The Colts endzone interception/touchback? (1 Viewer)

[parrot]

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it.

My daughter was talking about the play and I couldn't hear what the official said. What was the explanation for spotting the ball at the 20?

 

[trennr]

An whistle was blown...so the play was dead...touchback.

Good call...bad whistle.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it. My daughter was talking about the play and I couldn't hear what the official said. What was the explanation for spotting the ball at the 20?

The ball was whistled dead by one official. Since he picked it off in the endzone, it was placed at the 20. And FYI, I was at the game, I sit in the other endzone, I was drunk, I could hear the wistle blow several times. None of the Chargers players sans Neal and McNeil tried to tackle him becuase they heard the whistle too.

 

[parrot]

An whistle was blown...so the play was dead...touchback.Good call...bad whistle.

So basically just an "Our Bad"? It was really about the only thing they could do there I guess.

 

[mad sweeney]

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it. My daughter was talking about the play and I couldn't hear what the official said. What was the explanation for spotting the ball at the 20?

The ball was whistled dead by one official. Since he picked it off in the endzone, it was placed at the 20. And FYI, I was at the game, I sit in the other endzone, I was drunk, I could hear the wistle blow several times. None of the Chargers players sans Neal and McNeil tried to tackle him becuase they heard the whistle too.

My buddy was drunk up against the rail in the other end zone and said the same thing. He also said Turner should be fired for challenging it because even in his extremely inebriated state he could easily tell it was a pick and the ref screwed up.

 

[FantasyTrader]

An whistle was blown...so the play was dead...touchback.Good call...bad whistle.

So basically just an "Our Bad"? It was really about the only thing they could do there I guess.

No it wasn't the only thing they could do there. The other thing they could have done was keep the g.d. whistle in their pocket when they're not absolutly certain. If you let the play happen it can always be brought back if you're wrong. I wasn't at the game, but the volume on my TV was rock solid and I didn't hear any whistle until dude was at the Indy 10 yard line with two blockers flanking him.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it.

My daughter was talking about the play and I couldn't hear what the official said. What was the explanation for spotting the ball at the 20?

The ball was whistled dead by one official. Since he picked it off in the endzone, it was placed at the 20. And FYI, I was at the game, I sit in the other endzone, I was drunk, I could hear the wistle blow several times. None of the Chargers players sans Neal and McNeil tried to tackle him becuase they heard the whistle too.

You can see the replay here. Session picked up the ball and ran right by one Charger standing on about the three or four yard line, and several more at about the twenty yard line -- everyone was just standing there watching him because the whistle had blown. If people had been trying to tackle him, the play would have been a lot different.

 

[NOONAN]

I go back and forth with this. Yeah, keep the whistles in the pockets sounds good...until a dude gets blown up after a turnover and gets put on IR when the play should have been blown dead. That is the reason they blow the whistle.

Personally, I feel the play should run if it is a judgment call. As stated earlier, you can always reverse the call if needed, but you can't add action back after the whistle blows.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it.

My daughter was talking about the play and I couldn't hear what the official said. What was the explanation for spotting the ball at the 20?

The ball was whistled dead by one official. Since he picked it off in the endzone, it was placed at the 20. And FYI, I was at the game, I sit in the other endzone, I was drunk, I could hear the wistle blow several times. None of the Chargers players sans Neal and McNeil tried to tackle him becuase they heard the whistle too.

You can see the replay here. Session picked up the ball and ran right by one Charger standing on about the three or four yard line, and several more at about the twenty yard line -- everyone was just standing there watching him because the whistle had blown. If people had been trying to tackle him, the play would have been a lot different.

Can barely hear the whistles in this replay.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it.

My daughter was talking about the play and I couldn't hear what the official said. What was the explanation for spotting the ball at the 20?

The ball was whistled dead by one official. Since he picked it off in the endzone, it was placed at the 20. And FYI, I was at the game, I sit in the other endzone, I was drunk, I could hear the wistle blow several times. None of the Chargers players sans Neal and McNeil tried to tackle him becuase they heard the whistle too.

You can see the replay here. Session picked up the ball and ran right by one Charger standing on about the three or four yard line, and several more at about the twenty yard line -- everyone was just standing there watching him because the whistle had blown. If people had been trying to tackle him, the play would have been a lot different.

Can barely hear the whistles in this replay.

I could hear it loud and clear 150 yards away, not much else I can say. Only 2 chargers went for him anyway because they heard it as well. Could be the TV mics, who knows.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I go back and forth with this. Yeah, keep the whistles in the pockets sounds good...until a dude gets blown up after a turnover and gets put on IR when the play should have been blown dead. That is the reason they blow the whistle.Personally, I feel the play should run if it is a judgment call. As stated earlier, you can always reverse the call if needed, but you can't add action back after the whistle blows.

And that's the unfortunate thing. This wasn't even a judgement call. The official that blew the whistle in the endzone ruled it an INT but down by contact (when there wasn't a Charger within 5 yards of the play).

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I go back and forth with this. Yeah, keep the whistles in the pockets sounds good...until a dude gets blown up after a turnover and gets put on IR when the play should have been blown dead. That is the reason they blow the whistle.

Yes. The players keep hitting until the whistle, so a timely whistle is necessary.

Personally, I feel the play should run if it is a judgment call. As stated earlier, you can always reverse the call if needed, but you can't add action back after the whistle blows.

Agreed, and the refs have been better about this in recent years. Now when there's a fumble and it's questionable whether the runner was down first, they let things go until the ball is recovered . . . then they try to sort out whether he was down and let the coaches challenge the result of the play if they want.Last night's play was difficult because, while from one angle it was clearly an interception, from other angles it would have looked like the ball had hit the ground. It hit the player's leg while the player was on the ground several times before Session had picked it up. If you couldn't see the player's leg and just went by the amount of time that the ball had bounced around near the ground before it was picked up, you'd be reasonably certain that the ball had hit the ground, even though it hadn't.

Last night's play was just a really weird one. Stuff like that won't happen too often.

 

[parrot]

An whistle was blown...so the play was dead...touchback.Good call...bad whistle.

So basically just an "Our Bad"? It was really about the only thing they could do there I guess.

No it wasn't the only thing they could do there. The other thing they could have done was keep the g.d. whistle in their pocket when they're not absolutly certain. If you let the play happen it can always be brought back if you're wrong. I wasn't at the game, but the volume on my TV was rock solid and I didn't hear any whistle until dude was at the Indy 10 yard line with two blockers flanking him.

I don't think anyone questions whether the ref was wrong in blowing the whistle; I meant it was only thing they could do to try to rectify the situation once that happened. I could hear the whistles pretty clearly just as he was heading upfield.

 

[mad sweeney]

An whistle was blown...so the play was dead...touchback.Good call...bad whistle.

So basically just an "Our Bad"? It was really about the only thing they could do there I guess.

No it wasn't the only thing they could do there. The other thing they could have done was keep the g.d. whistle in their pocket when they're not absolutly certain. If you let the play happen it can always be brought back if you're wrong. I wasn't at the game, but the volume on my TV was rock solid and I didn't hear any whistle until dude was at the Indy 10 yard line with two blockers flanking him.

Well, I heard it plainly during the actual play and I remember thinking that it was a bad whistle. In fact Madden and Michaels were also talking about jhow this return won't count and the whistle having been blown before the guy even crossed the SD 20. Then when they replayed it you can clearly hear the whistle while he's still 3 yards deep in the end zone.And yes, the only thing they could've done here was give the ball to the Colts at the 20, which is probably about as far as he would've gotten anyways if the Bolts hadn't stopped playing. They shouldn't have blown the whistle, it was a mistake. That's what inadvertant whistle means.

 

[brobe4]

This happens NO BIGGIE. Holding calls are what drives me crazy they could call that on every team every play.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I go back and forth with this. Yeah, keep the whistles in the pockets sounds good...until a dude gets blown up after a turnover and gets put on IR when the play should have been blown dead. That is the reason they blow the whistle.Personally, I feel the play should run if it is a judgment call. As stated earlier, you can always reverse the call if needed, but you can't add action back after the whistle blows.

And that's the unfortunate thing. This wasn't even a judgement call. The official that blew the whistle in the endzone ruled it an INT but down by contact (when there wasn't a Charger within 5 yards of the play).

I don't think the ref who blew his whistle was in the end zone. I think the ref who blew his whistle was figuring that the pass was incomplete. Although I haven't heard any kind of official explanation . . .(I know they called it an interception on the field, but that was after huddling. Before the group discussion, I suspect at least one ref thought it was incomplete.)

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it.

My daughter was talking about the play and I couldn't hear what the official said. What was the explanation for spotting the ball at the 20?

The ball was whistled dead by one official. Since he picked it off in the endzone, it was placed at the 20. And FYI, I was at the game, I sit in the other endzone, I was drunk, I could hear the wistle blow several times. None of the Chargers players sans Neal and McNeil tried to tackle him becuase they heard the whistle too.

You can see the replay here. Session picked up the ball and ran right by one Charger standing on about the three or four yard line, and several more at about the twenty yard line -- everyone was just standing there watching him because the whistle had blown. If people had been trying to tackle him, the play would have been a lot different.

Can barely hear the whistles in this replay.

I can't hear them at all on that replay, but I could hear them very clearly on NBC's telecast.

 

[parrot]

I go back and forth with this. Yeah, keep the whistles in the pockets sounds good...until a dude gets blown up after a turnover and gets put on IR when the play should have been blown dead. That is the reason they blow the whistle.Personally, I feel the play should run if it is a judgment call. As stated earlier, you can always reverse the call if needed, but you can't add action back after the whistle blows.

And that's the unfortunate thing. This wasn't even a judgement call. The official that blew the whistle in the endzone ruled it an INT but down by contact (when there wasn't a Charger within 5 yards of the play).

I don't think the ref who blew his whistle was in the end zone. I think the ref who blew his whistle was figuring that the pass was incomplete. Although I haven't heard any kind of official explanation . . .(I know they called it an interception on the field, but that was after huddling. Before the group discussion, I suspect at least one ref thought it was incomplete.)

That was the way I interpretted it too.Did the official say it was an inadvertent whistle, or down by contact?

 

[mad sweeney]

I go back and forth with this. Yeah, keep the whistles in the pockets sounds good...until a dude gets blown up after a turnover and gets put on IR when the play should have been blown dead. That is the reason they blow the whistle.Personally, I feel the play should run if it is a judgment call. As stated earlier, you can always reverse the call if needed, but you can't add action back after the whistle blows.

And that's the unfortunate thing. This wasn't even a judgement call. The official that blew the whistle in the endzone ruled it an INT but down by contact (when there wasn't a Charger within 5 yards of the play).

I don't think the ref who blew his whistle was in the end zone. I think the ref who blew his whistle was figuring that the pass was incomplete. Although I haven't heard any kind of official explanation . . .(I know they called it an interception on the field, but that was after huddling. Before the group discussion, I suspect at least one ref thought it was incomplete.)

That was the way I interpretted it too.Did the official say it was an inadvertent whistle, or down by contact?

Inadvertent whistle creating a dead ball in the endzone, touchback. You can see the turnover beanbag thrown by the ref closest to the play, he's not the on who blew the whistle. Dunno who actually blew it dead but in the replay you can hear a tentative whistle right away while the Colt is still down and then another stronger whistle a second or two later. I think someone jumped the gun and blew the whistle and tried to stop, but realizing he'd already sounded the whistle had to blow it dead. The ref closest to the play got it right. A very rare mistake that they've almost completely eliminated in the last few years. And again, it's not likely he'd get past the 20, certainly wouldn't have gotten as far as he did if almost all the Chargers hadn't stopped. Based on Manning's play and his subsequent pick, it's extrememly unlikely that this had anything whatsoever to do with the outcome of the game.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Inadvertent whistle creating a dead ball in the endzone, touchback. You can see the turnover beanbag thrown by the ref closest to the play, he's not the on who blew the whistle. Dunno who actually blew it dead but in the replay you can hear a tentative whistle right away while the Colt is still down and then another stronger whistle a second or two later. I think someone jumped the gun and blew the whistle and tried to stop, but realizing he'd already sounded the whistle had to blow it dead. The ref closest to the play got it right.

That ref probably saved the Colts from having to throw the red flag.

 

[mad sweeney]

Inadvertent whistle creating a dead ball in the endzone, touchback. You can see the turnover beanbag thrown by the ref closest to the play, he's not the on who blew the whistle. Dunno who actually blew it dead but in the replay you can hear a tentative whistle right away while the Colt is still down and then another stronger whistle a second or two later. I think someone jumped the gun and blew the whistle and tried to stop, but realizing he'd already sounded the whistle had to blow it dead. The ref closest to the play got it right.

That ref probably saved the Colts from having to throw the red flag.

Huh? The ref that threw the beanbag would've easily convinced the head ref that it was a pick. In all probablility that whistle gave the Colts more yards than they should've gotten with the not so swift LB taking it out of the endzone. It's a toss up if he even would've made it to the 20 and should've stayed down in the endzone when he caught it. At the rate they were going they might've McCree-ed it and fumbled the pick back to the Chargers.I don't think there would've been anything to challenge if there was no whistle, it was a pick no matter the whistle.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Inadvertent whistle creating a dead ball in the endzone, touchback. You can see the turnover beanbag thrown by the ref closest to the play, he's not the on who blew the whistle. Dunno who actually blew it dead but in the replay you can hear a tentative whistle right away while the Colt is still down and then another stronger whistle a second or two later. I think someone jumped the gun and blew the whistle and tried to stop, but realizing he'd already sounded the whistle had to blow it dead. The ref closest to the play got it right.

That ref probably saved the Colts from having to throw the red flag.

Huh? The ref that threw the beanbag would've easily convinced the head ref that it was a pick. In all probablility that whistle gave the Colts more yards than they should've gotten with the not so swift LB taking it out of the endzone. It's a toss up if he even would've made it to the 20 and should've stayed down in the endzone when he caught it. At the rate they were going they might've McCree-ed it and fumbled the pick back to the Chargers.I don't think there would've been anything to challenge if there was no whistle, it was a pick no matter the whistle.

Actually, what I meant was: If that ref hadn't been right there, then the play would have been ruled an incomplete pass, and the Colts would have been forced to use a Challenge.

 

[mad sweeney]

Inadvertent whistle creating a dead ball in the endzone, touchback. You can see the turnover beanbag thrown by the ref closest to the play, he's not the on who blew the whistle. Dunno who actually blew it dead but in the replay you can hear a tentative whistle right away while the Colt is still down and then another stronger whistle a second or two later. I think someone jumped the gun and blew the whistle and tried to stop, but realizing he'd already sounded the whistle had to blow it dead. The ref closest to the play got it right.

That ref probably saved the Colts from having to throw the red flag.

Huh? The ref that threw the beanbag would've easily convinced the head ref that it was a pick. In all probablility that whistle gave the Colts more yards than they should've gotten with the not so swift LB taking it out of the endzone. It's a toss up if he even would've made it to the 20 and should've stayed down in the endzone when he caught it. At the rate they were going they might've McCree-ed it and fumbled the pick back to the Chargers.I don't think there would've been anything to challenge if there was no whistle, it was a pick no matter the whistle.

Actually, what I meant was: If that ref hadn't been right there, then the play would have been ruled an incomplete pass, and the Colts would have been forced to use a Challenge.

Gotcha.