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The Hacking of the American Mind (1 Viewer)

Purification of Addiction

Lustig outlines his reward pathway argument and how dopamine plays a part.  How we seek this reward and as we continue to get rewarded, we are stimulated less which leads us to wanting more so we seek more reward.  It's a vicious cycle.  And he argues one of the reasons it seems to have gotten worse is we have purified our addiction and made it so easy that just about all of us have readily available access to an addiction causing substance.  You had to go out of your way and pay a stiff price to get rewarding substances.  Now, all of us can go down to the local street corner market and get all the sugar, alcohol, nicotine and caffeine we want.

We have billion dollar companies perfecting and purifying products that are addicting.  Binge drinking is common now - alcohol is a billion dollar industry.  Science has developed to the point where we can bred many drugs to be more potent than ever before.  Pharmaceutical companies have made incredible strides that have not only provided life saving drugs for many illnesses and disorders but also has helped to introduce the opioid crisis.

Now is when Lustig really goes after sugar.  The Other White Powder.  Processes foods, which are mostly packed with refined sugar, is a 1.46 trillion dollar industry with an almost 50% profit margin.  Lustig does point out, as MT did, that glucose is so important that the body (via the liver) will make it.  He argues that fructose on the other hand is vestigal - we have evolved to where there is no biochemical reaction that requires it.  And he argues when consumed in high dosage can be toxic.  Not everyone is addicted but many are - studies show that unlike glucose, fructose lights up the reward pathway and are capable of altering emotional responses.

Lustig goes on to highlight how the food industry has fought the idea that sugar (and some other substances) are addicting.  They say people have "eating addiction" (it's your fault) and not "food addiction" (it's the food's fault).

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So, I'm AAA and I'm an addict.  I'm not a alcoholic, I've never done any drugs (not even marijuana).  But I was addicted to sugar.  Lots of it.  Soda, processed foods, sweets, candy - I ate it all and I loved it.  I'm guessing many of your are too.  But I also recognize what MT says - sugar isn't nicotine but I do think refined sugar is pretty damn close and based on what it was doing to me and many of our global citizens I think we need to put some of the same type of restrictions on it.  I'm in favor of more education and possibly more taxation.

I'm sure this will be a struggle for me for the rest of my life - I was pre-diabetic and probably a few boxes of donuts away from being a full-blown diabetic.  I've managed to reverse course (for now).  Hoping the same for any of you in the same boat that are looking to make a change.

Question the science, question Lustig - I know I am.  I plan to research further some of his claims - but this I know, what he says is mostly truth for me and my experience.  Ultimately, I'm torn though - for me and my situation, I don't care if he arrogantly states some science that is misleading or maybe just flat wrong if he's directionally completely right.  But we can't accept sloppy information if we want to get the masses on board.  So again, research for yourself and share here. 

 
To go in a different direction for a minute.  We've touched on insulin sensitivity and sugar in here and also diabetes.  I've been trying to read more about Alzheimer's and Dementia and the idea that they are Type 3 diabetes.  Our brains insulin disorder.  I'll be honest, I hadn't really heard this until recently although it's been around for a while.  I do find it interesting that the increase in Type-2 diabetes and Dementia related disease have both gone up over my lifetime.  If both are insulin sensitivity at it's core then it would make sense that as our sugar/carb intake has gone up so have these diseases.  I'd love somebody who is more knowledgeable in these areas to chime in or point to good resources to read up on it.

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We left off with stress and cortisol.  What I found interesting after reading through that was we here so much about reducing stress, that stress is bad for us, etc., etc.  But is there a good way for us to easily monitor our stress levels in the same way we can monitor our glucose and blood pressure?  I went searching - seems like there's 3 ways to test your cortisol levels - blood, saliva and urine.  The home saliva test seems to be almost like the body fat scale - it's not great at being accurate but can kind of show trends.

I've tried to start incorporating some breathing exercises - probably a bastardized meditation attempt.

One other coincidental thing happened recently.  My company introduced a VR technology that they are bringing in to our office for relaxation and meditation purposes.  I plan to try it this week and will report back.
Won't help with monitoring, but from a practical perspective we all need to stop scheduling so much ####. And even when you get to optimum levels when something gets added you must remember to also take something out. Between work and life scheduling contingency time each day (about an hour) instead of something tangible has been instrumental in not overly taxing myself. 

Ultimately the monitoring comes with the other three areas cited earlier. If there's an issue I'll notice it with one of them. 

 
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What do they put in yellow corn tortilla chips that makes them addicting for me? 

White corn chips. Pffft. Might eat a couple. Blue corn, nope. Put a bag of tostitos cantina style yellow corn and I will literally eat the whole bag. Love them. 

 
wikkidpissah said:
I’m positive that read corny but it was actually therapeutic in a way.  I mean, I know I’m not an addict in any conventional sense of the word but I also know that I have this problem and it doesn’t do any good to pretend I don’t.  I hope this thread is helpful to people.

 
I’m positive that read corny but it was actually therapeutic in a way.  I mean, I know I’m not an addict in any conventional sense of the word but I also know that I have this problem and it doesn’t do any good to pretend I don’t.  I hope this thread is helpful to people.
I've quit almost everything in this life but carbs. 

 
I've quit almost everything in this life but carbs. 
A post by @Clown Carin @bostonfred's  weight loss thread reminded me of this thread - I had basically forgotten about it while I ate and drank all the carbs.  No doubt I was right in my posts above.  I'm an addict.  And by saying that I'm not trying to minimize what drug and alcohol addicts go through.  Thankfully I didn't go fully off the rails in the last 2+ years.  I'm probably about 30-40 pounds overweight and I'm working my way back down.  Currently sit at ~195 but I still struggle daily with cravings - most days they seem to be mental more than physical.

 
A post by @Clown Carin @bostonfred's  weight loss thread reminded me of this thread - I had basically forgotten about it while I ate and drank all the carbs.  No doubt I was right in my posts above.  I'm an addict.  And by saying that I'm not trying to minimize what drug and alcohol addicts go through.  Thankfully I didn't go fully off the rails in the last 2+ years.  I'm probably about 30-40 pounds overweight and I'm working my way back down.  Currently sit at ~195 but I still struggle daily with cravings - most days they seem to be mental more than physical.
well, let's take a look at it outside of the weight loss threads and see what it says to those who dont have to diet or those (i weigh 350 lbs, was fit til i quit coke & smokes @ 50yo) who dont care. what's a food day/week like for you?

 
well, let's take a look at it outside of the weight loss threads and see what it says to those who dont have to diet or those (i weigh 350 lbs, was fit til i quit coke & smokes @ 50yo) who dont care. what's a food day/week like for you?
Somewhat hard to answer - I’m all over the place week to week, month to month, year to year.  I’ve been a yo-yo’er with weight for a good portion of my adult life.  I think I could sum the times up in aggregate like this:

- SAD (Standard American Diet) with no alcohol - these years I would gradually put on weight

- SAD with alcohol - rapid weight loss

- “Dieting” - which usually for me means low carb.  This year I focused on just eating whole foods- eliminate processed food as much as possible and cycle low carb in and out.

 
Somewhat hard to answer - I’m all over the place week to week, month to month, year to year.  I’ve been a yo-yo’er with weight for a good portion of my adult life.  I think I could sum the times up in aggregate like this:

- SAD (Standard American Diet) with no alcohol - these years I would gradually put on weight

- SAD with alcohol - rapid weight loss

- “Dieting” - which usually for me means low carb.  This year I focused on just eating whole foods- eliminate processed food as much as possible and cycle low carb in and out.
but a sum-up doesnt reflect your eating personality. can't figure out what your hand is without tells, know'm'sayin?

 

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