The Colts of '06 (1 Viewer)

[pizzatyme]

I know most will say they already know this stuff, but I want to vent on what I witnessed at the game yesterday.

The Colts lack leadership. I was able to see the sidelines all day and the players body language was terrible.

Some of my observations:

After the Manning INT off of Wayne's hands. Harrison goes to the end of the bench and sulks. He sits there not talking to anyone.

Manning sits on the bench, miffed about the play.

Wayne sits on the bench and noone goes to pep him up.

I know these guys are professionals, but I just don't see anyone who takes the players by the pads and says "Come on guys, let's get this thing going." Dungy isn't that type of coach. We don't have that type of player on the offense.

Peyton is a great talent, but it amazes me in that he doesn't take the lead to bring the guys together.

On Wayne's TD, Marvin strolls to the bench and told 3 guys along the way that he(Marvin) was wide open. No congratulating Wayne. Just complaining. Marvin is probably the second greatest WR to ever play the game, but he is not a leader like I think a veteran should be.

Wayne was obviously emotional. After his TD, he went back into the endzone, knelt down and tapped the turf and then pointed to the sky to his recently departed brother.

I think Manning looked very average yesterday. With his status on the team, noone looks willing to get in his grill and say "Come on"

I love the Colts. I wish they had that strong leader who would stand up and take charge. Dungy is a great man and a good coach, but we need someone with fire to take this team to the next level.

On the defensive side of the ball, Ron Meeks schemes are just not working. The cover 2 is only as good as the linebackers. The Colts have let the following linebackers go to FA over the last few years: Marcus Washington(Redskins) Mike Peterson(Jags) and David Thornton(Titans)

My gosh, how would the Colts look with those 3 at LB?!

Again, no leadership, no fire, no way out until Dungy or Peyton goes. And, since Peyton is a mainstay, it's time for Dungy and Meeks to go.

GB Dungy, but I want fire and leadership!

 

[JohnnyU]

First of all, Marvin Harrison has always sat by himself a lot. He is not sulking, that's just Marvin.

One thing for sure, if they don't go out and sign some run stoppers, they are one and out again in the playoffs.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Team is 5-0 and you want to fire Dungy? I agree the Colts are going nowhere this season except for an early exit once they enter the playoffs but how do you fire a coach that went 14-2 last season...5-0 right now...over his last 21 regular season games he has a winning percentage of 90%...no way will they fire him. They weren't winning this many games under Mora.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Marvin is probably the second greatest WR to ever play the game,

Not to hijack too much, but you must realize how much having Manning helps him. How do you think he would've done playing with the QBs that Moss has had to struggle through?

 

[Ghost Rider]

First of all, Marvin Harrison has always sat by himself a lot. He is not sulking, that's just Marvin. One thing for sure, if they don't go out and sign some run stoppers, they are one and out again in the playoffs.

Marvin is probably the second greatest WR to ever play the game,

Not to hijack too much, but you must realize how much having Manning helps him. How do you think he would've done playing with the QBs that Moss has had to struggle through?

Moss hasn't had a QB the level of Manning throwing to him, no, but he did benefit by playing opposite Cris Carter for years in a high-powered, pass-happy offense.

 

[pizzatyme]

First of all, Marvin Harrison has always sat by himself a lot. He is not sulking, that's just Marvin. One thing for sure, if they don't go out and sign some run stoppers, they are one and out again in the playoffs.

He sure wasn't right to the bench when he got the TD. He hammed it up with a few players on his way, then talked to several more after sitting down. I know Marvin is quiet, all I'm saying is that he was obviously sulking. All you have to do is watch the body language. Walking onto the field, not showing any emotion when Wayne scored, etc.Here are some more things I think the Colts need. They need Bill Polian to get over his conceit. Polian drafts a team and that is what the coach has to work with. No trades, no FA pickups, no in-season help.Polian is a great drafter. He really lacks the ability to pull off moves to address team needs after the draft.We have 3 DEs trying to play against the run. No way will that work! Travis freaking Henry was running wind sprints against us for gosh sake.We have under-sized LBs who, without a massive DT to keep linemen off of them, are easily blocked.Our offensive line is just not good. Besides Tarik Glenn and Saturday, we are weak! Manning isn't getting the time needed to stretch the field. The defenses know that. This is the reason for so many close games this year.

 

[pizzatyme]

Marvin is probably the second greatest WR to ever play the game,

Not to hijack too much, but you must realize how much having Manning helps him. How do you think he would've done playing with the QBs that Moss has had to struggle through?

Point taken. But I've seen for years, precise routes, pinpoint timing, and terrific catches. These are things Moss with all of his physical abilities does not possess.Harrison with Manning= #2 WR all timeHarrison without Manning= top 20 probably. So much of who gets to the top is based on opportunity. But you have to have the skills necessary to take advantage of the opportunity.

 

[jon_mx]

First of all, Marvin Harrison has always sat by himself a lot. He is not sulking, that's just Marvin. One thing for sure, if they don't go out and sign some run stoppers, they are one and out again in the playoffs.

Yep, I have been saying from week 1 they are the worst run defense in the NFL. You don't beat Denver, SD, NE, or Pitt without being able to stop the run. When below average run teams like Jacksonville and Tennesee run over you like Nebraska over some division II team, you know you are in big trouble. Their run defense is that bad and they may not even be a top 5 team because of it.

 

[pizzatyme]

Team is 5-0 and you want to fire Dungy? I agree the Colts are going nowhere this season except for an early exit once they enter the playoffs but how do you fire a coach that went 14-2 last season...5-0 right now...over his last 21 regular season games he has a winning percentage of 90%...no way will they fire him. They weren't winning this many games under Mora.

Mora didn't have the full offensive compliment that Dungy walked into. The offense was just getting to their prime.Dungy is a great coach, no doubt. But I would guess no more than 1-2 more losses over the last 3 years with ANY other coach.The offense runs itself. If anything, Dungy has held the offense back with his decision to punt on 4th and 6 at the opponents 37yl. An opponent that was 0-4 no less!No fire= no superbowl!CowherBelichickBillickVermielAll were able to show emotion both ways. Get a team fired up. Dungy= class, integrity, no SuperbowlIt's time for Gruden to clean up here like he did in Tampa!

 

[pizzatyme]

To be honest, I wish the Colts missed the playoffs for a couple of years. Dungy was never our best choice. His Tampa-2 D was only as good as the linebackers.

The Colts window to win a championship is closing, it will be gone before Dungy.

The Colts will go down as one of the greatest regular season teams ever! That is not enough.

Keep in mind, I love the Colts!

 

[IndyHavoc]

Team is 5-0 and you want to fire Dungy? I agree the Colts are going nowhere this season except for an early exit once they enter the playoffs but how do you fire a coach that went 14-2 last season...5-0 right now...over his last 21 regular season games he has a winning percentage of 90%...no way will they fire him. They weren't winning this many games under Mora.

Mora didn't have the full offensive compliment that Dungy walked into. The offense was just getting to their prime.Dungy is a great coach, no doubt. But I would guess no more than 1-2 more losses over the last 3 years with ANY other coach.The offense runs itself. If anything, Dungy has held the offense back with his decision to punt on 4th and 6 at the opponents 37yl. An opponent that was 0-4 no less!No fire= no superbowl!CowherBelichickBillickVermielAll were able to show emotion both ways. Get a team fired up. Dungy= class, integrity, no SuperbowlIt's time for Gruden to clean up here like he did in Tampa!

MOP and others may laugh, but this is becoming a very strong under-current to the sports attitude here in Indy. This town sees the window closing very quickly. We've got 2, maybe 3 years. We've wasted 2 already, this (the 3rd) is quickly looking like the same old story. Somethings got to give. We can NOT continute to play to the level of our competition w/o having that leader (either playing, or on the sidelines) to get us that big play on either offense of defense.I'm really hoping we see a trade in the next few weeks, or the signing of some super-fat guy to help take up 2 blockers. Right now, I just have seen NOTHING from this defense to make me believe they are even capable of holding an average NFL running game to less than 5 ypc. The team is doomed with the personel currently playing. Getting Bob Sanders back will help a little on run support, but not enough and not often enough to make a losing effort into a W.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Team is 5-0 and you want to fire Dungy? I agree the Colts are going nowhere this season except for an early exit once they enter the playoffs but how do you fire a coach that went 14-2 last season...5-0 right now...over his last 21 regular season games he has a winning percentage of 90%...no way will they fire him. They weren't winning this many games under Mora.

Dude the grass is not always greener. Be happy with what you have, you were 1 Ben Rothlisberger diving Tackle away last year. Sometimes it comes down to that 1 play, no reason to blow up the coaching staff.

 

[IndyHavoc]

... Dungy was never our best choice. His Tampa-2 D was only as good as the linebackers.

:nod: Tampa 2 is completely limited by the strength of the linebackers and cornerbacks. Right now, the LB's aren't able to shed the run blocks that the D-Line can't push through. The CB's can't be left alone 1-on-1, so the safeties can't contribute to run support w/o risking giving up the big play. Go back through the last few drafts and look at all the LB's and DT's (great ones, great draft grades, great pedigree and college production) that the Colts pass on each year. Jeebus, I spend draft day yelling at the tube each of the last 3 years.Love the Colts too, btw. But this is a trickle down effect on the Defense, and for some reason it feels like Moore has decided he really needs to prove that he can run the ball, so the Colts are NOT getting out to a fast start. If they can prove to me they can spot 14 pts consistently on the first 2 posessions, I'd feel alot better about this defense. Right now, we're overly focused on doing the blah-blah "run to setup the pass" these past 2 weeks. Not sure where it's coming from, but keeping games close = opening the door to watch the defense get abused.

 

[Slum Lord]

We've got 2, maybe 3 years. We've wasted 2 already, this (the 3rd) is quickly looking like the same old story.

Super Bowl runs dont last long, and its just about over for Indy. You get old fast in the NFL, and with Mr. October at QB, his only chance to win the big one will be like Elway, right at the end of his career after a few rebuilding years. And i still think that idiot kicker missed on purpose.

 

[JohnnyU]

Team is 5-0 and you want to fire Dungy? I agree the Colts are going nowhere this season except for an early exit once they enter the playoffs but how do you fire a coach that went 14-2 last season...5-0 right now...over his last 21 regular season games he has a winning percentage of 90%...no way will they fire him. They weren't winning this many games under Mora.

Dude the grass is not always greener. Be happy with what you have, you were 1 Ben Rothlisberger diving Tackle away last year. Sometimes it comes down to that 1 play, no reason to blow up the coaching staff.

Maybe, but I would love to see Dungy go get into the face of some players and just yell at them once. The man is too nice, and I think the defense is partly soft because of it, to go along with their lack of size. Dungy's demeanor is soft, and so is their defense. Now I'm not saying act like a raving lunatic on the sidelines and yell all the time, because that doesn't do any good either, but a good mixture of Dungy and Cowher would suffice. Also, I would love to see Dungy disagree with the refs some of the time

 

[IndyHavoc]

I keep wondering if/when Bob Sanders will be back. I don't think he'll change everything, but it sure seems like the Colts have regressed to a level of "softness" they had right before they had Sanders come in. They've got no swagger, no ability to lay someone out. I remember Sanders consistently filling gaps in the run game and laying out some of the biggest RB's in the league last year. I'm really hoping the struggles are as much about attitude as they are about lack of talent and missed assignments.

I just don't have the answers. Anyone have an information on Sanders return? I've usually got a pretty good line on some injuries, but haven't heard a peep about how he's doing?

 

[JohnnyU]

I keep wondering if/when Bob Sanders will be back. I don't think he'll change everything, but it sure seems like the Colts have regressed to a level of "softness" they had right before they had Sanders come in. They've got no swagger, no ability to lay someone out. I remember Sanders consistently filling gaps in the run game and laying out some of the biggest RB's in the league last year. I'm really hoping the struggles are as much about attitude as they are about lack of talent and missed assignments. I just don't have the answers. Anyone have an information on Sanders return? I've usually got a pretty good line on some injuries, but haven't heard a peep about how he's doing?

The problems with Sanders is that because of his size and his style of play, he's always hurt, and always will be.

 

[jon_mx]

We've got 2, maybe 3 years. We've wasted 2 already, this (the 3rd) is quickly looking like the same old story.

Super Bowl runs dont last long, and its just about over for Indy. You get old fast in the NFL, and with Mr. October at QB, his only chance to win the big one will be like Elway, right at the end of his career after a few rebuilding years. And i still think that idiot kicker missed on purpose.

The fortunes of New England and the Colts could be reversed based on 3 made kicks and 3 missed kicks.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Team is 5-0 and you want to fire Dungy? I agree the Colts are going nowhere this season except for an early exit once they enter the playoffs but how do you fire a coach that went 14-2 last season...5-0 right now...over his last 21 regular season games he has a winning percentage of 90%...no way will they fire him. They weren't winning this many games under Mora.

Mora didn't have the full offensive compliment that Dungy walked into. The offense was just getting to their prime.Dungy is a great coach, no doubt. But I would guess no more than 1-2 more losses over the last 3 years with ANY other coach.The offense runs itself. If anything, Dungy has held the offense back with his decision to punt on 4th and 6 at the opponents 37yl. An opponent that was 0-4 no less!No fire= no superbowl!CowherBelichickBillickVermielAll were able to show emotion both ways. Get a team fired up. Dungy= class, integrity, no SuperbowlIt's time for Gruden to clean up here like he did in Tampa!

MOP and others may laugh, but this is becoming a very strong under-current to the sports attitude here in Indy. This town sees the window closing very quickly. We've got 2, maybe 3 years. We've wasted 2 already, this (the 3rd) is quickly looking like the same old story. Somethings got to give. We can NOT continute to play to the level of our competition w/o having that leader (either playing, or on the sidelines) to get us that big play on either offense of defense.I'm really hoping we see a trade in the next few weeks, or the signing of some super-fat guy to help take up 2 blockers. Right now, I just have seen NOTHING from this defense to make me believe they are even capable of holding an average NFL running game to less than 5 ypc. The team is doomed with the personel currently playing. Getting Bob Sanders back will help a little on run support, but not enough and not often enough to make a losing effort into a W.

Who would you replace Dungy with? Did you see the coaches that were available last season? Dungy had his son die too right at the end of last year...bad timing but it had to have some affect on the team. He has started 5-0 but because some of you lost money cause the Colts didn't cover against a weak team than he should be fired.1. Manning should be the leader...if he isn't then you should vote to replace him, not the coach.2. Dungy handles everything with class. That's his style and it turned the worst franchise around in NFL history into a contender. The Indianapolis Colts didn't exactly have a tremendous track record before Dungy entered...have they won the division every year Dungy has been there? I'm not sure but they have made the playoffs every year...flirted with going undefeated last season...there are lots of teams that would trade places with you all. 3. The defense just isn't very good right now. What happened to Cato June? Where is the defense that did pretty well or well enough thru the first 12-13 games of last season?

 

[Snotbubbles]

2. Dungy handles everything with class. That's his style and it turned the worst franchise around in NFL history into a contender. The Indianapolis Colts didn't exactly have a tremendous track record before Dungy entered...have they won the division every year Dungy has been there? I'm not sure but they have made the playoffs every year...flirted with going undefeated last season...there are lots of teams that would trade places with you all.

I somewhat agree with this. You can't fault Dungy for the Colts lack of defense. He's not the GM. He gets the most out of what he is given to work with. Unfortunately for the Colts, this defense just isn't good enough to win in the playoffs. Maybe the Colts should have used the $8,000,000 they spent on Harrison to get defensive players like a Darren Howard and/or Adam Archuleta this off-season.

 

[pizzatyme]

Team is 5-0 and you want to fire Dungy? I agree the Colts are going nowhere this season except for an early exit once they enter the playoffs but how do you fire a coach that went 14-2 last season...5-0 right now...over his last 21 regular season games he has a winning percentage of 90%...no way will they fire him. They weren't winning this many games under Mora.

Mora didn't have the full offensive compliment that Dungy walked into. The offense was just getting to their prime.Dungy is a great coach, no doubt. But I would guess no more than 1-2 more losses over the last 3 years with ANY other coach.

The offense runs itself. If anything, Dungy has held the offense back with his decision to punt on 4th and 6 at the opponents 37yl. An opponent that was 0-4 no less!

No fire= no superbowl!

Cowher

Belichick

Billick

Vermiel

All were able to show emotion both ways. Get a team fired up. Dungy= class, integrity, no Superbowl

It's time for Gruden to clean up here like he did in Tampa!

MOP and others may laugh, but this is becoming a very strong under-current to the sports attitude here in Indy. This town sees the window closing very quickly. We've got 2, maybe 3 years. We've wasted 2 already, this (the 3rd) is quickly looking like the same old story. Somethings got to give. We can NOT continute to play to the level of our competition w/o having that leader (either playing, or on the sidelines) to get us that big play on either offense of defense.I'm really hoping we see a trade in the next few weeks, or the signing of some super-fat guy to help take up 2 blockers. Right now, I just have seen NOTHING from this defense to make me believe they are even capable of holding an average NFL running game to less than 5 ypc. The team is doomed with the personel currently playing. Getting Bob Sanders back will help a little on run support, but not enough and not often enough to make a losing effort into a W.

Who would you replace Dungy with? Did you see the coaches that were available last season? Dungy had his son die too right at the end of last year...bad timing but it had to have some affect on the team. He has started 5-0 but because some of you lost money cause the Colts didn't cover against a weak team than he should be fired.1. Manning should be the leader...if he isn't then you should vote to replace him, not the coach.

2. Dungy handles everything with class. That's his style and it turned the worst franchise around in NFL history into a contender. The Indianapolis Colts didn't exactly have a tremendous track record before Dungy entered...have they won the division every year Dungy has been there? I'm not sure but they have made the playoffs every year...flirted with going undefeated last season...there are lots of teams that would trade places with you all.

3. The defense just isn't very good right now. What happened to Cato June? Where is the defense that did pretty well or well enough thru the first 12-13 games of last season?

MOP, quit making things up. Noone lost any money on this game. Noone said things because of a bet. Cato June is still there. He made the pro bowl last year because of some nice, timely interceptions. The Colts aren't blowing anyone out, therefore, this is allowing the opponents to continue to run the ball. The Colts are hellbent on proving they don't need Edge. They are trying to establish the run. This is different than last season where they got a big lead and made people play catch-up.

This is also hurting their defensive ends, Freeney and Mathis. With a lead, these guys are much more dangerous. They can pressure the QB with the lead. Without the lead, these DEs are average at best against the run.

Dungy is a great guy. I think he walked into the perfect opportunity to succeed. He is more than a little to blame for the defensive woes. It is his defense he brought with him from Tampa. It is not working. It only worked last season when the Colts had big leads.

I love Dungy for the man he is. But, football is a business.

As for who else we might want as coach. It seems to me the Eric Mangini was available. What about NOs coach, Minnys coach, etc.

I'd bet there would be a line to coach the Colts if Dungy were gone.

 

[pizzatyme]

I feel much better now that I've ranted! Go Colts!

 

[Steelers4Life]

Run the football, and stop the run. If the current players can't do it, get players on the OL and DL that can get the job done. It's as much about attitude as it is talent.

The Steelers lined up against them in the playoffs last year, smacked them around, and won. Trying to sell out to stop the run (because that's the only way they could've come close), they allowed Roethlisberger to light them up through the air in the first half. By the time the blown call on Polamalu's INT gave them new life at the end of the game, it was just about too late.

It doesn't seem like the Colts did a thing to address those problems this year.

Getting run all over by the Titans? The Colts are a solid team, but they've got a long way to go before they become a legit contender in the AFC. The season's far from over though.

 

[pizzatyme]

Run the football, and stop the run. If the current players can't do it, get players on the OL and DL that can get the job done. It's as much about attitude as it is talent.The Steelers lined up against them in the playoffs last year, smacked them around, and won. Trying to sell out to stop the run (because that's the only way they could've come close), they allowed Roethlisberger to light them up through the air in the first half. By the time the blown call on Polamalu's INT gave them new life at the end of the game, it was just about too late. It doesn't seem like the Colts did a thing to address those problems this year.Getting run all over by the Titans? The Colts are a solid team, but they've got a long way to go before they become a legit contender in the AFC. The season's far from over though.

couldn't agree more...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This is the year the Colts win the Super Bowl.

They can't consistently get a run game going, their run defense is one of the worst I've seen in quite some time, they're getting caught in close games with some teams they should easily beat, this team is a shred of what it was last year.

With the way that the wild and crazy NFL works, that can only mean that they'll have MORE success this year.

 

[fantasy nut]

On Wayne's TD, Marvin strolls to the bench and told 3 guys along the way that he(Marvin) was wide open. No congratulating Wayne.

I didn't realize Harrison was "miked"...or are you an expert "lip reader"? Marvin Harrison is a consumate pro...unless you are 100% certain about this I would cut him some slack and stop trying to slander him.

 

[Wadsworth]

How strange are things in Indy right now? They are 5-0 coming off 14-2, 12-4, and 12-4 seasons and you'd think they were the raiders. I understand that they have a tight salary cap situation and the window is closing for Manning and Harrison, but eesh. Dungy is the problem? Like it's his fault Polian keeps letting quality defenders leave. Tony Dungy can built a defense if you let him. The truth is that the colts decided a long time to ago that Manning/Harrison and the exciting explosive offense was more important than building a team that follows the long establish method of winning Super Bowls. They are still an extremely good football team. But the holes they have in personel are the holes they left open. Of Manning, Polian and Dungy, you can make a good case that Dungy is the least responsible for their post season issues.

 

[pizzatyme]

On Wayne's TD, Marvin strolls to the bench and told 3 guys along the way that he(Marvin) was wide open. No congratulating Wayne.

I didn't realize Harrison was "miked"...or are you an expert "lip reader"? Marvin Harrison is a consumate pro...unless you are 100% certain about this I would cut him some slack and stop trying to slander him.

Well, does 30yl seats behind the Colts bench count? How about binoculars? And, oh yes, I have 2 family members who are deaf. But besides that, when is reporting that Harrison was saying he was wide open, slanderous?Thanks for playing!

 

[pizzatyme]

How strange are things in Indy right now? They are 5-0 coming off 14-2, 12-4, and 12-4 seasons and you'd think they were the raiders. I understand that they have a tight salary cap situation and the window is closing for Manning and Harrison, but eesh. Dungy is the problem? Like it's his fault Polian keeps letting quality defenders leave. Tony Dungy can built a defense if you let him. The truth is that the colts decided a long time to ago that Manning/Harrison and the exciting explosive offense was more important than building a team that follows the long establish method of winning Super Bowls. They are still an extremely good football team. But the holes they have in personel are the holes they left open. Of Manning, Polian and Dungy, you can make a good case that Dungy is the least responsible for their post season issues.

Dungy brought his scheme and his D Coordinator of choice. Polian is also to blame. I said that in my previous posts.Manning doesn't play defense, never has and never will. He is actually carrying the team on his back so far this season.I'd rather be 9-6 and glad to make the playoffs with a chance to win, than 14-2 and lose while expected to win. This way, my ticket price doesn't jump $100 per seat in 2 years. The Colts are winning, this is profitable for the ownership, great for regular season morale. But I'll guarantee you, there were 60,000 fans leaving that stadium last year after the Steelers game, who can see the same thing coming this year.Enough is enough.

 

[Sopranos]

Its the way they have always acted. Marvin hasnt changed. Lacks Leadership? Wow. The sky is blue. Everyone has known that for years. Thats why i would have sold the farm for R Lewis. Didnt even care if he ever played. Anyway here on local radio everyone is ripping the team about everything. I cant even listen any longer..

On a positive note when ever B Sanders is missing,even last season,the D was weak. He will be back in week 7 and we will see an improvement.

BTW Thorton isnt worth the money he got.. Either is Edge

Maybe JUST Maybe you should give some credit to a Titan team that had a great Defensive plan and played to it well. If a team is coached well and had a good plan it could happen on every given week...

Got untill week 19 to get things right so who cares now

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As for who else we might want as coach. It seems to me the Eric Mangini was available. What about NOs coach, Minnys coach, etc.I'd bet there would be a line to coach the Colts if Dungy were gone.

And there would be an Army of GMs that would hire Dungy so fast your head would spin. Give me a break!

 

[pizzatyme]

Its the way they have always acted. Marvin hasnt changed. Lacks Leadership? Wow. The sky is blue. Everyone has known that for years. Thats why i would have sold the farm for R Lewis. Didnt even care if he ever played. Anyway here on local radio everyone is ripping the team about everything. I cant even listen any longer..On a positive note when ever B Sanders is missing,even last season,the D was weak. He will be back in week 7 and we will see an improvement.BTW Thorton isnt worth the money he got.. Either is EdgeMaybe JUST Maybe you should give some credit to a Titan team that had a great Defensive plan and played to it well. If a team is coached well and had a good plan it could happen on every given week...Got untill week 19 to get things right so who cares now

If their "great defensive plan" was so great, then it only makes my point that the Colts were outcoached! Sanders is good, but not good enough to improve the defense THAT much.The Titans were averaging 70ypg before the Colts game. Thorton is a great guy. Athletic, and was possibly the best LB on the field Sunday. Bullock notwithstanding.What the Colts are missing won't get "fixed" in 19 weeks or 19 months with Polian and Dungy in charge.

 

[JohnnyU]

As for who else we might want as coach. It seems to me the Eric Mangini was available. What about NOs coach, Minnys coach, etc.I'd bet there would be a line to coach the Colts if Dungy were gone.

And there would be an Army of GMs that would hire Dungy so fast your head would spin. Give me a break!

Especially as a defensive coordinator if he promises not to draft a starting defensive line of 245/285/274/268 and linebackers of 228/235/227 and all his DBs are 4 foot something.

 

[pizzatyme]

As for who else we might want as coach. It seems to me the Eric Mangini was available. What about NOs coach, Minnys coach, etc.I'd bet there would be a line to coach the Colts if Dungy were gone.

And there would be an Army of GMs that would hire Dungy so fast your head would spin. Give me a break!

I'm not saying Dungy is a bad coach. Just not the right coach to take the Colts to the SB. Oh wait, I guess he has done it before, ummm, welll....NEVER!I was wishing that the coaches could swap sidelines on Sunday.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As for who else we might want as coach. It seems to me the Eric Mangini was available. What about NOs coach, Minnys coach, etc.I'd bet there would be a line to coach the Colts if Dungy were gone.

And there would be an Army of GMs that would hire Dungy so fast your head would spin. Give me a break!

Especially as a defensive coordinator if he promises not to draft a starting defensive line of 245/285/274/268 and linebackers of 228/235/227 and all his DBs are 4 foot something.

JU, you can post that all you want but the Tampa2 scheme is one of the most copycat defenses being run all over the league. Seems to be doing just fine for the Bears, Broncos, Saints...lots of teams run it. Dungy had a quick DL that was not huge in Minnesota and they sacked the QB for some obscene number for a few years before he went to Tampa...Doleman and all those guys were incredibly quick. He enters Tampa and has Sapp and Brad Culpepper inside...CPepp was about 275-280 max...Simeon Rice, Ahonatu, none of those guys were huge. What do you want? 300 lb DEs? Corey Simon was about what he likes at NT or DT on his line. Simon was good last season coming over late from Philly IIRC. How much does future HoF LB Derrick Brooks weigh? Where are you going with that sort of statement...don't act like Dungy cannot win a football game as a coach...it's absurd. He did just fine in Tampa with a quick defense that was not overly big.

 

[JohnnyU]

JU, you can post that all you want but the Tampa2 scheme is one of the most copycat defenses being run all over the league. Seems to be doing just fine for the Bears, Broncos, Saints...lots of teams run it. Dungy had a quick DL that was not huge in Minnesota and they sacked the QB for some obscene number for a few years before he went to Tampa...Doleman and all those guys were incredibly quick. He enters Tampa and has Sapp and Brad Culpepper inside...CPepp was about 275-280 max...Simeon Rice, Ahonatu, none of those guys were huge. What do you want? 300 lb DEs? Corey Simon was about what he likes at NT or DT on his line. Simon was good last season coming over late from Philly IIRC. How much does future HoF LB Derrick Brooks weigh? Where are you going with that sort of statement...don't act like Dungy cannot win a football game as a coach...it's absurd. He did just fine in Tampa with a quick defense that was not overly big.

Big difference in talent between those defensive teams and the current Colts defense. Quick doesn't mean squat without talent and obviously strength.

 

[pizzatyme]

As for who else we might want as coach. It seems to me the Eric Mangini was available. What about NOs coach, Minnys coach, etc.I'd bet there would be a line to coach the Colts if Dungy were gone.

And there would be an Army of GMs that would hire Dungy so fast your head would spin. Give me a break!

Especially as a defensive coordinator if he promises not to draft a starting defensive line of 245/285/274/268 and linebackers of 228/235/227 and all his DBs are 4 foot something.

JU, you can post that all you want but the Tampa2 scheme is one of the most copycat defenses being run all over the league. Seems to be doing just fine for the Bears, Broncos, Saints...lots of teams run it. Dungy had a quick DL that was not huge in Minnesota and they sacked the QB for some obscene number for a few years before he went to Tampa...Doleman and all those guys were incredibly quick. He enters Tampa and has Sapp and Brad Culpepper inside...CPepp was about 275-280 max...Simeon Rice, Ahonatu, none of those guys were huge. What do you want? 300 lb DEs? Corey Simon was about what he likes at NT or DT on his line. Simon was good last season coming over late from Philly IIRC. How much does future HoF LB Derrick Brooks weigh? Where are you going with that sort of statement...don't act like Dungy cannot win a football game as a coach...it's absurd. He did just fine in Tampa with a quick defense that was not overly big.

Did he win the Superbowl in Minny or Tampa? Did Gruden?

 

[JohnnyU]

Take a look at Freeney. Everyone wants to talk about his ability to rush the passer, but let me inform you of something. He's more of a liablity than asset. All teams have to do is run the ball at him and he's worthless. There's been plenty of great DE in the NFL that rush the passer and were pretty good at stopping the run, and Freeney isn't one of them. Also, I believe a lot of OL have figured out that spin move of his, which is his only move by the way.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As for who else we might want as coach. It seems to me the Eric Mangini was available. What about NOs coach, Minnys coach, etc.I'd bet there would be a line to coach the Colts if Dungy were gone.

And there would be an Army of GMs that would hire Dungy so fast your head would spin. Give me a break!

I'm not saying Dungy is a bad coach. Just not the right coach to take the Colts to the SB. Oh wait, I guess he has done it before, ummm, welll....NEVER!I was wishing that the coaches could swap sidelines on Sunday.

He's 53-16 as a Head Coach for Indy...who else has posted that type of winning percentage...76.8% that ever coached for Indy. C'mon man, you're not thinking rationally. You think Jeff Fisher would be a better HC for Indy? I can't wait to hear this...For the record I am a big Fisher fan and think he has done well with TN...however those 2 franchises are not even close in the way theyhandle things. Fisher will likely leave the Titans next season and I feel he is destined for the Cards or NY if the Giants miss the playoffs. Dungy is not going anywhere. You own the Colts and you are selling out every game I presume...you are going to win 11,12,13 games a season right now...sure you want to win the SB but so do 31 other teams and there is one team in the AFC that is better at it than all the rest.

 

[pizzatyme]

As for who else we might want as coach. It seems to me the Eric Mangini was available. What about NOs coach, Minnys coach, etc.I'd bet there would be a line to coach the Colts if Dungy were gone.

And there would be an Army of GMs that would hire Dungy so fast your head would spin. Give me a break!

I'm not saying Dungy is a bad coach. Just not the right coach to take the Colts to the SB. Oh wait, I guess he has done it before, ummm, welll....NEVER!I was wishing that the coaches could swap sidelines on Sunday.

He's 53-16 as a Head Coach for Indy...who else has posted that type of winning percentage...76.8% that ever coached for Indy. C'mon man, you're not thinking rationally. You think Jeff Fisher would be a better HC for Indy? I can't wait to hear this...For the record I am a big Fisher fan and think he has done well with TN...however those 2 franchises are not even close in the way theyhandle things. Fisher will likely leave the Titans next season and I feel he is destined for the Cards or NY if the Giants miss the playoffs. Dungy is not going anywhere. You own the Colts and you are selling out every game I presume...you are going to win 11,12,13 games a season right now...sure you want to win the SB but so do 31 other teams and there is one team in the AFC that is better at it than all the rest.

What I pay for is playoff wins that lead to Superbowl wins. I could care less if they go 14-2 yearly versus 10-6 or 8-8. I pay for my tickets, I tailgate, I root for the Colts as hard as anyone. I want to feel as though I have a chance for my team to go to the Superbowl when there is enough talent there to do so.There has been enough talent to have that hope the last 3 years on offense. There has not been the possibility of going to the SB with Polian and Dungy. It is the same thing being considered by Steinbrenner right now with the Yankees. He is considering firing Joe Torre. JOE TORRE! Steinbrenner thinks he has enough talent there and is willing to make a change to get more from his team.Why is that so different than Dungy and Polian's situation? Change can be good!If those two were gone, would the offense suffer over the next 5 years? NO!Would the defense suffer more than it is now? NO!!!Dungy walked into the opportunity of a lifetime. A building franchise on the brink of excellence.Dungy is a great D Coordinator who slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As for who else we might want as coach. It seems to me the Eric Mangini was available. What about NOs coach, Minnys coach, etc.I'd bet there would be a line to coach the Colts if Dungy were gone.

And there would be an Army of GMs that would hire Dungy so fast your head would spin. Give me a break!

Especially as a defensive coordinator if he promises not to draft a starting defensive line of 245/285/274/268 and linebackers of 228/235/227 and all his DBs are 4 foot something.

JU, you can post that all you want but the Tampa2 scheme is one of the most copycat defenses being run all over the league. Seems to be doing just fine for the Bears, Broncos, Saints...lots of teams run it. Dungy had a quick DL that was not huge in Minnesota and they sacked the QB for some obscene number for a few years before he went to Tampa...Doleman and all those guys were incredibly quick. He enters Tampa and has Sapp and Brad Culpepper inside...CPepp was about 275-280 max...Simeon Rice, Ahonatu, none of those guys were huge. What do you want? 300 lb DEs? Corey Simon was about what he likes at NT or DT on his line. Simon was good last season coming over late from Philly IIRC. How much does future HoF LB Derrick Brooks weigh? Where are you going with that sort of statement...don't act like Dungy cannot win a football game as a coach...it's absurd. He did just fine in Tampa with a quick defense that was not overly big.

Did he win the Superbowl in Minny or Tampa? Did Gruden?

That's an ignorant statement. Lots of great players and coaches fill the Hall of Fame that did not win a Super Bowl. If the Colts blew the Titans out this past week this thread would not have come about...they did win the game. If they lost the game, then what would have happened? You really would be after Dungy I guess. I also think it's terrible to not give credit to Dungy for those 53 wins in 4 1/4 seasons...not many coaches that I can recall have that type of record. The Colts can't beat the Pats in the playoffs...guess what? No one seems to be able to...Denver at home last season was able to. The year the Bucs won they did not have to face the best team of that era...the New England Patriots who did not make the playoffs that year in the middle of their 3 SB victories...I doubt Gruden and the Bucs could have beaten any of those 3 SB winners from NE...and and and Dungy has had to face them throughout his tenure as HC. Why the Dungy hate? Cause he doesn't act like an ### on the sidelines where you would ring a refs neck...because he doesn't yell at the players on the field...do you have any idea what he does do behind closed doors? Do you think he just quietly hands out a gameplan and never mutters a word all week...he doesn't yell at his guys cause he doesn't have to. How many penalties have the Colts averaged while Dungy has been the coach...that's the mark of a well coached team. How bout when he was HC of the Bucs? I might have to look it up but I bet it's pretty low. Not many character issues on the Bucs or Colts either...you don't see them pulled over for DUIs all the time...not many of them get suspended for dirty hits or off field domestic violence issues...the Colts are pretty clean and a team you would want your kids to root for. Dungy plays the game his way, in my view he plays the game the right way.

 

[pizzatyme]

Like I said, Dungy is a very good coach. Just not one to take them over the top! He is a classy guy who runs a clean ship.

I live in the midwest, guess what, that is expected from whomever plays for our teams. It wasn't tolerated prior to Dungy. And it won't be after he is gone.

I love the Colts. I love to tak my kids to the games. But as someone who PAYS for my seats. I have a right to have an opinion about their leadership.

It is not taking us to the Superbowl, period. We'll have great seasons, make the playoffs over the next 5 years. Then, bam, Peyton is retired, Edge is gone, Marvin in the HOF, Dungy retires in Tampa. And the Colts window of opportunity is lost for a Superbowl appearance.

Rebuilding, mediocrity, all in our future.

And, BTW, even with a blowout of the Titans, this thread was coming. The Defense is terrible, and I've stated my case about the coaching and management.

 

[Wadsworth]

Ministry of Pain:

That's an ignorant statement. Lots of great players and coaches fill the Hall of Fame that did not win a Super Bowl. If the Colts blew the Titans out this past week this thread would not have come about...they did win the game. If they lost the game, then what would have happened? You really would be after Dungy I guess.

I also think it's terrible to not give credit to Dungy for those 53 wins in 4 1/4 seasons...not many coaches that I can recall have that type of record. The Colts can't beat the Pats in the playoffs...guess what? No one seems to be able to...Denver at home last season was able to. The year the Bucs won they did not have to face the best team of that era...the New England Patriots who did not make the playoffs that year in the middle of their 3 SB victories...I doubt Gruden and the Bucs could have beaten any of those 3 SB winners from NE...and and and Dungy has had to face them throughout his tenure as HC.

Why the Dungy hate? Cause he doesn't act like an ### on the sidelines where you would ring a refs neck...because he doesn't yell at the players on the field...do you have any idea what he does do behind closed doors? Do you think he just quietly hands out a gameplan and never mutters a word all week...he doesn't yell at his guys cause he doesn't have to. How many penalties have the Colts averaged while Dungy has been the coach...that's the mark of a well coached team. How bout when he was HC of the Bucs? I might have to look it up but I bet it's pretty low. Not many character issues on the Bucs or Colts either...you don't see them pulled over for DUIs all the time...not many of them get suspended for dirty hits or off field domestic violence issues...the Colts are pretty clean and a team you would want your kids to root for. Dungy plays the game his way, in my view he plays the game the right way.

Dungy is the kind of guy that's easy to cheer for and I'm always baffled when colts fans don't get it.

pizzatyme:

Did he win the Superbowl in Minny or Tampa? Did Gruden?

Has manning ever won a championship at any level? Has Polian? Would you rather have Gruden coaching the colts? Because I bet a lot of Bucs fans would trade ya right about now. The idea of even talking about firing the coach of a team that has won 19 of it's last 22 games is mindblowing.

 

[pizzatyme]

Ministry of Pain:

That's an ignorant statement. Lots of great players and coaches fill the Hall of Fame that did not win a Super Bowl. If the Colts blew the Titans out this past week this thread would not have come about...they did win the game. If they lost the game, then what would have happened? You really would be after Dungy I guess.

I also think it's terrible to not give credit to Dungy for those 53 wins in 4 1/4 seasons...not many coaches that I can recall have that type of record. The Colts can't beat the Pats in the playoffs...guess what? No one seems to be able to...Denver at home last season was able to. The year the Bucs won they did not have to face the best team of that era...the New England Patriots who did not make the playoffs that year in the middle of their 3 SB victories...I doubt Gruden and the Bucs could have beaten any of those 3 SB winners from NE...and and and Dungy has had to face them throughout his tenure as HC.

Why the Dungy hate? Cause he doesn't act like an ### on the sidelines where you would ring a refs neck...because he doesn't yell at the players on the field...do you have any idea what he does do behind closed doors? Do you think he just quietly hands out a gameplan and never mutters a word all week...he doesn't yell at his guys cause he doesn't have to. How many penalties have the Colts averaged while Dungy has been the coach...that's the mark of a well coached team. How bout when he was HC of the Bucs? I might have to look it up but I bet it's pretty low. Not many character issues on the Bucs or Colts either...you don't see them pulled over for DUIs all the time...not many of them get suspended for dirty hits or off field domestic violence issues...the Colts are pretty clean and a team you would want your kids to root for. Dungy plays the game his way, in my view he plays the game the right way.

Dungy is the kind of guy that's easy to cheer for and always it baffled when colts fans don't get it.

pizzatyme:

Did he win the Superbowl in Minny or Tampa? Did Gruden?

Has manning ever won a championship at any level? Has Polian? Would you rather have Gruden coaching the colts? Because I bet a lot of Bucs fans would trade ya right about now. The idea of even talking about firing the coach of a team that has won 19 of it's last 22 games is mindblowing.

Is it that difficult to understand that we feel we have the talent to succeed in most phases of the game but not the coaching or schemes to get it done?Geez, let's hire Rudy Guilliani to coach the Colts. He seems like a nice guy too.

If the ultimate goal is to win a Superbowl, then all aspects of a team must be considered! Just because a coach is nice, doesn't mean he is above scrutiny!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Like I said, Dungy is a very good coach. Just not one to take them over the top! He is a classy guy who runs a clean ship.I live in the midwest, guess what, that is expected from whomever plays for our teams. It wasn't tolerated prior to Dungy. And it won't be after he is gone.I love the Colts. I love to tak my kids to the games. But as someone who PAYS for my seats. I have a right to have an opinion about their leadership.It is not taking us to the Superbowl, period. We'll have great seasons, make the playoffs over the next 5 years. Then, bam, Peyton is retired, Edge is gone, Marvin in the HOF, Dungy retires in Tampa. And the Colts window of opportunity is lost for a Superbowl appearance.Rebuilding, mediocrity, all in our future.And, BTW, even with a blowout of the Titans, this thread was coming. The Defense is terrible, and I've stated my case about the coaching and management.

OK, good post. Thanks!

 

[Wadsworth]

Ministry of Pain:

That's an ignorant statement. Lots of great players and coaches fill the Hall of Fame that did not win a Super Bowl. If the Colts blew the Titans out this past week this thread would not have come about...they did win the game. If they lost the game, then what would have happened? You really would be after Dungy I guess.

I also think it's terrible to not give credit to Dungy for those 53 wins in 4 1/4 seasons...not many coaches that I can recall have that type of record. The Colts can't beat the Pats in the playoffs...guess what? No one seems to be able to...Denver at home last season was able to. The year the Bucs won they did not have to face the best team of that era...the New England Patriots who did not make the playoffs that year in the middle of their 3 SB victories...I doubt Gruden and the Bucs could have beaten any of those 3 SB winners from NE...and and and Dungy has had to face them throughout his tenure as HC.

Why the Dungy hate? Cause he doesn't act like an ### on the sidelines where you would ring a refs neck...because he doesn't yell at the players on the field...do you have any idea what he does do behind closed doors? Do you think he just quietly hands out a gameplan and never mutters a word all week...he doesn't yell at his guys cause he doesn't have to. How many penalties have the Colts averaged while Dungy has been the coach...that's the mark of a well coached team. How bout when he was HC of the Bucs? I might have to look it up but I bet it's pretty low. Not many character issues on the Bucs or Colts either...you don't see them pulled over for DUIs all the time...not many of them get suspended for dirty hits or off field domestic violence issues...the Colts are pretty clean and a team you would want your kids to root for. Dungy plays the game his way, in my view he plays the game the right way.

Dungy is the kind of guy that's easy to cheer for and always it baffled when colts fans don't get it.

pizzatyme:

Did he win the Superbowl in Minny or Tampa? Did Gruden?

Has manning ever won a championship at any level? Has Polian? Would you rather have Gruden coaching the colts? Because I bet a lot of Bucs fans would trade ya right about now. The idea of even talking about firing the coach of a team that has won 19 of it's last 22 games is mindblowing.

Is it that difficult to understand that we feel we have the talent to succeed in most phases of the game but not the coaching or schemes to get it done?Geez, let's hire Rudy Guilliani to coach the Colts. He seems like a nice guy too.

If the ultimate goal is to win a Superbowl, then all aspects of a team must be considered! Just because a coach is nice, doesn't mean he is above scrutiny!

What about a coach that is nice and has won 19 of his last 22 games? How many NFL games has Rudy Guilliani won? That's the thing, Dungy and the colt are winning a ton of games. It seems the colts fans just expect that and don't recognize or enjoy the gigantic accomplishment their team has made and is continuing to make. Yes, they have no rings to show for it, but sometimes that's just the breaks. How many of Dungy's seasons have the colts lost to the eventual champ for example?

 

[pizzatyme]

Ministry of Pain:

That's an ignorant statement. Lots of great players and coaches fill the Hall of Fame that did not win a Super Bowl. If the Colts blew the Titans out this past week this thread would not have come about...they did win the game. If they lost the game, then what would have happened? You really would be after Dungy I guess.

I also think it's terrible to not give credit to Dungy for those 53 wins in 4 1/4 seasons...not many coaches that I can recall have that type of record. The Colts can't beat the Pats in the playoffs...guess what? No one seems to be able to...Denver at home last season was able to. The year the Bucs won they did not have to face the best team of that era...the New England Patriots who did not make the playoffs that year in the middle of their 3 SB victories...I doubt Gruden and the Bucs could have beaten any of those 3 SB winners from NE...and and and Dungy has had to face them throughout his tenure as HC.

Why the Dungy hate? Cause he doesn't act like an ### on the sidelines where you would ring a refs neck...because he doesn't yell at the players on the field...do you have any idea what he does do behind closed doors? Do you think he just quietly hands out a gameplan and never mutters a word all week...he doesn't yell at his guys cause he doesn't have to. How many penalties have the Colts averaged while Dungy has been the coach...that's the mark of a well coached team. How bout when he was HC of the Bucs? I might have to look it up but I bet it's pretty low. Not many character issues on the Bucs or Colts either...you don't see them pulled over for DUIs all the time...not many of them get suspended for dirty hits or off field domestic violence issues...the Colts are pretty clean and a team you would want your kids to root for. Dungy plays the game his way, in my view he plays the game the right way.

Dungy is the kind of guy that's easy to cheer for and always it baffled when colts fans don't get it.

pizzatyme:

Did he win the Superbowl in Minny or Tampa? Did Gruden?

Has manning ever won a championship at any level? Has Polian? Would you rather have Gruden coaching the colts? Because I bet a lot of Bucs fans would trade ya right about now. The idea of even talking about firing the coach of a team that has won 19 of it's last 22 games is mindblowing.

Is it that difficult to understand that we feel we have the talent to succeed in most phases of the game but not the coaching or schemes to get it done?Geez, let's hire Rudy Guilliani to coach the Colts. He seems like a nice guy too.

If the ultimate goal is to win a Superbowl, then all aspects of a team must be considered! Just because a coach is nice, doesn't mean he is above scrutiny!

What about a coach that is nice and has won 19 of his last 22 games? How many NFL games has Rudy Guilliani won? That's the thing, Dungy and the colt are winning a ton of games. It seems the colts fans just expect that and don't recognize or enjoy the gigantic accomplishment their team has made and is continuing to make. Yes, they have no rings to show for it, but sometimes that's just the breaks. How many of Dungy's seasons have the colts lost to the eventual champ for example?

What is Dungy's playoff record with the Colts? What is it the last 2 seasons? It doesn't matter who the eventual champion was, it matters that it wasn't the Colts. The AFC has been superior to the NFC for what, 6 years now? Polian is a great drafter of talent on offense. Not on defense!

Dungy is a great communicator and inspirational leader.

Dungy is not a great, in-game motivator. This is painfully obvious to someone who has seen 10-12 games per year in person since he's been here!

Ron Meeks, Defensive Coordinator, is not a great defensive tactician.

 

[bostonfred]

antibumping this to fix the time zone issue

 

[cstu]

This is the year the Colts win the Super Bowl.They can't consistently get a run game going, their run defense is one of the worst I've seen in quite some time, they're getting caught in close games with some teams they should easily beat, this team is a shred of what it was last year.With the way that the wild and crazy NFL works, that can only mean that they'll have MORE success this year.

Wouldn't surprise me at all that the worst Colts team in recent years finally goes all the way.

 

[BigRed]

Is it that difficult to understand that we feel we have the talent to succeed in most phases of the game but not the coaching or schemes to get it done?

I would have thought that you would have figured out long before this post that for some people it is, but points for trying. Nice to know someone else gets it though; good posts and recaps. Likewise to JohnnyU. With all that offense and PLENTY of time to build a good D, there's no way we should be quickly exiting the playoffs year after year, but between some blatantly poor personnel decisions by Polian and not just Dungy's demeanor but being very weak at making adjustments (presuming he makes any), it has doomed this team in the playoffs year after year. I was almost (repeat almost) half-glad Big Ben made that tackle last year and Vandy missed the kick because we had no business winning that game anyway. PS and oh btw, Dungy didn't come into a pathetic team and mastermind some quick turnaround; Polian and Mora did, and it was largley through drafting Manning. Dungy was hired PRECISELY because he is known for building a good D and again it's not all his fault, but he hasn't done it. I said when he was hired that Dungy will make/keep the Colts good but never win a SB with the Colts, despite the incredible talent on the team. He and Polian - who like Dungy is good but very often overrated - are largely to blame. Polian is esp. spotty at best in drafting/getting/keeping defensive personnel, and surprise surprise, once again their D is their achilles heel. Polian routinely lets good D players get away and overpays undersized DL and what a shock, our run D sucks and it bites us time and time again. I know Dungy's scheme doesn't rely on big fatties to plug the middle, but going to the other extreme - ESPECIALLY at DT - is stupid. And if they are so against big fatties, why sign Simon? Despite his Haystacks Calhoun-like girth and probably being better at it than anyone else on the team, he isn't known for being a run-stopping stud either. And finally I'm glad to see someone else gets that Freeney sucks vs the run and is hardly of the best DEs around. Love his QB pressuring ability where is he awesome, but DEs also have to be able to hold up vs the run.The sad part is that Dungy and Polian do well enough that their jobs are secure for Manning's career if not more. Unless things change in a hurry, no way do they win a SB in his career. c ya next year.