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The NFL hates T.O. (1 Viewer)

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It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.

First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.

Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.

And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.

Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.

Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.

 
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I agree they missed the boat on the spike call, didn't see the other two, but TO digs his own grave in that respect. As much jawing as he does with opposing CBs, you think he's got nothing for officials? They're probably just as sick of his antics as many fans are. Though, I have to admit, he's been close to a model citizen this year.

They also blew a blatant horse collar on Roy Williams, so it went both ways.

 
TO doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on close calls or marginal infractions? What a shock!

Bad things happen to bad people. He deserves all that and a lot more.

 
PatrickT said:
I agree they missed the boat on the spike call, didn't see the other two, but TO digs his own grave in that respect. As much jawing as he does with opposing CBs, you think he's got nothing for officials? They're probably just as sick of his antics as many fans are. Though, I have to admit, he's been close to a model citizen this year.They also blew a blatant horse collar on Roy Williams, so it went both ways.
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:shrug: The spike was a crappy call for sure. The pushed OOB was not a blown call at all, could have gone either way but I agree with the official that TO's foot was heading out and probably (IMHO) would have been out anyway. It was close, though, but certainly not an obvious botched call. Same for the pass interference. The defender wasn't looking at the ball at all but it didn't look to me like it was blatant interference at all. He had his hands in front of TO's chest, TO caught the ball and then had it stripped as he came down. Again, not obvious.Also agree that TO brought any "disrespect" on himself. Of course the refs shouldn't cheat against him, but if a call is questionable (as MANY are), you really think that he is going to get the benefit of the doubt? I don't.In the interest of full disclosure, I am neutral towards Dallas and think TO is an arrogant ### who is hiding his true colors well so far this year. :excited:
 
Schrute said:
It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.

First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.

Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.

And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.

Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.

Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.
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I thought he spun the ball and that is what the delay of game was for. :thumbdown:
 
I don't like that "spike" rule, but I've seen it called on every receiver who does what TO did last night. It's not exactly a spike, but flipping the ball away is getting called too. The only one I saw throw it like that and NOT get the penalty was a Patriot- I think Wes Welker.

I agree TO was forced out on the sideline play. 2 refs blew that one.

I didn't think the 2 Pt play was controversial. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think he has to look back as long as he doesn't make contact until the receiver touches the ball. Also, I think they took "face guarding" out of the rule a while back.

The head of the NFL officials (his name escapes me right now) goes on the NFL Network each week and discusses plays like these and gives the correct call. It'll be interesting to see if they have him discuss any of the TO plays this week. I don't watch a lot of NFL Network, so I don't know if he's on at the same time each week.

 
Schrute said:
It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.
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Spike has been called like that all season. Just put the ball down, don't flip it, spike it, spin it, roll it, just hand it to an official or leave it lay on the ground.Catch on sideline is purely judgement, at full speed it looked like TO was hit as/after his first foot hit in and the 2nd foot was across the line.2-point conversion (just watched the replay): TO could have been called for OPI for pushing off. The defender did not hit the ball until after it was in his hands, before he controlled it. Looks like somebody has some rosy glasses.
 
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Spike has been called like that all season. Just put the ball down, don't flip it, spike it, spin it, roll it, just hand it to an official or leave it lay on the ground.Catch on sideline is purely judgement, at full speed it looked like TO was hit as/after his first foot hit in and the 2nd foot was across the line.2-point conversion (just watched the replay): TO could have been called for OPI for pushing off. The defender did not hit the ball until after it was in his hands, before he controlled it. Looks like somebody has some rosy glasses.
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From another perspective...1) He didnt spike it. He dropped it. Horrible call.2) Sideline catch - it looked to me in full speed like he got hit before going out. 3) Watch again, TO didnt push off - Greer was all over him. Who cares when he hit the ball? He had his hands all over TO.Calling out the rosy glasses is pretty ironic when your take is pretty clearly homer on the opposite side. Pot, meet kettle.The truth is obviously somewhere in between. He got some bad calls, but they werent out to get him.
 
daveandken said:
brettdj said:
Spike has been called like that all season. Just put the ball down, don't flip it, spike it, spin it, roll it, just hand it to an official or leave it lay on the ground.Catch on sideline is purely judgement, at full speed it looked like TO was hit as/after his first foot hit in and the 2nd foot was across the line.2-point conversion (just watched the replay): TO could have been called for OPI for pushing off. The defender did not hit the ball until after it was in his hands, before he controlled it. Looks like somebody has some rosy glasses.
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From another perspective...1) He didnt spike it. He dropped it. Horrible call.2) Sideline catch - it looked to me in full speed like he got hit before going out. 3) Watch again, TO didnt push off - Greer was all over him. Who cares when he hit the ball? He had his hands all over TO.Calling out the rosy glasses is pretty ironic when your take is pretty clearly homer on the opposite side. Pot, meet kettle.The truth is obviously somewhere in between. He got some bad calls, but they werent out to get him.
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My rosy glasses might be toward the best officials humans have to offer.
 
brettdj said:
daveandken said:
brettdj said:
Spike has been called like that all season. Just put the ball down, don't flip it, spike it, spin it, roll it, just hand it to an official or leave it lay on the ground.Catch on sideline is purely judgement, at full speed it looked like TO was hit as/after his first foot hit in and the 2nd foot was across the line.2-point conversion (just watched the replay): TO could have been called for OPI for pushing off. The defender did not hit the ball until after it was in his hands, before he controlled it. Looks like somebody has some rosy glasses.
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From another perspective...1) He didnt spike it. He dropped it. Horrible call.2) Sideline catch - it looked to me in full speed like he got hit before going out. 3) Watch again, TO didnt push off - Greer was all over him. Who cares when he hit the ball? He had his hands all over TO.Calling out the rosy glasses is pretty ironic when your take is pretty clearly homer on the opposite side. Pot, meet kettle.The truth is obviously somewhere in between. He got some bad calls, but they werent out to get him.
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My rosy glasses might be toward the best officials humans have to offer.
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Either way, they are still rosy. Pretty hypocritical for you to call out someone else for wearing them when you have them as well.
 
No horse at all in this race.

Here was my take:

#1 Delay of game. A petty call, but they've been calling it that way all year. Also, it was inconsequential. Dallas still got a first down and it was still 1st and 10, not even 1st and 15.

#2 Force Out. It was close but I think that the correct call was made. IMO, Owens' 2nd foot hadn't hit the ground but was already, albeit in the air, over the out of bounds line and he had a lot of momentum which would have made it very unlikely for him to be able "toe tap" and stay in if the defender hit happened a split second later.

#3 A good "no call". Face guarding a bit but more slack should be given on an immediate 2 yard lob (vs a bal thrown down field). The real contact occurred once the ball hit Owens' chest.

 
brettdj said:
Schrute said:
It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.

First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.

Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.

And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.

Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.

Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.
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Spike has been called like that all season. Just put the ball down, don't flip it, spike it, spin it, roll it, just hand it to an official or leave it lay on the ground.Catch on sideline is purely judgement, at full speed it looked like TO was hit as/after his first foot hit in and the 2nd foot was across the line.

2-point conversion (just watched the replay): TO could have been called for OPI for pushing off. The defender did not hit the ball until after it was in his hands, before he controlled it.

Looks like somebody has some rosy glasses.
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you obviously don't have HDTV. He wasn't even given an opportunity to get his second foot down. I know he's not Marvin Harrison, but there was tons of room.The toss the ball call was bs.

 
Wilbur Wood said:
No horse at all in this race.Here was my take:#1 Delay of game. A petty call, but they've been calling it that way all year. Also, it was inconsequential. Dallas still got a first down and it was still 1st and 10, not even 1st and 15.#2 Force Out. It was close but I think that the correct call was made. IMO, Owens' 2nd foot hadn't hit the ground but was already, albeit in the air, over the out of bounds line and he had a lot of momentum which would have made it very unlikely for him to be able "toe tap" and stay in if the defender hit happened a split second later.#3 A good "no call". Face guarding a bit but more slack should be given on an immediate 2 yard lob (vs a bal thrown down field). The real contact occurred once the ball hit Owens' chest.
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you need to rewatch 2 and 3. The ball never hit Owens chest.
 
Schrute said:
It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.
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I was rooting for Buffulo, but I thought a couple of those calls were just plain bad:1. The catch along the sideline, to me, was a CLEAR push out. He had one foot in and the defender took both hands and shoved him out. Whether he would have landed both feet in is debatable, maybe he would have been in and maybe he wouldn't have. But in those situations (where he *did* have a decent chance to land in bounds), isn't the rule to call a force out?2. The no call at the end was crazy. The defender was clearly faceguarding. It was so blatant that I just figured the NFL must have changed the rule in the off season and I missed it. If there is a rule against faceguarding, the defender broke it.
 
Sweet J said:
1. The catch along the sideline, to me, was a CLEAR push out. He had one foot in and the defender took both hands and shoved him out. Whether he would have landed both feet in is debatable, maybe he would have been in and maybe he wouldn't have. But in those situations (where he *did* have a decent chance to land in bounds), isn't the rule to call a force out?
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Uhm, no. The rule is if he was clearly going to come down in bounds, you call the force out. If it's debateable, why would you punish the defense for playing defense?? :rolleyes:
 
Sweet J said:
Schrute said:
It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.
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I was rooting for Buffulo, but I thought a couple of those calls were just plain bad:1. The catch along the sideline, to me, was a CLEAR push out. He had one foot in and the defender took both hands and shoved him out. Whether he would have landed both feet in is debatable, maybe he would have been in and maybe he wouldn't have. But in those situations (where he *did* have a decent chance to land in bounds), isn't the rule to call a force out?2. The no call at the end was crazy. The defender was clearly faceguarding. It was so blatant that I just figured the NFL must have changed the rule in the off season and I missed it. If there is a rule against faceguarding, the defender broke it.
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There is no longer a rule against face guarding.
 
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parrot said:
Sweet J said:
Schrute said:
It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.
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I was rooting for Buffulo, but I thought a couple of those calls were just plain bad:1. The catch along the sideline, to me, was a CLEAR push out. He had one foot in and the defender took both hands and shoved him out. Whether he would have landed both feet in is debatable, maybe he would have been in and maybe he wouldn't have. But in those situations (where he *did* have a decent chance to land in bounds), isn't the rule to call a force out?2. The no call at the end was crazy. The defender was clearly faceguarding. It was so blatant that I just figured the NFL must have changed the rule in the off season and I missed it. If there is a rule against faceguarding, the defender broke it.
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There is no longer a rule against face guarding.
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Fine, forget the faceguarding. His chest and both of his arms made SIGNIFICANT contact with T.O. while the ball was still in the air.
 
Schrute said:
parrot said:
Sweet J said:
Schrute said:
It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.
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I was rooting for Buffulo, but I thought a couple of those calls were just plain bad:1. The catch along the sideline, to me, was a CLEAR push out. He had one foot in and the defender took both hands and shoved him out. Whether he would have landed both feet in is debatable, maybe he would have been in and maybe he wouldn't have. But in those situations (where he *did* have a decent chance to land in bounds), isn't the rule to call a force out?2. The no call at the end was crazy. The defender was clearly faceguarding. It was so blatant that I just figured the NFL must have changed the rule in the off season and I missed it. If there is a rule against faceguarding, the defender broke it.
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There is no longer a rule against face guarding.
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Fine, forget the faceguarding. His chest and both of his arms made SIGNIFICANT contact with T.O. while the ball was still in the air.
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TO DROPPED THE BALL. GET OVER IT.
 
Keith Lewis said:
Schrute said:
parrot said:
Sweet J said:
Schrute said:
It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.
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I was rooting for Buffulo, but I thought a couple of those calls were just plain bad:1. The catch along the sideline, to me, was a CLEAR push out. He had one foot in and the defender took both hands and shoved him out. Whether he would have landed both feet in is debatable, maybe he would have been in and maybe he wouldn't have. But in those situations (where he *did* have a decent chance to land in bounds), isn't the rule to call a force out?2. The no call at the end was crazy. The defender was clearly faceguarding. It was so blatant that I just figured the NFL must have changed the rule in the off season and I missed it. If there is a rule against faceguarding, the defender broke it.
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Fine, forget the faceguarding. His chest and both of his arms made SIGNIFICANT contact with T.O. while the ball was still in the air.
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TO DROPPED THE BALL. GET OVER IT.
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You're a real treat. Get over yourself.
 
Loke said:
Sweet J said:
1. The catch along the sideline, to me, was a CLEAR push out. He had one foot in and the defender took both hands and shoved him out. Whether he would have landed both feet in is debatable, maybe he would have been in and maybe he wouldn't have. But in those situations (where he *did* have a decent chance to land in bounds), isn't the rule to call a force out?
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Uhm, no. The rule is if he was clearly going to come down in bounds, you call the force out. If it's debateable, why would you punish the defense for playing defense?? :boxing:
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Geez, you guys are both taking exaggerated stances. Its neither way.Its just a simple judgement call, would he be in or out. No 'CLEARLY' required.
 
####### introduces himself as "needs no introduction," then proceeds to catch 2 of 11 targets. No sympathy here for this clown.

 
daveandken said:
Loke said:
Sweet J said:
1. The catch along the sideline, to me, was a CLEAR push out. He had one foot in and the defender took both hands and shoved him out. Whether he would have landed both feet in is debatable, maybe he would have been in and maybe he wouldn't have. But in those situations (where he *did* have a decent chance to land in bounds), isn't the rule to call a force out?
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Uhm, no. The rule is if he was clearly going to come down in bounds, you call the force out. If it's debateable, why would you punish the defense for playing defense?? :goodposting:
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Geez, you guys are both taking exaggerated stances. Its neither way.Its just a simple judgement call, would he be in or out. No 'CLEARLY' required.
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"A pass is completed or intercepted, or a loose ball recovered, if the player inbounds would have landed inbounds with both feet but is carried or pushed out-of-bounds while in possession of the ball in the air or before the second foot touches the ball inbounds by an opponent. The player must maintain possession of the ball when he lands out-of-bounds."There, we can quit arguing semantics now...
 
With all these threads you would think Dallas lost the game.

In before "Dallas would have won by 50 if the refs weren't cheaters" comments.

 
daveandken said:
Loke said:
Schrute said:
Fine, forget the faceguarding. His chest and both of his arms made SIGNIFICANT contact with T.O. while the ball was still in the air.
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No he didn't. He played good defense and made the play. TO didn't.
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Seems to be a matter of opinion and perspective. Its not clear either way. There was clearly contact, but did it constitute PI? Hard to tell.
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I didn't see any contact prior to the ball arriving. The announcers didn't. TO didn't argue for interference. Neither did Phillips.
 
Keith Lewis said:
Schrute said:
It is screamingly obvious that NFL referees hate T.O. and don't give him a fair shake.First of all, when he "spiked" the ball after that early catch last night, it was total BS. He didn't spike it - at all. He threw it directly toward an official. Yet they call delay of game for spiking it. The game actually would've been delayed more had he just left the ball laying on the ground where he caught it.Secondly, on a catch along the sideline, he got one foot in and then was clearly pushed out by two defenders before being able to bring his second foot down. He maintained control of the ball the whole time. Yet neither official ruled it a force-out. It was the very definition of a force-out.And finally, on the would-be game-tying two-point conversion attempt, that was TEXT BOOK pass interference on the defense. The guy had his back to the ball, jumped up, face guarded, and made significant contact with his body and both arms way before the ball got there. No flag.Of course, the idiot ESPN announcers were too busy crowning Trent Edwards as the next Tom Brady to discuss any of this.Those referees should be fired. I'm not even a Cowboys fan, nor do I have T.O. on any of my fantasy teams, so there's no bias on my part.
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I had a buddy who burned down my house leaving me with 3rd degree burns over 95% of my body. He snuck into my house one night and cut both of my arms off, tied me up and raped my girlfriend in front of my own eyes. As he left he killed both of my dogs, then he took a dump in my refrigerator. He called me out of the blue today and wants to borrow 10K, what do you think I should do? :goodposting: :shrug: :shrug:
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I don't know, but I want to buy your buddy a drink!
 
ChrisHenrysDD said:
With all these threads you would think Dallas lost the game.In before "Dallas would have won by 50 if the refs weren't cheaters" comments.
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Notice how the OP states that he isnt even a Cowboy fan.But of course you would know that someone would come in here to rip on the Cowboys. :goodposting:
 
Loke said:
daveandken said:
Loke said:
Schrute said:
Fine, forget the faceguarding. His chest and both of his arms made SIGNIFICANT contact with T.O. while the ball was still in the air.
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No he didn't. He played good defense and made the play. TO didn't.
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Seems to be a matter of opinion and perspective. Its not clear either way. There was clearly contact, but did it constitute PI? Hard to tell.
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I didn't see any contact prior to the ball arriving. The announcers didn't. TO didn't argue for interference. Neither did Phillips.
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Same announcers touting Trent Edwards coming out party when the offense scored a total of 3 point. Yah, they were muted most of the game for me. I don't know what they said, nor do I care. Worst announcing I have heard in a while. Jaws even had a Bills jersey on hand. You can ignore them.Phillips was too far from the play to argue.If TO complained, you would have called him a whiner. Thats generally not his MO anyway. He's a pretty physical receiver and doesnt generally ask for PI calls. Probably an ego thing.
 
all 3 calls were terrible..

1 TO did not spike the ball the ball..and for the record you can spike it out of bound and not be penalized..

2 he was pushed out..his body was moving upfield not towards the sideline utill he got pushed..his outside foot was inbounds which means his inside foot would definately been in...

3 their was obvious contact on the 2pt conversion try before the ball got there...

TO haters and dallas haters will see things differently..but dallas won so it really doesnt matter...

 
Loke said:
daveandken said:
Loke said:
Sweet J said:
1. The catch along the sideline, to me, was a CLEAR push out. He had one foot in and the defender took both hands and shoved him out. Whether he would have landed both feet in is debatable, maybe he would have been in and maybe he wouldn't have. But in those situations (where he *did* have a decent chance to land in bounds), isn't the rule to call a force out?
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Uhm, no. The rule is if he was clearly going to come down in bounds, you call the force out. If it's debateable, why would you punish the defense for playing defense?? :shrug:
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Geez, you guys are both taking exaggerated stances. Its neither way.Its just a simple judgement call, would he be in or out. No 'CLEARLY' required.
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"A pass is completed or intercepted, or a loose ball recovered, if the player inbounds would have landed inbounds with both feet but is carried or pushed out-of-bounds while in possession of the ball in the air or before the second foot touches the ball inbounds by an opponent. The player must maintain possession of the ball when he lands out-of-bounds."There, we can quit arguing semantics now...
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"or before the second foot touches the ball inbounds by an opponent." What means this?

 
Cowboy Homer and someone who was at the game.

The spike was ridiculous.

It should have been a force out.

I saw NO reason to call PI on the 2 pointer. Great coverage by Greer.

I thought TO played poorly tonight:

He struggled against press coverage

Dropped 2 balls and I thought could have dived for the other.

Nice to see him be supportive of Romo thoughout the night.....but he is a cancer. RIGHT.

 
i got my way...dallas won!!!! and TO has continued to drop many balls, but it doesnt change the fact that he doesnt get the same treatment as other wrs...and he has probably brought this on himself but as long as he doesnt blow up and dallas continues to win, the officiating can continue to suck when it comes to him

 
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