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The OFFICIAL 2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers thread (1 Viewer)

Capella

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Should be lots of activity. Bucs canned most of the defensive staff, while leaving such coaching legends as Bill Muir gainfully employed. I guess one year is enough to gauge the defensive guys, but Muir needs 6 years, not 5 to put a legit line together.

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Anyhow, should be lots of activity this off-season. I'll take one Calvin Johnson please.

 
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The first TB thread of 07' and Capella has to edit it? Not a good start. :tumbleweed:

I'd say the Bucs are the 2nd best 0-0 team in the history of the NFL.

 
How much cap room do they have? I heard they had the most in the NFL But I'm not sure about that.

I don't think that Calvin Johnson will get to the #3 or #4 spot. So I think the Bucs should go with a QB. Maybe Brady Quinn? Other than That I think the bucs should trade down. Or If Petrino doesn't want Vick offer the first round pick along with some players for Vick.

 
Calvin Johnson would be awesome, we'd have one great vet WR and 3 nice young WRs.

Priority #1 of the offseason, spend that caproom to bring in a real QB. Simms is signed to a reasonable contract to fight for the starting spot again, but he may be best served as a quality backup behind a real leader.

I like the O-Line next year, I think they actually did a decent job this year and they're one of the youngest units in the league.

The Defense needs to be reworked. Ronde and Kelly are fine on the corners but the depth in the defensive backfield was just atrocious this year. The linebackers are just not fast enough anymore to effectively run Monte's scheme. Mr. Brooks needs to take on a coaching role while we bring in a fast rookie to replace him (still wish we had taken Ernie Sims last year.) Ruud should start in the middle and the SAM spot can be handled by Wilborn/Nece.

Maybe this draft will finally be the defensive-focused draft fans have been clamoring for. Gruden has his RB, WRs, TE, O-linemen and QB now it's time for Monte to re-tool as well.

 
apkballa said:
How much cap room do they have? I heard they had the most in the NFL But I'm not sure about that.I don't think that Calvin Johnson will get to the #3 or #4 spot. So I think the Bucs should go with a QB. Maybe Brady Quinn? Other than That I think the bucs should trade down. Or If Petrino doesn't want Vick offer the first round pick along with some players for Vick.
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I believe they're around $24 mil under the cap for 2007.
 
Local sports radio speculated that the Bucs were shopping Gruden for draft picks. I think it's ridiculous considering what coaching options are out there, but who knows.

Isn't there something in place now that prohibits a trade like the one between the Bucs and Oakland for Gruden?

 
gump said:
Local sports radio speculated that the Bucs were shopping Gruden for draft picks. I think it's ridiculous considering what coaching options are out there, but who knows.Isn't there something in place now that prohibits a trade like the one between the Bucs and Oakland for Gruden?
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Head coaches can still be traded for picks, assistant coaches cannot.PFT had some interesting speculation that Gruden may be traded to Baltimore since that team resembles the Bucs team he led to a SB (all defense no offense)
 
gump said:
Local sports radio speculated that the Bucs were shopping Gruden for draft picks. I think it's ridiculous considering what coaching options are out there, but who knows.Isn't there something in place now that prohibits a trade like the one between the Bucs and Oakland for Gruden?
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Who would they trade him to? Personally I think a coaching change is what the bucs need. Maybe they could get Dennis Green. He is a great team Builder. Look at the talent he put together in Arizona. Not to mention Getting Moss and Culpepper together in Minnesota. A guy like him would be the best thing for the bucs.
 
Punchie said:
gump said:
Local sports radio speculated that the Bucs were shopping Gruden for draft picks. I think it's ridiculous considering what coaching options are out there, but who knows.Isn't there something in place now that prohibits a trade like the one between the Bucs and Oakland for Gruden?
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Head coaches can still be traded for picks, assistant coaches cannot.PFT had some interesting speculation that Gruden may be traded to Baltimore since that team resembles the Bucs team he led to a SB (all defense no offense)
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Punchie - is there no restriction on which picks?
 
Punchie said:
Calvin Johnson would be awesome, we'd have one great vet WR and 3 nice young WRs.
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Yeah I would love to go get a red Calvin Johnson jersey. I assume you're counting Stovall and Clayton as the other two young ones? (Serious, not sarcasm)
Priority #1 of the offseason, spend that caproom to bring in a real QB. Simms is signed to a reasonable contract to fight for the starting spot again, but he may be best served as a quality backup behind a real leader.
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If the rest of the team wasn't so bad, I wouldn't mind taking a run at Jeff Garcia as a "final piece" type deal. I really wanted him here two years ago or whenever that was that he went to Cleveland instead.
The Defense needs to be reworked. Ronde and Kelly are fine on the corners but the depth in the defensive backfield was just atrocious this year. The linebackers are just not fast enough anymore to effectively run Monte's scheme. Mr. Brooks needs to take on a coaching role while we bring in a fast rookie to replace him (still wish we had taken Ernie Sims last year.) Ruud should start in the middle and the SAM spot can be handled by Wilborn/Nece.
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Is Brian Kelly going to be back? I thought he was pretty much on his way out. Ruud has not looked all that good in the middle to me. Seems like the defense always plays better with Quarles in there. Maybe I'm crazy, though. My other thought is that the main problem isn't the linebackers, it's the d-line.
Maybe this draft will finally be the defensive-focused draft fans have been clamoring for. Gruden has his RB, WRs, TE, O-linemen and QB now it's time for Monte to re-tool as well.
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There are definitely a few holes on the defense. :bag: :pirate: :bag:
 
Not pretending to know more than a Bucs homer about this team, but I don't understand the Ruud hype :confused:

To me he seems adequate at best, Quarles is getting up there in age but why the hurry to replace him with a seemingly inferior player ?

 
gump said:
Punchie said:
gump said:
Local sports radio speculated that the Bucs were shopping Gruden for draft picks. I think it's ridiculous considering what coaching options are out there, but who knows.Isn't there something in place now that prohibits a trade like the one between the Bucs and Oakland for Gruden?
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Head coaches can still be traded for picks, assistant coaches cannot.PFT had some interesting speculation that Gruden may be traded to Baltimore since that team resembles the Bucs team he led to a SB (all defense no offense)
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Punchie - is there no restriction on which picks?
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per PFT, here's what an email from NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said regarding this: "Except for Head Coaches and High-Level Club Employees (club presidents, general managers, and persons with equivalent responsbility and authority), clubs are not permitted to exchange draft choices or cash for the release of individuals who are under contract to another organization"so it sure doesn't seem like there's a limit as to the type of draft picks.
 
Andrew said:
Yeah I would love to go get a red Calvin Johnson jersey. I assume you're counting Stovall and Clayton as the other two young ones? (Serious, not sarcasm)
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Those're the two I was referring to.
Is Brian Kelly going to be back? I thought he was pretty much on his way out. Ruud has not looked all that good in the middle to me. Seems like the defense always plays better with Quarles in there. Maybe I'm crazy, though. My other thought is that the main problem isn't the linebackers, it's the d-line.
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I'd just like to see what Ruud can do with a full year of starting, Quarles has played well, but he isn't fast enough to drop deep in coverage anymore to cover the deep middle zone, I think Ruud could do a much better job at that, and Ruud does appear to be a sure tackler.
 
It looks like our pick that we recieved for Booger will end up being the last pick in 2nd round. Should be interesting since we have an early one in the 3rd. We should be able to target a couple solid guys at te end of the 2nd-3rd. :thumbup:

I am glad the Buc's coaches get another shot at evaluating the rookies in the Senior Bowl. We need to get better at 2nd day picks, and this is a great way to get a first look.

 
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combine starts today -- when is the coinflip?
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That's a good question. There was some major confusion last year.Capella, do you particularly care either way if you win it or not? Browns don't seem like a likely destination for Calvin. Just wondering.
 
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massraider said:
Capella said:
combine starts today -- when is the coinflip?
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That's a good question. There was some major confusion last year.Capella, do you particularly care either way if you win it or not? Browns don't seem like a likely destination for Calvin. Just wondering.
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Coinflip is huge. I don't think Tampa fans are worried about Cleveland taking CJ, we're worried about Cleveland trading that pick to a team who does want him. I don't see him falling past #3, regardless of which team wins the flip, so Tampa really wants to win this one.
 
Punchie said:
massraider said:
Capella said:
combine starts today -- when is the coinflip?
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That's a good question. There was some major confusion last year.Capella, do you particularly care either way if you win it or not? Browns don't seem like a likely destination for Calvin. Just wondering.
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Coinflip is huge. I don't think Tampa fans are worried about Cleveland taking CJ, we're worried about Cleveland trading that pick to a team who does want him. I don't see him falling past #3, regardless of which team wins the flip, so Tampa really wants to win this one.
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Gotcha.
 
Punchie said:
massraider said:
Capella said:
combine starts today -- when is the coinflip?
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That's a good question. There was some major confusion last year.Capella, do you particularly care either way if you win it or not? Browns don't seem like a likely destination for Calvin. Just wondering.
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Coinflip is huge. I don't think Tampa fans are worried about Cleveland taking CJ, we're worried about Cleveland trading that pick to a team who does want him. I don't see him falling past #3, regardless of which team wins the flip, so Tampa really wants to win this one.
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:unsure: even though, I'm not completely sold on Cleveland trading that pick.You know when the flip is punchie?
 
If the Buc's win the coin flip I would recommend people try and buy low on TB offensive players between now and the draft. If they are in the top 3 they are almost guaranteed to get either Joe Thomas, or Calvin Johnson. As soon as people start putting TB as a lock for one of these in mock drafts, and the draft gets closer their price is sure to go up.

Things to consider,

Simms value with a blue chip LT or with Calvin Johnson & JG as targets.

Caddy's value with another 1st round O-line

Alex Smith is someone who should be targeted as well. He came on very strong towards the end of the year.

If the Buc's lose the toss they would be more likely to trade down and go D.

 
I was able to talk recently to an ex-player who now works with the Bucs and is involved with Player Evaluations.

He is dead-set against taking CJ.

He was adamant that the team needs lineman...offensive or defensive...and has enough talent now at WR.

His #1 (by far) was Thomas....#2 one of the DL's....a distant #5 was CJ.

I know Gruden does things his way...but I have to believe this guy was echoeing sentiments shared by others in the FO.

 
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I was able to talk recently to an ex-player who now works with the Bucs and is involved with Player Evaluations.He is dead-set against taking CJ.He was adamant that the team needs lineman...offensive or defensive...and has enough talent now at WR.His #1 (by far) was Thomas....#2 one of the DL's....a distant #5 was CJ.I know Gruden does things his way...but I have to believe this guy was echoeing sentiments shared by others in the FO.
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Interesting, but I can't buy into it. Joe Thomas would be huge, but I think most of us have simply given up on him being there @ #3. Plus, I'm still smarting from the draft-day trade that netted us Yatta (still remember jumping around excitedly when that trade happened *sigh*)CJ is exactly the type of player that the Bucs covet. They look for high-character 1st rounders (see Clayton/Caddy/Joseph), good blocking receivers and impact offensive players. CJ matches every criteria perfectly. worst possible draft outcome IMO, Oak takes CJ, Det takes Thomas, Cle takes Russell, TB takes Quinn *shudder*and Capella, I haven't a clue when the coin-flip is, you'd think the answer-guy at Bucs.com would've hunted it down by now.
 
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So is the NFL Network airing the coin flip?

Who gets to call said flip?

How many camera angles will there be and will there be slow-motion replay.

Questions...Questions :shrug:

-QG

 
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I thought the coinflip was today?God Bless having no offseason!
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They did it day 2 of the combine last year, but someone on PR posted a link to an Orlando Sentinal page that said it will be Friday. But, that was from last week, and I haven't heard anything out of PR or and Tampa news source.
 
The Bucs can keep loading up at the skills positions but until they address the OL in a big way they are going to be worthless. "Cadillac" has no holes to run through and with no running game the QB is going to take a beating as well the entire WR corp. Not going to be room for 2 seperate 1,000+ yd WR with no pass protection either.

The Bucs are high enough in the draft they should really think about moving up to grab Joe Thomas. I understand Calvin Johnson is a terrific prospect at WR but he's a luxury for a team that needs OL help. Good OL in the NFL makes average skill position players a lot better.

 
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The Bucs can keep loading up at the skills positions but until they address the OL in a big way they are going to be worthless. "Cadillac" has no holes to run through and with no running game the QB is going to take a beating as well the entire WR corp. Not going to be room for 2 seperate 1,000+ yd WR with no pass protection either.The Bucs are high enough in the draft they should really think about moving up to grab Joe Thomas. I understand Calvin Johnson is a terrific prospect at WR but he's a luxury for a team that needs OL help. Good OL in the NFL makes average skill position players a lot better.
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I have been saying that we should try and trade Simeon to Detroit to move up. He is going to leave anyways, so we might as well get something for him. Also, WR's aren't as rare as franchise OT's.
 
QUEZILLA said:
Ministry of Pain said:
The Bucs can keep loading up at the skills positions but until they address the OL in a big way they are going to be worthless. "Cadillac" has no holes to run through and with no running game the QB is going to take a beating as well the entire WR corp. Not going to be room for 2 seperate 1,000+ yd WR with no pass protection either.The Bucs are high enough in the draft they should really think about moving up to grab Joe Thomas. I understand Calvin Johnson is a terrific prospect at WR but he's a luxury for a team that needs OL help. Good OL in the NFL makes average skill position players a lot better.
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I have been saying that we should try and trade Simeon to Detroit to move up. He is going to leave anyways, so we might as well get something for him. Also, WR's aren't as rare as franchise OT's.
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Is Simeon going to leave now though? With all of the cap room we now have, and with the lack of potential FA names out there, isn't there a possibility we pay Simeon?
 
gump said:
QUEZILLA said:
Ministry of Pain said:
The Bucs can keep loading up at the skills positions but until they address the OL in a big way they are going to be worthless. "Cadillac" has no holes to run through and with no running game the QB is going to take a beating as well the entire WR corp. Not going to be room for 2 seperate 1,000+ yd WR with no pass protection either.

The Bucs are high enough in the draft they should really think about moving up to grab Joe Thomas. I understand Calvin Johnson is a terrific prospect at WR but he's a luxury for a team that needs OL help. Good OL in the NFL makes average skill position players a lot better.
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I have been saying that we should try and trade Simeon to Detroit to move up. He is going to leave anyways, so we might as well get something for him. Also, WR's aren't as rare as franchise OT's.
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Is Simeon going to leave now though? With all of the cap room we now have, and with the lack of potential FA names out there, isn't there a possibility we pay Simeon?
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IMO, the Buc's are sitting in a very favorable position with Rice. They can easily afford to pay him his final year, and likely won't be able to fill the void this year if he left. However, with many of the FA DE's being franchised his value has gone up. The Buc's are going to act like they love Rice, but if a 2nd or 3rd are offered for him SOLD!Oh, and it's official

THE COIN FLIP WILL TAKE PLACE FRIDAY

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