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I think a very reasonable argument can be made that nobody should ever be impeached without bipartisan approval. What Pelosi is essentially arguing here is that the Republicans have shirked their constitutional duties on this, so why should the Democrats chase windmills if its only going to hurt them and not achieve anything? IMO, it's a very compelling argument.
I think it's sad that she has to make a political calculation on this. The President breaking the law shouldn't be a partisan issue.
She did give herself that out. If information comes out that is overwhelming evidence of a high crime, she can always change her mind. But it would have to be overwhelming to both sides.
Exactly. I've never bought "Not going to do it because it costs too much politically"....that's crap. Which "anti-Trump" people does she think she's going to piss off by doing the right thing?
Agree with Nancy. Especially the part about whether he’s worth the effort. She’s also smart enough to know that it would just serve to rally the basket, err the base.timschochet said:
It disgusts me. “Divide the country”. Really? That’s the worry? Step outside Nancy. How about a commitment to justice?
Tax evasion, bank fraud, campaign fund violations, witness intimidation, obstruction of justice.....need I go on? He also turned in written and we're and chances are very good he committed purjury many times in those answers. How much time do you think you or I would do if we commited all those crimes?
Exactly what they're doing. Investigate all the shadiness. Keep interviewing witnesses. Wait for them to purjury themselves.
She is doing her job.
Investigate the stuff that needs investigating. Propose an infrastructure bill- why haven’t they done that? Try to fix Obamacare like they promised to when they ran for office.
It isn't by itself.
Well, other than going the way of the GOP with infighting causing an eventual fracture.
The Watergate impeachment threat had bipartisan support. This one does not.
I don’t want to give away the ending for you Tim but none of these things are passing in this Congress.
Why not infrastructure? I see no reason why this can’t get done.
Oh Im sure you’re probably right. But it’s very frustrating to me and, in this particular instance, Democrats are just as responsible for the impasse as is Trump and the Republicans.
How would that harm our political system? I guess it would show that "party over country" politics makes removal from office through the impeachment process impossible. Is there anyone that doesn't already know the GOP base and GOP pols will never turn on Trump no matter what he does?
Impeachment would corner the Democrats and impair their 2020 election outcomes. Face it, until McConnell gets kicked to the curb, all we have left is theater.
Yup. Why pursue an enormous feat like impeachment when you have absolutely no chance of winning. It's just going to motivate the Trump base with the election coming up.
This is a pretty big leap and I certainly don't ever forsee a scenario where he would spend the rest of his life in prison. I was never a "lock her up" guy when it came to Hillary so I kind of view a lot of this kind of stuff as a political wish list from both sides more than factual. If anything like this is proven, then we will see how it plays out. But to name off those crimes, all of which are very serious and assume guilt is a pretty big leap whether you like the guy or not.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why he fights to keep his returns hidden. And ask Wesley Snipes if tax evasion is a serious charge.
I agree that it's pretty simple. He doesn't want the public to see his effective rate and the way the electorate will react. It's a huge political hurdle and trying to explain a complex tax return to the electorate isn't a winning proposition. Plus it's beyond bad optics if, for example, he paid a lower rate than most working class people. I'm not sure how any kind of evasion charge would come out of publishing the returns short of supporting documentation being forged that someone could cross check. But it's also true I'd admit he doesn't want all of his business interests and income exposed for the public consumption.
Waiting for the Mueller report makes sense but in my mind it would be easy to prove witness intimidation which ties in closely to obstruction of justice. I also think with a little additional evidence from other witnesses that the campaign finance violation will be easy to prove. Violations of the emoluments clause is also likely. Couple that with complete incompetence that should be enough but it won’t be for Republicans in the Senate. I think while Trump is most certainly guilty of bank fraud before he was elected and possibly tax fraud he did not commit these while in office.
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