The Crusades- not what you might have been taught (1 Viewer)

[Workhorse]

2. Cossack Uprising 2 million Jews is our best estimate.

you fancy yourself a historian estimator

No, they teach you this in Jew school, along with who makes the best bagel and how to secretly control the media in order to make them pro-Israeli.

Seems like the same teachings I received in Parochial school

So, who does make the best bagel?

That's a secret I cannot divulge.

And you guys wonder why you get the sword.

Let's leave brit milah out of this.

 

[Gr00vus]

This topic again.

Here's a more informative, brief article.

Hopefully it offsets some of the bizarre revisionist history stated by a few misinformed posters in this thread.

I find it humorous when people use the "reclaim the holy city" justification as if it trumps everything. We're all aware that Jerusalem is one of the major holy cities for Islam (two of the most important mosques reside there, including the dome of the rock from which Muhammad was to have ascended to heaven), as well as the holy city for the Jewsl (the very same rock is believed to be the one at which Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac by the Jews for instance).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

A lot of people may not realize this but there was more than one Crusade. Some have counted as many as 13-17, but most count 9, I believe.

https://themedievalera.wikispaces.com/The+Crusades+-+1st+Crusade

In fact, many were against other Christians, including the 1st Crusade which ended up with a wild, rogue, unprofessional army which sacked the co-capital of Christianity itself, Constantinope, Byzantium, and of course the Albigensian Crusdae, against the Cathars, which was the largest of teh Crusades that went against various heretics and infidels.

The Kingdom of Jerusalem last about 90 years, longer than Israel's existence to date.

With the President himself now raising this as being "about Christ" his words" and considering he believes this to be a proper counterweight to what muslim fundamentalists charge about the west (Christendom), well maybe it's worth examining anew and again as apparently this is on "us" and justifies what has been going in the mideast since 2001.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

A lot of people may not realize this but there was more than one Crusade.

Is there anyone out there who calls it "The Crusade"?

Everyone knows there was more than one.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Five worst events ever to befall the Jewish people:

1. The Holocaust 1941-1945

2. The Cossack Uprising 1649-1653

3. The Crusades 1000-1200

4. The Spanish Inquisition 1492-1510

5. Russian Pogroms 1890-1910

I didn't expect that.

 

[jon_mx]

Five worst events ever to befall the Jewish people:

1. The Holocaust 1941-1945

2. The Cossack Uprising 1649-1653

3. The Crusades 1000-1200

4. The Spanish Inquisition 1492-1510

5. Russian Pogroms 1890-1910

I didn't expect that.

On the magnitute of 30K over a hundred years. For that time period stated, the number would be smaller. Undoubtably an ugly period of time and no excuse for that kind of brutality. Stalin, not listed, on the order of a million Jews.

 

[timschochet]

Five worst events ever to befall the Jewish people:

1. The Holocaust 1941-1945

2. The Cossack Uprising 1649-1653

3. The Crusades 1000-1200

4. The Spanish Inquisition 1492-1510

5. Russian Pogroms 1890-1910

I didn't expect that.

On the magnitute of 30K over a hundred years. For that time period stated, the number would be smaller. Undoubtably an ugly period of time and no excuse for that kind of brutality. Stalin, not listed, on the order of a million Jews.

Just for reference:

1. The Spanish Inquisition was not terrible because of the numbers of people killed but because of the number of people forced to uproot and leave their homes and wealth- nearly the entire Jewish community in western Europe. This dislocation caused centuries of misery for the Jewish people.

2. Stalin, until the end of his life with the Doctors' Plot, did not target Jews. Everyone who lived under Stalin's regime suffered, especially the Ukraine, which had a large Jewish population, and that accounts for most of the million lost during this period (overall nearly 14 million Ukrainians were killed.) But the tragedy of Stalin's collectivization of the Ukraine was not a Jewish tragedy.

 

[cstu]

historian bernard lewis is a cheerleader for the current administration's foreign policy within the middle east. needless to say, he is not without controversy.

Those references to Kemal fail to realize that he was a literal George Washington to the Turkish people and was only able to do the things he did because he was worshiped there.

Not remotely comparable to a foreign power, especially a non-Muslim one, invading a country and forcing changes on the people.

 

[AAABatteries]

Five worst events ever to befall the Jewish people:

1. The Holocaust 1941-1945

2. The Cossack Uprising 1649-1653

3. The Crusades 1000-1200

4. The Spanish Inquisition 1492-1510

5. Russian Pogroms 1890-1910

I didn't expect that.

 

[jon_mx]

Five worst events ever to befall the Jewish people:

1. The Holocaust 1941-1945

2. The Cossack Uprising 1649-1653

3. The Crusades 1000-1200

4. The Spanish Inquisition 1492-1510

5. Russian Pogroms 1890-1910

I didn't expect that.

On the magnitute of 30K over a hundred years. For that time period stated, the number would be smaller. Undoubtably an ugly period of time and no excuse for that kind of brutality. Stalin, not listed, on the order of a million Jews.

Just for reference:

1. The Spanish Inquisition was not terrible because of the numbers of people killed but because of the number of people forced to uproot and leave their homes and wealth- nearly the entire Jewish community in western Europe. This dislocation caused centuries of misery for the Jewish people.

2. Stalin, until the end of his life with the Doctors' Plot, did not target Jews. Everyone who lived under Stalin's regime suffered, especially the Ukraine, which had a large Jewish population, and that accounts for most of the million lost during this period (overall nearly 14 million Ukrainians were killed.) But the tragedy of Stalin's collectivization of the Ukraine was not a Jewish tragedy.

So because Stalin was an atheist it did not count?

 

[Sand]

Interesting image of the Muslim and Crusade battles of the time. Puts a bit of perspective into things - particularly with regards to Obama's moral equivalence statements during the prayer breakfast.

 

[glumpy]

Interesting image of the Muslim and Crusade battles of the time. Puts a bit of perspective into things - particularly with regards to Obama's moral equivalence statements during the prayer breakfast.

You know, if one happened to wander into this thread without preamble--that does not look promising.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Why the counting of deaths of individual religious?

We should measure how many people overall, on both sides, are killed to determine the brutality.

Its this grouping of people in the first place that perpetuates the violence and hatred.

 

[icecat4270]

Five worst events ever to befall the Jewish people:

1. The Holocaust 1941-1945

2. The Cossack Uprising 1649-1653

3. The Crusades 1000-1200

4. The Spanish Inquisition 1492-1510

5. Russian Pogroms 1890-1910

I didn't expect that.

You're not alone.

 

[cstu]

Interesting image of the Muslim and Crusade battles of the time. Puts a bit of perspective into things - particularly with regards to Obama's moral equivalence statements during the prayer breakfast.

If you ignore every other battle by Christians during that time.