What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

The Dark Knight Rises Villains Announced (2 Viewers)

Joker was better than Bane though IMO. I don't know if that is how his voice was conceived to sound but I felt like Sean Connery was the villain at certain points because of that baffling accent. Was he Algerian, British or Scottish? I couldn't tell at times.
I thought it was played by Scooby Doo at times.
 
I loved it.

My biggest complaint was Hines Ward in the movie. That really took me out of it for a moment. It served no purpose and I wonder why it was even done.

 
I loved it.My biggest complaint was Hines Ward in the movie. That really took me out of it for a moment. It served no purpose and I wonder why it was even done.
I'm sure a lot of those guys were real football players but he was the only famous one. They probably asked him and he said yes. I wouldn't turn down being in one of the potentially biggest movies of all time.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I loved it.

My biggest complaint was Hines Ward in the movie. That really took me out of it for a moment. It served no purpose and I wonder why it was even done.
I'm sure a lot of those guys were real football players but he was the only famous one. They probably asked him and he said yes. I wouldn't turn down being in one of the potentially biggest movies of all time.
I agree but I wonder why Nolan would do it. It just seemed stupid. I figure most people watching the movie wont even notice but to a football fan it just took me out of the moment for a bit. I still think Tarantino putting Mike Myers in Inglorious Bastards was worse but not by much.
 
I loved it.My biggest complaint was Hines Ward in the movie. That really took me out of it for a moment. It served no purpose and I wonder why it was even done.
I'm sure a lot of those guys were real football players but he was the only famous one. They probably asked him and he said yes. I wouldn't turn down being in one of the potentially biggest movies of all time.
I saw Big Ben, too. as they panned the sidelines during the national anthemedit: and bill cowher
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I loved it.My biggest complaint was Hines Ward in the movie. That really took me out of it for a moment. It served no purpose and I wonder why it was even done.
I'm sure a lot of those guys were real football players but he was the only famous one. They probably asked him and he said yes. I wouldn't turn down being in one of the potentially biggest movies of all time.
I saw Big Ben, too. as they panned the sidelines during the national anthemedit: and bill cowher
Thankfully I missed that.
 
Hines Ward couldn't outrun no splosion, took me out of the movie!
Yes this was the most outlandish thing in the entire movie and thus the deal breaker. :rolleyes: I'm not even a steelers fan but cmon. Plus he's been in the previews for a year. I would have thought people would be over it by now.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I thought it was okay. Batman Begins is still my personal favorite of the three, and this felt like a sizable step down from both of the predecessors. Too much transparent look we're wrapping up a trilogy in the script, which felt sloppy overall. Dark Knight had a fairly sloppy script also but I felt the story moved better and Ledger was so compelling as the villain it was easier to overlook. I feel like on the whole the series lost the essence of Batman with this film.
:goodposting: I actually liked Batman Begins the best, but thought TDK was great as well. This one slipped quite a bit, had several moments of "that's just dumb", and was really predictable. I'd still rank the movie as a B-.

After the first try, why didn't he figure out that it was the rope that was stopping his momentum on the jump? Not to mention that the fall should have ripped him in half, but whatever.
 
I really enjoyed it, not as good as TDK but not much is.

Couple of things bothered me but didn't kill the movie for me:

1. The Romance was weak, AFAIK they'd barely even met before, they go into the house, look at a photo of his dead love and then pow.

2. Bane's "death". Didn't really think about it till later but he went out pretty quickly, assuming he did actually die.
 
I thought it was okay. Batman Begins is still my personal favorite of the three, and this felt like a sizable step down from both of the predecessors. Too much transparent look we're wrapping up a trilogy in the script, which felt sloppy overall. Dark Knight had a fairly sloppy script also but I felt the story moved better and Ledger was so compelling as the villain it was easier to overlook. I feel like on the whole the series lost the essence of Batman with this film.
:goodposting: I actually liked Batman Begins the best, but thought TDK was great as well. This one slipped quite a bit, had several moments of "that's just dumb", and was really predictable. I'd still rank the movie as a B-.

After the first try, why didn't he figure out that it was the rope that was stopping his momentum on the jump? Not to mention that the fall should have ripped him in half, but whatever.
Also, on the last try the rope wasn't there for him, and as he leaves he throws the rope down the hole. Who the hell pulled the rope up in the first place?? That whole scene rubbed me the wrong way
 
I really enjoyed it, not as good as TDK but not much is.Couple of things bothered me but didn't kill the movie for me:

1. The Romance was weak, AFAIK they'd barely even met before, they go into the house, look at a photo of his dead love and then pow.2. Bane's "death". Didn't really think about it till later but he went out pretty quickly, assuming he did actually die.
I'll add a few of mine:
1. I think by the end Bane felt like a throw away character - he wasn't coordinating the whole thing and was basically a henchman and then Catwoman takes him out with one blast? sheesh Felt like Scarecrow in the first one, but at least in Batman Begins he tells people that his boss is coming to Gotham and we actually spent enough time with Liam Neeson to make that reveal mean something. Everything just undercuts Bane's character. 2. How do people in this world think Bruce Wayne dies, and how is one of the most well known, richest playboys able to just pop up in France after faking his death?3. Just think if we are to be excited about Blake taking over the role we should have seen him do a little more. By the end of the movie Catwoman is fight along with Batman, but Blake is escorting kids across a bridge. Felt like they should have given his character a little more to do, or have him in the fight somehow. 4. Speaking of fights - one thing that drives me nuts in action movies are what we get at the courthouse scene. You have 100s of people fighting on both sides, but of course Batman and Bane get to duke it out in the middle without any henchmen trying to take out Batman or Bane. Just silly and I wish there would have been a smarter way to take out Bane instead of Batman just going in for a brawl with somebody who just supposedly broke his back.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I really enjoyed it, not as good as TDK but not much is.

Couple of things bothered me but didn't kill the movie for me:

1. The Romance was weak, AFAIK they'd barely even met before, they go into the house, look at a photo of his dead love and then pow.

2. Bane's "death". Didn't really think about it till later but he went out pretty quickly, assuming he did actually die.
I'll add a few of mine:

1. I think by the end Bane felt like a throw away character - he wasn't coordinating the whole thing and was basically a henchman and then Catwoman takes him out with one blast? sheesh Felt like Scarecrow in the first one, but at least in Batman Begins he tells people that his boss is coming to Gotham and we actually spent enough time with Liam Neeson to make that reveal mean something. Everything just undercuts Bane's character.

2. How do people in this world think Bruce Wayne dies, and how is one of the most well known, richest playboys able to just pop up in France after faking his death?

3. Just think if we are to be excited about Blake taking over the role we should have seen him do a little more. By the end of the movie Catwoman is fight along with Batman, but Blake is escorting kids across a bridge. Felt like they should have given his character a little more to do, or have him in the fight somehow.

4. Speaking of fights - one thing that drives me nuts in action movies are what we get at the courthouse scene. You have 100s of people fighting on both sides, but of course Batman and Bane get to duke it out in the middle without any henchmen trying to take out Batman or Bane. Just silly and I wish there would have been a smarter way to take out Bane instead of Batman just going in for a brawl with somebody who just supposedly broke his back.
This backs up something else I listened to in a movie podcast over here.

The critic was essentially saying that he saw similarities to Inception in the ending in that you'll see what you want to see and that it's not entirely clear cut.

He was basically suggesting that perhaps Alfred was seeing what he wanted to see.(I know other evidence like the light being fixed etc would lead you to believe that's not true, unless Wayne did that before getting himself captured).
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I loved it.My biggest complaint was Hines Ward in the movie. That really took me out of it for a moment. It served no purpose and I wonder why it was even done.
I'm sure a lot of those guys were real football players but he was the only famous one. They probably asked him and he said yes. I wouldn't turn down being in one of the potentially biggest movies of all time.
1/3 of the movie was filmed in pittsburgh. There were lots of steelers, including big ben, on the rouges. The other teams kicker was pittsburgh's mayor. The game was at heinz field and the rouges wore black and gold like the steelers.
 
I thought it was okay. Batman Begins is still my personal favorite of the three, and this felt like a sizable step down from both of the predecessors. Too much transparent look we're wrapping up a trilogy in the script, which felt sloppy overall. Dark Knight had a fairly sloppy script also but I felt the story moved better and Ledger was so compelling as the villain it was easier to overlook. I feel like on the whole the series lost the essence of Batman with this film.
:goodposting: I actually liked Batman Begins the best, but thought TDK was great as well. This one slipped quite a bit, had several moments of "that's just dumb", and was really predictable. I'd still rank the movie as a B-.

After the first try, why didn't he figure out that it was the rope that was stopping his momentum on the jump? Not to mention that the fall should have ripped him in half, but whatever.
Also, on the last try the rope wasn't there for him, and as he leaves he throws the rope down the hole. Who the hell pulled the rope up in the first place?? That whole scene rubbed me the wrong way
That was a different rope that went the full length. How do you think they got people down there from the top?
 
I still think Begins is the best movie of the 3. The Joker was so well done that people forget how well Begins came together and flowed.

This film obviously fits with Begins, but Dark Knight is an outlier really but for the concept that normal people of gotham would turn on each other (and while thats Bane and Jokers plan, we dont see anybody other than scarecrow and other league of shadow people doing anything)

 
Probably covered here or in the Game Of Thrones thread but I watched Batman Begins again this weekend and the little kid Rachel protects from Crane is Joffrey.

 
I just saw this yesterday....

IMO, they didn't do a good job with Bane's voice. At times, you couldn't understand a word he was saying and at other times, he sounded like Sean Connerey. For a movie with a 250 million budget, they should have corrected this.

 
I just saw this yesterday....IMO, they didn't do a good job with Bane's voice. At times, you couldn't understand a word he was saying and at other times, he sounded like Sean Connerey. For a movie with a 250 million budget, they should have corrected this.
Really liked the movie but this is a :goodposting: I constantly found myself turning my head one way or another trying to listen to Bane speak to see if I could make out the words. Otherwise I liked it quite a bit.. :thumbup: I remember leaving the theater after Dark Knight :confused: by all the hype.. I liked it, but there was so much going on that it took me a couple other viewings to see what others were commenting about.. this one, short of missing some of Bane's words, I walked out really liking the story and looking forward to the DVD release.
 
I actually understood Bane. I think they did change the voice to make it clearer after the initial teaser trailer. I knew it would be a but difficult though, so perhaps I was already paying particular attention to him speak.

With all the resources of the league of shadows, couldn't they have gotten access to a nuclear or dirty bomb without having to kidnap a specific scientist and using a fusion core? It's not like the bomb was particularly big, being that it exploded not to far out to sea and seemingly had no impact on Gotham.

 
I just saw this yesterday....IMO, they didn't do a good job with Bane's voice. At times, you couldn't understand a word he was saying and at other times, he sounded like Sean Connerey. For a movie with a 250 million budget, they should have corrected this.
Really liked the movie but this is a :goodposting: I constantly found myself turning my head one way or another trying to listen to Bane speak to see if I could make out the words. Otherwise I liked it quite a bit.. :thumbup: I remember leaving the theater after Dark Knight :confused: by all the hype.. I liked it, but there was so much going on that it took me a couple other viewings to see what others were commenting about.. this one, short of missing some of Bane's words, I walked out really liking the story and looking forward to the DVD release.
Another :goodposting: on Bane's voice. It was very poorly done and understanding him took so much effort at times, it took away from enjoying the movie. It became like a chore when he started talking. You had to drop the whole idea of watching the movie and focus solely on trying to understand him. :thumbdown:
 
Worst part of this movie was that Heath Ledger killed himself and we didn't get to watch the joker break out of jail and wreak havoc on Gotham.

 
That hole in the ground prison was dumb when you think about it. Ok, they can run a rope almost near the top for safety reasons. So why not climb up to the point of the jump, and once you are there, haul the ENTIRE safety rope up to that ledge, add some weight, jury rig a makeshift anchor, and then toss it from that ledge to the top of the hole. Then climb out easily? :confused:

 
That hole in the ground prison was dumb when you think about it. Ok, they can run a rope almost near the top for safety reasons. So why not climb up to the point of the jump, and once you are there, haul the ENTIRE safety rope up to that ledge, add some weight, jury rig a makeshift anchor, and then toss it from that ledge to the top of the hole. Then climb out easily? :confused:
Or, I don't know, maybe have a bunch of people climb up there and have them get on each others shoulders?
 
I loved it.

My biggest complaint was Hines Ward in the movie. That really took me out of it for a moment. It served no purpose and I wonder why it was even done.
I'm sure a lot of those guys were real football players but he was the only famous one. They probably asked him and he said yes. I wouldn't turn down being in one of the potentially biggest movies of all time.
I agree but I wonder why Nolan would do it. It just seemed stupid. I figure most people watching the movie wont even notice but to a football fan it just took me out of the moment for a bit. I still think Tarantino putting Mike Myers in Inglorious Bastards was worse but not by much.
I'm glad I didn't know about that. I didn't even bother to look to see if I recognized anyone since I never would have expected him to use real players.
 
I thought the Sean Connery voice was pretty cool. In fact, I actually thought they had Sean Connery doing the voice while some big guy just played the part. I noticed all the Steelers too - which makes sense when you saw the faux-Terrible Towels and such in the stands with everyone and the yellow color scheme...I thought it was kind of neat to use actual players instead of just nobody actors.

Anne Hathaway was great I thought - not much mention of her.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
That hole in the ground prison was dumb when you think about it. Ok, they can run a rope almost near the top for safety reasons. So why not climb up to the point of the jump, and once you are there, haul the ENTIRE safety rope up to that ledge, add some weight, jury rig a makeshift anchor, and then toss it from that ledge to the top of the hole. Then climb out easily? :confused:
Or, I don't know, maybe have a bunch of people climb up there and have them get on each others shoulders?
The prison is obviously supposed to act as a metaphor for the well he falls in as a child to discover the Batcave, so the logistics of it as an actual prison are going to leave a lot to be desired. I was bothered less by the escape from the prison than by Wayne's unexplained time getting back to the United States and back into Gotham.
 
That hole in the ground prison was dumb when you think about it. Ok, they can run a rope almost near the top for safety reasons. So why not climb up to the point of the jump, and once you are there, haul the ENTIRE safety rope up to that ledge, add some weight, jury rig a makeshift anchor, and then toss it from that ledge to the top of the hole. Then climb out easily? :confused:
Or, I don't know, maybe have a bunch of people climb up there and have them get on each others shoulders?
The prison is obviously supposed to act as a metaphor for the well he falls in as a child to discover the Batcave, so the logistics of it as an actual prison are going to leave a lot to be desired. I was bothered less by the escape from the prison than by Wayne's unexplained time getting back to the United States and back into Gotham.
This and the rushed love story were two of my main issues. And why was Wayne using a cane, and then all of a sudden a bad ### again?
 
That hole in the ground prison was dumb when you think about it. Ok, they can run a rope almost near the top for safety reasons. So why not climb up to the point of the jump, and once you are there, haul the ENTIRE safety rope up to that ledge, add some weight, jury rig a makeshift anchor, and then toss it from that ledge to the top of the hole. Then climb out easily? :confused:
Or, I don't know, maybe have a bunch of people climb up there and have them get on each others shoulders?
The prison is obviously supposed to act as a metaphor for the well he falls in as a child to discover the Batcave, so the logistics of it as an actual prison are going to leave a lot to be desired. I was bothered less by the escape from the prison than by Wayne's unexplained time getting back to the United States and back into Gotham.
This and the rushed love story were two of my main issues. And why was Wayne using a cane, and then all of a sudden a bad ### again?
Seriously, guys? You want to watch 5-10min of Bruce Wayne buying airplane tickets and flying back to Gotham? And you missed the part where he used that crazy knee-brace to fix his disability (hence, no cane)?Talk about nit-picking...

 
That hole in the ground prison was dumb when you think about it. Ok, they can run a rope almost near the top for safety reasons. So why not climb up to the point of the jump, and once you are there, haul the ENTIRE safety rope up to that ledge, add some weight, jury rig a makeshift anchor, and then toss it from that ledge to the top of the hole. Then climb out easily? :confused:
Or, I don't know, maybe have a bunch of people climb up there and have them get on each others shoulders?
The prison is obviously supposed to act as a metaphor for the well he falls in as a child to discover the Batcave, so the logistics of it as an actual prison are going to leave a lot to be desired. I was bothered less by the escape from the prison than by Wayne's unexplained time getting back to the United States and back into Gotham.
This and the rushed love story were two of my main issues. And why was Wayne using a cane, and then all of a sudden a bad ### again?
Seriously, guys? You want to watch 5-10min of Bruce Wayne buying airplane tickets and flying back to Gotham? And you missed the part where he used that crazy knee-brace to fix his disability (hence, no cane)?Talk about nit-picking...
He was in some south american country and then suddenly is strolling down the street and happens to run into catwoman. I'm not saying I wanted to see all the details of how he got there, just that it was far fetched based on what we knew about Gotham at that point. And yes, I saw the knee thing. I'm questioning why he needed to be injured in the first place for the story.
 
That hole in the ground prison was dumb when you think about it. Ok, they can run a rope almost near the top for safety reasons. So why not climb up to the point of the jump, and once you are there, haul the ENTIRE safety rope up to that ledge, add some weight, jury rig a makeshift anchor, and then toss it from that ledge to the top of the hole. Then climb out easily? :confused:
Or, I don't know, maybe have a bunch of people climb up there and have them get on each others shoulders?
The prison is obviously supposed to act as a metaphor for the well he falls in as a child to discover the Batcave, so the logistics of it as an actual prison are going to leave a lot to be desired. I was bothered less by the escape from the prison than by Wayne's unexplained time getting back to the United States and back into Gotham.
This and the rushed love story were two of my main issues. And why was Wayne using a cane, and then all of a sudden a bad ### again?
Yeah, those are all reasons why I thought the script felt sloppy. I think this would have worked better if they had done it in two movies. Have The Dark Knight Returns, which would cover Bruce Wayne coming back to face Bane, the development of Rob Blake, his relationship with Talia, etc. Have that movie end with Batman being betrayed by Talia and broken, shipped off overseas to the prision, but have Blake discovering the Batcave and becoming Robin. The next movie would be The Dark Knight Rises, with Robin now active and along with Catwoman facing down Talia and either Bane or some new threat in Gotham and Wayne is escaping his metaphorical batcave and comes back to Gotham.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Really enjoyed the movie.

I really hope that they won't make any additional sequels. Just because they left things open-ended doesn't mean they have to continue the stories with more movies. I think the ending of TDKR was perfect and should be left alone. I doubt that Hollywood agrees though, since there is clearly more $ to be made.

This series needs to pull a Seinfeld and go out on top. IF they want to re-boot Batman again, they should start from scratch.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
That hole in the ground prison was dumb when you think about it. Ok, they can run a rope almost near the top for safety reasons. So why not climb up to the point of the jump, and once you are there, haul the ENTIRE safety rope up to that ledge, add some weight, jury rig a makeshift anchor, and then toss it from that ledge to the top of the hole. Then climb out easily? :confused:
Or, I don't know, maybe have a bunch of people climb up there and have them get on each others shoulders?
The prison is obviously supposed to act as a metaphor for the well he falls in as a child to discover the Batcave, so the logistics of it as an actual prison are going to leave a lot to be desired. I was bothered less by the escape from the prison than by Wayne's unexplained time getting back to the United States and back into Gotham.
This and the rushed love story were two of my main issues. And why was Wayne using a cane, and then all of a sudden a bad ### again?
Seriously, guys? You want to watch 5-10min of Bruce Wayne buying airplane tickets and flying back to Gotham? And you missed the part where he used that crazy knee-brace to fix his disability (hence, no cane)?Talk about nit-picking...
He was in some south american country and then suddenly is strolling down the street and happens to run into catwoman. I'm not saying I wanted to see all the details of how he got there, just that it was far fetched based on what we knew about Gotham at that point. And yes, I saw the knee thing. I'm questioning why he needed to be injured in the first place for the story.
I think it's safe to say that some time passed between him being in the South American country and getting to Gotham. The movie was already 3 hours long...is it really THAT important for you to be given details about his trip back? Really?He needed to be injured in the first place to show the damage that fighting crime had done to his body. It was pretty important, in my opinion, to show that he's not some immortal bada@# that never gets injured, despite the hell he puts his body through.

If your idea of improvement would be to replace the scenes showing the toll it was taking on his body with 15 minutes of going through baggage checks and airport security, I'm glad you weren't involved ;)

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Huge Batman :nerd: Really disliked this movie, I was ok with the movie until the absolute abomination of Talia and Bane occurred.

And then when Blake was the first non insider in the cave, that put me over the edge. Give him the name "Robin" and put him in the cave. Screw you Nolan. You have 5 choices for characters to put into that role, some better suited for the initial role than others and you don't pick one of them? And then Nolan goes about destroying Talia's character? :puke: For all the good he did for the franchise he undoes it all with the last movie.
 
Huge Batman :nerd: Really disliked this movie, I was ok with the movie until the absolute abomination of Talia and Bane occurred.

And then when Blake was the first non insider in the cave, that put me over the edge. Give him the name "Robin" and put him in the cave. Screw you Nolan. You have 5 choices for characters to put into that role, some better suited for the initial role than others and you don't pick one of them? And then Nolan goes about destroying Talia's character? :puke: For all the good he did for the franchise he undoes it all with the last movie.
Can you explain the differences to me?
 
I think the biggest failing of this movie is to clearly explain the motives of Bane and Co.

Are they trying to fulfill Ras Al Ghul and the League of Shadows goal of wiping Gotham off the face of the planet? If so, why? Ras wanted to destroy the city because it was corrupt and evil. At the start of this movie the city has been cleaned up and is safe again. Why do they still want to destroy it?

Anyone?

J

 
I think the biggest failing of this movie is to clearly explain the motives of Bane and Co.Are they trying to fulfill Ras Al Ghul and the League of Shadows goal of wiping Gotham off the face of the planet? If so, why? Ras wanted to destroy the city because it was corrupt and evil. At the start of this movie the city has been cleaned up and is safe again. Why do they still want to destroy it?Anyone?J
From the comic book character:
Ra's al Ghul is an international criminal mastermind whose ultimate goal is a world in perfect environmental balance. He believes that the best way to achieve this balance is to eliminate most of humanity.
 
Huge Batman :nerd: Really disliked this movie, I was ok with the movie until the absolute abomination of Talia and Bane occurred.

And then when Blake was the first non insider in the cave, that put me over the edge. Give him the name "Robin" and put him in the cave. Screw you Nolan. You have 5 choices for characters to put into that role, some better suited for the initial role than others and you don't pick one of them? And then Nolan goes about destroying Talia's character? :puke: For all the good he did for the franchise he undoes it all with the last movie.
Can you explain the differences to me?Sure, just noting it's a comic :nerd: perspective. This made for a good to very good movie for the non Batman :nerd:
Putting Talia into the prison and making Bane her protector really intertwined characters that don't have much to do with each other in canon and severely diminishes Talia who has a large role in Bruce's life. Talia and Bruce have a child together, and were briefly married, who is the current day Robin. Talia is a very important character in canon and Nolan severely diminished her in the film and killed her off. They cheapen both characters IMO by having Bane be Talia's protector and lackey. I can't recall any story arc he was in where Bane wasn't in charge.The thing that really pushed me to the point of being ok with the story to not liking it was having Bruce give Blake the location of the cave as well as intimating he would wear the cowl or work with Bruce. In the comics there are 5 Robins (**** Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown and Damian Wayne) all are legitimate choices and **** or Jason, and possibly even Tim would have been decent choices but to not choose one of them really irritates me. IMO a character that is important enough for Bruce to give access to the cave should have come from canon.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I think the biggest failing of this movie is to clearly explain the motives of Bane and Co.Are they trying to fulfill Ras Al Ghul and the League of Shadows goal of wiping Gotham off the face of the planet? If so, why? Ras wanted to destroy the city because it was corrupt and evil. At the start of this movie the city has been cleaned up and is safe again. Why do they still want to destroy it?Anyone?J
I think its fine to leave the motives up for debate. Personally, I think the lack of martial arts fighting in favor of guns and firepower suggest this is League of Shadows in name only. This is now Talia's personal vendetta against Batman and Gotham.
 
Huge Batman :nerd: Really disliked this movie, I was ok with the movie until the absolute abomination of Talia and Bane occurred.

And then when Blake was the first non insider in the cave, that put me over the edge. Give him the name "Robin" and put him in the cave. Screw you Nolan. You have 5 choices for characters to put into that role, some better suited for the initial role than others and you don't pick one of them? And then Nolan goes about destroying Talia's character? :puke: For all the good he did for the franchise he undoes it all with the last movie.
Can you explain the differences to me?
Sure, just noting it's a comic :nerd: perspective. This made for a good to very good movie for the non Batman :nerd:
Putting Talia into the prison and making Bane her protector really intertwined characters that don't have much to do with each other in canon and severely diminishes Talia who has a large role in Bruce's life. Talia and Bruce have a child together, and were briefly married, who is the current day Robin. Talia is a very important character in canon and Nolan severely diminished her in the film and killed her off. They cheapen both characters IMO by having Bane be Talia's protector and lackey. I can't recall any story arc he was in where Bane wasn't in charge.The thing that really pushed me to the point of being ok with the story to not liking it was having Bruce give Blake the location of the cave as well as intimating he would wear the cowl or work with Bruce. In the comics there are 5 Robins (**** Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown and Damian Wayne) all are legitimate choices and **** or Jason, and possibly even Tim would have been decent choices but to not choose one of them really irritates me. IMO a character that is important enough for Bruce to give access to the cave should have come from canon.
Your gripes are extremely petty.
 
I think the biggest failing of this movie is to clearly explain the motives of Bane and Co.Are they trying to fulfill Ras Al Ghul and the League of Shadows goal of wiping Gotham off the face of the planet? If so, why? Ras wanted to destroy the city because it was corrupt and evil. At the start of this movie the city has been cleaned up and is safe again. Why do they still want to destroy it?Anyone?J
Also, they talk about how Bane got ex-communicated from the League because Ras couldn't stand to look at him due to the memories brought up of the prison his daughter was locked up in. If that's the case, when did Bane get all this expert, next level training ####? It seems that Bane was a far better fighter than Batman but he couldn't have gotten that much training, right?Also, who was Catwoman's lesbian friend?And why didn't Bane hurt or kill Catwoman? She was scared of him but they never really got into their relationship (aside from her screwing them over with the fingerprints).
 
Huge Batman :nerd: Really disliked this movie, I was ok with the movie until the absolute abomination of Talia and Bane occurred.

And then when Blake was the first non insider in the cave, that put me over the edge. Give him the name "Robin" and put him in the cave. Screw you Nolan. You have 5 choices for characters to put into that role, some better suited for the initial role than others and you don't pick one of them? And then Nolan goes about destroying Talia's character? :puke: For all the good he did for the franchise he undoes it all with the last movie.
Can you explain the differences to me?
Sure, just noting it's a comic :nerd: perspective. This made for a good to very good movie for the non Batman :nerd: Putting Talia into the prison and making Bane her protector really intertwined characters that don't have much to do with each other in canon and severely diminishes Talia who has a large role in Bruce's life. Talia and Bruce have a child together, and were briefly married, who is the current day Robin. Talia is a very important character in canon and Nolan severely diminished her in the film and killed her off. They cheapen both characters IMO by having Bane be Talia's protector and lackey. I can't recall any story arc he was in where Bane wasn't in charge.The thing that really pushed me to the point of being ok with the story to not liking it was having Bruce give Blake the location of the cave as well as intimating he would wear the cowl or work with Bruce. In the comics there are 5 Robins (**** Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown and Damian Wayne) all are legitimate choices and **** or Jason, and possibly even Tim would have been decent choices but to not choose one of them really irritates me. IMO a character that is important enough for Bruce to give access to the cave should have come from canon.
Your gripes are extremely petty.Sorry, I could have delved much further into the Knightfall arc, it is one of the best arcs in Batman comics, which Nolan took and shat all over. Like I said it's a Batman :nerd: perspective. For the average person it was a good to very good movie, it was not that for me.
 
Yeah, those are all reasons why I thought the script felt sloppy. I think this would have worked better if they had done it in two movies. Have The Dark Knight Returns, which would cover Bruce Wayne coming back to face Bane, the development of Rob Blake, his relationship with Talia, etc. Have that movie end with Batman being betrayed by Talia and broken, shipped off overseas to the prision, but have Blake discovering the Batcave and becoming Robin. The next movie would be The Dark Knight Rises, with Robin now active and along with Catwoman facing down Talia and either Bane or some new threat in Gotham and Wayne is escaping his metaphorical batcave and comes back to Gotham.
:goodposting:There is entirely too much ground being covered here and the leaps in logic, consistency, suspension of disbelief, and character development all too often distracted me from enjoying the overall story. There were a ton of great actors and characters associated with this movie, but there wasn't enough screentime to go around. If done right, this could have been an epic superhero film. I can understand Nolan's desire to finish the trilogy and just be done with the Batman already. However, two movies would have been the best solution in making a sloppy script more workable IMO.
 
I think the biggest failing of this movie is to clearly explain the motives of Bane and Co.Are they trying to fulfill Ras Al Ghul and the League of Shadows goal of wiping Gotham off the face of the planet? If so, why? Ras wanted to destroy the city because it was corrupt and evil. At the start of this movie the city has been cleaned up and is safe again. Why do they still want to destroy it?Anyone?J
I think its fine to leave the motives up for debate. Personally, I think the lack of martial arts fighting in favor of guns and firepower suggest this is League of Shadows in name only. This is now Talia's personal vendetta against Batman and Gotham.
If that was the case, then the whole 'prison-pit' scenario made absolutely no sense. I felt like Scott Evil watching Dr. Evil trying to kill Austin Powers with 'sharks with lasers on their heads'. If they wanted revenge on Batman they already had him captured and had a bomb that could have destroyed Gotham. Drive Batmans crippled body 20 miles out of town and prop him up in a lawnchair. Push the button and let him watch Gotham explode. Put a bullet in the back of his head and your vengeance is complete.I'm supposed to believe that this cabal of ultra-intelligent, super-patient enemies could spend the time and resources to concoct their revenge plot up until the point where they capture him, then have no idea what to do with him so they just throw him, unsupervised, into a pit half a world away while they stay with a bomb they know will eventually explode.I'm sorry, but either way you slice it it makes no sense. Nolan wanted Bane in this movie and he managed to shoe-horn him in, but only by sacrificing the gritty realism that had made the first two movies so good. I'm not claiming the movie sucked, it was just disappointing and clearly the worst of the series.J
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top