The Miami Dolphins (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

I think my sour taste towards the NFL ad FF in general the last many years has been a culmination of watching my favortie team disintegrate in the last 10 years and not even try to improve itself by at least picking a QB in the 1st round one time after Dan Marino retired. In fact Miami has only ever taken one QB in the last 30 years in the 1st round and it was Dan Marino...2nd to last pick I might add of that 1st round.

Is it not painfully obvious we need at least an avg QB? Kyle Orton looks like Tom Brady to us fans down here. Ok maybe not all of us but he gives us a fighting chance. We have nothing at QB and this regime doesn't seem to think its a problem.

Matt Moore? Really, the QB3 in Carolina? Maybe he wasn't on the Panthers last year but I just want to go to Dolphins practice and heckle these new guys. Even Reggie Bush...I just want to ask him if he can bring the Heisman with him to practice so we can return it to the Downtwn Athletic Club like he said he would last season(it's still in his house). I really do want to get near the guy and heckle the crap out of him, I give him zero respect ad I don't think Miami should have wasted the money on him; he's gonna fail miserably as he did on a much more talented Saints team.

And the fans are so stupid down here. In fact the fans, media, owners, coaches...I can't think of another city where announcers who openly root for the opposition like the Jets and Giants actually get to host afternoon talk shows on the radio. I doubt in Pittsburgh that they have radio hosts openly rooting for Baltimore or Cleveland on the drive home. I get teased by friends in other cities for not going to the games even though I am a Miami fan...but why should I support this? Just because I was born in Miami?

There are no players on this team that I really want to go see play, not one player I want to actually sport a jersey for, the coach is a joke and should have been fired last year but somehow is still here, Parcells did a decent job but left ASAP b4 it was even close to being finished. Miami spent over $150 million on the OL when Parcells got here...does it resemble the best OL in footbal?

Gawd I picked the wrong week to stop drinking.

 

[bengalbuck]

Haha, at least you're not a Bengals fan like me. We have basically no hope of winning anytime soon.

At least I'm excited about AJ Green though. If the Bengals lose by 20 next season but AJ has a big game, I'll probably get some enjoyment out of watching.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Lion's fan checking in....enough said.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think everyone's very quick to dismiss Henne. The guy has started like 20 games. Is that enough to really know if he has the goods? Kyle Orton wasnt taking the Fins to the superbowl anyway.

 

[JFurby]

So what is your solution...blow everything up again? Most Miami fans have the same demands after every season- new coach and new quarterback. Ten years of throwing new #### against the wall every two years hasn't worked out so well.

Henne has had less than 2 years of game experience, all under a 70 year old has-been offensive coordinator. That may be good grounds for questioning the GM and coaching staff but give them some offsetting credit for securing one of the best coordinators on the other side of the ball during that same time frame.

Bottom line is that some continuity in coaching staff and the QB position is the only thing that will get the team out of the decade long toilet spin. Matt Moore will create a legitimate competition at the QB position with a new OC, improved interior line, and fresh running game. He is young, cheap, and didn't cost any more picks.

I like the approach more than blowing our wad on the biggest name, while mortgaging all our future high draft picks. That is what we have done for years, leaving the next coaching staff handcuffed every time they arrive to clean things up. I remain pretty optimistic that the change from Dan Henning to anyone else will make more difference to this team than any other trade or free agency move you could dream up.

 

[NeverEnough]

Henne is not the answer. Period.

Sporano needs to be fired.

 

[Man In The Box]

Chin up, guys. We are going to war with Moore in our quest to suck for Luck.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So what is your solution...blow everything up again? Most Miami fans have the same demands after every season- new coach and new quarterback. Ten years of throwing new #### against the wall every two years hasn't worked out so well.Henne has had less than 2 years of game experience, all under a 70 year old has-been offensive coordinator. That may be good grounds for questioning the GM and coaching staff but give them some offsetting credit for securing one of the best coordinators on the other side of the ball during that same time frame.Bottom line is that some continuity in coaching staff and the QB position is the only thing that will get the team out of the decade long toilet spin. Matt Moore will create a legitimate competition at the QB position with a new OC, improved interior line, and fresh running game. He is young, cheap, and didn't cost any more picks.I like the approach more than blowing our wad on the biggest name, while mortgaging all our future high draft picks. That is what we have done for years, leaving the next coaching staff handcuffed every time they arrive to clean things up. I remain pretty optimistic that the change from Dan Henning to anyone else will make more difference to this team than any other trade or free agency move you could dream up.

1. Mortgage future draft picks? Part of the problem the last 10 years is we have stunk in the draft for the most part. Things haven't change that much so if Orton was going to cost a 2nd, I would have done it in a heartbeat with the idea that Miami would still over the next 2-3 years be looking in the draft for their QB of the future. Orton was Pennington with a neckbeard and he probably could have had Miami at least on the door steps of a wildcard. In 2008 after a 1-15 season with just an avg QB like Penninton ruinning a conservative ball control offense we managed to make the playoffs. And put it another way it would have allowd Miami to see if they really have the goods where they pride themselves and that is along the OL/DL and the rest of the back 7 on defense...that's where this regime wants the strength of their football team. If Orton is decent and therest of the team is as good as they think it is then we shoul be good enough to make th eplayoffs. If not then we need a hekuva lot more than just a QB and that might very well be the case. 2. Give Henne more time? Ownership is loving fans like you. Henne has played most of the last 2 seasons and he looks noting like an NFL QB right now. He couldn't hit the broad sid eofa barn last year ad he also throws intrceptions too often. If you want to give Henne more time then get rid of vets like the MLB they brough in last year that wasn't really much of a game changer. Get young, fine but get young. Don't wste money on Reggie Bush when you don't have the players to help exploit any talents he might have. New Orleans is a Super Bowl contender and they went out and spent a 1st round pick on a RB and let Bush go so they must not think that much of him. Plus he has a ring already so there is no incentive for him to do much of anything. Awful move by the Phins just awful. 3. Coaching? How can a coach who was almost let go, in fact he was gone, suddenly gets a contract extension once the owner is done chasing Harbaugh, pathetic. How can Sporano have any real respect of his team? He can't and this whole thing is gonna blow up in their face.

 

[culdeus]

I was pretty shocked to find out just how non-competitive this franchise has been since the 80s. It doesn't seem like Miami should be lumped in with the Bengals Lions and Texans, but really at this point you sort of have to.

 

[Reaper]

I think everyone's very quick to dismiss Henne. The guy has started like 20 games. Is that enough to really know if he has the goods? Kyle Orton wasnt taking the Fins to the superbowl anyway.

I've been saying that forever and in the Henne threads....What's funny is, I see so many internet discussions about Mark Sanchez and you will get flooded with Miami fans who want to talk about Henne being just as good... And heck, i won't even fight that too much.... A lot remains to be seen when it comes to young QB's....But, it just seems like Miami brass won't back him up at all, heck Parcells walked out throwing Henne under the bus.... is it work ethic and things we don't see?Listen to some big names on Twitter and there's a lot of talk about Miami's Defense being potentially top5... I think it's Matt Williamson that's saying this a lot...So.. Top 5 Defense, OL being built, Rookie RB plus Reggie Bush, Brandon Marshall, Pass rushers, young CB's...IF I'M A FAN I"M NOT CRYING AT ALL!!!!!!!!And you know what - Maybe they did keep Sporano because the lockout wouldn't give them time to transition - As a fan, I'm even happy with that - Sparano is Win or hit the road and then you hope for Cowher.The only thing I do question as a Jets fan is why in the world anyone would hand the reigns of an offense over to Brian Dabol. I see fans giddy that Henning is gone but, As they say IMO Henning has forgotten more than Dabol will ever know...

 

[thriftyrocker]

Kyle Orton wasnt taking the Fins to the superbowl anyway.

Miami with Orton/Vince and Bradshaw wins at least 7 games, as many as 10. Miami with Henne/Moore and Reggie Bush wins at least 0 games, as many as 5. They are cheap and gave up. I would be mad too.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I was pretty shocked to find out just how non-competitive this franchise has been since the 80s. It doesn't seem like Miami should be lumped in with the Bengals Lions and Texans, but really at this point you sort of have to.

Would you rather have the Detroit Lions or the Miami Dolphins right now? I said last year I would take Detroit before they had even done much on the field. Now it's a slam dunk that Detroit is a better team and has way more long term upside then Miami right now. Miami has not been a powerhouse since Shula retired; it's as simple as that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You know your QB situation sux when the guy starting for you, if he were cut no team in the NFL would sign him with the intention of starting him. Meaning there isn't an NFL franchise really that Henne would walk on and start for. That's how you know you have a pitiful QB.

 

[plastik]

Phins fan here too, born and raised in MIA, and agree that it has been an awfully painful decade since Marino retired. But I'm a bit more hopeful that you, MOP.

The only viable 1st round QB (imo) that we had a shot at in the last 5 years was Matt Ryan, but I still think Jake Long is a difference maker and one of the best young LTs in the league. Its not difficult to think that the dolphins have one of the 10 best OL's in the league. Our defense is on the rise and stacked with young talent. Clearly the offensive skill positions are our biggest issue... but I still have some hope.

Our running game should improve with Thomas and a healthy OL and, though I'm in the vast minority in thinking this, I'm still holding out hope that Henne can be a viable starter. In the last two years Henne has completed over 60% of his passes, a promising statistic, and this while trowing to a pretty lackluster (or injury plagued) WR corps. His main issues seem to have been (and this is just my impression from watching games) poor accuracy on long passes and making poor decisions at important moments. This year I think we see more short passing to guys who can make things happen after the catch (Marshall, Bush, Gates). With the added weapons, a healthy Marshall, and a healthy OL I think Henne will (if he remains the starter) post career best statistics this season... I'm thinking something like 3600 yds, 20 TDs, 14 int... which would make him a low-end QB2 in fantasy and a serviceable NFL starter.

While everybody is really down on Henne now, I think he showed some promise in 2009, and in 2010 the offense was simply in shambles around him. I think he beats our Moore to start this year, and puts up unspectacular but surprising and serviceable numbers.

That said, we still DO need a franchise QB and I agree that Henne isn't one. With the new rookie wage system and several nice prospects coming out next year I'll be disappointed if we don't break the trend and grab a QB in the 1st round in 2012, even if we have to trade up.

 

[FinHead]

I think everyone's very quick to dismiss Henne. The guy has started like 20 games. Is that enough to really know if he has the goods? Kyle Orton wasnt taking the Fins to the superbowl anyway.

I'm very happy we didn't get Orton!!!Henne was not the issue last year, so give him one more year to see if he develops.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Wow...Miami fans just rolling over and taking what Ross says as credible analysis, just incredible. Guy was on the radio and TV today polishing Ireland's rocket in front of the media telling everyone what a good job he did of standing his ground...you talk about some good BS spin, Ross is king of this. He put some ridonkulous spin on keeping Sporano last year, now Miami was never really interested in Orton.

I'm perplexed by the fans down here. The knowledge or ability to look at what is happening and has been happening the past 10-15 years is pretty shocking to me. I don't know if I can go on and actually call myself a Dolphinsfan in good faith. Even here at FBG, the Phins are one of the worst covered of all the teams. If I don't fire up a thread no one will. Look at the legions of fans for so many of the other teams. Phinsfans don't really care, we got the beach, mall, and movies to keep us occupied on Sundays.

 

[culdeus]

Wow...Miami fans just rolling over and taking what Ross says as credible analysis, just incredible. Guy was on the radio and TV today polishing Ireland's rocket in front of the media telling everyone what a good job he did of standing his ground...you talk about some good BS spin, Ross is king of this. He put some ridonkulous spin on keeping Sporano last year, now Miami was never really interested in Orton.I'm perplexed by the fans down here. The knowledge or ability to look at what is happening and has been happening the past 10-15 years is pretty shocking to me. I don't know if I can go on and actually call myself a Dolphinsfan in good faith. Even here at FBG, the Phins are one of the worst covered of all the teams. If I don't fire up a thread no one will. Look at the legions of fans for so many of the other teams. Phinsfans don't really care, we got the beach, mall, and movies to keep us occupied on Sundays.

It is the same for all florida pro sports. This team is no different. I'm still not entirely clear why Jacksonville needs a pro sports franchise. Why not San Antonio?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Wow...Miami fans just rolling over and taking what Ross says as credible analysis, just incredible. Guy was on the radio and TV today polishing Ireland's rocket in front of the media telling everyone what a good job he did of standing his ground...you talk about some good BS spin, Ross is king of this. He put some ridonkulous spin on keeping Sporano last year, now Miami was never really interested in Orton.I'm perplexed by the fans down here. The knowledge or ability to look at what is happening and has been happening the past 10-15 years is pretty shocking to me. I don't know if I can go on and actually call myself a Dolphinsfan in good faith. Even here at FBG, the Phins are one of the worst covered of all the teams. If I don't fire up a thread no one will. Look at the legions of fans for so many of the other teams. Phinsfans don't really care, we got the beach, mall, and movies to keep us occupied on Sundays.

It is the same for all florida pro sports. This team is no different. I'm still not entirely clear why Jacksonville needs a pro sports franchise. Why not San Antonio?

Bucsfans are 20 x better than Phinsfans, I can attest to that. They had the stadium sold out for most of the Dungy years and Gruden up until the last couple seasons. I bet folks are buying up tickets right now for the Bucs games...no rush down here in Miami.

 

[moleculo]

I think that Denver was asking for a 2, but settled for a 3 w/ Miami. From what i've read, the deal sank because the Dolphins wanted a more cap friendly contract, and Orton wanted a long-term deal. Orton is under no obligation to take a pay cut, and frankly, i don't blame him. He will enter 2012 as a free-agent, and will be able to dictate terms, so why should he acquiesce to Miami right now?

So, IMO, that's what it boils down to. Miami will start the season with the guy who couldn't keep Clausen on the bench and a guy who management has already publicly said isn't good enough. The bush signing, and the fact that they are ok w/ a $10m 2 yr contract for him, leads me to believe that Miami is all about flash and attracting bandwagon fans, with no long-term commitment to getting better.

I understand dolfan frustrations...its been a rough decade or so.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The title of the thread should have been "Why does Miami hate QBs?"

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think that Denver was asking for a 2, but settled for a 3 w/ Miami. From what i've read, the deal sank because the Dolphins wanted a more cap friendly contract, and Orton wanted a long-term deal. Orton is under no obligation to take a pay cut, and frankly, i don't blame him. He will enter 2012 as a free-agent, and will be able to dictate terms, so why should he acquiesce to Miami right now?So, IMO, that's what it boils down to. Miami will start the season with the guy who couldn't keep Clausen on the bench and a guy who management has already publicly said isn't good enough. The bush signing, and the fact that they are ok w/ a $10m 2 yr contract for him, leads me to believe that Miami is all about flash and attracting bandwagon fans, with no long-term commitment to getting better.I understand dolfan frustrations...its been a rough decade or so.

Excellent points Moleculo!!!Why should Orton take a pay cut? People might not think much of him but he makes about $6m this year I think and he signed that deal last year. End of year he is a free agent and someone is going to bring him in and give him a decent contract so I don't blame him although I would have loved to see him in a Miami uniform. I think he would have solved a lot of problems for the next couple years. QB3 in Carolina now the QB1 in Miami, that should mean a lot of wins for us this year. Maybe Ross is trying to go like 1-15 with a lame duck coach. I'm cheering for Miami to lose every single game this year. Another nightmare is ths team winning 68 games a year for the next 10 years...purgatory if you ask me.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I think my sour taste towards the NFL ad FF in general the last many years has been a culmination of watching my favortie team disintegrate in the last 10 years and not even try to improve itself by at least picking a QB in the 1st round one time after Dan Marino retired. In fact Miami has only ever taken one QB in the last 30 years in the 1st round and it was Dan Marino...2nd to last pick I might add of that 1st round. Is it not painfully obvious we need at least an avg QB? Kyle Orton looks like Tom Brady to us fans down here. Ok maybe not all of us but he gives us a fighting chance. We have nothing at QB and this regime doesn't seem to think its a problem. Matt Moore? Really, the QB3 in Carolina? Maybe he wasn't on the Panthers last year but I just want to go to Dolphins practice and heckle these new guys. Even Reggie Bush...I just want to ask him if he can bring the Heisman with him to practice so we can return it to the Downtwn Athletic Club like he said he would last season(it's still in his house). I really do want to get near the guy and heckle the crap out of him, I give him zero respect ad I don't think Miami should have wasted the money on him; he's gonna fail miserably as he did on a much more talented Saints team. And the fans are so stupid down here. In fact the fans, media, owners, coaches...I can't think of another city where announcers who openly root for the opposition like the Jets and Giants actually get to host afternoon talk shows on the radio. I doubt in Pittsburgh that they have radio hosts openly rooting for Baltimore or Cleveland on the drive home. I get teased by friends in other cities for not going to the games even though I am a Miami fan...but why should I support this? Just because I was born in Miami?There are no players on this team that I really want to go see play, not one player I want to actually sport a jersey for, the coach is a joke and should have been fired last year but somehow is still here, Parcells did a decent job but left ASAP b4 it was even close to being finished. Miami spent over $150 million on the OL when Parcells got here...does it resemble the best OL in footbal? Gawd I picked the wrong week to stop drinking.

Cheer for the Pats. The Krafts are awesome owners.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cheer for the Pats. The Krafts are awesome owners.

I'll never join the dark side.

 

[saintsfan1977]

The only thing I do question as a Jets fan is why in the world anyone would hand the reigns of an offense over to Brian Dabol. I see fans giddy that Henning is gone but, As they say IMO Henning has forgotten more than Dabol will ever know...

Careful with that analysis. He knows the Jets which could be why Miami hired him. If he helps Miami beat the Jets just once this year, it would make a difference to that team. Fans think coaches suck every year and when said coaches are fired and hired by a division rival, it has a tendency to backfire. Happens every year and the avg joe cant ever understand that.

 

[Todem]

36 year Dolphin fan here.

I don't care about Orton. yeah he would be a slight upgrade from Henne, but he maybe wins one or two more games. So instead of going maybe 7-9 or 8-8 we go 9-7..and best case 10-6. We are not going deep in the post season with or without him. I would not pay more than a 3rd rounder for Orton and nothing more. So I don't think we are being cheap. We are being smart on this one. We were already hoodwinked by trading a second rounder for AJ Feely and then what will go down as the worst draft pick in Dolphins history in taking Pat White in the second round.

I was a big believer in Henne in 2009. But last season he was horrid. Forget that he had a failing running game around him and a under achiving OL. He was robotic, he looked stiff, confused and not confident. He does not look like a franchise QB. And Parcells drafted him to be just that. Once Bill realized he was a bust he bailed. He took so many steps back last season. Can he turn it around? Probably not. But I will be thrilled to eat all kinds of crow if he does. Please Henne....prove me wrong.

Our OL should be improved this year. Our defense is a young and up and coming unit. Our WR corp is getting better with Marshall and Bess and I have some high hopes Edmund Gates opens up the middle of the field for us. We could use another veteran WR though and TE is an area of need as well.

QB has been the thorn in our side since Marino. If I were the GM I would have taken a shot with Vince Young. You had nothing to lose and maybe some upside to gain.

The Dolphins just need to stick to the plan of building through good drafts and getting key Free agents. Dansby was a great signing last year and Bush may be a nice pick up if (and it is a big if) he can suit up for 16 games and give us a dynamic playmaker on the special teams (punt returns) and be that defesive matchup headache out of the back field.

Daniel Thomas is a big wild card. Can he be a lead back and provide the carries needed to move the chains?

I don't have a ton of expectations for this season. 7-9 - 8-8 is my projection.

I hope my team can surprise me.

 

[JFurby]

House of Pain, I don't mean to pick on you directly here but I found a post of yours in the Culpepper to Miami Thread from 2006 that is a good representation of how most dolphins fans felt at the time of the trade. At the time, public opinion aligned with what the franchise did.

1. Anyone that thinks giving up a 2nd rounder for CPepp is too much is whacked. How many 2nd rounders flounder in the NFL...how many draft picks period. This is a terrific move for the Dolphins. His knee will heal well enough so he can move around the pocket...Saban will advise this guy not to take off and I think you will see a guy that returns much like Trent Green did.

2. As much as I like Brees and his decision making, I am a bit worried about his throwing arm and I would not want to invest $10 million a year into a guy that COULD and I stress could be in a Pennington type situation. I actually like Brees a lot and I hope if he does play in NO that he succeeds there...he is one of the good guys in the league and helped turn around a terrible franchise in San Diego.

3. Miami went 9-7 without much on offense last season. Now they have a franchise back who is not wet behind the ears...they have signed a LT that may justbe average but that's better than what they had. Carey at RT will progress along. The interior of the OL need some upgrading and they still may sign someone at Center to shore things up...maybe draft a Guard and they are in good shape there. Chambers will maintain a high level. McMichael if he can stop committing domestic violence issues may still have some tricks we have not seen yet so I expect even bigger things from him. CPepp likes to toss the ball to the TE and Wiggins is a far cry from RM.

Now if they can shore up some holes on defense...Arrington would be an awful sweet signing but I would think they would have him already. Also CPepp coming to Miami is going to make them look more like a contender and I think you will see some of these FA wanting to play for Miami.

Great day in Miami if this deal goes thru.

Again, not trying to pick on you specifically but just highlighting that the typical dolphin fan preferred strategy of trading high picks for other teams used goods has not panned out as expected in the past.You and I and all other dolphin fans can agree that the team should have addressed the need with a first round pick years ago, but throwing good picks and money after more bad won't get us out of the hole.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

House of Pain, I don't mean to pick on you directly here but I found a post of yours in the Culpepper to Miami Thread from 2006 that is a good representation of how most dolphins fans felt at the time of the trade. At the time, public opinion aligned with what the franchise did.

Again, not trying to pick on you specifically but just highlighting that the typical dolphin fan preferred strategy of trading high picks for other teams used goods has not panned out as expected in the past.

You and I and all other dolphin fans can agree that the team should have addressed the need with a first round pick years ago, but throwing good picks and money after more bad won't get us out of the hole.

I don't mind but the reality is Miami took the wrong guy. They take Brees and it's a different story. In 2006 we all thought Ronnie Brown was a frachise RB.I don't mind what they tried to do with CPepp, at least they tried. They blow 2nd round picks every year in the draft and they don't pan out. Look up their last 10 years of drafting, it's awful.

We can cut and paste from the archives and for better or worse I have a lot to pick thru as I enjoy speaking my mind.

Orton has 41 TDs vs 21 picks over the last 2 years, he is light years btter than what we have. A 2nd rounder next year can be recouped. Mind boggling to me to bring in Matt Moore, QB3 in Carolina, ty very much.

 

[Sweet Love]

Not to pile on, but I read this from Rotoworld...I always thought Crowder was good and am surprised he is just 27...was his contract THAT bad?

Dolphins released ILB Channing Crowder.

Crowder was able to play in just 11 games last year due to groin and leg injuries. That allowed Tim Dobbins to step in and hold his own at the inside linebacker spot. Apparently, the Dolphins liked what they saw and will now roll with Dobbins as the much cheaper alternative. The loud-mouthed Crowder is still only 27 and should attract interest from teams in need of an inside linebacker.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Not to pile on, but I read this from Rotoworld...I always thought Crowder was good and am surprised he is just 27...was his contract THAT bad?Dolphins released ILB Channing Crowder.Crowder was able to play in just 11 games last year due to groin and leg injuries. That allowed Tim Dobbins to step in and hold his own at the inside linebacker spot. Apparently, the Dolphins liked what they saw and will now roll with Dobbins as the much cheaper alternative. The loud-mouthed Crowder is still only 27 and should attract interest from teams in need of an inside linebacker.

He was more sizzle than steak. He was OK but they went out and got Dansby so they were not going to pay Crowder big bucks. He'll land somewhere.

 

[Sweet Love]

Not to pile on, but I read this from Rotoworld...I always thought Crowder was good and am surprised he is just 27...was his contract THAT bad?Dolphins released ILB Channing Crowder.Crowder was able to play in just 11 games last year due to groin and leg injuries. That allowed Tim Dobbins to step in and hold his own at the inside linebacker spot. Apparently, the Dolphins liked what they saw and will now roll with Dobbins as the much cheaper alternative. The loud-mouthed Crowder is still only 27 and should attract interest from teams in need of an inside linebacker.

He was more sizzle than steak. He was OK but they went out and got Dansby so they were not going to pay Crowder big bucks. He'll land somewhere.

Thanks for the info...with monies being saved by skipping on Orton and Crowder, is there any type of "plan" in place to spend it somewhere else? Or is that what the gist of the thread was supposed to be? At this rate, I would even be interested in what Omar Kelly has to say...lol, just kidding about that last part.

 

[JFurby]

Not to pile on, but I read this from Rotoworld...I always thought Crowder was good and am surprised he is just 27...was his contract THAT bad?Dolphins released ILB Channing Crowder.Crowder was able to play in just 11 games last year due to groin and leg injuries. That allowed Tim Dobbins to step in and hold his own at the inside linebacker spot. Apparently, the Dolphins liked what they saw and will now roll with Dobbins as the much cheaper alternative. The loud-mouthed Crowder is still only 27 and should attract interest from teams in need of an inside linebacker.

He was more sizzle than steak. He was OK but they went out and got Dansby so they were not going to pay Crowder big bucks. He'll land somewhere.

Well put. Crowder had a base salary of $2.5M in 2011 that he wasn't playing up to.

 

[Bonka]

Is it sad that I miss Jay Fiedler? At least the Dolphins were on what, a 6 year playoff run at that time?

Would probably help if the defense was as elite as it used to be.

 

[jcuadrado]

Guys....I'm a huge Miami fan. It hurts to watch a once storied franchise go down the drain. I really think that the front office (especially the owner) doesn't give a rats ### about the product on the field. They care more about "Club Liv", for those of you that don't know Club Liv is a club that inside the stadium that caters to the rich folk. They care about Gloria Estafan, J-Lo, Marc Anthony, Selena Williams and all the music and entertainment that's going on at the stadium. But as long as the fans continue to buy those overpriced seats we'll see the same crap year after year.

Matt Moore for gods sake...Matt m'fing Moore and Chad Henne to lead this team. The Patriots and Jets are worlds ahead of the Phins...it's embarrasing.

 

[VA Sundevil]

You know your QB situation sux when the guy starting for you, if he were cut no team in the NFL would sign him with the intention of starting him. Meaning there isn't an NFL franchise really that Henne would walk on and start for. That's how you know you have a pitiful QB.

Beck, Chappell are QBs at Redskins 1st practiceASHBURN, Va. (AP) - Here's essentially all you need to know about the Washington Redskins first training camp practice: The quarterbacks were John Beck and Ben Chappell. And there was no punter...

 

[Man In The Box]

They are still under the cap, no? I still think it's possible that they get Orton.

 

[Native]

Dolphin fan here.

 

[Todem]

Guys....I'm a huge Miami fan. It hurts to watch a once storied franchise go down the drain. I really think that the front office (especially the owner) doesn't give a rats ### about the product on the field. They care more about "Club Liv", for those of you that don't know Club Liv is a club that inside the stadium that caters to the rich folk. They care about Gloria Estafan, J-Lo, Marc Anthony, Selena Williams and all the music and entertainment that's going on at the stadium. But as long as the fans continue to buy those overpriced seats we'll see the same crap year after year.Matt Moore for gods sake...Matt m'fing Moore and Chad Henne to lead this team. The Patriots and Jets are worlds ahead of the Phins...it's embarrasing.

Ever since the Robbies had to give the team away because Joe Robbie had no proper estate plan the team has done nothing but go down the toilet. I remember when people were #####ing and moaning about Shula and Marino.....morons.

 

[GoFishTN]

Orton sucks. Do not want.

Henne gets one more chance and if he blows it we check out Devlin or Moore and then draft a QB in the 1st round instead of wasting more 2nd round picks on them.

We're not winning the Super Bowl this year either way.

 

[Native]

Dolphins sign Kevin Burnett from San Diego to replace Crowder.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Guys....I'm a huge Miami fan. It hurts to watch a once storied franchise go down the drain. I really think that the front office (especially the owner) doesn't give a rats ### about the product on the field. They care more about "Club Liv", for those of you that don't know Club Liv is a club that inside the stadium that caters to the rich folk. They care about Gloria Estafan, J-Lo, Marc Anthony, Selena Williams and all the music and entertainment that's going on at the stadium. But as long as the fans continue to buy those overpriced seats we'll see the same crap year after year.Matt Moore for gods sake...Matt m'fing Moore and Chad Henne to lead this team. The Patriots and Jets are worlds ahead of the Phins...it's embarrasing.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I want to thank everyone that posted no matter what the POV. It's good to hear from Phinsfans as sometimes I think I'm on an island. We need to have a Sunday fest down here in Miami/Broward whatever and get together to discuss the awfulness and then drown it in a pitcher of beer.

So much wrong with this team. I don't believe Ross is trying to be the worst, I really don't. He should have cut them all off last year after Bill left. Remember that Ross never really hired Parcells IIRC, it was already in place when he got here. He has been slow to make a move to put his signature on the team...now s the time Mr Ross, now is the time.

 

[DropKick]

I think my sour taste towards the NFL ad FF in general the last many years has been a culmination of watching my favortie team disintegrate in the last 10 years and not even try to improve itself by at least picking a QB in the 1st round one time after Dan Marino retired. In fact Miami has only ever taken one QB in the last 30 years in the 1st round and it was Dan Marino...2nd to last pick I might add of that 1st round. Is it not painfully obvious we need at least an avg QB? Kyle Orton looks like Tom Brady to us fans down here. Ok maybe not all of us but he gives us a fighting chance. We have nothing at QB and this regime doesn't seem to think its a problem. Matt Moore? Really, the QB3 in Carolina? Maybe he wasn't on the Panthers last year but I just want to go to Dolphins practice and heckle these new guys. Even Reggie Bush...I just want to ask him if he can bring the Heisman with him to practice so we can return it to the Downtwn Athletic Club like he said he would last season(it's still in his house). I really do want to get near the guy and heckle the crap out of him, I give him zero respect ad I don't think Miami should have wasted the money on him; he's gonna fail miserably as he did on a much more talented Saints team. And the fans are so stupid down here. In fact the fans, media, owners, coaches...I can't think of another city where announcers who openly root for the opposition like the Jets and Giants actually get to host afternoon talk shows on the radio. I doubt in Pittsburgh that they have radio hosts openly rooting for Baltimore or Cleveland on the drive home. I get teased by friends in other cities for not going to the games even though I am a Miami fan...but why should I support this? Just because I was born in Miami?There are no players on this team that I really want to go see play, not one player I want to actually sport a jersey for, the coach is a joke and should have been fired last year but somehow is still here, Parcells did a decent job but left ASAP b4 it was even close to being finished. Miami spent over $150 million on the OL when Parcells got here...does it resemble the best OL in footbal? Gawd I picked the wrong week to stop drinking.

Dolphin fan for almost 40 years... it's not just the current QB situation but the overall ineptitude and direction of the organization (think Ted Ginn at #9). The excitement and/or optimism I once felt each September has long faded. Thank God for fantasy football. They can can win some games... and they will. Too many, in fact, to be in the Luck sweepstakes.Also, I knew Parcells would bail. That seems to be his MO.

 

[Fred Lane]

Okay, I'll add my usually quiet two cents to this topic.

I am cautiously optimistic about the direction that the Dolphins are going, and I think the current organization has done more good than harm in repairing years of gambled picks and missed picks.

I don't think Orton is the "missing link" to making this team competitive. If, and a big if, Henne evolves in his decision-making, I can see where the addition of Bush and Gates as a burner can open up what has been a predictable offense. I can't argue with the way the last couple of drafts and additions have made the Dolphins formidable at the line on both sides of the ball. That was priority #1. Now they are looking to get playmakers and speed, and I think we'll see some of that come into play. And I also feel more comfortable with a Thomas/Bush backfield over the next few years than a Brown/Williams one. More thunder and lightning rather than thunder and thunder.

Sure, we still have a big unknown at QB. But, just maybe this is the year that Henne turns the corner. That Marshall gets back to being a solid end zone target, that Daniels gets those hard first down behind this line, that Bush can turn in a few red zone TDs. Last year was tough for Miami, with the injuries to skill positions and youngers players - and they weren't a "horrible" team last year.

 

[Gatorman]

Jesus MOP. Way to be debbie downer.

Here is the truth from a 15 year seson ticket holder who is giving up his tickets this year bc he is sick of it. (ME)

The fact is the dolphins have 2 things that make them not worth watching and neither of them is Chad Henne.

1) Offensive philosophy. If the Bush signing means that we are going to run a more wide open style, then perhaps I will change my mind. As long as we are losing games 16-13 I am not interested. Losing 31-28 is much more entertaining.

2) Coaching Philosophy: When you have a team with lesser talent than those in your division, you have to take more chances. Go for it more. Stop kicking field goal after field goal. Be better at special teams. something. New England and the Jets have more talent on their rosters. We need to be more daring.

I am not concerned about the QB issue and think that is has been handled well by Ireland and comapny. Screw denver and their demands and screw Orton wanting a Kolb like deal. I'd rather go with what we have a draft 2 qbs next year with our #1 and number 2 than spend a 2 on orton and a 1 on someone next year.

I'll be watching and hoping from home that this gets turned around, but the team of Shula that was the class of the AFC is far from it these days.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jesus MOP. Way to be debbie downer.Here is the truth from a 15 year seson ticket holder who is giving up his tickets this year bc he is sick of it. (ME)The fact is the dolphins have 2 things that make them not worth watching and neither of them is Chad Henne.1) Offensive philosophy. If the Bush signing means that we are going to run a more wide open style, then perhaps I will change my mind. As long as we are losing games 16-13 I am not interested. Losing 31-28 is much more entertaining.2) Coaching Philosophy: When you have a team with lesser talent than those in your division, you have to take more chances. Go for it more. Stop kicking field goal after field goal. Be better at special teams. something. New England and the Jets have more talent on their rosters. We need to be more daring.I am not concerned about the QB issue and think that is has been handled well by Ireland and comapny. Screw denver and their demands and screw Orton wanting a Kolb like deal. I'd rather go with what we have a draft 2 qbs next year with our #1 and number 2 than spend a 2 on orton and a 1 on someone next year.I'll be watching and hoping from home that this gets turned around, but the team of Shula that was the class of the AFC is far from it these days.

Just keeping it real Gator.I agree with you that they are not just a boring team record wise but they are awful to have to sit and watch on TV...I don't know if I could stomach a 10-6 season with games like 13-10, 17-16, it's so boring to watch. They have no playmakers on defense so mostly they bend don't break or do hold the opposition to a punt. Where I scratch my head is how you could want a better offense but not desire a ready to roll QB in Orton who is simply going to be out of a job because they must keep developing Tim Tebow. I think Orton has a lot more track record than the AJ Feely posts from several fans. I lived in SoCal for 7 years and got very used to not tuning in to the local team because its local. I feel bad for the fans in SFlorida because after leaving and coming back it really is painful to watch the fans roll over and take it. It's painful to watch a nice guy like Fred Lane post "maybe this is the year such and such turns the corner"...that guy is a real fan, he hopes for the best, I just don't have it in me anymore to support this team so I would rather just be openly hostile to them and any chance I get to voice my opinion to them I will be taking full advantage of it. An open PA in the Parking Lot of most home games will likely do the trick. I have had folks want to tear me apart at the bars when I am brutally honest during the games on TV, I get it that most don't want to hear it and don't want to face reality but the truth is Miami is not going in the right direction. Look what the Jets put together in 2-3 years and look where we are...the Pats as well...we can't even get on top of our division. We'll be lucky to make it out of the cellar this year. Miami dominated New England during the Griese era and then also won a lot of the Marino era games too. Who was New England sporting at QB in the 70s and then the 80s, and the point is until Miami addresses the QB spot they are not going anywhere. Look at this offenseQb-NadaRB-Reggie Bush-joke, Daniel Thomas-I'll wait to judge but he is going to have to impress quicklyWR-B.Marshall-waste with no QB to throw it to him, D.Bess-wouldn't start for most teams, E.Gates-rookie, B.Hartline-pleaseTE-A.FasanoThis is what the regime has done in 4 years now going into 2011. Detroit was just as bad if not worse than Miami and look at what they have put together and look at the optimism up there right now. I'm sorry guys that I can't be a good fan like so many of you.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

And Stephen Ross has turned this team into a circus by finding part owners that are celebrities. His red carpet at the games, future plans to build a water theme park right next to the stadium...hey why not put in a roller coaster over the top of the stadium so fans can ride upside down and puke while Henne tosses another interception at a critical moment in the game.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So you go out and trade for a guy then sign him to become one of the highest paid WRs in the game chewing up about 10% of our cap space but reuniting him with the guy he caught 20+ balls from in a game, oh for gawd's sake please don't do that Miami....it's just asanine IMO.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jason taylor is coming back...maybe just to retire not sure.

Link

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Link

Marco Columbo is signed...is that a signing that is good for a team that is trying to build up? These are guys that playoff teams want for depth or guys over the hill who couldn't land anywhere else.

 

[SwampDawg]

Pretty much agree with Gatorman. I'm not a Henne fan but the philosophy (on offense) prevents me from knowing if he has any potential and makes this team mostly unwatchable. Maybe the Bush signing is the start to a more progressive offense, I don't love him but I'm not as down as MOP is on him. At least I think he'll add a little excitement (IF used correctly). Had they gotten Orton (a mid range QB) and went after Zach Miller as I had heard rumored I would have been really excited. As it is I'll tune in the first few games to see if things have changed but assuming they haven't I'll be watching the Chargers who have become my "B" team. This organization since Marino can be summed up with the signing of Culpepper over Brees...FAILURE in personnel.

I mean when is the last time we made a draft pick in the first round that excited you ?

2011 – Mike Pouncey, better turn out to be Dwight Stephenson. At least finding a way to take Mallatt in the 2nd or 3rd would have added some excitement.

2010 – Jared Odrick…yawn (and I’m a Penn State fan), could have stayed put and taken the better Pouncey.

2009 – Vontae Davis, seems decent and was a need but not a game changer.

2008 – Jake Long, very good player but could have had Matt Ryan then taken Ray Rice where we took Henne, cut Brown and used the money to go get a LT.

2007 – Ted Ginn Jr, maybe the worse pick in our history…but hey he has good family. At least failing with Brady Quinn would have been trying.

2006 – Jason Allen, almost as bad as the Ginn pick.

2005 – Ronnie Brown, average RB who might not have even been the best on his college team, oh and Aaron Rodgers we passed on (as did others), enough said.

2004 – No round 1,2 or 3 pick

2003 – No round 1 pick

2002 – No round 1 pick

2001 – Jamaar Fletcher, career back up

2000 – No round 1 pick

1999 – No round 1 pick

1998 – John Avery, failure