The Hand of God (1 Viewer)

[General Tso]

That went from the Ravens winning to the Patriots in one amazing swipe of a hand. That was all the difference in the game today.

Observations:

[*]Probably the closest football game start to finish you will ever see.

[*]Vince Wilfork is the most under-rated player in the league.

[*]Tom Brady gets a C from me. He was magnificant on the touchdown drive in the late 3rd / early 4th quarter that ended with a ballzy head first dive into a charging Ray Lewis. His very next play, after getting a defensive turnover and having all the momentum, he makes a horrid decision and throws an interception into double coverage.

[*]Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has never fumbled in the NFL. Ever. One of those stats that knocks you off your chair when you hear it.

[*]MHK - is there something to this?

[*]One of the best coached games you'll ever see.

[*]Little guys are undervalued in the NFL. Look at the impact in today's game by people like Edelman, Welker, and Ray Rice.

[*]Best player on the field today was my boy Aaron Hernandez from nearby Bristol, CT. Great to see the local kid do so good.

 

[johnnycakes]

That went from the Ravens winning to the Patriots in one amazing swipe of a hand. That was all the difference in the game today.

Observations:

[*]Probably the closest football game start to finish you will ever see.

[*]Vince Wilfork is the most under-rated player in the league.

[*]Tom Brady gets a C from me. He was magnificant on the touchdown drive in the late 3rd / early 4th quarter that ended with a ballzy head first dive into a charging Ray Lewis. His very next play, after getting a defensive turnover and having all the momentum, he makes a horrid decision and throws an interception into double coverage.

[*]Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has never fumbled in the NFL. Ever. One of those stats that knocks you off your chair when you hear it.

[*]MHK - is there something to this?

[*]One of the best coached games you'll ever see.

[*]Little guys are undervalued in the NFL. Look at the impact in today's game by people like Edelman, Welker, and Ray Rice.

[*]Best player on the field today was my boy Aaron Hernandez from nearby Bristol, CT. Great to see the local kid do so good.

Myra H. Kraft, 1942-2011.

 

[AmosMoses]

That went from the Ravens winning to the Patriots in one amazing swipe of a hand. That was all the difference in the game today.

Observations:

[*]Probably the closest football game start to finish you will ever see.

[*]Vince Wilfork is the most under-rated player in the league.

[*]Tom Brady gets a C from me. He was magnificant on the touchdown drive in the late 3rd / early 4th quarter that ended with a ballzy head first dive into a charging Ray Lewis. His very next play, after getting a defensive turnover and having all the momentum, he makes a horrid decision and throws an interception into double coverage.

[*]Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has never fumbled in the NFL. Ever. One of those stats that knocks you off your chair when you hear it.

[*]MHK - is there something to this?

[*]One of the best coached games you'll ever see.

[*]Little guys are undervalued in the NFL. Look at the impact in today's game by people like Edelman, Welker, and Ray Rice.

[*]Best player on the field today was my boy Aaron Hernandez from nearby Bristol, CT. Great to see the local kid do so good.

Myra H. Kraft, 1942-2011.

She's dead. How could she have anything to do with the game? Cmon people.

 

[General Tso]

That went from the Ravens winning to the Patriots in one amazing swipe of a hand. That was all the difference in the game today.

Observations:

[*]Probably the closest football game start to finish you will ever see.

[*]Vince Wilfork is the most under-rated player in the league.

[*]Tom Brady gets a C from me. He was magnificant on the touchdown drive in the late 3rd / early 4th quarter that ended with a ballzy head first dive into a charging Ray Lewis. His very next play, after getting a defensive turnover and having all the momentum, he makes a horrid decision and throws an interception into double coverage.

[*]Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has never fumbled in the NFL. Ever. One of those stats that knocks you off your chair when you hear it.

[*]MHK - is there something to this?

[*]One of the best coached games you'll ever see.

[*]Little guys are undervalued in the NFL. Look at the impact in today's game by people like Edelman, Welker, and Ray Rice.

[*]Best player on the field today was my boy Aaron Hernandez from nearby Bristol, CT. Great to see the local kid do so good.

Myra H. Kraft, 1942-2011.

She's dead. How could she have anything to do with the game? Cmon people.

Because Benjarvis Green Ellis says so?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I absolutely love benny and hope he's a pat 'til he retires.

I misted up when he was pointing to the mhk patch on the td.

I don't think people who aren't pats fans can really appreciate the krafts and what they've done.

RIP MHK.

edit ps

wilfork might be underrated among the common football fan, but believe me, he's appreciated in new england.

 

[AB in DC]

Moore == Myra

 

[AB in DC]

Were you watching the same game that I was?

 

[General Tso]

Moore == Myra

So, are you saying that Myra actually knocked the ball out and was just using Moore as a pawn? I can dig it.

 

[AB in DC]

The play is already on Youtube here. Watch the replays at the 0:30 mark and see if you still think he got both feet down, let alone make a football move.

 

[General Tso]

The referees blew the call. That should have been ruled a touchdown. Lee Evans caught the ball, had two feet down, and made a "football move". THEN he was stripped of the ball.That's some nice home cooking by the officiating crew.

Is this the same officiating crew that also blew the Gronkowski catch that probably cost the Pats 4 points?The right call was made. It was not a completion. It was a miraculous stroke of good fortune for the Pats.Which is why the real debate right now is the degree to which MHK was involved.

 

[slayer666]

That went from the Ravens winning to the Patriots in one amazing swipe of a hand. That was all the difference in the game today.

Observations:

[*]Probably the closest football game start to finish you will ever see.



[*]Vince Wilfork is the most under-rated player in the league.

[*]Tom Brady gets a C from me. He was magnificant on the touchdown drive in the late 3rd / early 4th quarter that ended with a ballzy head first dive into a charging Ray Lewis. His very next play, after getting a defensive turnover and having all the momentum, he makes a horrid decision and throws an interception into double coverage.

[*]Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has never fumbled in the NFL. Ever. One of those stats that knocks you off your chair when you hear it.

[*]MHK - is there something to this?

[*]One of the best coached games you'll ever see.

[*]Little guys are undervalued in the NFL. Look at the impact in today's game by people like Edelman, Welker, and Ray Rice.

[*]Best player on the field today was my boy Aaron Hernandez from nearby Bristol, CT. Great to see the local kid do so good.

Wilfork has made the Pro Bowl in four of the past five seasons.

 

[nxmehta]

The referees blew the call. That should have been ruled a touchdown. Lee Evans caught the ball, had two feet down, and made a "football move". THEN he was stripped of the ball.That's some nice home cooking by the officiating crew.

 

[the moops]

The play is already on Youtube here. Watch the replays at the 0:30 mark and see if you still think he got both feet down, let alone make a football move.

Looks like he had two feet down. I still dont think its a TD though

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I thought FBGs had game threads for a reason

 

[elmanx]

That went from the Ravens winning to the Patriots in one amazing swipe of a hand. That was all the difference in the game today.

Observations:

[*]Probably the closest football game start to finish you will ever see.

[*]Vince Wilfork is the most under-rated player in the league.

[*]Tom Brady gets a C from me. He was magnificant on the touchdown drive in the late 3rd / early 4th quarter that ended with a ballzy head first dive into a charging Ray Lewis. His very next play, after getting a defensive turnover and having all the momentum, he makes a horrid decision and throws an interception into double coverage.

[*]Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has never fumbled in the NFL. Ever. One of those stats that knocks you off your chair when you hear it.

[*]MHK - is there something to this?

[*]One of the best coached games you'll ever see.

[*]Little guys are undervalued in the NFL. Look at the impact in today's game by people like Edelman, Welker, and Ray Rice.

[*]Best player on the field today was my boy Aaron Hernandez from nearby Bristol, CT. Great to see the local kid do so good.

Myra H. Kraft, 1942-2011.

She's dead. How could she have anything to do with the game? Cmon people.

She could be inspirational. Beyond that probably not much else I can think of.

 

[elmanx]

That went from the Ravens winning to the Patriots in one amazing swipe of a hand. That was all the difference in the game today.

Observations:

[*]Probably the closest football game start to finish you will ever see.

[*]Vince Wilfork is the most under-rated player in the league.

[*]Tom Brady gets a C from me. He was magnificant on the touchdown drive in the late 3rd / early 4th quarter that ended with a ballzy head first dive into a charging Ray Lewis. His very next play, after getting a defensive turnover and having all the momentum, he makes a horrid decision and throws an interception into double coverage.

[*]Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has never fumbled in the NFL. Ever. One of those stats that knocks you off your chair when you hear it.

[*]MHK - is there something to this?

[*]One of the best coached games you'll ever see.

[*]Little guys are undervalued in the NFL. Look at the impact in today's game by people like Edelman, Welker, and Ray Rice.

[*]Best player on the field today was my boy Aaron Hernandez from nearby Bristol, CT. Great to see the local kid do so good.

Diagree with a couple of these1. I think there were multiple bad coaching decisions on both sides. So, this can't have been one of the best coached games.

2. Wilfork was the best player on the field today, not Hernandez.

Agree with most everything else.

 

[elmanx]

The referees blew the call. That should have been ruled a touchdown. Lee Evans caught the ball, had two feet down, and made a "football move". THEN he was stripped of the ball.That's some nice home cooking by the officiating crew.

I've have seen very similar near catches in the endzone many many times. I can't recall a single one with as little possession as Evans had ruled a catch. It was not only the correct call, but it was entirely consistent with the way that type of play is always called.

 

[General Tso]

That went from the Ravens winning to the Patriots in one amazing swipe of a hand. That was all the difference in the game today.

Observations:

[*]Probably the closest football game start to finish you will ever see.

[*]Vince Wilfork is the most under-rated player in the league.

[*]Tom Brady gets a C from me. He was magnificant on the touchdown drive in the late 3rd / early 4th quarter that ended with a ballzy head first dive into a charging Ray Lewis. His very next play, after getting a defensive turnover and having all the momentum, he makes a horrid decision and throws an interception into double coverage.

[*]Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has never fumbled in the NFL. Ever. One of those stats that knocks you off your chair when you hear it.

[*]MHK - is there something to this?

[*]One of the best coached games you'll ever see.

[*]Little guys are undervalued in the NFL. Look at the impact in today's game by people like Edelman, Welker, and Ray Rice.

[*]Best player on the field today was my boy Aaron Hernandez from nearby Bristol, CT. Great to see the local kid do so good.

Diagree with a couple of these1. I think there were multiple bad coaching decisions on both sides. So, this can't have been one of the best coached games.

2. Wilfork was the best player on the field today, not Hernandez.

Agree with most everything else.

Be interested to hear the coaching decisions you didn't like. The only one I can think of was the Pats not challenging the Gronk reception. Other than that I thought both coaches were spot on.

 

[eakfootball]

The referees blew the call. That should have been ruled a touchdown. Lee Evans caught the ball, had two feet down, and made a "football move". THEN he was stripped of the ball.That's some nice home cooking by the officiating crew.

Wrong. You need control ALL the way through. Remember Calvin Johnson?

 

[elmanx]

The referees blew the call. That should have been ruled a touchdown. Lee Evans caught the ball, had two feet down, and made a "football move". THEN he was stripped of the ball.That's some nice home cooking by the officiating crew.

Wrong. You need control ALL the way through. Remember Calvin Johnson?

That only applies when the receiver goes to the ground. That didn't happen here, so the reference to C. Johnson's non-catch is irrelevant. It still wasn't a catch, but not for the same reason that Calvin's wasn't a catch.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Ridiculous ruling, or a ridiculous rule.. Not sure which, but that should have been called a TD.. If he would have caught the ball, got 2 feet in bounds, then stepped out, it would be a TD, in this case, he caught the ball, got 2 feet down in bounds, and got it swatted out of his hands..

If clear catch and 2 feet in makes a TD on the sideline, it should be the same ruling if he doesn't step out..

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I loathe the Patriots as much as the next guy, but anyone arguing that was a catch is just looking to find a loophole in the rules so the team they were rooting for would win.

If you take all the rules out of it and just go by what you see it was clearly not a catch. The rules also state it wasn't a catch (he didn't get that 2nd foot down).

I was going crazy rooting for the Ravens (or rather, against the Pats), but the only thing to be upset about on that play is that an NFL receiver has hands that weak. Go get the ball with strong hands, FFS. That nonsense wouldn't be acceptable in high school. It definitely looked like he "relaxed" as he was hauling it in and was caught off guard by the poke. He probably got distracted thinking about what dance he was going to do for his celebration.

 

[shadyridr]

I ####in hate the Pats. No way on Gods green Earth was that a catch Stop being delusional.

 

[Modog814]

I loathe the Patriots as much as the next guy, but anyone arguing that was a catch is just looking to find a loophole in the rules so the team they were rooting for would win.If you take all the rules out of it and just go by what you see it was clearly not a catch. The rules also state it wasn't a catch (he didn't get that 2nd foot down).I was going crazy rooting for the Ravens (or rather, against the Pats), but the only thing to be upset about on that play is that an NFL receiver has hands that weak. Go get the ball with strong hands, FFS. That nonsense wouldn't be acceptable in high school. It definitely looked like he "relaxed" as he was hauling it in and was caught off guard by the poke. He probably got distracted thinking about what dance he was going to do for his celebration.

Pretty much agree. While technically I think it should have been a TD (I thought he got the 2nd foot down) and they should have at least reviewed it, I think it was close enough that it wouldn't have been overruled either way. But there is no way in that spot that you can let some guy strip that ball from you. I mean seriously? You bring that ball to your chest and fall to the ground craddling it like your first born.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I ####in hate the Pats. No way on Gods green Earth was that a catch Stop being delusional.

Watch the slow mo replay?He clearly caught the ball, then got 2 feet down.. didn't make a football move, but the ball was in his hands, and had 2 feet down, second foot hit the ground just before the ball was swatted out..

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Sterling Moore was a nice addition for the Pats off the Raiders practice squad. Moore's not a probowler by any means, but he always made plays when he was on the Raiders. Playmakers are hard to find, regardless of measurables. I was very disappointed that the Raiders let him walk just befor the season. It later bit them in when the Oakland secondary was ravished with injuries. The "Moore's" (Denarius and Sterling) were the training camp superstars.

From practice squad on the Raiders to the Super Bowl in a few months. Good for Sterling Moore.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I ####in hate the Pats. No way on Gods green Earth was that a catch Stop being delusional.

Watch the slow mo replay?He clearly caught the ball, then got 2 feet down.. didn't make a football move, but the ball was in his hands, and had 2 feet down, second foot hit the ground just before the ball was swatted out..

uhhhh, no.

 

[Bayhawks]

I ####in hate the Pats. No way on Gods green Earth was that a catch Stop being delusional.

Watch the slow mo replay?He clearly caught the ball, then got 2 feet down.. didn't make a football move, but the ball was in his hands, and had 2 feet down, second foot hit the ground just before the ball was swatted out..

you can make the argument that you think the toe of the 2nd (left) foot was down, but based on the replays I watched with Tivo, it looked like you can't tell. You can't tell where the black shoe is and where the shadow is. Furthermore, if you freeze it right as his toe appears to be down, and look at his arm, the ball doesn't appear to be secure; the Pats DB's arm is into Evans' body, and the ball looks like it might already be loose.I said this in another thread. A play of that consequence definitely should have been reviewed, but with I don't see the ruling on the field being over-ruled. It was called an INC, so it would have stayed an INC. If it had been ruled a TD, it would have stayed a TD, IMO.

 

[Popinski]

A play of that consequence definitely should have been reviewed, but with I don't see the ruling on the field being over-ruled.

Pretty much how I felt. The guys upstairs have to get the refs to review it, although I agree it would not be overturned.

 

[Warrior]

Come on, guys. That wasn't a TD...not even close. Not based on the rulebook and not based on common sense/the eye test. Give it up.

 

[munchkin]

I ####in hate the Pats. No way on Gods green Earth was that a catch Stop being delusional.

Watch the slow mo replay?He clearly caught the ball, then got 2 feet down.. didn't make a football move, but the ball was in his hands, and had 2 feet down, second foot hit the ground just before the ball was swatted out..

It's possible that had the pass been called a TD on the field they would not have overturned the call on replay but it would have been a mistake to call it a TD in real time action. Good call on a very close play. It wasn't a TD.The Torrey Smith TD in which he dragged the defender 4 yards down field by his face mask was a more egregious non-call.

 

[Phlash]

The Torrey Smith TD in which he dragged the defender 4 yards down field by his face mask was a more egregious non-call.

That play disgusted me. I seriously thought he was going to break McCourty's neck on that play the way he was gripping the facemask so hard as McCourty's body was (attempting) to go face-first into the ground.

 

[Bossman]

The referees blew the call. That should have been ruled a touchdown. Lee Evans caught the ball, had two feet down, and made a "football move". THEN he was stripped of the ball.

That's some nice home cooking by the officiating crew.

Wrong. You need control ALL the way through. Remember Calvin Johnson?

That only applies when the receiver goes to the ground. That didn't happen here, so the reference to C. Johnson's non-catch is irrelevant. It still wasn't a catch, but not for the same reason that Calvin's wasn't a catch.

Pretty cut and dry here. I can see why there was no need to review:Article 3.

Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands.

. . . If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body other than his hands to the ground, or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, it is not a catch.

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2010/9/13/1685668/why-the-nfls-rule-referees

Just because you have two hands on the ball and both feet down, doesn't mean it's a TD. You should have to maintain control whether going to the ground, going out of bounds or a defender knocking it away. It's common sense. NFL needs to correct or clarify this.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

baltimore fans still trying to win that game??

it's over.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

baltimore fans still trying to win that game??it's over.

I'm not a Ravens fan, but I think the play should have been reviewed. This crap where it has to be called a TD to be reviewed is silly.. Was a very close call.. And to this point, after viewing the play several times, I think the best argument in opposition to the TD came from Bossman. At least there was some research done..Looked like 2 feet down, with possession to me.. That would equate to a bad call at the very least by the official who decided for no review.I'm ok with the outcome, but I can't understand some of these comments:"That wasn't a TD...not even close""No way on Gods green Earth was that a catch Stop being delusional"It was close, very close..

 

[elmanx]

baltimore fans still trying to win that game??it's over.

I'm not a Ravens fan, but I think the play should have been reviewed. This crap where it has to be called a TD to be reviewed is silly.. Was a very close call.. And to this point, after viewing the play several times, I think the best argument in opposition to the TD came from Bossman. At least there was some research done..Looked like 2 feet down, with possession to me.. That would equate to a bad call at the very least by the official who decided for no review.I'm ok with the outcome, but I can't understand some of these comments:"That wasn't a TD...not even close""No way on Gods green Earth was that a catch Stop being delusional"It was close, very close..

I think you're missing the point here, everyone agrees (or at least should agree) it was close. But as close as it was, it was clearly not a catch. Think of it this way: Lets say on a replay we see that a receiver makes a catch but his foot is 1/2 inch out of bounds. On every replay angle his foot is obviously out of bounds by that very same 1/2 inch. If something like that happened, I would say something like "Absolutely no way that was a catch". It doesn't mean it's not close (it obviously was, since it was only a 1/2 inch). It just means that despite it being very close, the correct call was unequivocally clear.Same thing happened here. It was very close to being a catch (If Evans takes an extra half step and/or holds it for an extra second, it's probably a catch), but it clearly wasn't one.I guess you could argue that it should have been reviewed, but in this case it makes no difference. Even on review it is a clear (but close) incomplete pass.