The Nick Foles era (2 Viewers)

[JetMaxx]

Who do you expect to be a fixture in the top 5 for the next ten years? To me there's Rodgers, Luck, and Cam (if he can stay healthy). Stafford would be a shoe in except for his inconsistency. I think Foles has as good of a chance at putting up top 5 numbers as anyone considering he's in a great system to do it.

Yeah... Rodgers and no one else for me once the older guys are gone. It'll be more fluid than it has been. If Luck, Griffin and Cam stay healthy they'll be in the mix, but I wouldn't pay for them. I'd rather hang onto Foles and hope to draft another good one since QBs can be had cheap in rookie drafts.

Russell Wilson will be the best. He'll be fantasy gold when that offense transitions.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I don't believe Brady has been top-5 for ten years, even if I excuse his injured season.....so why mention him as that benchmark? Besides, Peyton has had more consistency at the top-5 of the QB pecking order over that same time frame.....let's just use him as the benchmark, why don't we.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I don't believe Brady has been top-5 for ten years, even if I excuse his injured season.....so why mention him as that benchmark? Besides, Peyton has had more consistency at the top-5 of the QB pecking order over that same time frame.....let's just use him as the benchmark, why don't we.

Fair enough, but I was speaking pretty loosely there and using Brady as an example of a later drafted QB who ascended to the very top of the rankings. I don't expect that from Foles.

 

[cstu]

I don't believe Brady has been top-5 for ten years, even if I excuse his injured season.....so why mention him as that benchmark? Besides, Peyton has had more consistency at the top-5 of the QB pecking order over that same time frame.....let's just use him as the benchmark, why don't we.

Brady was QB8 or better in 7 straight years (excluding when he was injured). He was only outside the top 5 in two of those years.

By the way, few thought Brady would be a top 5 fixture when he was 24 (in which by the way he had 9.0 sack%).

 

[Pickle Rody]

I don't believe Brady has been top-5 for ten years, even if I excuse his injured season.....so why mention him as that benchmark? Besides, Peyton has had more consistency at the top-5 of the QB pecking order over that same time frame.....let's just use him as the benchmark, why don't we.

Brady was QB8 or better in 7 straight years (excluding when he was injured). He was only outside the top 5 in two of those years.

By the way, few thought Brady would be a top 5 fixture when he was 24 (in which by the way he had 9.0 sack%).

So, you confirmed my beliefs? Top-5 in just 5 non-consecutive, non-injured years. How about Mannings numbers? Honestly, I'd like to see those.My point being that neither is a fair benchmark to use for predictions for Foles at this point in time in his career. Let's give him another year of production in Kelly's offense before we predict he rewrites the record books.

Do I think Foles will have another year of great stats in 2014? Yes, I do, but I doubt they will match last years TD/Int ratio no matter how they are sliced.

 

[starks]

I don't believe Brady has been top-5 for ten years, even if I excuse his injured season.....so why mention him as that benchmark? Besides, Peyton has had more consistency at the top-5 of the QB pecking order over that same time frame.....let's just use him as the benchmark, why don't we.

Brady was QB8 or better in 7 straight years (excluding when he was injured). He was only outside the top 5 in two of those years.

By the way, few thought Brady would be a top 5 fixture when he was 24 (in which by the way he had 9.0 sack%).

So, you confirmed my beliefs? Top-5 in just 5 non-consecutive, non-injured years. How about Mannings numbers? Honestly, I'd like to see those.My point being that neither is a fair benchmark to use for predictions for Foles at this point in time in his career. Let's give him another year of production in Kelly's offense before we predict he rewrites the record books.

Do I think Foles will have another year of great stats in 2014? Yes, I do, but I doubt they will match last years TD/Int ratio no matter how they are sliced.

I don't think anybody is expecting the TD/Int ratio. He is in my top 5 for dynasty and redraft right now because I think he has a better than average chance to get 300/3 any given week. .

 

[Faust]

Nick Foles wows Philadelphia Eagles' new QBs coach:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000360650/article/nick-foles-wows-philadelphia-eagles-new-qbs-coach

 

[John Paul]

Lucky enough to have Foles backing up Rodgers on my dynasty team.

 

[cstu]

Nick Foles wows Philadelphia Eagles' new QBs coach:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000360650/article/nick-foles-wows-philadelphia-eagles-new-qbs-coach

He's the real deal, folks.

 

[Faust]

LeSean McCoy: This is year Nick Foles 'blows it away'By Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

Tape-watchers are all over the map on Nick Foles.

When Around The League's Chris Wesseling ranked the quarterbacks this week, he placed the Philadelphia Eagles starter in his "borderline franchise" category, noting that Foles' "numbers are more impressive than his game tape."

ESPN.com's Mike Sando released a QB list of his own, a docket channeled from talks with 26 league insiders who collectively placed Foles in the second (best) of five tiers.

Those personnel men were divided, with one general manager calling the third-year passer "a four (tier) who played like a two" during last year's breakout campaign. A second GM "boldly placed Foles in the first tier based on what he saw last season."

Eagles running back LeSean McCoy has heard the wide-ranging perceptions of his signal-caller and fully expects Foles to put the debate to rest in 2014.

"Nick, he wants to play, he wants to get better. He's playing lights out even in camp, but he still wants to be at a higher level," McCoy said Wednesday night, via CSN Philly. "He's at that peak where people know him like, 'Man, this Foles, is he that good?' Because you see the stats, you see the numbers. I think this is the year he blows 'em out like, 'Yeah, I'm Nick Foles. I'm Philadelphia's quarterback. I'm the guy.' And this is the year he blows it away."

Foles was a statistical revelation in 10 starts last season, taking over for Michael Vick to rip off an outrageous 27:2 touchdown-to-interception ratio and lead the league with a passer rating of 119.2.

As part of an Eagles offense that piled up a whopping 80 plays of 20-plus yards -- 14 more than Peyton Manning's Broncos -- Foles topped his peers with 9.1 yards per attempt. Still, the challenge with Foles is piecing together how much of that production is attributable to his difference-making versus a Chip Kelly-led scheme that saw players shatter career bests at every skill position on the field.

"Foles could be like a Kerry Collins or Jake Delhomme, a three (tier) who plays like a two or four," one talent evaluator told Sando.

McCoy believes these summertime questions will fade away for good -- in his quarterback's favor -- come Christmas.

The latest "Around The League Podcast" ranked the top quarterbacks in the NFL today.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Nick Foles - QB - Eagles
The Philadelphia Inquirer says Nick Foles has been good, but not great so far at camp.
Foles was certainly great when he got his chance last season, leading the NFL in YPA and passer rating while ranking sixth among quarterbacks in fantasy points per game. Concerns for an encore include a natural regression off an absurd 27:2 TD-to-INT rate, the loss of DeSean Jackson and a full offseason for defensive coordinators to study the Chip Kelly scheme. Foles' current ADP is currently in the sixth round, ahead of Robert Griffin III, Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan and Tony Romo among others.


Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
Aug 1 - 8:53 AM

 

[Snotbubbles]

Nick Foles - QB - Eagles
The Philadelphia Inquirer says Nick Foles has been good, but not great so far at camp.
Foles was certainly great when he got his chance last season, leading the NFL in YPA and passer rating while ranking sixth among quarterbacks in fantasy points per game. Concerns for an encore include a natural regression off an absurd 27:2 TD-to-INT rate, the loss of DeSean Jackson and a full offseason for defensive coordinators to study the Chip Kelly scheme. Foles' current ADP is currently in the sixth round, ahead of Robert Griffin III, Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan and Tony Romo among others.


Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
Aug 1 - 8:53 AM

I love when I read that Foles will regress due to DC being able to study Chip Kelly's scheme. Like Chip hasn't been able to study their scheme's. I think Kelly already knows what they will try and do and he'll have the adjustments ready when they try it.

 

[cstu]

Had Brady not won the SB his first year starting people would have been saying this same "he's a 4th tier QB playing like a 2nd tier" crap about him.

 

[mbuehner]

Cracks me up that every idiot analyst starts by questioning whether Foles can keep up that unprecedented TD-Int ratio. Of course he cant, but thats irrelevant, nobody can. It was a statistical anomaly. Do any of the other QB1s need a 27-2 int ratio to establish themselves? Of course not. Did any grest QB? Of course not.

Judge Foles on what his production might be, not on silly impossible goals.

 

[JetMaxx]

I'll say it again, what would the analysts say if Luck had that same stat line?

 

[Terpman22]

I'll say it again, what would the analysts say if Luck had that same stat line?

not much as his #### would be in their mouths.

 

[Chaka]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

 

[Tool]

Cracks me up that every idiot analyst starts by questioning whether Foles can keep up that unprecedented TD-Int ratio. Of course he cant, but thats irrelevant, nobody can. It was a statistical anomaly. Do any of the other QB1s need a 27-2 int ratio to establish themselves? Of course not. Did any grest QB? Of course not.

Judge Foles on what his production might be, not on silly impossible goals.

Was thinking the same thing. I feel like i've read that from 10 different people.

 

[Tool]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

i don't think anyone's saying he's Peyton, Brees or Brady. Geez. Brady and Peyton are two of the greatest QB's of all-time and Brees isn't too far behind.

 

[cstu]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

i don't think anyone's saying he's Peyton, Brees or Brady. Geez. Brady and Peyton are two of the greatest QB's of all-time and Brees isn't too far behind.

It seems like he was so good last year that people want to tell themselves that it had to be a fluke and that he actually sucks. I have no idea how good he is but I don't believe a bad QB could do what he did.

The closest 'fluke' season I could find was by a 33 year Chris Chandler in 1998 who threw 25 TD's and 12 INT's (6 times as many as Foles). Otherwise he's in a territory with the greatest QB's of all time.

 

[Chaka]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

i don't think anyone's saying he's Peyton, Brees or Brady. Geez. Brady and Peyton are two of the greatest QB's of all-time and Brees isn't too far behind.

It seems like he was so good last year that people want to tell themselves that it had to be a fluke and that he actually sucks. I have no idea how good he is but I don't believe a bad QB could do what he did.

The closest 'fluke' season I could find was by a 33 year Chris Chandler in 1998 who threw 25 TD's and 12 INT's (6 times as many as Foles). Otherwise he's in a territory with the greatest QB's of all time.

So we all agree he isn't Peyton, then why are people being critical of the Phili Enquirer for saying so? And where do we see him leveling out? Personally I see him as a Rivers level passer, which is nothing to sneeze at but I think that is the mean I think Foles will regress to (yes with the potential to have a 20 int season).

 

[cstu]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

i don't think anyone's saying he's Peyton, Brees or Brady. Geez. Brady and Peyton are two of the greatest QB's of all-time and Brees isn't too far behind.

It seems like he was so good last year that people want to tell themselves that it had to be a fluke and that he actually sucks. I have no idea how good he is but I don't believe a bad QB could do what he did.

The closest 'fluke' season I could find was by a 33 year Chris Chandler in 1998 who threw 25 TD's and 12 INT's (6 times as many as Foles). Otherwise he's in a territory with the greatest QB's of all time.

So we all agree he isn't Peyton, then why are people being critical of the Phili Enquirer for saying so? And where do we see him leveling out? Personally I see him as a Rivers level passer, which is nothing to sneeze at but I think that is the mean I think Foles will regress to (yes with the potential to have a 20 int season).

Why set a limit on how good Foles can be? Here's how Foles' first year starting at 24 compared to Rodgers' first year at the same age:

Rodgers: 341/536 (64.6%), 7.5 YPA, 28 TD, 13 INT

Foles: 203/317 (64.0%), 9.1 YPA, 27 TD, 2 INT

 

[Chaka]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

i don't think anyone's saying he's Peyton, Brees or Brady. Geez. Brady and Peyton are two of the greatest QB's of all-time and Brees isn't too far behind.

It seems like he was so good last year that people want to tell themselves that it had to be a fluke and that he actually sucks. I have no idea how good he is but I don't believe a bad QB could do what he did.

The closest 'fluke' season I could find was by a 33 year Chris Chandler in 1998 who threw 25 TD's and 12 INT's (6 times as many as Foles). Otherwise he's in a territory with the greatest QB's of all time.

So we all agree he isn't Peyton, then why are people being critical of the Phili Enquirer for saying so? And where do we see him leveling out? Personally I see him as a Rivers level passer, which is nothing to sneeze at but I think that is the mean I think Foles will regress to (yes with the potential to have a 20 int season).

Why set a limit on how good Foles can be? Here's how Foles' first year starting at 24 compared to Rodgers' first year at the same age:Rodgers: 341/536 (64.6%), 7.5 YPA, 28 TD, 13 INT

Foles: 203/317 (64.0%), 9.1 YPA, 27 TD, 2 INT

Sounds like you just set a limit on him of better than Rodgers. Nothing wrong with believing it but I personally think it's a reach and wouldn't draft him at that value.

 

[babydemon90]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

i don't think anyone's saying he's Peyton, Brees or Brady. Geez. Brady and Peyton are two of the greatest QB's of all-time and Brees isn't too far behind.

It seems like he was so good last year that people want to tell themselves that it had to be a fluke and that he actually sucks. I have no idea how good he is but I don't believe a bad QB could do what he did.

The closest 'fluke' season I could find was by a 33 year Chris Chandler in 1998 who threw 25 TD's and 12 INT's (6 times as many as Foles). Otherwise he's in a territory with the greatest QB's of all time.

So we all agree he isn't Peyton, then why are people being critical of the Phili Enquirer for saying so? And where do we see him leveling out? Personally I see him as a Rivers level passer, which is nothing to sneeze at but I think that is the mean I think Foles will regress to (yes with the potential to have a 20 int season).

It seems to be setting the stage for a regression as a disappointment, when it's simply what will be.. A rivers-esque season would be a success, imo.

 

[JMJ]

The only thing truly "absurd" about his stats last season was the TD to INT ratio (27-2). Is he going to have a worse TD-INT ratio this year? Most likely, yes. Does that mean he can't improve on his yards and TDs though? Absolutely not!

He and the entire offense are now in year 2 of Chip's system, and he is working the entire offseason as the starter for the first time in his career and should benefit from all the reps. So while his TD to INT ratio will not be 13.5-to-1 this year, there is no reason to think he can't go for 4,500 yards and 35 TDs (who cares about the amount of INTs at that point - but lets say 12).

This will easily place him in the top 5 QBs when you add in 100 rushing yards and another 2 scores or so on the ground.

I'm bullish on Foles this year EVEN THOUGH I don't expect from him what I saw last year. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Foles starts the year with Jac-Ind-Was. Let's hold off the regression talk for a few weeks.

The only concern is his passing attempts. The Eagles defense is getting better. Chip Kelly could go with a ball control offense. If Foles was throwing the ball at a Brees/Manning pace, he'd be the top QB in FF.

 

[Chaka]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

i don't think anyone's saying he's Peyton, Brees or Brady. Geez. Brady and Peyton are two of the greatest QB's of all-time and Brees isn't too far behind.

It seems like he was so good last year that people want to tell themselves that it had to be a fluke and that he actually sucks. I have no idea how good he is but I don't believe a bad QB could do what he did.

The closest 'fluke' season I could find was by a 33 year Chris Chandler in 1998 who threw 25 TD's and 12 INT's (6 times as many as Foles). Otherwise he's in a territory with the greatest QB's of all time.

So we all agree he isn't Peyton, then why are people being critical of the Phili Enquirer for saying so? And where do we see him leveling out? Personally I see him as a Rivers level passer, which is nothing to sneeze at but I think that is the mean I think Foles will regress to (yes with the potential to have a 20 int season).

It seems to be setting the stage for a regression as a disappointment, when it's simply what will be.. A rivers-esque season would be a success, imo.

I absolutely agree.

 

[Chaka]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

i don't think anyone's saying he's Peyton, Brees or Brady. Geez. Brady and Peyton are two of the greatest QB's of all-time and Brees isn't too far behind.

It seems like he was so good last year that people want to tell themselves that it had to be a fluke and that he actually sucks. I have no idea how good he is but I don't believe a bad QB could do what he did.

The closest 'fluke' season I could find was by a 33 year Chris Chandler in 1998 who threw 25 TD's and 12 INT's (6 times as many as Foles). Otherwise he's in a territory with the greatest QB's of all time.

So we all agree he isn't Peyton, then why are people being critical of the Phili Enquirer for saying so? And where do we see him leveling out? Personally I see him as a Rivers level passer, which is nothing to sneeze at but I think that is the mean I think Foles will regress to (yes with the potential to have a 20 int season).

Why set a limit on how good Foles can be? Here's how Foles' first year starting at 24 compared to Rodgers' first year at the same age:Rodgers: 341/536 (64.6%), 7.5 YPA, 28 TD, 13 INT

Foles: 203/317 (64.0%), 9.1 YPA, 27 TD, 2 INT

Sounds like you just set a limit on him of better than Rodgers. Nothing wrong with believing it but I personally think it's a reach and wouldn't draft him at that value.

BTW cstu I did not mean this to be a snarky response. I do honestly think it is possible that Foles could be a Rodgers esque talent. I am just not ready to draft him as such this season.

 

[Chaka]

The only thing truly "absurd" about his stats last season was the TD to INT ratio (27-2). Is he going to have a worse TD-INT ratio this year? Most likely, yes. Does that mean he can't improve on his yards and TDs though? Absolutely not!

He and the entire offense are now in year 2 of Chip's system, and he is working the entire offseason as the starter for the first time in his career and should benefit from all the reps. So while his TD to INT ratio will not be 13.5-to-1 this year, there is no reason to think he can't go for 4,500 yards and 35 TDs (who cares about the amount of INTs at that point - but lets say 12).

This will easily place him in the top 5 QBs when you add in 100 rushing yards and another 2 scores or so on the ground.

I'm bullish on Foles this year EVEN THOUGH I don't expect from him what I saw last year. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Actually he was significantly better on the ground than that last year. He ran for 22.1 yards/game and 3 TDs in 10 starts. That projects to 354 yards and 4.8 TDs over a 16 game season. Kelly isn't shy to use him on bootlegs particularly near the end zone.

 

[pantherclub]

Did anyone in here arguing against Foles actually watch any of his games. Sure stats are stats but my eyes tell me Foles is a big time player both fantasy and real world. I would bet just about anything, barring injury, that Foles is going to be top 5. He has a lot of weapons, a full year under his belt, he runs and Kelly has already said that they want to open it up more. I think he is top five and will reach to get him. I think by the end of preseason he will be going early/mid third.

 

[Chaka]

Did anyone in here arguing against Foles actually watch any of his games. Sure stats are stats but my eyes tell me Foles is a big time player both fantasy and real world. I would bet just about anything, barring injury, that Foles is going to be top 5. He has a lot of weapons, a full year under his belt, he runs and Kelly has already said that they want to open it up more. I think he is top five and will reach to get him. I think by the end of preseason he will be going early/mid third.

I appreciate you taking such a strong stance on Foles and you may be right. He was incredibly impressive last year and it could easily pay off for you to jump on him early.

However I think the bolded may be my most hated argument in the history of internet thread postings (even worse then the "I'm a local so I know more about the local sports team").

 

[pantherclub]

Did anyone in here arguing against Foles actually watch any of his games. Sure stats are stats but my eyes tell me Foles is a big time player both fantasy and real world. I would bet just about anything, barring injury, that Foles is going to be top 5. He has a lot of weapons, a full year under his belt, he runs and Kelly has already said that they want to open it up more. I think he is top five and will reach to get him. I think by the end of preseason he will be going early/mid third.

I appreciate you taking such a strong stance on Foles and you may be right. He was incredibly impressive last year and it could easily pay off for you to jump on him early.

However I think the bolded may be my most hated argument in the history of internet thread postings (even worse then the "I'm a local so I know more about the local sports team").

No I didnt mean to go that route, but since the above posts were heavily referring to his "stats" and the history of such I was just saying that in this case his stats dont tell the whole story.

 

[cstu]

Not sure why people are criticizing the Philadelphia for stating the obvious. He is going to regress, they know it, we know it, I am pretty sure Chip Kelly knows it and didn't Foles actually say something about it?

The question is how large will this regression be? And I think it is completely valid to speculate on all the things that are different about this season particularly the loss of Jackson (why would anyone pretend that won't be huge? Cooper and Maclin are not the same caliber) and the fact that defenses always do catch up with player tendencies. Is Foles the kind of player who can make defenses pay in spite of that? Is he a Peyton, Brees or Brady type of QB who is defense proof? Or is he closer to a Stafford or Rivers or Eli? I lean towards the latter. NTTAWWT.

i don't think anyone's saying he's Peyton, Brees or Brady. Geez. Brady and Peyton are two of the greatest QB's of all-time and Brees isn't too far behind.

It seems like he was so good last year that people want to tell themselves that it had to be a fluke and that he actually sucks. I have no idea how good he is but I don't believe a bad QB could do what he did.

The closest 'fluke' season I could find was by a 33 year Chris Chandler in 1998 who threw 25 TD's and 12 INT's (6 times as many as Foles). Otherwise he's in a territory with the greatest QB's of all time.

So we all agree he isn't Peyton, then why are people being critical of the Phili Enquirer for saying so? And where do we see him leveling out? Personally I see him as a Rivers level passer, which is nothing to sneeze at but I think that is the mean I think Foles will regress to (yes with the potential to have a 20 int season).

Why set a limit on how good Foles can be? Here's how Foles' first year starting at 24 compared to Rodgers' first year at the same age:Rodgers: 341/536 (64.6%), 7.5 YPA, 28 TD, 13 INT

Foles: 203/317 (64.0%), 9.1 YPA, 27 TD, 2 INT

Sounds like you just set a limit on him of better than Rodgers. Nothing wrong with believing it but I personally think it's a reach and wouldn't draft him at that value.

BTW cstu I did not mean this to be a snarky response. I do honestly think it is possible that Foles could be a Rodgers esque talent. I am just not ready to draft him as such this season.

Nor am I. In redraft he's a risk when there are safer options, but in dynasty I don't think you'll get him cheaper than right now.

 

[cstu]

The only thing truly "absurd" about his stats last season was the TD to INT ratio (27-2). Is he going to have a worse TD-INT ratio this year? Most likely, yes. Does that mean he can't improve on his yards and TDs though? Absolutely not!

He and the entire offense are now in year 2 of Chip's system, and he is working the entire offseason as the starter for the first time in his career and should benefit from all the reps. So while his TD to INT ratio will not be 13.5-to-1 this year, there is no reason to think he can't go for 4,500 yards and 35 TDs (who cares about the amount of INTs at that point - but lets say 12).

This will easily place him in the top 5 QBs when you add in 100 rushing yards and another 2 scores or so on the ground.

I'm bullish on Foles this year EVEN THOUGH I don't expect from him what I saw last year. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

More absurd than that to me was his 9.1 YPA. Only 9 times in history has a QB had a higher YPA in a season.

NAME 	        POS 	YR 	AGE 	EXP 	G 	CMP 	ATT 	PYD 	Y/A 	PTD 	INT 	FANT PTNick Foles	qb	2013	24	2	13	203	317	2891	9.12	27	2	291.1Joe Montana	qb	1989	33	11	13	271	386	3521	9.12	26	8	312.8

 

[John Paul]

Grabbed Jordan Matthews at 1.02 in dynasty draft today to pair with Foles moving forward. Good to go.

 

[Tool]

Grabbed Jordan Matthews at 1.02 in dynasty draft today to pair with Foles moving forward. Good to go.

I hope you're from europe and 1.02 means 1st pick of the second round.

 

[msommer]

Grabbed Jordan Matthews at 1.02 in dynasty draft today to pair with Foles moving forward. Good to go.

I hope you're from europe and 1.02 means 1st pick of the second round.

It doesn't mean that in Europe.....

 

[mbuehner]

The only thing truly "absurd" about his stats last season was the TD to INT ratio (27-2). Is he going to have a worse TD-INT ratio this year? Most likely, yes. Does that mean he can't improve on his yards and TDs though? Absolutely not!

He and the entire offense are now in year 2 of Chip's system, and he is working the entire offseason as the starter for the first time in his career and should benefit from all the reps. So while his TD to INT ratio will not be 13.5-to-1 this year, there is no reason to think he can't go for 4,500 yards and 35 TDs (who cares about the amount of INTs at that point - but lets say 12).

This will easily place him in the top 5 QBs when you add in 100 rushing yards and another 2 scores or so on the ground.

I'm bullish on Foles this year EVEN THOUGH I don't expect from him what I saw last year. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

This guy gets it.

 

[dhockster]

The funny part of all this is people really don't know what to do or say about someone who has so much success early on. This applies to both Kelly and Foles. If they had been medicocre last year the common

consensus would be that they will get better this year because they are in the second year of the system, everyone is more familiar with what they are doing, and Foles will have a year of experience under his belt so he will be better

this year. But since Foles was extraordinarily successful last year, the common consensus is that defenses will catch up to him and he won't be as good.

I think defenses will adjust to Kelly's system (which ran the ball an awful lot), and Kelly will make adjustments as well. I think it is likely that the Eagles throw a little more this year because of those adjustments. Because of the increased

attempts, I don't think he will be as efficient as he was last year (worse TD/Int ratio, lower YPA) but he will have more TD's, More yards, and ultimately more FF points per game.

Disclaimer: Eagle fan bias included in analysis

 

[Faust]

Nick Foles: 'I want to excel' as starting QB

http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/6796/nick-foles-i-want-to-excel-as-starting-qb

 

[Chaka]

Nick Foles: 'I want to excel' as starting QB

http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/6796/nick-foles-i-want-to-excel-as-starting-qb

Ever heard a QB say 'I want to suck' as starting QB?

 

[Insein]

Nick Foles: 'I want to excel' as starting QB

http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/6796/nick-foles-i-want-to-excel-as-starting-qb

Ever heard a QB say 'I want to suck' as starting QB?

Or even "I want to be mediocre as a starting QB."

 

[SacramentoBob]

Nick Foles: 'I want to excel' as starting QB

http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/6796/nick-foles-i-want-to-excel-as-starting-qb

Ever heard a QB say 'I want to suck' as starting QB?

Or even "I want to be mediocre as a starting QB."

"I'd like to be no better than the bottom 1/3 of all QBs this year".

 

[Chaka]

I know it's only the first preseason game and doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things but

 

[King of the Jungle]

I know it's only the first preseason game and doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things but

I didn't see it, was he looking pretty rusty?

 

[Insein]

I know it's only the first preseason game and doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things but

I didn't see it, was he looking pretty rusty?

One Pick was because the 3rd string WR Momah was in there and fell down. The second one though he forced into double coverage.

I'd say it's more a product of the vanilla offense and not having good timing with the WRs than he's rusty. I don't expect this to matter at all week 1.

 

[Faust]

Nick Foles' growth has QB, Eagles facing sky-high expectations:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000377376/article/nick-foles-growth-has-qb-eagles-facing-skyhigh-expectations

 

[mbuehner]

Foles might even throw 4 ints this season and what a disaster that would be.

 

[Insein]

Foles might even throw 4 ints this season and what a disaster that would be.

The cry would be he threw twice as many ints as last year. He's not Kellys guy.

 

[Faust]

Nick Foles happy he found form vs. Patriots