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No Travis Henry.

No Albert Haynesworth.

It's all being set up for Young to deliver for the third time in as many starts. Here are his numbers in his first two games as the Denver starting RB:

18-71-0 rushing/6-49-0 receiving

20-109-1 rushing/3-20-0 receiving

The Titans' run defense was pathetic last week without Haynesworth. The Jaguars amassed 166 rushing yards and 2 rushing TDs. In all, Jacksonville RBs scored 3 total TDs in that game.

I think it's very possible Young can get 95+ rushing yards, 3-4 receptions for 30+ yards and 1-2 TDs.

So who else is on board the Selvin Young Train tonight?

 
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I already predicted him to have a big game, you guys don't have it lost, but sit back and enjoy. After Benson I can't wait to see a Texas RB do well!!!!

 
Enjoy him while he lasts, Young owners. Since Portis left it's just been a revolving door of RBs.

I own him in one league where I was at least smart enough to back up T Henry (just not smart enough to avoid the whole Denver RB mess altogether), but I sure don't have much faith in him or anyone else being assured the job for next year.

 
Damn, I wish the kid would have had a little better showing on the 3rd & 1 goalline carry. ;)

I don't want Shanny to lose trust in him inside the 5.

 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?

 
This week is gonna be great. How many "Andre Hall is the unquestioned starter in Denver" threads will we see??

Then when he has 11 carries, 29 yards and a hammy pull the next week...it'll be a new story.

 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
Yeah, I get that. When I saw Young come back in after getting hurt, then get hurt again, I was hoping Hall wouldn't do much. So naturally he breaks a long TD. But, I was on the computer and didn't actually see that play. Was NFL.com right, and Young came back in and caught that pass, or is it a mistake?
 
Drafted Selvin Young in my startup dynasty, dropped him after week 4 of the pre-season for Andre Hall. Cursed myself the rest of the year.

Maybe I'll get a chance for vindication here?

 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
Yeah, I get that. When I saw Young come back in after getting hurt, then get hurt again, I was hoping Hall wouldn't do much. So naturally he breaks a long TD. But, I was on the computer and didn't actually see that play. Was NFL.com right, and Young came back in and caught that pass, or is it a mistake?
Young definitely was back in. I'm not sure if he caught a pass or not.
 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
Yeah, I get that. When I saw Young come back in after getting hurt, then get hurt again, I was hoping Hall wouldn't do much. So naturally he breaks a long TD. But, I was on the computer and didn't actually see that play. Was NFL.com right, and Young came back in and caught that pass, or is it a mistake?
Young definitely was back in. I'm not sure if he caught a pass or not.
That'll teach me to stop watching. I'm guessing the knee isn't too bad, then. He got tackled earlier, and had to come off the field. That was in the 3rd quarter. Marshall scored on the next play. Then on the next Denver series, Young had a 7 yard run that was called back for holding. After that play, he came off. He didn't seem to be hurt too bad after either play (but I'm not a Doctor). Next Denver series, Hall breaks the long TD. Then Hall gets most of the work, but apparently Young came back in after Hall's TD run and caught a pass? If the trainers let him come back in two different times, I've gotta assume that his knee can't be that bad, right?
 
I think Young starts if healthy but we need to find out how serious the knee injury is and then even if he is OK to start (assuming Henry isn't back, of course), Young is hardly a guarantee to finish what he's started. To me, that's the primary problem we're seeing with him. He's talented but he doesn't look very trustworthy.

 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
Yeah, I get that. When I saw Young come back in after getting hurt, then get hurt again, I was hoping Hall wouldn't do much. So naturally he breaks a long TD. But, I was on the computer and didn't actually see that play. Was NFL.com right, and Young came back in and caught that pass, or is it a mistake?
I saw the play, it was definitely Young. He came in for a 3rd and 4, caught a pass, got the first down, then went back to the bench, while Hall got a few more carries. I thought it was quite strange for a guy with a 'sprained knee'. No clue what it means.
 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
Yeah, I get that. When I saw Young come back in after getting hurt, then get hurt again, I was hoping Hall wouldn't do much. So naturally he breaks a long TD. But, I was on the computer and didn't actually see that play. Was NFL.com right, and Young came back in and caught that pass, or is it a mistake?
Young definitely was back in. I'm not sure if he caught a pass or not.
That'll teach me to stop watching. I'm guessing the knee isn't too bad, then. He got tackled earlier, and had to come off the field. That was in the 3rd quarter. Marshall scored on the next play. Then on the next Denver series, Young had a 7 yard run that was called back for holding. After that play, he came off. He didn't seem to be hurt too bad after either play (but I'm not a Doctor). Next Denver series, Hall breaks the long TD. Then Hall gets most of the work, but apparently Young came back in after Hall's TD run and caught a pass? If the trainers let him come back in two different times, I've gotta assume that his knee can't be that bad, right?
Hard to say. It was Hall who got all the carries after Young left the game the second time. And even last season when Tatum Bell could barely walk due to his turf toe injuries he would get on the field and do some things in games he left. So I don't think we can assume Young is OK just because he caught a pass. If he was really OK, he would've gotten the carries that Hall received.
 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
Yeah, I get that. When I saw Young come back in after getting hurt, then get hurt again, I was hoping Hall wouldn't do much. So naturally he breaks a long TD. But, I was on the computer and didn't actually see that play. Was NFL.com right, and Young came back in and caught that pass, or is it a mistake?
I saw the play, it was definitely Young. He came in for a 3rd and 4, caught a pass, got the first down, then went back to the bench, while Hall got a few more carries. I thought it was quite strange for a guy with a 'sprained knee'. No clue what it means.
Well, to me that says one of three things (or perhaps a combination of the three).1) Young saw Hall having success, and wanted to show the coaches he was willing to play through pain (to do what he could to preserve "his" spot)

2) Young was okay to play, but with a 7 point (and then 14 point) lead, they were being safe with him.

3) The coaches don't totally trust Hall with pass-blocking, and Young was in as a blocker who caught a check-down pass. (I didn't see the play, though-was it a designed screen? Also, did Hall get any other plays on "passing" downs?)

 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
Yeah, I get that. When I saw Young come back in after getting hurt, then get hurt again, I was hoping Hall wouldn't do much. So naturally he breaks a long TD. But, I was on the computer and didn't actually see that play. Was NFL.com right, and Young came back in and caught that pass, or is it a mistake?
Young definitely was back in. I'm not sure if he caught a pass or not.
That'll teach me to stop watching. I'm guessing the knee isn't too bad, then. He got tackled earlier, and had to come off the field. That was in the 3rd quarter. Marshall scored on the next play. Then on the next Denver series, Young had a 7 yard run that was called back for holding. After that play, he came off. He didn't seem to be hurt too bad after either play (but I'm not a Doctor). Next Denver series, Hall breaks the long TD. Then Hall gets most of the work, but apparently Young came back in after Hall's TD run and caught a pass? If the trainers let him come back in two different times, I've gotta assume that his knee can't be that bad, right?
Hard to say. It was Hall who got all the carries after Young left the game the second time. And even last season when Tatum Bell could barely walk due to his turf toe injuries he would get on the field and do some things in games he left. So I don't think we can assume Young is OK just because he caught a pass. If he was really OK, he would've gotten the carries that Hall received.
True-but when I hear "knee sprain" after a RB goes out, I get much more worried about a season-ending injury than if I were to hear "turf toe." (And I know that turf toe can severly limit a RB's productivity)
 
Enjoy him while he lasts, Young owners. Since Portis left it's just been a revolving door of RBs.

I own him in one league where I was at least smart enough to back up T Henry (just not smart enough to avoid the whole Denver RB mess altogether), but I sure don't have much faith in him or anyone else being assured the job for next year.
And my post was only 3 hours old... :goodposting:
 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
Yeah, I get that. When I saw Young come back in after getting hurt, then get hurt again, I was hoping Hall wouldn't do much. So naturally he breaks a long TD. But, I was on the computer and didn't actually see that play. Was NFL.com right, and Young came back in and caught that pass, or is it a mistake?
Young definitely was back in. I'm not sure if he caught a pass or not.
That'll teach me to stop watching. I'm guessing the knee isn't too bad, then. He got tackled earlier, and had to come off the field. That was in the 3rd quarter. Marshall scored on the next play. Then on the next Denver series, Young had a 7 yard run that was called back for holding. After that play, he came off. He didn't seem to be hurt too bad after either play (but I'm not a Doctor). Next Denver series, Hall breaks the long TD. Then Hall gets most of the work, but apparently Young came back in after Hall's TD run and caught a pass? If the trainers let him come back in two different times, I've gotta assume that his knee can't be that bad, right?
Hard to say. It was Hall who got all the carries after Young left the game the second time. And even last season when Tatum Bell could barely walk due to his turf toe injuries he would get on the field and do some things in games he left. So I don't think we can assume Young is OK just because he caught a pass. If he was really OK, he would've gotten the carries that Hall received.
True-but when I hear "knee sprain" after a RB goes out, I get much more worried about a season-ending injury than if I were to hear "turf toe." (And I know that turf toe can severly limit a RB's productivity)
I agree. I'm just saying I don't think we should be using the fact that Young was on the field as a clear sign that he's ok and the injury is minor. Hopefully for Young owners it is but as a Bell owner last season who saw Bell getting similar treatment when he was clearly hurt last season I won't believe Young is OK until he next gets on the field and runs with authority. I'm hoping that's next week. I fear it may be longer.
 
NFL.com shows Selvin Young getting a 4-yard reception on the last Broncos' drive. Is that correct? If so, you would assume that his knee isn't too bad?
The crazy thing about the Bronco's is that he may have lost his job to Hall already.
Yeah, I get that. When I saw Young come back in after getting hurt, then get hurt again, I was hoping Hall wouldn't do much. So naturally he breaks a long TD. But, I was on the computer and didn't actually see that play. Was NFL.com right, and Young came back in and caught that pass, or is it a mistake?
Young definitely was back in. I'm not sure if he caught a pass or not.
That'll teach me to stop watching. I'm guessing the knee isn't too bad, then. He got tackled earlier, and had to come off the field. That was in the 3rd quarter. Marshall scored on the next play. Then on the next Denver series, Young had a 7 yard run that was called back for holding. After that play, he came off. He didn't seem to be hurt too bad after either play (but I'm not a Doctor). Next Denver series, Hall breaks the long TD. Then Hall gets most of the work, but apparently Young came back in after Hall's TD run and caught a pass? If the trainers let him come back in two different times, I've gotta assume that his knee can't be that bad, right?
Hard to say. It was Hall who got all the carries after Young left the game the second time. And even last season when Tatum Bell could barely walk due to his turf toe injuries he would get on the field and do some things in games he left. So I don't think we can assume Young is OK just because he caught a pass. If he was really OK, he would've gotten the carries that Hall received.
True-but when I hear "knee sprain" after a RB goes out, I get much more worried about a season-ending injury than if I were to hear "turf toe." (And I know that turf toe can severly limit a RB's productivity)
I agree. I'm just saying I don't think we should be using the fact that Young was on the field as a clear sign that he's ok and the injury is minor. Hopefully for Young owners it is but as a Bell owner last season who saw Bell getting similar treatment when he was clearly hurt last season I won't believe Young is OK until he next gets on the field and runs with authority. I'm hoping that's next week. I fear it may be longer.
I hope you're wrong, but I'm worried you are right. Damn it, my team was just gearing up for the playoffs, and then Coles AND Young go down. Now, I have to scramble to find a flex player!

 
Maybe if we mold and shape this mole hill long enough we will create a mountain. When the dust settles I think you will find it the same next week as it was this week. It didn't look to me that Young was hurting too bad, but go ahead and throw in the Edge comparisons and declare the ACL tear now. It's one thing to anoint someone the starter after one long run when he's competing against a guy who has sucked, but it's another to anoint him over a guy who has looked good. Young has looked good. For the record, I own Young in one league and Hall in another.

 
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Looks very similar to me - suspect between the tackles, good ability once he turns the corner and looks to have serious durability issues. I like Young but I said the same thing after the Packers-Broncos game - he reminds me of Tatum Bell. Bell had some damn good games as the Denver starter last season too but ultimately couldn't hold up.
Young's not suspect between the tackles, though. If anything is suspect between the tackles, it's Denver's offensive line, which has lost Hamilton and Nalen already for the season.
TBells game was speed, and that's it. He couldn't catch, he couldn't block, he couldn't convert a 3rd and 1. Selvin looks much better in all aspects thus far.
Bell also had some strong games as the starter last season and performed well. But durability was his primary problem. That's clearly Young's primary problem as well since he's now had to leave two of his three starts due to injury. I respect your right to disagree but I watch him and see Tatum Bell all over again.
I would hardly classify durability as Bell's primary problem. I'd call Bell's primary problem inconsistency, his secondary problem ball security, his tertiary problem blocking, and his quaternary problem durability.
I think the main problem he had was he couldn't be trusted with 20+ carries a game as the starter. We're seeing some signs that Young may have the same problem. You know your Broncos, but I was a Bell owner last season and a Young owner this season I swear I'm watching the same thing happen all over again.
I didn't see Hall coming in until after Young tweaked his knee...last year, Bell and Bell pretty much exchanged series. Completely different utilization, IMO.
That was for the first couple of games. And then Tatum Bell was given the starting job outright and held it for a few games and performed extremely well, leading the AFC in rushing. He then suffered turf toe injuries and remained the starter, only to be so injured he couldn't produce. That would open the door for Mike Bell to come in and play and he almost always played well. Watching tonight's game, I could've swore I was watching Tatum Bell again and Mike Bell again. One guy started, but he couldn't finish and it was the backup who was a much more productive fantasy option.
I hear what you are saying. I was actually one of the first ones to preach RBBC when the Henry news first broke. I don't think that's the case anymore. Like I said earlier, I haven't seen as much of SYoung run as I would have liked to, but I lean on some observations from a SYoung thread on Orange Mane. When you compare SYoung to TBell, if your comparison is based on uncertainty in starting and FF production, then I agree. If the comparison is based on quality of RB in a Shanahan system, then I disagree completely.

 
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I think Hall will at least get more looks after this, though Young will not be completely pushed aside like some are implying.

 
Maybe if we mold and shape this mole hill long enough we will create a mountain. When the dust settles I think you will find it the same next week as it was this week. It didn't look to me that Young was hurting too bad, but go ahead and throw in the Edge comparisons and declare the ACL tear now. It's one thing to anoint someone the starter after one long run when he's competing against a guy who has sucked, but it's another to anoint him over a guy who has looked good. Young has looked good. For the record, I own Young in one league and Hall in another.
very :yawn: dust hasn't even settled yet...wait-and-see, i say....Id
 
When you compare SYoung to TBell, if your comparison is based on uncertainty in starting and FF production, then I agree. If the comparison is based on quality of QB in a Shanahan system, then I disagree completely.
Primarily, I'm not sure if he's big enough to withstand the rigors of being a starting RB in this league. That was the primary problem with Tatum as well. I said the same thing about Young after the Packers game (see the other Young thread on the first page about his value going forward). He reminded me of Bell and that was a game, unlike tonight, when Young looked great and played very well. I'm not saying the two are identical. I think Young does a better job of hitting the hole and making the cut. But I also think Young, like Tatum, isn't a big, physical RB and that's what Shanahan likes given the number of between-the-tackles running plays he calls and Young, like Tatum, has serious durability issues that may prevent him from keeping the starting job long-term.Yes Selvin Young has done well (prior to tonight) as a starter. But he's also now been injured in 67% of his starts this season. That's a very disturbing trend in my opinion and one that needs to be taken into consideration when evaluating his potential for the rest of the season should Henry be suspended as expected.
 
When you compare SYoung to TBell, if your comparison is based on uncertainty in starting and FF production, then I agree. If the comparison is based on quality of QB in a Shanahan system, then I disagree completely.
Primarily, I'm not sure if he's big enough to withstand the rigors of being a starting RB in this league. That was the primary problem with Tatum as well. I said the same thing about Young after the Packers game (see the other Young thread on the first page about his value going forward). He reminded me of Bell and that was a game, unlike tonight, when Young looked great and played very well. I'm not saying the two are identical. I think Young does a better job of hitting the hole and making the cut. But I also think Young, like Tatum, isn't a big, physical RB and that's what Shanahan likes given the number of between-the-tackles running plays he calls and Young, like Tatum, has serious durability issues that may prevent him from keeping the starting job long-term.Yes Selvin Young has done well (prior to tonight) as a starter. But he's also now been injured in 67% of his starts this season. That's a very disturbing trend in my opinion and one that needs to be taken into consideration when evaluating his potential for the rest of the season should Henry be suspended as expected.
oddly, Syoung is listed at 5-11/207, whereas Terrell Davis was 5-11/206. By comparison, CPortis is 5-11/205, TBell is 5-11/213, WParker is 5-10/209, Addai is 6-0/205.I think SYoung is plenty big enough.
 
When you compare SYoung to TBell, if your comparison is based on uncertainty in starting and FF production, then I agree. If the comparison is based on quality of QB in a Shanahan system, then I disagree completely.
Primarily, I'm not sure if he's big enough to withstand the rigors of being a starting RB in this league. That was the primary problem with Tatum as well. I said the same thing about Young after the Packers game (see the other Young thread on the first page about his value going forward). He reminded me of Bell and that was a game, unlike tonight, when Young looked great and played very well. I'm not saying the two are identical. I think Young does a better job of hitting the hole and making the cut. But I also think Young, like Tatum, isn't a big, physical RB and that's what Shanahan likes given the number of between-the-tackles running plays he calls and Young, like Tatum, has serious durability issues that may prevent him from keeping the starting job long-term.Yes Selvin Young has done well (prior to tonight) as a starter. But he's also now been injured in 67% of his starts this season. That's a very disturbing trend in my opinion and one that needs to be taken into consideration when evaluating his potential for the rest of the season should Henry be suspended as expected.
oddly, Syoung is listed at 5-11/207, whereas Terrell Davis was 5-11/206. By comparison, CPortis is 5-11/205, TBell is 5-11/213, WParker is 5-10/209, Addai is 6-0/205.I think SYoung is plenty big enough.
OK, he's big enough. But he's showing disturbing signs of being brittle. That's the bottom line here.Look, I want to be wrong about this guy. I'm down to 3 RBs right now and the healthiest one might be Rudi Johnson right now. So I'm hoping like hell Selvin Young is the real deal and my Tatum Bell analogy is way off base. But he's started three games so far and has been unable to finish two of them. It's a small sample size but that's clearly a disturbing trend and again, it's one I believe needs to be factored into the discussion about Young's fantasy value going forward.
 
When you compare SYoung to TBell, if your comparison is based on uncertainty in starting and FF production, then I agree. If the comparison is based on quality of QB in a Shanahan system, then I disagree completely.
Primarily, I'm not sure if he's big enough to withstand the rigors of being a starting RB in this league. That was the primary problem with Tatum as well. I said the same thing about Young after the Packers game (see the other Young thread on the first page about his value going forward). He reminded me of Bell and that was a game, unlike tonight, when Young looked great and played very well. I'm not saying the two are identical. I think Young does a better job of hitting the hole and making the cut. But I also think Young, like Tatum, isn't a big, physical RB and that's what Shanahan likes given the number of between-the-tackles running plays he calls and Young, like Tatum, has serious durability issues that may prevent him from keeping the starting job long-term.Yes Selvin Young has done well (prior to tonight) as a starter. But he's also now been injured in 67% of his starts this season. That's a very disturbing trend in my opinion and one that needs to be taken into consideration when evaluating his potential for the rest of the season should Henry be suspended as expected.
oddly, Syoung is listed at 5-11/207, whereas Terrell Davis was 5-11/206. By comparison, CPortis is 5-11/205, TBell is 5-11/213, WParker is 5-10/209, Addai is 6-0/205.I think SYoung is plenty big enough.
OK, he's big enough. But he's showing disturbing signs of being brittle. That's the bottom line here.Look, I want to be wrong about this guy. I'm down to 3 RBs right now and the healthiest one might be Rudi Johnson right now. So I'm hoping like hell Selvin Young is the real deal and my Tatum Bell analogy is way off base. But he's started three games so far and has been unable to finish two of them. It's a small sample size but that's clearly a disturbing trend and again, it's one I believe needs to be factored into the discussion about Young's fantasy value going forward.
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Could it be Shanny is just giving Hall some carries because he feels Henry is a goner. So he doesn't want his backup running back going into next weeks game without any game experience? Hall only had 8 carries so far this year.

 
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