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Tim - as a conservative, I hope she’s not. I’m burned out on the us vs them politics. She plays this angle also.
First, I appreciate disagreement.Yeah, I don't agree with this. This is literally a subform to discuss politics. Highly polarizing political figures will frequently do or say things worthy of discussion. Having a thread dedicated to certain individuals seems like a reasonable way to categorize those discussions.
I have several conservative friends who have attempted to draw an equivalency between AOC and Greene. They've displayed high levels of self-satisfaction and pleasure when making their claims, almost as if such statements are some sort of "dunk" on the left.Right. One is demonized because of her politics. The other is demonized because she spreads lies and is insane.
To me, it's pure tribalism. A false equivalence is drawn simply because blue team bad, thus player on blue team bad. This is amplified by media and social media training them to believe AOC is a Socialist devil.I have several conservative friends who have attempted to draw an equivalency between AOC and Greene. They've displayed high levels of self-satisfaction and pleasure when making their claims, almost as if such statements are some sort of "dunk" on the left.
My first thought is that such attempts to equalize are just reactionary and cynical defense mechanisms.
My second thought is that if such attempts are sincere, then it's a sign that they no longer have the ability to distinguish between "policy" and "insanity".
Agree with this and frankly, this #### sells or gets clicks or whatever metric you are using to measure success today. I don't believe AOC or MTG represent their parties or their parties beliefs. I think a lot of it is just "look at me" but it's hyper inflated on the national stage they are currently on.First, I appreciate disagreement.
But to the point, there are lots of reasons why our current problems exist, but a microphone in front of the fringes is absolutely one of them. The right did it to AOC because doing so engages their base and increases profits for their media and the left is doing it with MTG for the same purpose. Neither of those things solves any of our existing problems though; they perpetuate them.
"I believe that socialism is inherently wrong" is an example of a political belief.To me, it's pure tribalism. A false equivalence is drawn simply because blue team bad, thus player on blue team bad. This is amplified by media and social media training them to believe AOC is a Socialist devil.
Further example of the pointlessness of this "unity" narrative. These people are not reachable. And they are dangerously out of step with reality."I believe that socialism is inherently wrong" is an example of a political belief.
"I believe that school shootings are a hoax and that the children aren't really dead" is not.
Those who attempt to create an equivalence between AOC and Greene are blurring the lines between two disparate concepts, between reality and fantasy.
I don't, either. AOC is infinitely more influential, so just a little crazy from her has orders of magnitude more effect on the governed than the loony crazy of Greene.Don't see any comparison with AOC at all.
Consider MTG is just beginning to get her notoriety. We've seen how easily the MAGA clan can be manipulated, so the jury's out on what kind of effect her lunacy might have.I don't, either. AOC is infinitely more influential, so just a little crazy from her has orders of magnitude more effect on the governed than the loony crazy of Greene.
Because of Parkland, the Republicans in the 2 seats flipped in Miami-Dade, Gimenez & Salazar, are in a tough spot politically. But it should be easy vote to remove Greene from the education committee assignment.Just breaking: after Kevin McCarthy refuses to remove Marjorie Taylor Greene from her committee, Steny Hoyer calls for a House vote for later today.
https://www.washingtonpost.com
god help us if either are the future.I don’t agree. They have almost nothing in common except that both may represent the future of their party and both are therefore worthy of discussion.
OMG - tim....is this you?!? Perhaps your greatest post ever.Taylor Greene is no Neanderthal. She’s college educated, a product of her culture. Referring to her as a “loon” ignores the fact that many of her ideas have been carefully nurtured by right wing media and tolerated by right wing politicians for decades. Guys like McConnell can criticize her all they want (and I’m glad they are) but they created her.
I’d look forward to that - though I don’t shake hands anymore!tommyGunZ said:OMG - tim....is this you?!? Perhaps your greatest post ever.
I am spending quite a bit more time in OC these days as I follow my daughters softball team. I will DM you the next time I have a free hour or two; would love to buy you a beer and shake your hand.
I won't feel like Republicans have dealt with the issue properly until Susan Collins announces her concern.squistion said:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1357085378012872704
Kevin McCarthy does not indicate that he'll take any action against Marjorie Taylor Greene. He said that, in his meeting with her, she recognized her words now have "much greater meaning." Greene has not yet indicated that in public.
Much greater meaning?
If she took him out, that would be epic. Unlikely imo.Marco Rubio, who represents the entire state of Florida, including Parkland, is being humiliated on Twitter for a lame response to Greene. The door is opening a little more for Nikki Fried in 2022.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_601b06d9c5b6c0af54d07490/amp
Yep, Rubio will be hard to beat in 2022. But Nikki has hemp and weed industry support, along with weed user votes. Maybe she runs for governor, which will be easier to win.If she took him out, that would be epic. Unlikely imo.
Jake Sherman reporting that MTG got a standing ovation from some GOP members after speaking for 2 minutes in their meeting this evening.Kevin McCarthy’s statement is so incredibly lame. He’s really putting his party in deep #### here. Or perhaps they’re putting him there.
Meanwhile, at the same time as Greene is not being punished, GOP House members are actually expecting Liz Cheney to apologize for voting to impeach Trump. She won’t.
Will Rubio beat out Ivanka in the GOQ primary?Yep, Rubio will be hard to beat in 2022. But Nikki has hemp and weed industry support, along with weed user votes. Maybe she runs for governor, which will be easier to win.
I see what you did there.Will Rubio beat out Ivanka in the GOQ primary?
I apologize, but who is Jake Sherman? and how many is some?Jake Sherman reporting that MTG got a standing ovation from some GOP members after speaking for 2 minutes in their meeting this evening.
At what point do we stop suggesting the GOP isn’t this awful, when they keep telling and showing us over and over again that the ignorance, corruption, and grift is a feature, not a bug?
Isn't 1 too many?I apologize, but who is Jake Sherman? and how many is some?
I dont agree with the left side extreme, dont agree with right side extreme. 1 too much on both sides is too much, but there are many there.Isn't 1 too many?
Roughly half the GOP conference according to Cameron Joseph, who is a reporter for Vice.I apologize, but who is Jake Sherman? and how many is some?
how many attended this conference? are we talking the whole GOP? that would be disappointing.Roughly half the GOP conference according to Cameron Joseph, who is a reporter for Vice.
Former Politco reporter who founded an outfit called Punchbowl News, which focuses on Washington insider stuff.I apologize, but who is Jake Sherman? and how many is some?Jake Sherman reporting that MTG got a standing ovation from some GOP members after speaking for 2 minutes in their meeting this evening.
At what point do we stop suggesting the GOP isn’t this awful, when they keep telling and showing us over and over again that the ignorance, corruption, and grift is a feature, not a bug?
When People refer to the “House GOP Conference” they are referring to the subset of Republican members of the House and any independent who typically votes with them (for instance, Angug King and Bernie Sanders are independents who conference with Senate Democrats).how many attended this conference? are we talking the whole GOP? that would be disappointing.
It's a meeting of the House Republican Conference (i.e., all Republican members of the House).how many attended this conference? are we talking the whole GOP? that would be disappointing.
As someone that has lost a young family member to a random act of violence, to hell with all of them. That's putting it nicely. What horrible, horrible, "people".It's a meeting of the House Republican Conference (i.e., all Republican members of the House).
Roughly half of them gave Marjorie Taylor Greene a standing ovation.
30 of them have asked to speak out regarding Liz Cheney.
Sincerely sorry for your loss, and hesitate to post, but you mean all of them, anyone that may vote R over D? Anyone R isn't a people?As someone that has lost a young family member to a random act of violence, to hell with all of them. That's putting it nicely. What horrible, horrible, "people".
All the GOP who gave her a standing ovation.Sincerely sorry for your loss, and hesitate to post, but you mean all of them, anyone that may vote R over D? Anyone R isn't a people?
Thanks. In many ways has effectively ruined my life. The post was directed at her and all of the R's that gave her a standing ovation. The parent's of the children murdered at Sandy Hook and every other school shooting should be called to the capitol to shame these sorry excuses for humans. It's sickening.Sincerely sorry for your loss, and hesitate to post, but you mean all of them, anyone that may vote R over D? Anyone R isn't a people?
Well you’ve been making this argument for the last 4 years. I’ve tried to believe otherwise. But I have to say it’s really depressing.Jake Sherman reporting that MTG got a standing ovation from some GOP members after speaking for 2 minutes in their meeting this evening.
At what point do we stop suggesting the GOP isn’t this awful, when they keep telling and showing us over and over again that the ignorance, corruption, and grift is a feature, not a bug?
Is Marjorie Taylor Greene the immediate future of the GOP?
honestly asking, what did she say during this conference? 2nd time i've asked, no one's provided quotes, I want to know to know if I should be outraged as well.All the GOP who gave her a standing ovation.
I lived in CT when that happened. people in my firm lost children. share your pain tangentially. that was real, don't care for anyone who says that wasn't real.Thanks. In many ways has effectively ruined my life. The post was directed at her and all of the R's that gave her a standing ovation. The parent's of the children murdered at Sandy Hook and every other school shooting should be called to the capitol to shame these sorry excuses for humans. It's sickening.
At this point, maybe just Google it? Or you know, stop playing coy and admit you won’t be outraged no matter what?honestly asking, what did she say during this conference? 2nd time i've asked, no one's provided quotes, I want to know to know if I should be outraged as well.
Another difference is that Republicans were already calling for Omar to be rebuked and/or stripped of assignments. They want Democrats to adhere to standards which they refuse to honor themselves.The latest Republican “threat” is that if Democrats carry through with forcing a vote on Taylor Greene, Republicans will propose a vote on removing Ilhan Omar from her committees; Ms. Omar has made vile anti-Semitic comments in the past.
Of course there is a difference here. Omar was called on by Nancy Pelosi to apologize, and Omar did apologize and has spent the last year meeting with Jewish groups to learn about avoiding using anti-Semitic tropes in the future. Personally I’m no fan of Omar and I fervently wish she was not a member of Congress. But this attempt by members of the GOP to avoid addressing Taylor Greene and simply attack the other side is just awful.
Apparently the ovation came after she claimed that "social media posts do not reflect who she is as a person" .honestly asking, what did she say during this conference? 2nd time i've asked, no one's provided quotes, I want to know to know if I should be outraged as well.All the GOP who gave her a standing ovation.