Chase Stuart
Footballguy
More thoughts in a little bit, but one non-spoiler reaction: Anne Hathaway was much better than I expected. She actually added to the film, instead of killing it.
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The Dark Knight Rises Villains Announced (1 Viewer)
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Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I like the way she handles a Batcycle.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Just saw it and enjoyed it more than I thought I would after some of the reviews I saw. Too much nitpicking from some. But overall I really liked it. 
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Agree. Thought she was very good.
Bogart
Footballguy
Those stills will be fap material for an entire 
cstu
Footballguy
What was the point of introducing the Robin character if Nolan isn't going to continue the series and Joseph Gordon-Levitt won't be Robin even if it does?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Get people talking? Leave open the door even if it's not a lock?I remember people thought Mr. Reese was code for Mysteries, and that character was going to become the Riddler.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Big Ben, Keisel, Wallace, Pouncey and Ward were the ones I noticed
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Spoilers....
I think I'm a little disappointed in this, but mostly because the first two movies were so awesome. It was good, and I'll definitely see it again, but I think there were a lot of things that just weren't done well.
The first movie was incredible because we learned the origin of Bruce Wayne turning into Batman, and seemed relatively believable. The second movie had its flaws, but Ledger was so ridiculous that it was awesome.
This movie seemed to lack a real identity. First, they try to introduce four new characters, and failed on half of them. Bane was great, although they ####ed up his voice. Hathaway was good, although she wasn't developed all that well. How did she become so skilled? What was her plan? But her development was legendary compared to what they did with Miranda Tate. Oof. Finally, John Blake's character had as much depth as a razor blade. Adding in four characters was two too many, IMO.
I know, I know, I need to suspend disbelief, but two central things just struck me as ridiculous:
1) Bane breaks Batman's back, but the prison doctor fixes it with a piece of rope and Batman is as good as ever? I mean come on. He's got vertebrate sticking out of his back for months, but a couple of snaps and he's ready to go?
2) Someone said earlier that they felt like Scott Evil watching Dr. Evil kill Austin Powers with sharks with lasers on their heads. Felt the same way. At first, I thought the point was to leave Gotham before the nuclear bomb goes off, but that didn't even seem to be the plan. Seemed way too Hollywood ridiculous. I get wanting to torture Batman's sole, but the suspension of disbelief was a little too much on the nuclear bomb.
Bane was great, although I wish I could have fully understood everything he said. But the way he died was crap. For starters, he all of the sudden lost a fistfight to Batman? WTF? They may as well have had Batman hulk up before fighting him. And then I couldn't really figure out what was happening with his mask, was he dying at the end, no he's crying, oh now Catwoman/Batgirl is going to shoot her (let's be real, she was basically Batgirl for half the movie).
Alfred is my favorite side character in the series, and they totally messed his role up in this movie. Why?
The fight scene with Bane where basically everyone cleared out of the way was pretty bad, as others implied. Why couldn't some cop shoot Bane in the head? Joker at least hid from everyone.
Also, was that prison cell overseas? I guess I thought it was underground in Gotham?
A few other things:
What was up with Ra's al Ghul? I guess Wayne just envisioned that, but him telling backstory was odd to me.
Wayne losing his fortune was just annoying. I don't know why, but him losing control of the company in that way and going bankrupt bothered me.
The kiss with Anne Hathaway at the end was the definition of Hollywood cheese. That bothered me a little bit, but oh well.
In the end, I enjoyed it and will see it again, but only because it's a cap to an incredible trilogy. But for a 3-hour movie, they tried to stuff in too much and some of it felt rushed. We didn't even get that much depth into Wayne/Batman in the movie. It was almost a phone in job, and nothing compared to what we saw from Batman in BB or TDK.
I think I'm a little disappointed in this, but mostly because the first two movies were so awesome. It was good, and I'll definitely see it again, but I think there were a lot of things that just weren't done well.
The first movie was incredible because we learned the origin of Bruce Wayne turning into Batman, and seemed relatively believable. The second movie had its flaws, but Ledger was so ridiculous that it was awesome.
This movie seemed to lack a real identity. First, they try to introduce four new characters, and failed on half of them. Bane was great, although they ####ed up his voice. Hathaway was good, although she wasn't developed all that well. How did she become so skilled? What was her plan? But her development was legendary compared to what they did with Miranda Tate. Oof. Finally, John Blake's character had as much depth as a razor blade. Adding in four characters was two too many, IMO.
I know, I know, I need to suspend disbelief, but two central things just struck me as ridiculous:
1) Bane breaks Batman's back, but the prison doctor fixes it with a piece of rope and Batman is as good as ever? I mean come on. He's got vertebrate sticking out of his back for months, but a couple of snaps and he's ready to go?
2) Someone said earlier that they felt like Scott Evil watching Dr. Evil kill Austin Powers with sharks with lasers on their heads. Felt the same way. At first, I thought the point was to leave Gotham before the nuclear bomb goes off, but that didn't even seem to be the plan. Seemed way too Hollywood ridiculous. I get wanting to torture Batman's sole, but the suspension of disbelief was a little too much on the nuclear bomb.
Bane was great, although I wish I could have fully understood everything he said. But the way he died was crap. For starters, he all of the sudden lost a fistfight to Batman? WTF? They may as well have had Batman hulk up before fighting him. And then I couldn't really figure out what was happening with his mask, was he dying at the end, no he's crying, oh now Catwoman/Batgirl is going to shoot her (let's be real, she was basically Batgirl for half the movie).
Alfred is my favorite side character in the series, and they totally messed his role up in this movie. Why?
The fight scene with Bane where basically everyone cleared out of the way was pretty bad, as others implied. Why couldn't some cop shoot Bane in the head? Joker at least hid from everyone.
Also, was that prison cell overseas? I guess I thought it was underground in Gotham?
A few other things:
What was up with Ra's al Ghul? I guess Wayne just envisioned that, but him telling backstory was odd to me.
Wayne losing his fortune was just annoying. I don't know why, but him losing control of the company in that way and going bankrupt bothered me.
The kiss with Anne Hathaway at the end was the definition of Hollywood cheese. That bothered me a little bit, but oh well.
In the end, I enjoyed it and will see it again, but only because it's a cap to an incredible trilogy. But for a 3-hour movie, they tried to stuff in too much and some of it felt rushed. We didn't even get that much depth into Wayne/Batman in the movie. It was almost a phone in job, and nothing compared to what we saw from Batman in BB or TDK.
simsarge
Footballguy
Two Quick questions:
1.When Bane brought the bomb to the stadium he said that someone in the stadium had the detonator, and they should all go home and then they'd find out who. But they never followed up on this point right?
2. If the game is called on account of the stadium being destroyed by a Sean Connery talking through a empty toilet paper roll sounding Madman, does the TD still count?
1.When Bane brought the bomb to the stadium he said that someone in the stadium had the detonator, and they should all go home and then they'd find out who. But they never followed up on this point right?
2. If the game is called on account of the stadium being destroyed by a Sean Connery talking through a empty toilet paper roll sounding Madman, does the TD still count?
cstu
Footballguy
Same here - I can't remember the last time I saw a movie in a theater and watched this one at the Arclight Cinerama dome in Hollywood. Difficult not to enjoy a movie there.
I understand you are going through your laundry list - but there's nothing in here that severe.As for the bolded part, it was mentioned that Bane is in severe chronic misery made manageable by his mask. When Batman breaks the mask, you see Bane lose control - such as swinging wildly and punching the column after Bats was well clear of it. That made him vulnerable.
I didn't care for Bats being saved by Cats. And they could have written out of the story and not missed a beat.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I understand how Batmanophiles could nitpick, but I absolutely loved this movie. Dragged a little bit in the beginning - but once the action started I thought it was phenomenal. I understand this was the fianl movie but it left me wanting another one. Never saw the Miranda Tate thing coming. Called the Robin thing as soon as the character was introduced.
boubucarow
Footballguy
You are right that Bane fought wildly after his mask was damaged. What mattered initially was that Batman was prepared for the fight this time. In the first fight Bane made a couple comments about how Batman was fighting without the fear of dying so it was easy to telegraph his movement. Batman was much more in control in the 2nd fight allowing him to concentrate. It was the major theme of the film.
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Fensalk
Footballguy
whatevs"Bats?"
Better point than mine. It shows in the movie. The first clash with Bane, Bats is like a mad bull - charging in repeatedly as he expected to prevail and was fearless. The second clash seemed to be more strategic on Bats part - which included breaking the mask and sending Bane into his rage.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Another little thing that bothered me is how Gotham was a different city in each of the three films. I was watching Batman Begins again last night and the city is the more stylized Gotham, with only the Narrows separated from the mainland. I haven't watched the Dark Knight in a while but from what I remember, Gotham was pretty clearly Chicago. Then for Dark Night Rises it basically becomes New York City, with most of the population and important buildings isolated on an island. This may still be nitpicking, but the lack of continuity does take me out of the story. Particularly odd when you have the same director and production crew positioning the story an epic trilogy arc, and they obviously did it in Rises just because they needed a convenient way to have everyone trapped in the city.
This is one thing Marvel has done a brilliant job of in their films, IMO. Maintaining tight continuity across all of their films, both visually and story continuity.
This is one thing Marvel has done a brilliant job of in their films, IMO. Maintaining tight continuity across all of their films, both visually and story continuity.
Fensalk
Footballguy
From watching the films, I felt the production values for Batman Begins were lower than the other two films. It gave Gotham a different look.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
For me this is all because of what Nolan usually brings to the table. I didn't think it would have been that much of a drop off from the other two for me. I am not a comic nerd, and don't nitpick for the sake of nitpicking. However, when I am as disengaged in a movie as I was in this one the little things really do add up for me. The Avengers had just as many problems with it, but it did a much better job of sticking to it's guns and taking everybody along for the ride. At the end of this one, the little things added up to a lot of silliness. Sure it's a superhero movie, but the universe that was created with the first two was nowhere near this implausible with people surviving nuclear blasts, seemingly teleporting from a prison, etc.. Nolan hadn't made a bad film up to this point, and this one was toeing the line of 'bad' for me.
Insein
Footballguy
But none of them returned the kickoff. I didn't notice them cause I'm not a Steelers fan. Ward I only knew because of the previews.
Insein
Footballguy
I agree with everything you said... and still gave it an 80% on RT. Its good but not great.
Insein
Footballguy
Really? I was the other way around. I figured Blake was just some guy that would be the next Batman. Didn't think that he was going to be the Robin. Tate was transparent from the moment you saw her. She was a bad guy. Only thing I didn't guess was that she was Ras Ah Gul's daughter and the ring leader. Never read Knightfall and don't know anything about her character but what I've read of Bane, I felt that her character cheapened his in this movie a little. Bane was supposed to be the mastermind and the ringleader not the #1 henchman. But yes still a good movie.
fsufan
Footballguy
Premier
Footballguy
Yea. It's kind of weird to see the things people nitpick in a movie about a guy dressed up as a bat battling a woman dressed up as a cat and a lunatic with a talking mask.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Well, we saw Batman forced to try to save his grand plan (Dent) or the love of his life (Rachel) in the last movie, and he wound up saving neither and was sent into exile. So it's not like we had to expect a Schwarzenegger ending.Yea. It's kind of weird to see the things people nitpick in a movie about a guy dressed up as a bat battling a woman dressed up as a cat and a lunatic with a talking mask.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Nitpick? It was a giant mess of a movie.Yea. It's kind of weird to see the things people nitpick in a movie about a guy dressed up as a bat battling a woman dressed up as a cat and a lunatic with a talking mask.
Instinctive
Footballguy
This would have implications for Fantasy games in the rest of the country. Not enough on that angle.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Only if a ref survived to give a signal. Or could the replay official confirm it?
Insein
Footballguy
Now we're talking serious business.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Bane sounded like an old man. That's really my only gripe. Sounds like Heston. "It's people!"
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Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Well who's to say he needed to teleport - the pit scenery lookd like summertime in New Jersey to me...as for the survival of the nuclear blast, I think it was implied that he put the vehicle on autopilot, jumped in to the sea and was saved by Aquaman and/or the Wonder Twins.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Yeah, I didn't like the voice at all and especially at th ehigher decibel level of a movie theater which made it, at times, impossible to understand what could have been important dialogue.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I can't wait for Nolan, Bail, Gordon-Lewitt to jump in and do a fourth one with The Riddler.
Jim Carrey as a much darker Riddler would be sweet to see.
Jim Carrey as a much darker Riddler would be sweet to see.
fsufan
Footballguy
child pleaseNitpick? It was a giant mess of a movie.Yea. It's kind of weird to see the things people nitpick in a movie about a guy dressed up as a bat battling a woman dressed up as a cat and a lunatic with a talking mask.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
saw it on Monday and liked it. Anne Hathaway in a cat suit is surprisingly awesome. only a few minor complaints:
- Bane's voice. not really what I expected, and it didn't really work for me. on the plus side, there was less Batman growling, so maybe that's a wash.
- I like Joe Gordon Leavitt as an actor, and they gave him absolutely nothing to do with his character.
- Bane's voice. not really what I expected, and it didn't really work for me. on the plus side, there was less Batman growling, so maybe that's a wash.
- I like Joe Gordon Leavitt as an actor, and they gave him absolutely nothing to do with his character.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Without digging through nine pages, have we discussed the audio mix for this movie?
It's not just Bane's voice that's the problem (actually, I didn't have a problem with it at all), it's that nearly half the movie's dialog is drowned out by the thunderous, repetitive score. About 2/3 of the way through I honestly got angry with it.
Good show overall though.
It's not just Bane's voice that's the problem (actually, I didn't have a problem with it at all), it's that nearly half the movie's dialog is drowned out by the thunderous, repetitive score. About 2/3 of the way through I honestly got angry with it.
Good show overall though.
saintfool
Dead sexy
same problem he had with JGL in "inception", i think.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I think I am the only one before Andy to mention the sound. The "music" was too loud throughout.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Plus...there was just too much of it. If you have too much score, it reduces the impact when you use it for the truly dramatic scenes. It's nearly constant through the entire movie.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
I think the music contributed to the rushed feeling of the movie. Like, Batman breaks his back and spends five months rehabbing it while Bane runs the city, and audience has no sense that any time at all has passed because the music has been doing the urgent BUM-bum-bum-BUM-bum-bum-BUM-bum thing literally the entire time.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
I knew something was up with her since there was too much dissing of her by other characters near the end, but I never guessed that she was the mastermind. Spending all that time building up Bane's character just to make him a lackey at the end was anti-climatic. However, it did set up very well why he'd go off with Catwoman at the end - after all, every 'good' girl he liked ended up betraying him. Blake as Robin was transparent from the get go since there was no other reason to make some random cop know all about Batman and also happen to have an interesting backstory.
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Charlie Frown
Footballguy
It was a mess. I still liked it. Is that wrong?Nitpick? It was a giant mess of a movie.Yea. It's kind of weird to see the things people nitpick in a movie about a guy dressed up as a bat battling a woman dressed up as a cat and a lunatic with a talking mask.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I think just to show that Bruce Wayne is retired, but that there is still somebody to protect Gotham. The bat-signal is fixed. Robin John Blake will be Batman, not the super hero character of Robin. Although I do not see them making any movies with JGL as Nolan's Batman.
