krista4
Footballguy
It's a little hard for me not to pay attention to what I had in the prior countdowns when I had a cover song at #3 in the world countdown.
Also had one in my top 10 in the British Isles countdown.
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It's a little hard for me not to pay attention to what I had in the prior countdowns when I had a cover song at #3 in the world countdown.
Also had one in my top 10 in the British Isles countdown.
Chaos34
Footballguy
I'm excited for your Neil Young covers on spotify, and I don't like spotify much.There is one artist who has two covers I love. I spotlighted one of them in another thread, so I went with the other one for this countdown.I was thinking about that when starting on my list. If I truly did favorites, then my top slots would be taken by songs I selected in the other three countdowns. I like your idea not to repeat.Probably In. My goal is to not use any of the songs that I already did while jet setting with a bunch of MADs across the US, British Isles, and World. Also, one of my top 5 favorite covers is not on Spotify.
Otherwise I didn't pay too much attention to what I've drafted/spotlighted before, but most of my selections are things I haven't said much/anything about in the past.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
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John Maddens Lunchbox
Socialism for Dummies
It is with great reluctance and a heavy heart that i announce that I have to change my plan.
I thought it might be interesting to have 31 covers of the same song by 31 different and varied artists.
I got through about 10 before I realised that this schtick grows tired real quick.
It would also be identified by the second or third song on the list so loses any fun value after that.
I do have 31 really nice covers that will keep things interesting though, but not as much fun.
The song by the way was Creep by Radiohead. 31 covers. Most live. Some awful, most not.
When even Glee, Jim Carrey, Foo Fighters and Dave Chappelle, Korn, Prince and Pearl Jam have covers its on another level anyway.
I thought it might be interesting to have 31 covers of the same song by 31 different and varied artists.
I got through about 10 before I realised that this schtick grows tired real quick.
It would also be identified by the second or third song on the list so loses any fun value after that.
I do have 31 really nice covers that will keep things interesting though, but not as much fun.
The song by the way was Creep by Radiohead. 31 covers. Most live. Some awful, most not.
When even Glee, Jim Carrey, Foo Fighters and Dave Chappelle, Korn, Prince and Pearl Jam have covers its on another level anyway.
JMLs secret identity
Footballguy
Pu$$y.
Im still doing schtick, but a different kind
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It will take some doing to find a non-William Hung performance that's as bad as the Maroon 5 version of Happy Xmas (War Is Over) that someone inflicted upon the "So Bad" holiday playlist.
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
After a quick run through my 36 selections, I like 6 better than the original. Maybe 7.
Still love the 29-30 others though.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Socialism for Dummies
William Hung is deliberately bad so it has to be judged differently.
Its not his fault he was so bad that others took advantage and got him to sing songs so far out of his ahem, vocal range, that they were awful.
Maroon 5 and so many others were trying to do good covers and failed miserably.
krista4
Footballguy
I haven't really thought about how many of these I like better than the originals, but probably not a ton of them, either.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hmmm... I hadn't really thought about that but I am pretty sure I like all my original songs as well
Scoresman
Footballguy
It may be a little too strong to say I dont like them, but they're songs I would never really listen to nor did when they came out.
Scoresman
Footballguy
I don't want to spotlight or be controversial, but what's the ruling on situations where say a very popular british rock band from the 70s may have been a little more inspired by existing songs than they should have been during their songwriting process, and some people who are being very generous consider these songs to be covers?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The covers thing is interesting to me. A song that is covered a lot, sounds good when covered and especially covered in different ways is the truest sign a perfectly written song. Some songs are great because the production is perfect or playing is just fire or it perfectly matches the voices/sound of the artist(s). Those are great songs but there's something truly special about a songwriter who able to write a song that can be so formless. In my research, it became very clear which artist is far and away the best songwriter of the 20th century.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
So how do these songs get rolled out in these MAD things? @krista4 , do you tally up all the lists and release the songs in order of how many “points” they have (sort of like how the Pink Floyd / Led Zeppelin threads worked)? Or do you release all the #31s together at once like how things worked in the MAD artist ranking threads?
Basically, if I did more of a themed top 31 that might not overlap much with other rankings, will that mess up the aggregation?
Basically, if I did more of a themed top 31 that might not overlap much with other rankings, will that mess up the aggregation?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That is for Krista to answer but my interpretation based on her rulings would tell me those don't count as covers.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Not Krista, but IMO any case where they changed the songwriting credit and/or lost a court case/settled out of court qualifies as a cover.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Socialism for Dummies
But its a different song, not a cover. Its just heavily ahem….influenced
Basically if you use songwriting credits, any sample means its a cover, which its not.
There are loads of unambiguous covers.
But essentially I would PM Krista or designee for a ruling
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am of the mind that if the question, "is this a cover?" can reasonably be posed than the answer for this draft is no. At least that's how I am approaching it for my picks.
Chaos34
Footballguy
I agree. I nixed one thinking it was a cover, but after enjoying the original, from ahem the 30s, I decided it was more of a take than a cover, or more of a subtle tribute than a cover. So, no, not for this.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Agree with this. E.g., Chuck Berry is listed as a songwriter of The Beach Boys’ Surfin’ USA because of Sweet Little Sixteen, but I would not call that a cover.
krista4
Footballguy
Thanks for asking this. The responses posted already got it right - these aren't covers. As to the idea that a songwriting credit matters, as mentioned (not gently) in Q&A #3 in the first post, songwriting isn't relevant here. And several posters have given great examples of why including these as covers would be non-sensical.
Pro-tip: one easy way to spot a cover in these circumstances is, "Does it have the same title?"
That's not to say that it couldn't possibly have a different title, say if it were translated into another language. But in most instances you'll find that to be a handy-dandy way to answer your question.
But to further clarify...[next post]
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krista4
Footballguy
I responded to a PM asking me about a specific song's performance to ask me if it was a cover. This was something that is widely considered to be a cover (and a top-notch one at that), but could reasonably be queried because the artist in question adds some of her own lyrics as well. These are adaptations, interpretations, etc., which still count as covers, since the base is the same (though the bass is not the same). I'm sure there's a line to be crossed after which it doesn't bear enough resemblance, but we can't set a hard-and-fast rule on that and can play it by ear. Hell, Otis Redding's cover of "Daytripper" bears little resemblance lyrically to the original (which makes it delightful) but is still a cover. If there are any truly questionable to you, just PM me.
Also see, pro-tip in post immediately preceding this one.
Also see, pro-tip in post immediately preceding this one.
krista4
Footballguy
Hey, are you participating?! That would be great!
In the first three countdowns - and two of them are in the similar threads below so I'd encourage you to take a look at one - we did have bands and songs that were "winners" and were deemed our favorites. I don't think that's the way this one will go. I know we have some people doing themes or shtick, which we had a tiny bit in the others but not so much, and some of us aren't actually going to pick our favorites if we already chose them in one of the prior three. Oh, and one of the lists I've already received is in alphabetical order because the selector can't bear to rank them. So I think this will be much less indicative of our group's actual top choices than previously. I'll have to adjust the contests (see the first post in the other threads to get more flavor for those) accordingly.
I'll still post the same way I did before, though, which is first day is all the #31s, next day the #30s, etc. That was to build excitement and suspense as the winners, among other things, which again might be lacking a little here, but I'm a creature of habit I guess.
krista4
Footballguy
Are you in? Again, would be happy to have you!
See Post #1, Q&A #4 and #5 for direct answers to your question.
Galileo
Footballguy
I never really said I was in yet, but I've been tinkering with a list, so what the heck. I'll jump in, but not too sure how much time I will have available for commentary and discussion during release.
krista4
Footballguy
Not required - glad to have you!
krista4
Footballguy
Someone PM'd me a reworking of a song for clarification, and I continue to encourage that if in doubt, please do that since these aren't black-and-white. In this case, one of the old-timey songs I've alluded to was re-envisioned as a rock song, so the structure was changed while some of the lyrics were retained and a songwriting credit was given to the original writer of the song of the same title. This is a cover and is distinguished from someone being influenced by a recording to the point where a court of law orders them to give a songwriting credit because of the similarities.
"My Sweet Lord" is not a cover of "He's So Fine" by virtue of sharing many similarities, and even the judge in the case stated George didn't deliberately use the first song for development of his own. I don't believe a cover song can be recorded inadvertently.
On the other hand, taking a song and purposefully re-working it while retaining title and the lyrics, structure and/or the like is kinda what most of the best covers are.
"My Sweet Lord" is not a cover of "He's So Fine" by virtue of sharing many similarities, and even the judge in the case stated George didn't deliberately use the first song for development of his own. I don't believe a cover song can be recorded inadvertently.
On the other hand, taking a song and purposefully re-working it while retaining title and the lyrics, structure and/or the like is kinda what most of the best covers are.
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Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I guess I'm very dozy today. Who the hey is this Brit band whereof you speak?
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Never mind.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
List submitted.
Six artists are both coverer and coveree in my top 31.
Two songs appear twice with different cover versions. The original performer of one of the songs is one of the coverers of the other one.
Anomaly: One artist who had several major hits with covers is on my list as a coveree but not a coverer.
Six artists are both coverer and coveree in my top 31.
Two songs appear twice with different cover versions. The original performer of one of the songs is one of the coverers of the other one.
Anomaly: One artist who had several major hits with covers is on my list as a coveree but not a coverer.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Socialism for Dummies
I thought of doing a cyclical draft where eg
Pick 31 - Song by Artist A covering Artist B
Pick 30 - Song by Artist B covering Artist C
Pick 29 - Song by Artist C covering Artist D
Etc
But its too much work. I reckon its achievable though
krista4
Footballguy
I briefly considered this, too, but it seemed too effort-y. I did something similar in a draft in ye olden days, where each selection had collaborated with the previous one.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
I think I knew right away and probably going to cross them off my list.
simey
Footballguy
I knew as well. A few of their songs are covers, and then there are some iffy ones.
scorchy
Footballguy
Don't let my delay in responding "in" negate my overwhelming enthusiasm for this thread. I've been listening to my long-lived 250-plus song Spotify covers playlist on random this weekend and am overwhelmed. Definitely gonna need to come up with some sort of rules and categorization system that allows me to "cover" all the bases instead of just the 31 best.
Thanks for thinking of me.
. I have been away on vacation for a bit so haven't been following. Correct was a stats guy (still am, really )I'm going to sit out the "Covers" thread. Not really a huge fan of them, anyway. Almost always prefer the original, unless the first one I heard, and liked, was the cover (such as Blinded By The Light by Manfred Mann).
zamboni
Footballguy
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speaking of which, I used to think "And little Early-Pearly came by in his curly-wurly" was "And little Early-Pearly gave my anus curly-wurly".
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Blinded by the light indeed.speaking of which, I used to think "And little Early-Pearly came by in his curly-wurly" was "And little Early-Pearly gave my anus curly-wurly".
krista4
Footballguy
I'm pulling up the original query that's led to the latest discussion.
I think it’s fine to mention band names here and to add clarity. I'm assuming that the band in question is Led Zeppelin. When the question was first posed, I was thinking the "little more inspired than they should have been" was meant to reference songs like "Stairway to Heaven" or some of those previously mentioned relating to other artists (such as "My Sweet Lord"/"He's So Fine"). Those aren't covers.
However, LZ does have songs that are "reworkings" of earlier ones and will count as covers for this exercise. I've fielded several questions about these already. The preference of our group seems to be to be expansive, such as allowing one-off live recordings (which I initially said wouldn't be included), so I'm going to be expansive in what I allow in terms of these reworkings, too. The idea is to discuss music we love, so let's tend toward letting these in.
rockaction
Footballguy
So I'm going to go away from technicalities and rules and chime in about something music-related—and almost MAD-related—that sort of tickled me. I had an old friend text me with this message:
*Interpol voice* How are things on the West Coast?
I lol'd. Pretty hard. I told him that today my heart swings.
*Interpol voice* How are things on the West Coast?
I lol'd. Pretty hard. I told him that today my heart swings.
rockaction
Footballguy
And the band certainly was Zeppelin. You're going to find a lot—and I mean a lot—of reworkings of old country and blues songs from early in the 20th century that will pop up later in the 20th century.
But you all knew that, which is why it's important to hash out the rules.
But you all knew that, which is why it's important to hash out the rules.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Okay. Bruce did not write that.speaking of which, I used to think "And little Early-Pearly came by in his curly-wurly" was "And little Early-Pearly gave my anus curly-wurly".
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