The Joe Biden Thread- things are looking up (2 Viewers)

[sho nuff]

Its gross to say that gas prices have been falling? After people complained about them going up and blamed Biden for it for months?

Yes, it is gross to celebrate a $3.71 national average for a gallon of regular unleaded

I don’t think anyone was celebrating that.

 

[rustycolts]

Someone should tell the left that we can have a democracy AND a better economy. Is that too much to ask?

What should we be doing right now to have a better economy? What changes / legislation / action would you take or would a republican pres be doing right now?

Prioritize our economy over Ukraine aid.

Since January we’ve given 13.5 billion to Ukraine. It sure looks like that’s money well spent. How would you spend it differently?

Send every American $40. They could get 3/4s of a tank of gas.

 

[FairWarning]

This narrative that inflation wouldn’t be in place if the GOP had won the last election is a wonderful fantasy land. Do they have free ice cream there too?

we don't know how it would have all went

we DO know how its went with Democrats running it - fantastically horrible

Well...we know how it was looking when they took over...and it was bad then too. We know that the spending prior to Biden was also high...and rates were kept artificially low. We know awful trade wars were started and tariffs put in place that have hurt us (that biden aboslutely should repeal those tariffs)
That is not to say Biden has not added to it...but its extremely short sighted to just claim its all a disaster because of him...as it does not appear there were plans to lower spending had Trump won either.

How much of the spending was outside of COVID relief though. Pretty much all countries were giving out some sort of relief (what were the other options)?

Id have to look back. But nommatter what it was for…it was still spent. Thus more cash into the system…thus a part of inflation.

What is worse - COVID relief for all or making good on campaign promises to entitled collegians when inflation is an issue?

Worse in terms of what? I don’t support the student loan forgiveness. But I don’t think inflation cares what the spending is for.

There wasn’t 8% inflation when trump gave out COVID money.

 

[Stealthycat]

Send every American $40. They could get 3/4s of a tank of gas.

Biden discussed spending $$$$$ we don't have on gas cards ....

 

[sho nuff]

This narrative that inflation wouldn’t be in place if the GOP had won the last election is a wonderful fantasy land. Do they have free ice cream there too?

we don't know how it would have all went

we DO know how its went with Democrats running it - fantastically horrible

Well...we know how it was looking when they took over...and it was bad then too. We know that the spending prior to Biden was also high...and rates were kept artificially low. We know awful trade wars were started and tariffs put in place that have hurt us (that biden aboslutely should repeal those tariffs)
That is not to say Biden has not added to it...but its extremely short sighted to just claim its all a disaster because of him...as it does not appear there were plans to lower spending had Trump won either.

How much of the spending was outside of COVID relief though. Pretty much all countries were giving out some sort of relief (what were the other options)?

Id have to look back. But nommatter what it was for…it was still spent. Thus more cash into the system…thus a part of inflation.

What is worse - COVID relief for all or making good on campaign promises to entitled collegians when inflation is an issue?

Worse in terms of what? I don’t support the student loan forgiveness. But I don’t think inflation cares what the spending is for.

There wasn’t 8% inflation when trump gave out COVID money.

Not sure I said there was. As I said…I don’t agree with the loan forgiveness.
My point was it all adds to inflation.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Someone should tell the left that we can have a democracy AND a better economy. Is that too much to ask?

What should we be doing right now to have a better economy? What changes / legislation / action would you take or would a republican pres be doing right now?

How much confidence do you have in the economy this winter? I have none. I also have no confidernce in an administration who will tell YOU what YOU want to hear, while WE see different.

So no answer to my original question? Are you just going to ignore?

The government cant keep spending, we have to take our medicine now. You guys voted him in, enjoy. I'm the minority.

What should we be doing right now to have a better economy? What changes / legislation / action would you take or would a republican pres be doing right now?

Clearly, you don't understand how cowards owning the libs and cosplaying as freedom fighters equals a better economy. You should watch more YouTube. I mean, do you even Facebook bro?

 

[FairWarning]

Someone should tell the left that we can have a democracy AND a better economy. Is that too much to ask?

What should we be doing right now to have a better economy? What changes / legislation / action would you take or would a republican pres be doing right now?

How much confidence do you have in the economy this winter? I have none. I also have no confidernce in an administration who will tell YOU what YOU want to hear, while WE see different.

So no answer to my original question? Are you just going to ignore?

The government cant keep spending, we have to take our medicine now. You guys voted him in, enjoy. I'm the minority.

What should we be doing right now to have a better economy? What changes / legislation / action would you take or would a republican pres be doing right now?

Clearly, you don't understand how cowards owning the libs and cosplaying as freedom fighters equals a better economy. You should watch more YouTube. I mean, do you even Facebook bro?

So you are happy with the economy right now? Explain to the rest of us what we are missing?

 

[RCon]

So you are happy with the economy right now? Explain to the rest of us what we are missing?

Seemed pretty clear that he's suggesting that the GOP has no actual plans to help the economy.

 

[Rubiobot]

So you are happy with the economy right now? Explain to the rest of us what we are missing?

Seemed pretty clear that he's suggesting that the GOP has no actual plans to help the economy.

The only plan they ever have is tax cuts for the rich.

 

[RCon]

So you are happy with the economy right now? Explain to the rest of us what we are missing?

Seemed pretty clear that he's suggesting that the GOP has no actual plans to help the economy.

The only plan they ever have is tax cuts for the rich.

Followed by complaining about deficits as soon as they're out of power?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Someone should tell the left that we can have a democracy AND a better economy. Is that too much to ask?

What should we be doing right now to have a better economy? What changes / legislation / action would you take or would a republican pres be doing right now?

How much confidence do you have in the economy this winter? I have none. I also have no confidernce in an administration who will tell YOU what YOU want to hear, while WE see different.

So no answer to my original question? Are you just going to ignore?

The government cant keep spending, we have to take our medicine now. You guys voted him in, enjoy. I'm the minority.

What should we be doing right now to have a better economy? What changes / legislation / action would you take or would a republican pres be doing right now?

Clearly, you don't understand how cowards owning the libs and cosplaying as freedom fighters equals a better economy. You should watch more YouTube. I mean, do you even Facebook bro?

So you are happy with the economy right now? Explain to the rest of us what we are missing?

I wasn't the one asking you a question. I was mocking the political right for their lack of good faith, nonsense and the fact that they are a cancer on our body politic.

You've been asked the same question 3 times. But I'm happy to answer yours. I'm fine with the economy at the moment given world wide issues though I look forward to less inflation eventually. Yeah, it could be better. I never get what I want in domestic policy anyway no matter who runs Washington.

As for what you're missing...I don't know. If you were MAGA GOP Trump supporter who ever said Let's Go Brandon like it was a political statement and thinks that January 6 wasn't a big deal, youd be missing honor, good faith, democratic common sense, courage and decency. But that's not you personally, I'm sure, so like I said, I don't know

 

[Stealthycat]

Inflation rose 8.3% in August as price gains slow but remain painfully high

The Labor Department released the latest inflation data set on Tuesday, revealing just how hot consumer prices ran in August as the Fed tries to cool the economy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Inflation rose more than expected in August, continuing to create severe financial pressure for U.S. households even as the cost of gasoline fell.

The Labor Department said Tuesday that the consumer price index, a broad measure of the price for everyday goods including gasoline, groceries and rents, rose 8.3% in August from a year ago. Prices climbed 0.1% in the one-month period from July.

Those figures were both higher than the 8.1% headline figure and 0.1% monthly decline forecast by Refinitiv economists, likely a worrisome sign for the Federal Reserve as it seeks to cool price gains and tame consumer demand.

 

[bcat01]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

 

[Stealthycat]

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[timschochet]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

 

[timschochet]

Also, inflation is dropping: 9.1% in June, 8.5% in July, 8.3% in August. It’s a slow decrease, but things ARE getting better, not worse.

 

[Sand]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

 

[timschochet]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

 

[the moops]

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Single day stock market gains or losses is super weak sauce. Not surprising that you weren't in here the past few days when it was going up.

 

[Battersbox]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

Well, the $1 trillion student loan giveaway likely wouldn't be in play. That's inflationary of course. The hundreds of billions to 'fight climate change' likely wouldn't be in play either. Those are both inflationary.
The Biden admin and the democrats in both chambers are extending this period of historic inflation. It's true that the prior 2.5 years are part of the problem here due to supply chain messes and paying people to not work, but I would submit that another period of 'lockdowns' or suppressed economic activity is far more likely to happen under Democratic control than Republican.

 

[Battersbox]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

Additionally....inflation didn't just pop overnight. It was building for months and months. 2nd half of 2021 Biden and the Dems were doing everything in their power to pass a $4TRILLION package that was only blocked because Manchin wouldn't play ball. Dems and Biden were whistling past the graveyard for a long, long time.

It's extremely disingenuous to suggest Republicans and Democrats are the same on this issue ahead of this election. Just because Republicans are profligate it doesn't mean Democrats can't be worse, and since they took control they have been far worse.

We've all gotten poorer over the past couple of years, and since the Supreme Court ensured so much of the woman vote will go blue this mid-term, we're all likely to get poorer still. It sucks.

 

[timschochet]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

Well, the $1 trillion student loan giveaway likely wouldn't be in play. That's inflationary of course. The hundreds of billions to 'fight climate change' likely wouldn't be in play either. Those are both inflationary.
The Biden admin and the democrats in both chambers are extending this period of historic inflation. It's true that the prior 2.5 years are part of the problem here due to supply chain messes and paying people to not work, but I would submit that another period of 'lockdowns' or suppressed economic activity is far more likely to happen under Democratic control than Republican.

First off neither of the bills you mentioned are necessarily inflationary.

Second, lockdowns are extremely unlikely to happen again no matter who is in charge, but if public health officials tell us we need to have them then we will have them.

 

[djmich]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

Well, the $1 trillion student loan giveaway likely wouldn't be in play. That's inflationary of course. The hundreds of billions to 'fight climate change' likely wouldn't be in play either. Those are both inflationary.
The Biden admin and the democrats in both chambers are extending this period of historic inflation. It's true that the prior 2.5 years are part of the problem here due to supply chain messes and paying people to not work, but I would submit that another period of 'lockdowns' or suppressed economic activity is far more likely to happen under Democratic control than Republican.

First off neither of the bills you mentioned are necessarily inflationary.

Anybody can assert whatever they want and rationalize it whatever way they want, but you're trying way too hard to defy logic here and it is impossible to think it not because you think both are good for other reasons. Thinking both are good despite being inflationary is ok but seems like you're letting your bias get the best of rational thought.

 

[Battersbox]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

Well, the $1 trillion student loan giveaway likely wouldn't be in play. That's inflationary of course. The hundreds of billions to 'fight climate change' likely wouldn't be in play either. Those are both inflationary.
The Biden admin and the democrats in both chambers are extending this period of historic inflation. It's true that the prior 2.5 years are part of the problem here due to supply chain messes and paying people to not work, but I would submit that another period of 'lockdowns' or suppressed economic activity is far more likely to happen under Democratic control than Republican.

First off neither of the bills you mentioned are necessarily inflationary.

Second, lockdowns are extremely unlikely to happen again no matter who is in charge, but if public health officials tell us we need to have them then we will have them.

Any time we create more dollars it is inflationary. More dollars chasing static or fewer products.

To your 2nd point, I agree another lockdown is unlikely because nobody seems to want to remember who championed the start and duration of the ones we already had. And public health officials are as political as anyone else (sadly). If Andy Slavitt still had the Presdent's ear, we would be far more likely to lock down again than if we had advisors chosen by pols on the right.
Heck, there are public officials today who advocating for restrictions and they are mostly ignored. If an election weren't looming, they'd likely get more traction with politicians who are currently in power. Once mid-terms are over the threat of lockdowns will be more in play.

 

[FairWarning]

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Single day stock market gains or losses is super weak sauce. Not surprising that you weren't in here the past few days when it was going up.

Day trading drives me nuts, but you have to consider why it dropped this morning.

 

[timschochet]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

Well, the $1 trillion student loan giveaway likely wouldn't be in play. That's inflationary of course. The hundreds of billions to 'fight climate change' likely wouldn't be in play either. Those are both inflationary.
The Biden admin and the democrats in both chambers are extending this period of historic inflation. It's true that the prior 2.5 years are part of the problem here due to supply chain messes and paying people to not work, but I would submit that another period of 'lockdowns' or suppressed economic activity is far more likely to happen under Democratic control than Republican.

First off neither of the bills you mentioned are necessarily inflationary.

Anybody can assert whatever they want and rationalize it whatever way they want, but you're trying way too hard to defy logic here and it is impossible to think it not because you think both are good for other reasons. Thinking both are good despite being inflationary is ok but seems like you're letting your bias get the best of rational thought.

I don’t think so. You and others seem to be making the assumption that any time the government either spends more money or forgives money, it’s inflationary. That’s not necessarily so. In the case of the college loans, they were suspended from being paid for a long time before now. So I’m not sure how an extension of the fact creates inflation. In terms of the climate change bill, that spending is going to be over the next decade and none of it has really begun yet. A lot of it is in the form of tax incentives and if it goes well it will lead to job creation. So even though it MIGHT be inflationary long term (and this is quite debatable) it’s effect on the current inflation situation is nil.
I think my arguments above do represent “rational thought.” Of course you’re free to disagree. But don’t you think statements like “you’re letting your bias get the best of rational thought” are both patronizing and insulting?

 

[FairWarning]

And what did people do when their loans got suspended? Spent the money on other things.

 

[The General]

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Single day stock market gains or losses is super weak sauce. Not surprising that you weren't in here the past few days when it was going up.

Day trading drives me nuts, but you have to consider why it dropped this morning.

Because they are going to raise interest rates to slow things down.

 

[timschochet]

And what did people do when their loans got suspended? Spent the money on other things.

Some did. But that’s not inflationary either, necessarily. And even if it is, it’s impact on the worldwide inflation affecting us now is really insignificant.

 

[Rubiobot]

And what did people do when their loans got suspended? Spent the money on other things.

With this in mind maybe we should roll back Trump's tax cuts for the rich so they will have less money to spend.

 

[djmich]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

Well, the $1 trillion student loan giveaway likely wouldn't be in play. That's inflationary of course. The hundreds of billions to 'fight climate change' likely wouldn't be in play either. Those are both inflationary.
The Biden admin and the democrats in both chambers are extending this period of historic inflation. It's true that the prior 2.5 years are part of the problem here due to supply chain messes and paying people to not work, but I would submit that another period of 'lockdowns' or suppressed economic activity is far more likely to happen under Democratic control than Republican.

First off neither of the bills you mentioned are necessarily inflationary.

Anybody can assert whatever they want and rationalize it whatever way they want, but you're trying way too hard to defy logic here and it is impossible to think it not because you think both are good for other reasons. Thinking both are good despite being inflationary is ok but seems like you're letting your bias get the best of rational thought.

I don’t think so. You and others seem to be making the assumption that any time the government either spends more money or forgives money, it’s inflationary. That’s not necessarily so. In the case of the college loans, they were suspended from being paid for a long time before now. So I’m not sure how an extension of the fact creates inflation. In terms of the climate change bill, that spending is going to be over the next decade and none of it has really begun yet. A lot of it is in the form of tax incentives and if it goes well it will lead to job creation. So even though it MIGHT be inflationary long term (and this is quite debatable) it’s effect on the current inflation situation is nil.
I think my arguments above do represent “rational thought.” Of course you’re free to disagree. But don’t you think statements like “you’re letting your bias get the best of rational thought” are both patronizing and insulting?

What does the bold prove...other than it may be a contributing factor to our current extremely high inflation and supportive that forgiving loans increases inflation.

Your main argument seems to be that its not all at once and not going to impact right now so therefore it doesn't matter. If you want to say that ok, I think you're trying to sleight of hand minimize the impact (hey global warming isnt impacting me right now either)...but regardless your assertion that it doesn't create inflation is still untrue.

You're arguing that increasing the amount of money in peoples pockets does not increase demand and that spending a bunch of money on things doesn't increase demand. OK, you can convince yourself of that if you want.

 

[FairWarning]

And what did people do when their loans got suspended? Spent the money on other things.

With this in mind maybe we should roll back Trump's tax cuts for the rich so they will have less money to spend.

For the 100th time, roll them back.

 

[Stealthycat]

Because they are going to raise interest rates to slow things down.

things are looking up !!

 

[FairWarning]

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Single day stock market gains or losses is super weak sauce. Not surprising that you weren't in here the past few days when it was going up.

Day trading drives me nuts, but you have to consider why it dropped this morning.

Because they are going to raise interest rates to slow things down.

I’ve been in and out all morning. How much of a rise is the fed looking at?

 

[Stealthycat]

I want the economy to tank, DOW to fall hard, gas prices to soar, inflation to stay high .......... get Joe and Democrats OUT in 2024 at all costs

does that make me a bad American ?

 

[Stealthycat]

With this in mind maybe we should roll back Trump's tax cuts for the rich so they will have less money to spend.

who pays the majority of fed income taxes ?

the "rich" ......... so where there are tax cuts why shouldn't they be the ones to benefit? they're paying the bulk of the taxes

 

[Stealthycat]

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

we don't know

what we DO know, is that Biden as President and Democrats controlling Congress its been legendary increases

history will remember these 4 years and I mean like in Jimmy Carter type memories

 

[FairWarning]

I want the economy to tank, DOW to fall hard, gas prices to soar, inflation to stay high .......... get Joe and Democrats OUT in 2024 at all costs

does that make me a bad American ?

Yes, lol

 

[Sand]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

Additionally....inflation didn't just pop overnight. It was building for months and months. 2nd half of 2021 Biden and the Dems were doing everything in their power to pass a $4TRILLION package that was only blocked because Manchin wouldn't play ball. Dems and Biden were whistling past the graveyard for a long, long time.

The blue team doesn't want to hear this, but Manchin is easily the best part of the Democratic party over the last couple of years. He has done more to check inflation than anyone in office and seemingly the only blue Senator with some critical thinking skills.

 

[The General]

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Single day stock market gains or losses is super weak sauce. Not surprising that you weren't in here the past few days when it was going up.

Day trading drives me nuts, but you have to consider why it dropped this morning.

Because they are going to raise interest rates to slow things down.

I’ve been in and out all morning. How much of a rise is the fed looking at?

Who knows but the talking heads are saying 200 basis points spread over the next few months .

 

[sho nuff]

I want the economy to tank, DOW to fall hard, gas prices to soar, inflation to stay high .......... get Joe and Democrats OUT in 2024 at all costs

does that make me a bad American ?

Well...you just advocated for things that would hurt every day americans to get the other team out of office.

 

[The General]

I want the economy to tank, DOW to fall hard, gas prices to soar, inflation to stay high .......... get Joe and Democrats OUT in 2024 at all costs

does that make me a bad American ?

I don’t know but I’m sure you flipped out when some anti-Trump folks said this

 

[Sand]

Might want to change the thread title. Looking down today

I don’t think so. Inflation is a real problem, but it’s not the only issue motivating voters. I also think the message is slowly reaching people: the Republicans, if they win this November, will do nothing to reduce inflation.

With a veto pen it will be hard to "get anything done". But certainly substantial proposals over regulatory costs (which Biden has way outstripped Obama in increasing compliance cost there) and unleashing our energy capabilities instead of groveling to SA and Venezuela will be out there. Both of those are quite disinflationary.

If the Republicans held every seat in the House, Senate, and the Presidency as well, I still don’t believe they could reduce inflation.

Well, the $1 trillion student loan giveaway likely wouldn't be in play. That's inflationary of course. The hundreds of billions to 'fight climate change' likely wouldn't be in play either. Those are both inflationary.
The Biden admin and the democrats in both chambers are extending this period of historic inflation. It's true that the prior 2.5 years are part of the problem here due to supply chain messes and paying people to not work, but I would submit that another period of 'lockdowns' or suppressed economic activity is far more likely to happen under Democratic control than Republican.

First off neither of the bills you mentioned are necessarily inflationary.

Of course they were.

 

[Stealthycat]

Yes, lol

were the people in this thread bad American's too ? how did you vote ? I didn't see you speaking out against all the people wanting a Recession than - 60% of those responding

Trump Opponents - Would you rather have a Recession or Trump Re-election?

well that was my point ... it was fine 4 years ago to say get rid of Trump in exchange for record inflation, record gas, record border crisis, higher crime, war between Ukraine/Russia - all the things that are setting us in motion for upcoming Recession ... people here wanted it ... they got it...

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View results: Trump Opponents - Would you rather have a Recession or Trump Re-election?

• For sure rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election​

  Votes: 83 46.6%

• Probably rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election​

  Votes: 29 16.3%

• On the fence​

  Votes: 8 4.5%

• Probably not rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election​

  Votes: 17 9.6%

• For sure not rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election​

  Votes: 41 23.0%

 

[Stealthycat]

Well...you just advocated for things that would hurt every day americans to get the other team out of office.

read that thread ... how does it look in retrospect ?

"Seems most are saying yes to not believing 4 more years of Trump is worse for the country. They are literally putting country over party or person."

so if I believe 4 more years of Biden is worse..... I'm actually putting country over party right ??

 

[timschochet]

I want the economy to tank, DOW to fall hard, gas prices to soar, inflation to stay high .......... get Joe and Democrats OUT in 2024 at all costs

does that make me a bad American ?

Yes, IMO.

During Trump’s time in office, I never wanted bad things to happen, or people to suffer. Those that did were bad Americans, just as you are being right now. Your attitude is disgusting IMO.

 

[timschochet]

Yes, lol

were the people in this thread bad American's too ? how did you vote ? I didn't see you speaking out against all the people wanting a Recession than - 60% of those responding

Trump Opponents - Would you rather have a Recession or Trump Re-election?

well that was my point ... it was fine 4 years ago to say get rid of Trump in exchange for record inflation, record gas, record border crisis, higher crime, war between Ukraine/Russia - all the things that are setting us in motion for upcoming Recession ... people here wanted it ... they got it...

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View results: Trump Opponents - Would you rather have a Recession or Trump Re-election?

• For sure rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election​

  Votes: 83 46.6%

• Probably rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election​

  Votes: 29 16.3%

• On the fence​

  Votes: 8 4.5%

• Probably not rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election​

  Votes: 17 9.6%

• For sure not rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election​

  Votes: 41 23.0%

Yes the people in that thread that wanted a recession were bad Americans. Absolutely. They were disgusting, as you are being now.

 

[Stealthycat]

Yes the people in that thread that wanted a recession were bad Americans. Absolutely. They were disgusting, as you are being now.

you got my point - thank you

of course I was making a point - I read that thread and saw your views/comments and mine as well and what everyone here knows is I am American's first

 

[The General]

Because they are going to raise interest rates to slow things down.

things are looking up !!

What tools would you have the FED use to impact inflation?

 

[sho nuff]

Well...you just advocated for things that would hurt every day americans to get the other team out of office.

read that thread ... how does it look in retrospect ?

"Seems most are saying yes to not believing 4 more years of Trump is worse for the country. They are literally putting country over party or person."

so if I believe 4 more years of Biden is worse..... I'm actually putting country over party right ??

I read it...it was more nuanced than the poll and more so than what you stated.
Most were clear in saying it was worse...but you did not couch it with 4 more years of biden was worse...from what you said that I replied to...you said you wanted them out at all costs.
That is not the same thing as what many were saying in that thread.
At all costs is different than...I prefer a recession to a likely recession as well as other things being worse. Other things like tearing now democratic norms and free and fair elections.