EBF
Footballguy
Less carries. More catches. Similar overall number of touches (during the Wheatley RBBC years).And Garner?
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Football Jones
Footballguy
What's so impressive is he's already been given a pretty big load in every game. Just guessing (without looking), but he's got to be fairly close to 20 touches a game. And no doubt he'll be thrown to more as the season wears on. They'll definitely get him more involved in that area. Fisher is too smart not to take advantage of CJ's receiving ability.
Even at 20 touches, that's enough to do an awful lot of damage with as much talent as he has. And he'll average even more touches per game as time goes on. I don't believe a lot of people thought CJ would get as many touches as he has. It really bodes well for the kid, especailly as they put the puzzle pieces around him.
Even at 20 touches, that's enough to do an awful lot of damage with as much talent as he has. And he'll average even more touches per game as time goes on. I don't believe a lot of people thought CJ would get as many touches as he has. It really bodes well for the kid, especailly as they put the puzzle pieces around him.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'll grant you the comparison to Dunn upon further review. But I stand by my point about Garner. Garner was an exceptional receiving back in his best years. I don't see Johnson being a similar comparison at this point given how small of a role he currently has in the Titans' passing game.
EBF
Footballguy
Therein lies the rub though. Is he the type of back that a team will feel comfortable relying on as a workhorse or is he the type of back who will always require a partner in crime to take some of the workload? If you're a Chris Johnson true believer, then you probably see him as Westbrook or Tiki. If you're a skeptic then you probably see him as Warrick Dunn or Charlie Garner (or worse). I'm in the latter camp. At 5'11" and 197, he simply isn't equipped to shoulder the load. So I think what you see is what you're going to get. I agree that he'll probably get more looks in the passing game, but I also think his YPC will dip over the course of the year.
EBF
Footballguy
My point was that all three are smaller RBBC backs who make their FF living with yards rather than TDs. These guys rarely join the elite FF ranks because they don't get the cheap goal line scores of a do-it-all back like Portis or Alexander.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Whether CJ is 197 or closer to 205 (which is what I believe he is now), he's got much more natural ability than Dunn or Garner. Not even close, IMO. Anyway, CJ is absolutely big enough for his style of play. And like I said, already getting 20 touches a game is probably what impresses me the most (other than the obvious talent he's shown). Let's agree to disagree.
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packersfan
Footballguy
And my point is I disagree that Charlie Garner makes for a good comparison for Johnson. Garner finished Top 10 in RB scoring three times in his career due primarily to the fact he was an exceptional receiver out of the backfield, catching more than 55 passes in a season four straight seasons (including one season with 91 receptions). To this point, there is nothing to suggest Johnson will have a similar impact in the Titans' passing game.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Take it easy now.Football Jones said:
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bentley
Footballguy
I'm not sure what you're saying. Warrick Dunn and Chris Johnson had equal success and hype coming out of college. Clearly, you've missed out on the bandwagon.
His low catch numbers in ATL can be blamed on Michael Vick. Scramblers typically throw fewer passes to their RBs than pocket passers Michael Vick was the most scrambling oriented QB in modern NFL history. Dunn was a superb receiver in the Tampa Bay years.All that aside, I think Portis, Garner and Dunn are all good comparatives for Johnson simply because of size/BMI. Johnson caught over 120 balls in college, so he may have the receiving ability to put up big numbers in PPR if his usage pattern(dependent on a combination of offensive scheme and QB tendencies) allows it.EBF said:
Wally Cleaver
Footballguy
Pretty shocked by all the sky is falling posts after today's game, its not like he put up 27 yards on 15 carries... Both White and Johnson had 16 carries and once again Johnson did much more with those carries.... close to 5 yards per carry (other than the touchdowns...) There will be games when he gets the bulk of the carries down the road, when the games are deciding who gets into the playoffs the titans will use the more productive back more frequently... which is Johnson...
I dont think anyone drafted Johnson expecting that they could plug him into their starting lineup week 1 so in that respect he is easily exceeding expectations, except of course some of the ones in this thread...
I dont think anyone drafted Johnson expecting that they could plug him into their starting lineup week 1 so in that respect he is easily exceeding expectations, except of course some of the ones in this thread...
Football Jones
Footballguy
Well, you gotta make calls in this hobby, & all I can say is I'm super-high on the kid. Also, while Dunn has had a decent career, he just didn't have as much upside coming out (compared to CJ). If CJ was as light as Dunn, then yeah, I'd be concerned.As far as sharing...if 20 touches a game is sharing, I guess so.Dunn was a top 15 pick and is among the top 25 backs in league history in career rushing yards. I think it's a stretch to say CJ has much more natural ability.Football Jones said:
Yes, big enough to share the load.
CJ is on pace for way more touches than Reggie Bush has had in each of his first 2 years in the league. It's also way more than Westbrook had in each of his first 4 years in the league, & about the same number he had in '06 (his 5th season). CJ has 57 touches in 3 games. I don't see that number going down (but he'll obviously have some games where he doesn't get that many). Again, that's what has impressed me the most (the number of touches). And he's likely to get even more touches in the future (as he matures as a player).CJ is going to be a bonafide FF stud (PPR) in the very near future, IMO (probably as soon as '09).
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Bottom line this is a full blown committee. Fisher is going to use Lendale White to wear defenses down regardless of whether or not his YPC is as pretty as Johnson's. The hype was totally out of control. Johnson is a major talent but Lendale is not going to just disappear.
FUBAR
Footballguy
at the critics here. The only thing CJ3 lacked yesterday was a big play. His longest run was 14 yards.I don't count on him to score TDs, although those would be a bonus, his big plays are what make him an exceptional RB, and we have to face it, he won't have a huge play every week. He only had a handful of carries under 5 yards until the Titans were obviously trying to run the clock out - that means more to Fisher than the big plays.
Sure this is RBBC and White will score the TDs. So that dampers CJ3's production, but he's still the guy who will put up the yardage.
When he gets more involved in the passing game, and he will, watch out.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
1. Regarding the catches, I agree I though we'd see a bit more but he does have 7 through 3 games. Bear in mind, and dont quote me on this but I think its correct, the Titans have not trailed for a single minute this year. There will be games where they will have to play a little catchup, so maybe its possible he is the RB of choice (and will catch a few more balls) in those situations.
2. This is just blind optimism, but maybe they have some things in store for CJ3 that they havent had to show yet.. ie they have been able to just line up, run the ball down teams throats on the way to 3 victories. Maybe the creativity (ie screens, split out wide) will come.
3. Minnesota is certainly a tough matchup on paper. But its not like Lendale is going to move the chains against those defensive tackles, so CJ3 may wind up with a bigger chunk of the RB pie this week.
Again, these are blindly optimistic thoughts, but I thought id counter the Sunday negativity in this thread. The guy leads all AFC RBs in rushings yards as well as total yards from scrimmage.
Granted there are more beasts in the NFC at this point.
2. This is just blind optimism, but maybe they have some things in store for CJ3 that they havent had to show yet.. ie they have been able to just line up, run the ball down teams throats on the way to 3 victories. Maybe the creativity (ie screens, split out wide) will come.
3. Minnesota is certainly a tough matchup on paper. But its not like Lendale is going to move the chains against those defensive tackles, so CJ3 may wind up with a bigger chunk of the RB pie this week.
Again, these are blindly optimistic thoughts, but I thought id counter the Sunday negativity in this thread. The guy leads all AFC RBs in rushings yards as well as total yards from scrimmage.
Granted there are more beasts in the NFC at this point.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He scored more than Adrian Peterson this week. 
packersfan
Footballguy
But less than LeRon McClain.He scored more than Adrian Peterson this week.
Kuz
Footballguy
1. Regarding the catches, I agree I though we'd see a bit more but he does have 7 through 3 games. Bear in mind, and dont quote me on this but I think its correct, the Titans have not trailed for a single minute this year. There will be games where they will have to play a little catchup, so maybe its possible he is the RB of choice (and will catch a few more balls) in those situations.2. This is just blind optimism, but maybe they have some things in store for CJ3 that they havent had to show yet.. ie they have been able to just line up, run the ball down teams throats on the way to 3 victories. Maybe the creativity (ie screens, split out wide) will come.3. Minnesota is certainly a tough matchup on paper. But its not like Lendale is going to move the chains against those defensive tackles, so CJ3 may wind up with a bigger chunk of the RB pie this week.Again, these are blindly optimistic thoughts, but I thought id counter the Sunday negativity in this thread. The guy leads all AFC RBs in rushings yards as well as total yards from scrimmage.Granted there are more beasts in the NFC at this point.
The bottom line for where people drafted Chris Johnson.. He's been worth it. He should be a decent #2 but unless Lendale White gets hurt he won't probably score enough TD's to make him better than that..1. Regarding the catches, I agree I though we'd see a bit more but he does have 7 through 3 games. Bear in mind, and dont quote me on this but I think its correct, the Titans have not trailed for a single minute this year. There will be games where they will have to play a little catchup, so maybe its possible he is the RB of choice (and will catch a few more balls) in those situations.2. This is just blind optimism, but maybe they have some things in store for CJ3 that they havent had to show yet.. ie they have been able to just line up, run the ball down teams throats on the way to 3 victories. Maybe the creativity (ie screens, split out wide) will come.3. Minnesota is certainly a tough matchup on paper. But its not like Lendale is going to move the chains against those defensive tackles, so CJ3 may wind up with a bigger chunk of the RB pie this week.Again, these are blindly optimistic thoughts, but I thought id counter the Sunday negativity in this thread. The guy leads all AFC RBs in rushings yards as well as total yards from scrimmage.
Especially on the games. They were trailing briefly against the Jags until the second quarter (I think), but the last two games haven't needed him to catch the ball. We haven't seen a catch up type game like Westbrook or Bush have many times where in the 4th quarter they get 5 catches at the end of the game when they are losing.I also think that Minny (and Baltimore next week, maybe) is they type of game that may be better for CJ than LenDale. Who knows, but so far I have been happy with CJ in my flex spot seeing as how Brady is toast and with Colston, Burleson and Galloway, my WRs are so thin I can barely find a WR that plays.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
So I'm assuming that Mendenhall will be a guy who gets a few carries a game and J.Stewart will be a less-than dynamic committee back for his career?Please don't judge by what we're seeing right now. CJ is a rookie, he just played his third game. Not many rooks get the backfield to themselves at that point. Not even the great BMI leaders.EBF said:ennyGreen:
Chris Johnson is who I thought he was!
He's exactly as advertised: a dynamic committee back with the speed to make game changing plays.
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Banger
Footballguy
As others have mentioned the Titans haven't been behind and Fishers job is to win the game. When the Titans are up 24-12, Johnson isn't going to get a lot of receptions/carries. They are going to save him for when it matters...sucks as a CJ owner but that's the way it is. When they are behind or need plays to be made, he will get the ball early and often.
Football Jones
Footballguy
The thing is, tho, CJ is getting 20 touches a game. He's RB13 in my PPR leagues right behind Peterson. He's on pace for about 320 touches. I'm fine with LenDale getting touches, LOL. CJ is going to get enough touches to have big-time production. I don't see how his owners could ask for more.
When you consider he'll be worked into the offense even more as time goes on, you can see what kind of upside he has. He's already getting 20 touches a game. That's sick.
When you consider he'll be worked into the offense even more as time goes on, you can see what kind of upside he has. He's already getting 20 touches a game. That's sick.
EBF
Footballguy
I see your point. Like I said, the big question that will ultimately determine how high his value goes is whether what we're seeing is his upside or just the beginning. If you're in the camp that believes he'll eventually be an unquestioned workhorse then I can see why you think it's premature to say he's just a RBBC guy. However, as I've stated many times, I'm in the camp that thinks his playing style and body type demand a RBBC situation (like Dunn). I don't see that limitation with Mendenhall and Stewart because they each have the 220+ pound frame to handle full time duty.So I'm assuming that Mendenhall will be a guy who gets a few carries a game and J.Stewart will be a less-than dynamic committee back for his career?Please don't judge by what we're seeing right now. CJ is a rookie, he just played his third game. Not many rooks get the backfield to themselves at that point. Not even the great BMI leaders.EBF said:
Chris Johnson is who I thought he was!
He's exactly as advertised: a dynamic committee back with the speed to make game changing plays.
Da Man
Footballguy
Below are RB targets through 3 games:
Player TM Wk1 Wk2 Wk3 Targ T/TmG T/G REC YD Y/R TD Rec%
Reggie Bush NO 9 9 14 32 10.7 10.7 26 250 9.6 2 81.3
Steven Jackson STL 7 7 5 19 6.3 6.3 15 133 8.9 0 79.0
Matt Forte CHI 3 3 10 16 5.3 5.3 13 105 8.1 1 81.3
Frank Gore SF 4 5 4 13 4.3 4.3 13 125 9.6 0 100.0
Julius Jones SEA 4 7 2 13 4.3 4.3 6 35 5.8 0 46.1
Marion Barber III DAL 4 5 4 13 4.3 4.3 10 87 8.7 1 76.9
Maurice Jones-Drew JAX 4 3 5 12 4.0 4.0 11 121 11.0 0 91.7
Marshawn Lynch BUF 5 1 6 12 4.0 4.0 8 57 7.1 0 66.7
Chester Taylor MIN 3 2 6 11 3.7 3.7 7 41 5.9 0 63.6
Chris Johnson TEN 4 3 4 11 3.7 3.7 7 51 7.3 1 63.6
Tim Hightower ARI 4 1 6 11 3.7 3.7 7 79 11.3 0 63.6
Bush has total 32 targets, S Jax 19, Forte 16, Gore, J. Jones, Barber 13, MJD and Lynch 12
C Johnson, C Taylor and Hightower 11.
Johnson is getting targets. Is anyone actually watching him play or just looking at box scores?
There was a middle screen and Collins threw it just out of his reach. I think he would have walzed in for a TD from 25 yards out or so.
Player TM Wk1 Wk2 Wk3 Targ T/TmG T/G REC YD Y/R TD Rec%
Reggie Bush NO 9 9 14 32 10.7 10.7 26 250 9.6 2 81.3
Steven Jackson STL 7 7 5 19 6.3 6.3 15 133 8.9 0 79.0
Matt Forte CHI 3 3 10 16 5.3 5.3 13 105 8.1 1 81.3
Frank Gore SF 4 5 4 13 4.3 4.3 13 125 9.6 0 100.0
Julius Jones SEA 4 7 2 13 4.3 4.3 6 35 5.8 0 46.1
Marion Barber III DAL 4 5 4 13 4.3 4.3 10 87 8.7 1 76.9
Maurice Jones-Drew JAX 4 3 5 12 4.0 4.0 11 121 11.0 0 91.7
Marshawn Lynch BUF 5 1 6 12 4.0 4.0 8 57 7.1 0 66.7
Chester Taylor MIN 3 2 6 11 3.7 3.7 7 41 5.9 0 63.6
Chris Johnson TEN 4 3 4 11 3.7 3.7 7 51 7.3 1 63.6
Tim Hightower ARI 4 1 6 11 3.7 3.7 7 79 11.3 0 63.6
Bush has total 32 targets, S Jax 19, Forte 16, Gore, J. Jones, Barber 13, MJD and Lynch 12
C Johnson, C Taylor and Hightower 11.
Johnson is getting targets. Is anyone actually watching him play or just looking at box scores?
There was a middle screen and Collins threw it just out of his reach. I think he would have walzed in for a TD from 25 yards out or so.
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Me neither. I have both White and Johnson and I've started the wrong one each week. It's time to get off this hype train. It seems like he either gets stuff when he runs (which happened quite a few times against a crappy Houston and crappy Bengal defense) or he breaks a long one. There is no in between. If you look at the Bengal game, without him busting out on that 51 yard run, he pretty much got stuffed all day long.(8:03) 28-C.Johnson right guard to HOU 11 for no gain (98-A.Weaver)
(1:20) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to HOU 28 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps).
08) 28-C.Johnson left end to HOU 9 for 8 yards (56-M.Greenwood).(2:08) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 22 for 14 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:29) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 35 for 5 yards (94-N.Kalu, 51-C.Thompson).
(1:04) (Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to TEN 40 for 5 yards (51-C.Thompson).
(13:10) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 48 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps, 90-M.Williams).
(11:46) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to 50 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 54-Z.Diles).
(7:19) 28-C.Johnson left end pushed ob at HOU 26 for 2 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:49) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for 14 yards (56-M.Greenwood).
(1:08) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for no gain (90-M.Williams, 66-Deljuan.Robinson).
(4:20) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 26 for 2 yards (59-D.Ryans).
(3:37) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 27 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 92-J.Zgonina).
(3:31) 28-C.Johnson right end to TEN 27 for no gain (59-D.Ryans).
So as you can see, aside from a couple of 14 yards runs, he was pretty much stuffed throughout the game, especially the 2nd half.
I agree with others in that he just doesn't have the frame to be a non-change of pace style back in the NFL. The Warrick Dunn comparisons are warranted.
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Banger
Footballguy
there were 40 mph winds in that game and Cincy was stacking the box bigtime with no threat of a pass. I'm not sure what exactly that is supposed to evidence anyway...on the carries you provided his yards per carry was still 4.14 without the 51 yarder.Also, look at what Cincy did vs. the Giants yesterday.....they held Jacobs to 35 yards on 14 carries so maybe their run D has improved...I wouldn't hold the ability to bust off 50 yarders against him...I look at the situation more along the lines of you can contain him for a while but when he does eventurally get that crease he'll make you pay.Me neither. I have both White and Johnson and I've started the wrong one each week. It's time to get off this hype train. It seems like he either gets stuff when he runs (which happened quite a few times against a crappy Houston and crappy Bengal defense) or he breaks a long one. There is no in between. If you look at the Bengal game, without him busting out on that 51 yard run, he pretty much got stuffed all day long.(8:03) 28-C.Johnson right guard to HOU 11 for no gain (98-A.Weaver)
(1:20) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to HOU 28 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps).
(2:08) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 22 for 14 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:29) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 35 for 5 yards (94-N.Kalu, 51-C.Thompson).
(1:04) (Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to TEN 40 for 5 yards (51-C.Thompson).
(13:10) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 48 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps, 90-M.Williams).
(11:46) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to 50 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 54-Z.Diles).
(7:19) 28-C.Johnson left end pushed ob at HOU 26 for 2 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:49) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for 14 yards (56-M.Greenwood).
(1:08) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for no gain (90-M.Williams, 66-Deljuan.Robinson).
(4:20) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 26 for 2 yards (59-D.Ryans).
(3:37) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 27 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 92-J.Zgonina).
(3:31) 28-C.Johnson right end to TEN 27 for no gain (59-D.Ryans).
So as you can see, aside from a couple of 14 yards runs, he was pretty much stuffed throughout the game, especially the 2nd half.
I agree with others in that he just doesn't have the frame to be a non-change of pace style back in the NFL. The Warrick Dunn comparisons are warranted.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Shh...I said this from the start and was getting blasted for it.
That game log is from the Houston game. I haven't looked at the Cincy game log, but just watching the game, I have a feeling it will be similar.there were 40 mph winds in that game and Cincy was stacking the box bigtime with no threat of a pass. I'm not sure what exactly that is supposed to evidence anyway...on the carries you provided his yards per carry was still 4.14 without the 51 yarder.Also, look at what Cincy did vs. the Giants yesterday.....they held Jacobs to 35 yards on 14 carries so maybe their run D has improved...I wouldn't hold the ability to bust off 50 yarders against him...I look at the situation more along the lines of you can contain him for a while but when he does eventurally get that crease he'll make you pay.Me neither. I have both White and Johnson and I've started the wrong one each week. It's time to get off this hype train. It seems like he either gets stuff when he runs (which happened quite a few times against a crappy Houston and crappy Bengal defense) or he breaks a long one. There is no in between. If you look at the Bengal game, without him busting out on that 51 yard run, he pretty much got stuffed all day long.(8:03) 28-C.Johnson right guard to HOU 11 for no gain (98-A.Weaver)
(1:20) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to HOU 28 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps).
(2:08) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 22 for 14 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:29) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 35 for 5 yards (94-N.Kalu, 51-C.Thompson).
(1:04) (Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to TEN 40 for 5 yards (51-C.Thompson).
(13:10) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 48 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps, 90-M.Williams).
(11:46) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to 50 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 54-Z.Diles).
(7:19) 28-C.Johnson left end pushed ob at HOU 26 for 2 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:49) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for 14 yards (56-M.Greenwood).
(1:08) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for no gain (90-M.Williams, 66-Deljuan.Robinson).
(4:20) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 26 for 2 yards (59-D.Ryans).
(3:37) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 27 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 92-J.Zgonina).
(3:31) 28-C.Johnson right end to TEN 27 for no gain (59-D.Ryans).
So as you can see, aside from a couple of 14 yards runs, he was pretty much stuffed throughout the game, especially the 2nd half.
I agree with others in that he just doesn't have the frame to be a non-change of pace style back in the NFL. The Warrick Dunn comparisons are warranted.
packersfan
Footballguy
So did I. I like Johnson a lot but I didn't understand why people thought White was going to disappear when he provides a power element to the ground game that the Titans love.
I think people are just disappointed that all that speed and talent hasn't translated into a long touchdown yet given that they've played 2 out of 3 sorry run defenses.Look at what Willie Parker did to the Texans in Week 1.
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packersfan
Footballguy
That's part of it. I'm also disappointed that he looked so ordinary against such a bad defense yesterday and that he's not much of a factor in the passing game. I assumed the Titans - given their lack of talent at WR - would try to get him the ball more in space. I definitely thought that would happen yesterday with Gage out. But it's not happening. I still like him a lot but it was disappointing to see him look so ordinary yesterday against a bad defense.
Yeah, if you look at my edit, I added the fact that the Texans defense was shredded, and I mean shredded, by FWP in Week 1.
millertyme1
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Archie Bunker
Footballguy
That's just about the dumbest thing you can say about a RB. "If you takeaway" this or that. If people did that with Barry Sanders, he would rank somewhere between Bobby Hunmphries and Edgar Bennett. If you're going to use stats, then use all the stats. Don't cherrypick to prove you're point. If anyone here actually watched the last couple of games, you can see the talent this guy has. A couple of times, he nearly broke a long one but got tripped up or ot stopped because of blown blocking on the OL. If he had broken one of those......Oh wait, caught myself.Me neither. I have both White and Johnson and I've started the wrong one each week. It's time to get off this hype train. It seems like he either gets stuff when he runs (which happened quite a few times against a crappy Houston and crappy Bengal defense) or he breaks a long one. There is no in between. If you look at the Bengal game, without him busting out on that 51 yard run, he pretty much got stuffed all day long.(8:03) 28-C.Johnson right guard to HOU 11 for no gain (98-A.Weaver)
(1:20) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to HOU 28 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps).
(2:08) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 22 for 14 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:29) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 35 for 5 yards (94-N.Kalu, 51-C.Thompson).
(1:04) (Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to TEN 40 for 5 yards (51-C.Thompson).
(13:10) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 48 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps, 90-M.Williams).
(11:46) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to 50 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 54-Z.Diles).
(7:19) 28-C.Johnson left end pushed ob at HOU 26 for 2 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:49) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for 14 yards (56-M.Greenwood).
(1:08) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for no gain (90-M.Williams, 66-Deljuan.Robinson).
(4:20) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 26 for 2 yards (59-D.Ryans).
(3:37) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 27 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 92-J.Zgonina).
(3:31) 28-C.Johnson right end to TEN 27 for no gain (59-D.Ryans).
So as you can see, aside from a couple of 14 yards runs, he was pretty much stuffed throughout the game, especially the 2nd half.
I agree with others in that he just doesn't have the frame to be a non-change of pace style back in the NFL. The Warrick Dunn comparisons are warranted.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Really. You omitted:Me neither. I have both White and Johnson and I've started the wrong one each week. It's time to get off this hype train. It seems like he either gets stuff when he runs (which happened quite a few times against a crappy Houston and crappy Bengal defense) or he breaks a long one. There is no in between. If you look at the Bengal game, without him busting out on that 51 yard run, he pretty much got stuffed all day long.(8:03) 28-C.Johnson right guard to HOU 11 for no gain (98-A.Weaver)
(1:20) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to HOU 28 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps).
(2:08) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 22 for 14 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:29) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 35 for 5 yards (94-N.Kalu, 51-C.Thompson).
(1:04) (Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to TEN 40 for 5 yards (51-C.Thompson).
(13:10) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 48 for 3 yards (47-W.Demps, 90-M.Williams).
(11:46) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to 50 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 54-Z.Diles).
(7:19) 28-C.Johnson left end pushed ob at HOU 26 for 2 yards (24-CC.Brown).
(1:49) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for 14 yards (56-M.Greenwood).
(1:08) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 30 for no gain (90-M.Williams, 66-Deljuan.Robinson).
(4:20) 28-C.Johnson left guard to TEN 26 for 2 yards (59-D.Ryans).
(3:37) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 27 for 1 yard (59-D.Ryans, 92-J.Zgonina).
(3:31) 28-C.Johnson right end to TEN 27 for no gain (59-D.Ryans).
So as you can see, aside from a couple of 14 yards runs, he was pretty much stuffed throughout the game, especially the 2nd half.
I agree with others in that he just doesn't have the frame to be a non-change of pace style back in the NFL. The Warrick Dunn comparisons are warranted.
(2:00) (Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to TEN 30 for 8 yards (59-D.Ryans, 56-M.Greenwood).
(3:38) (Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson up the middle to TEN 16 for 8 yards (94-N.Kalu, 59-D.Ryans). Penalty on TEN, Illegal Formation, declined.
But those two 8 yard runs wouldn't support your argument, so why bother with details?
Totals:
> 10 yard runs: 2
5-10 yards runs: 5
3-4 yard runs: 2
1-2 yard runs: 4
no gains: 3
3 of his runs of 0-2 yards came in Tennessee's last possession.
White fared no better as far as getting "stuffed", and as usual, finished with a lot less total yards. And he's supposed to be the power back, the guy who gets yardage each play.
Well, the first one was an accidental omission, yes. The 2nd one, I saw penalty on TEN and I assumed it didn't count.Again, evidence from his 0 and 1 yard runs in the 2nd half, he was running into a lot of brick walls.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Look who came out to play today. It's the Chris Johnson haters attempting to shovel dirt on his season because he was "held" to 25 more yards than LenDale White on the same amount of carries.
Keep coming in here and knocking Johnson without watching him play. Seriously, keep coming in here. For the last two weeks, the critics were as sparse as parked cars at 3AM in an open-all-night supermarket. Now he's held to 83 total yards on the same day that Adrian Peterson is held to 77 total yards, and we find out that Johnson was all hype all along.
At the desperation to crawl out of the woodwork in Week 3 to bang on a rookie playmaker who is leading the AFC in both rushing yards (at a gaudy 5.5 YPC) and total yards from scrimmage even though he hasn't even blown up yet. The best is yet to come, so, please, keep coming in here.
Keep coming in here and knocking Johnson without watching him play. Seriously, keep coming in here. For the last two weeks, the critics were as sparse as parked cars at 3AM in an open-all-night supermarket. Now he's held to 83 total yards on the same day that Adrian Peterson is held to 77 total yards, and we find out that Johnson was all hype all along.
At the desperation to crawl out of the woodwork in Week 3 to bang on a rookie playmaker who is leading the AFC in both rushing yards (at a gaudy 5.5 YPC) and total yards from scrimmage even though he hasn't even blown up yet. The best is yet to come, so, please, keep coming in here.
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treat88
Footballguy
Love it. Perfectly said.It's a matter of time for this kid to be widely considered amongst the elite talents in the NFL.Look who came out to play today. It's the Chris Johnson haters attempting to shovel dirt on his season because he was "held" to 25 more yards than LenDale White on the same amount of carries.
Keeping coming in here and knocking Johnson without watching him play. Seriously, keep coming in here. For the last two weeks, the critics were as sparse as parked cars at 3AM in an open-all-night supermarket. Now he's held to 83 total yards on the same day that Adrian Peterson is held to 77 total yards, and we find out that Johnson was all hype all along.
I haven't been a participant in this 32 page thread yet, but I have to laugh at the haters coming out!! OVERhyped maybe-- but you can't beat up on the guy for a day that 90% of the Rbs in the NFL would love to have with the # of touches he got.. Even the greatest RB's can get held from monster games by even bad defenses once in a while... He's not going to get 100 total yds or more for every game!!
Meanwhile, I've been starting SJAX- a stud talent- while this overhyped kid sits on my bench outscoring him..
Meanwhile, I've been starting SJAX- a stud talent- while this overhyped kid sits on my bench outscoring him..
FUBAR
Footballguy
Or, just possibly, the defense was keyed in on him, and he still netted a 5.5 ypc. Love it when this is considered a bad day for a rookie.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
I don't think it's the haters coming out, but the facts, White has 4 TD's CJ 1. It will continue to be a 50/50 split, as it makes teams to prepare for both backs. CJ will get the yards, White the TD's which is the better back, well in my league white has 37 points CJ 36. Neither of these guys are going to win you a FF trophy alone.CJ is a nice #3RB or flex, but the hype is overblown based on the facts.Look who came out to play today. It's the Chris Johnson haters attempting to shovel dirt on his season because he was "held" to 25 more yards than LenDale White on the same amount of carries.
Keeping coming in here and knocking Johnson without watching him play. Seriously, keep coming in here. For the last two weeks, the critics were as sparse as parked cars at 3AM in an open-all-night supermarket. Now he's held to 83 total yards on the same day that Adrian Peterson is held to 77 total yards, and we find out that Johnson was all hype all along.
At the desperation to crawl out of the woodwork in Week 3 to bang on a rookie playmaker who is leading the AFC in both rushing yards (at a gaudy 5.5 YPC) and total yards from scrimmage even though he hasn't even blown up yet. The best is yet to come, so, please, keep coming in here.
