaps 1 big run like this is his ceiling. But he runs pretty hard and he also has a pretty good O-Line in front of him. I just think his YPC has to be boosted.
flufhed
Footballguy
It seems you just haven't followed the Titans, and are not well-versed in the ways of "Fisherball."Avery said:I don't see how asking a professional NFL coaching staff to adjust their offensive game plan to suite their most explosive player is "asking quite a bit". It's not like asking their players to go put on skates and play hockey. It's still football and decent coaches can adjust their game plan to suite their players.As to the second bolded part, I disagree as I think White's role, and future, is limited by his skill set, or lack there of.Coeur de Lion said:This isn't about who is a better NFL player between LenDale and Johnson. I think that Johnson will be an impact player, too, in the NFL. He'll provide big plays running, receiving, and in the return game and help the Titans win games.The real issue for fantasy purposes, though, is whether Johnson has the skill set to fill the Eddie George role of pounding between the tackles in the Titans' game plan. The answer to that is pretty far from the emphatic "yes" that you seemo be assuming. Expecting the Titans to move away from their downhill running game in order to accomodate the type of run game that will play to Johnson's strengths (more draw based, more outside, more designed to get him in the open field) is asking quite a bit; that is what would need to happen for this to be anything more that a 2 : 1 split favoring White.big0mar said:Yea, because the Tennessee offense was so potent last year, they decided to go draft a player in the first round that will be second-string.Coeur de Lion said:
Johnson wil have PPR value, but White has more value in standard leagues, redraft and dynasty.
