benson_will_lead_the_way
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Who will win it and what can we honestly expect from a production stand point?
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The Dallas RB situation (1 Viewer)
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Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
GO JACKIE BATTLE!!! 
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
It's not really about who will win the job. The job is Julius Jones plain and simple. He will not lose it. Now, for fantasy relevance I think I target MBIII because you can probably get him a round later and should score equally if not more than JJ.
you're crazy! JJ has done nothing in camp, and Barber continues to look good and get ALL the goaline runs and catches! Barber has more value IMO.
Kleck.
Footballguy
Jones went 3-4 rounds after MBIII in most of the drafts I've been in.
Rushmore
Footballguy
Notice the same.... he's the one I target of the two.
I still say that Julius can be a da*n good back IF GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY. His rookie year, he was good. 2nd year, had the shoulder injury and Smelly Tuna made up some "he can't carry the ball 20sumthin times a game". My ACE! Why don't we let him try? I hope he blows up this year....way too much MBIII hype. Yes, he's good...but JJ did a lot of the work between the 20's. Why can't he stay in on 3rd downs? He's a better screen back anyways. Maybe his blitz pickup isn't as well, but neither was Tunas theory of hit the gap regardless if a hole is opened.
konastitch
Footballguy
I'm projecting the following for these two guys:
Julius Jones - 950-1050 yards rushing, 4-6 TDs...150-200 yards receiving, 1-2 TDs
MBIII - 750-850 yards rushing, 8-10 TDs...250-300 yards receiving, 3-4 TDs
I still think Julius gets the most work on 1st and 2nd downs with MBIII coming in as a COP, 3rd down, GL back.
Not a whole heck of a lot of change from last year IMO.
Julius Jones - 950-1050 yards rushing, 4-6 TDs...150-200 yards receiving, 1-2 TDs
MBIII - 750-850 yards rushing, 8-10 TDs...250-300 yards receiving, 3-4 TDs
I still think Julius gets the most work on 1st and 2nd downs with MBIII coming in as a COP, 3rd down, GL back.
Not a whole heck of a lot of change from last year IMO.
just because he got more carries doesnt mean he was better with them, and if you look at his 1st down carries you will see he put the boys in what had to be plenty of 2 and longs...JJ carried the ball 199 times for 877 yards between the 20s for a 4.4ypc
Barber carried the ball 77 times for 441 yards between the 20s for a 5.73ypc
on 1st down carries:
Barber: 63/296 7TDs 4.7ypc
JJ: 179/679 2TDs 3.8ypc
now of Barbers 63 carries 13 of them were 1st and goal carries for a total of 30 yards and 7TDs...if you remove those carries then Barber averaged 5.32ypc on 1st down vs JJs 3.8ypc and fwiw 54% of Barbers carries came on 1st down, only 25% of his carries came on 3rd down.
also when Barber carried the ball 10 times or more the cowboys won(9games) in the games he carried it less they lost...as an eagles fan I hope they give barber the ball TWICE a game!
I dont know what they will do down in Little D but the numbers sure make a strong case for Barber to get more carries vs JJ
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that is somewhat of a misnomer when you look and see that 54% of barbers carries were on 1st down(21% of them were 1st and goal though)...and only 25% of his carries occurred on 3rd downbut i do agree that we wont see much of a change this yr...that is unless JJ gets INJURED AGAIN(he has missed 11 of 48 games)
benson_will_lead_the_way
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I know I know....I just wanted to rivals some people up....choice 3 would've been easy. I got sick of arguing against Kevin Jones and for Cedric Benson(other threads)....lol
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
If its a true 50/50 open competition, many NFL coaches would reflect that by starting Barber in the next preseason game. If Barber starts the next game, I'd give Barber around a 45% chance of winning the job. If Jones starts again in the second game, I'd give Jones at least a 75% chance of keeping the job.
Of note in the first game is that Jones started and was rested like a starter While Barber played quite a bit as would a backup. Also of note was that Jones stayed in the first drive until Dallas got inside the 20... where Barber replaced him. This gives the impression that their roles havent changed a whole lot with the new staff.
Of note in the first game is that Jones started and was rested like a starter While Barber played quite a bit as would a backup. Also of note was that Jones stayed in the first drive until Dallas got inside the 20... where Barber replaced him. This gives the impression that their roles havent changed a whole lot with the new staff.
Tyrion
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I think Barber looked better that JJ last year because the Cowboy line was not all that good. Barber looks better than JJ in the first 2-3 yards. The line this year is MUCH better. There are going to be some huge holes on the right side of that line and I expect to see JJ shine. JJ makes great plays in the open field. That being said Barber is still going to get the goal line TDs.
Wu-banger
Footballguy
not sure why everyone needs to rush to judge one over the other....
What Dallas has in Jones and Barber both excelling in their roles is one very good backfield with two backs that compliment each other well.
It might not be what we are looking for Fantasy wise, but in real football it works..
What Dallas has in Jones and Barber both excelling in their roles is one very good backfield with two backs that compliment each other well.
It might not be what we are looking for Fantasy wise, but in real football it works..
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
This is the NFL.......of course Julius Jones can lose the starting job. From what I'm seeing, Marion Barber is looking very impressive. As a new head coach and a guy who's been given a shot of a lifetime in being the head coach in Dallas, Phillips is going to play who's going to give that team the best chance to win.I think playing them both does that, but as time goes on I think we'll see Barber getting the majority of carries in a game as well as the TD carries. He's making guys miss, he's blocking blitzers and he can catch the football.He's not as good.....but when I see him run and play, he reminds me of Stephen Jackson. They have that same kind of solid build but are very fast and deliver a hit to the oncoming tackler when there's contact.
ForbiddenDoughnut
Footballguy
It is important to note that playcalling also had an impact on the YPC numbers of these two players. Barber would get a lot of cheap yards on draw plays. One of Parcells' favorite plays was a draw play on first down during a two-minute drill. When Julius was in, in non-passing downs between the 20s, the defense knew a run was coming, and he did not get the benefit of the types of plays that Barber did.
Those cheap yards still count, and count for the same number of points, of course. And in watching last night's preseason game, Barber's best run of the night came on a 3rd down draw play. Also, he was in on third downs and in the red zone with the starting offense, so there is reason to believe that the substitution patterns and playcalling will hold to form from last season despite the coaching change.
Barber is a much tougher runner, and that is the reason he is (rightfully, in my opinion) called upon in short yardage and 3rd-down situations, but strictly looking at YPC to see who is more effective (and should thus get a majority of the carries), is a mistake, in my opinion.
Those cheap yards still count, and count for the same number of points, of course. And in watching last night's preseason game, Barber's best run of the night came on a 3rd down draw play. Also, he was in on third downs and in the red zone with the starting offense, so there is reason to believe that the substitution patterns and playcalling will hold to form from last season despite the coaching change.
Barber is a much tougher runner, and that is the reason he is (rightfully, in my opinion) called upon in short yardage and 3rd-down situations, but strictly looking at YPC to see who is more effective (and should thus get a majority of the carries), is a mistake, in my opinion.
I really don't see much change from last year. this will continue to be a committee situation. Each runner has a different skill set, and the coaching staff will be smart enough to give each RB an opportunity to maximize his talent based upon the situation: JJ will play on first and second downs, MB will handle 3rd downs, short yardage, and goaline packages. No job was won or lost based upon last night's game and nothing leads me to believe that a major shift is going to take place.
FFdork
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Yep I'm with everyone else. They have two good backs and they'll use them both to keep them both fresh on a team that has Superbowl aspirations. Both had their moments last night.
Someone els pointed this out , but if you're hoping to snag Barber late you've got it backwards, at least for now. There is a general assumption out there that he would be the "starter" coming off his strong performance last year. Perhaps that will change as the preseason sheds light on the situation.
Someone els pointed this out , but if you're hoping to snag Barber late you've got it backwards, at least for now. There is a general assumption out there that he would be the "starter" coming off his strong performance last year. Perhaps that will change as the preseason sheds light on the situation.
Here are ALL of barbers 1st down carries in the 2 minute warning(he actually only had 8 carries for 40 yards and of those carries only 2 were for double digit yardage(10 & 11 yards))1st-10=11yrdsForbiddenDoughnut said:
1st-4=no gain
1st-10=5yrds
1st-10=6yards
1st-5=no gain
1st-10=10yrds
1st-10=7yrds
1st-10=1yrd
...21 of barbers 63 1st down carries were either in the 2min offense or as 1st and goals and on those 21 carries he only averaged 3.3ypc vs 5.38ypc on his other 42 1st down carries...so the EASY YARDS ARGUMENT doesnt really hold much weight...again for some reason that seems to be the perception but the stats dont show the same story....i guess in the end i am just
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