Donnybrook
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I can't blame AB for responding that way. I can blame him for responding to idiots on twitter.
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The ***OFFICIAL*** 2018 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (3 Viewers)
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
What have you seen from this defense that would allow you to relax? They’re a very bad defense. That’s been evident since Shazier’s injury. I think the odds of the wheels completely falling off this year are greater than the odds of them righting the ship. They’ll beat Tampa though.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Uh, the past 20 years of Steelers football. Their D is bad, no doubt, but the misconception always becomes that every other team in the NFL is somehow better or not dealing with the same stuff. They didn’t have Haden or Decastro yesterday which hurt both the secondary and the run game. The NFL season is partially about luck. I’m hoping this is the season everything breaks right on the injury front (i.e. no season long injuries). They have at least two capable pass rushers in Hayward and Watt (and depending on which way the wind blows Bud Dupree and Tuitt). They won’t be playing a QB that has a slingshot arm every week where it’s not only coming out at .02 seconds but also at 110 mph to WR’s and TE’s that get fantastic separation. The Bengals lead this division and I think they’re a bunch of smoke and mirrors. The Browns have been Browning (albeit partially against the Steelers) and the Ravens looked bad against Cincy. Certainly you like to see the team take hold early in the season with all cylinders firing but this division may not be that good which gives a little more leeway to what I think is the most talented team. They need to get it together, but I’ll wait to have panic if they go 0-2-1 to the Bucs. The NFL season is simultaneously long and short. I’m choosing to look at the long right now and think it will be ok, even if I would like Keith Butler to not be around next year.
irish eyes
Footballguy
I dont think they will beat Tampa, who just beat philly yesterday. Fitzpatrick has thrown for what, almost 900 yards in 2 games. No reason to think he won't light up the Steelers. They can't cover anyone and they dont have the players or coaches to turn it around. They are what they are, it's pretty bad at this point. I joked with people right before the season that they'd have to score 30 to 35 a game to win, that seems to low now.
Steeler
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
Hey, at least Juju looks like a star!
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Crowning achievement? Not sure I agree with that, considering the current mess, for lack of a better term, is happening on Tomlin's watch.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
It is two weeks. Something has looked off when it comes to defensive substitution and communication. Not sure if that is on the DC, position coaches, or players. We havr new guys and young guys in the positions making adjustments on the field mostly. The substitution issues, especially in cleveland I assume are DC fault unless the players were out of shape.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
That defense has not been able to replace Shazier so it has shown cracks dating back to last year.
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Dungy on Steelers defense: 'Tomlin needs to get that fixed'
They face a red-hot Fitzpatrick on the road on Monday Night next week.
The offense obviously is scoring without LeVeon and with teams scheming away AB but that defense is a sieve.
They lost Shazier and they haven't been able to replace him.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Maybe not but my point is this team appears to be spiraling out of control. There aren't too many coaches that don't go through periods like this. One of the hallmarks of a great coach is to be able to right the ship before it is too late. If he can turn things around it would be a testament to his coaching and leadership. If things continue to deteriorate then it will show the opposite.
We are only 2 games into the season so there is plenty of time but that defense sure looks to be badly broken. They are going on the road to face a red hot Tampa Bay team that just beat the defending Super Bowl champs. After that they face their biggest rival Baltimore Ravens.
If the Steelers crap the bed on those two games they will be 0-3-1. Not too many teams recover from a start like that.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Landry Jones working out for the Cowboys today. No reason he shouldn't be the #2 on that team.
Maybe. Maybe not. The Bengals focused on four things this offseason:Bojang0301 said:
1. Get pressure on the QB
2. Stop the run
3. Protect Dalton
4. Win the turnover battle by creating big plays on defense.
With the exception of winning the turnover battle in the Colts game (it was a tie), the Bengals have accomplished all four goals both games... and the other opponents for the Colts and ravens accomplished none of the four goals, except the Skins won the turnover battle versus the Colts.
Ravens versus Bills -117 yards rushing (3.4 avg), got 6 sacks, gave up 2 sacks; got 2 turnovers, gave 1
Ravens vs Bengals - 66 yards rushing (3.0 avg), got 0 sacks, gave up 4 sacks, got 0 turnovers, gave up 3
Colts versus Skins - 104 yards rushing (3.7 avg), got 3 sacks, gave up 1, got 1 TO gave up 2
Colts versus Bengals -- 75 yards rushing (3.4 avg), 2 sacks each way, 2 tos each way
So after 2 games Bengals opponents are rushing for 64% of the yards, getting 22% as many sacks (2 vs 9), giving up 100% more sacks (3 vs 6), and did worse in the TO battle (3 each way vs got 2 gave up 5).
Maybe smoke and mirrors, but quite a coincidence that this mirage marries up with their offseason priorities.
I have no idea how deep the Steelers struggles actually are. As folks have pointed out, they have pulled away from the brink of collapse many times in the past... and year in and year out it is a very safe prediction to say that the Bengals will fold, but maybe, just maybe, this year you might be wrong.
Full disclosure - lifelong Bengals fan who keeps going back for more KoolAid.
Final side note - the Bengals are half way through the four games they must play without their best linebacker and 2d best defender due to suspension.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think the Bengals are legit, at least more so than the Steelers. Though they are banged up in the backfield and Dalton can implode at any time.
One remark regarding the final note: I'm not sure that getting Burfict back is a good thing.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
It's probably too early to freak out, but with how our defense is playing even if the offense is great we can still lose games. 0-5-1 is not crazy going against a red hot tampa in tampa, the Ravens, the Falcons, and the Bengals. It's not looking great, but one good showing on Monday could 100% turn things around. Butler needs to turn things around quickly, but idk how he just fixed tackling issues.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Now Brown is disappearing, this team is a bunch of cry babies when they lose
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Tomlin's presser in a few minutes, maybe he can shed light on the situation. IF he went AWOL I think the Steelers need to deactivate him a game and let AB feel it in his pocket book though considering the importance of this game it would be a really bad time for that.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Ok, so this could be panic inducing. I’m hoping that this is excused and some kind of emergency.
He was clearly upset with something during the game as he was arguing with someone in the 3rd quarter I think. Then that stuff on Twitter where he basically said to trade him and let see how good the offense really is. I am hoping that he isn't pissed because JuJu got all the touches but with receivers who the hell knows.
Discipline has always been an issue with Tomlin teams and since the Jaguars playoff game it has been nothing but that lately.
Discipline has always been an issue with Tomlin teams and since the Jaguars playoff game it has been nothing but that lately.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Tomlin sidestepped the questions on AB and said he was going to talk to him today. He said he will handle this in-house.
One good note: Tomlin said they may be bringing in another punter.
One good note: Tomlin said they may be bringing in another punter.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Tomlin's press conferences make me vomit. No wonder there is no discipline, he doesn't seem to concerned with anything really. "Well, it's only 2 games, well it wasn't any one player, scheme, or play, well Jacksonville game was last year that has nothing to do with this year". Geesh, what a disaster this team is. I hadn't even heard brown didnt show up yesterday. Just unbelievable.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I have moved over into the greatly concerned column.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
If this becomes a big problem, I say ship AB to Buffalo and revoke Bell’s tag right before week 10. Let them enjoy the way the rest of the league works. I’m not sure when it became so bad to be a Steeler. They should maybe spend more time talking to Jerome Bettis and Hines Ward than James Harrison.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It's popcorn.irish eyes said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I share your frustration but you can't get rid of AB unless you are ready to bail on the 2018 season after only 2 games.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
And they won’t, but I’m not sure how you allow it. They allowed the Harrison antics to become a mess last year and now it’s carried over into this year. Eventually it needs to be cut out because it’s cancer.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think they have to deactivate AB for the Tampa Bay game, or at the very least sit him the 1st half. Brown is only concerned about stats so doing this may get through to him. If it doesn't then more drastic measures should be taken.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
irish eyes
Footballguy
The person responsible is Tomlin, and as most people say they won't fire him. Although I'm entirely sure why not. They've done nothing in 10 years, and apparently players can do whatever they feel like with ZERO repercussions.
Uncle CornCob
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
This organization doesn’t, and has never, made unilateral decisions. Ownership and management are just as blame worthy if there is an issue or if this becomes a bigger issue. They are extremely patient compared to the rest of the league. The last time something boiled over Santonio Holmes was quickly moved. I don’t think this is close to a boil over yet.
Uncle CornCob
Footballguy
I was never one to jump on Tomlin but I’m losing my patience with everything . Between Tomlins loose ship , the specials & Butler
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I should know better but I'll bite...
I am concerned that the team may be spiraling our of control too and maybe we are getting to the point where Tomlin has to go ..., but this statement is ridiculous.
In 10 years the Steelers have a 106-55-1 record and
7 years in the playoffs
5 AFC North Championships
3 times in AFC title games
2 AFC Championships
1 Super Bowl Championship
Aside from the Patriots who are in a league by themselves, there aren't a whole lot of the teams that have been more successful.
steelers1080
Footballguy
AB's agent put out a statement saying that a personal matter came up abruptly. "This is a non-story that has been blown out of proportion." That sums it up. AB missed some meetings and tweeted back at a person he knows personally, and apparently doesn't like. I'm not going to make more out of this than it warrants. He'll be on the field Monday and will help us beat the Bucs.
Fitzmagic ends this week. Then we ride our newfound momentum into a win against the Ravens, Falcons, and Bengals. Then we face off against the Browns in Pittsburgh and put a world of hurt on them. We destroy them so completely that Tyrod is benched for Baker the next game. The Steelers are going to show that their demise is vastly overblown.
Fitzmagic ends this week. Then we ride our newfound momentum into a win against the Ravens, Falcons, and Bengals. Then we face off against the Browns in Pittsburgh and put a world of hurt on them. We destroy them so completely that Tyrod is benched for Baker the next game. The Steelers are going to show that their demise is vastly overblown.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Buttonhook
Footballguy
I'm not so sure I'd blow this off yet. AB was clearly pissed at teammates and coaches on Sunday and didn't attempt to hide it on numerous occasions, then he posts "trade me," then he doesn't show up on Monday.
Where there's smoke there's fire...
steelers1080
Footballguy
Meh, he was just fired up, like Brady or Rivers. He's just a "diva" because he's a WR and not a QB. If Ben did the same thing we wouldn't be freaking out.
And his agent said he had a personal matter come up and that the trade tweet was just a response to someone he knows on twitter. The guy basically said he'd be nothing without Ben, and AB responded basically saying that he'd be awesome everywhere. People are making a ton out of some nonsense.
AB will be back in practice after their day off today.
When the going gets tough, teams need our support all the more, they don't need us turning on them and freaking out over every little thing. Reminds me of the Pats last year after they lost to KC.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
1at Browns Tie
2vs Chiefs Loss
3at Buccaneers Loss
4vs Ravens Loss
5vs Falcons Loss
6at Bengals Loss
7Bye
8vs Browns Win
9at Ravens Loss
10vs Panthers Loss
11at Jaguars Loss
12at Broncos Win
13vs Chargers Loss
14at Raiders Win
15vs Patriots Loss
16at Saints Loss
17vs Bengals Loss
My overreaction prediction for the rest of the season. 3-12-1 and a top 5 pick. The d is so bad its like the offense has to score on every drive or they have no shot.
2vs Chiefs Loss
3at Buccaneers Loss
4vs Ravens Loss
5vs Falcons Loss
6at Bengals Loss
7Bye
8vs Browns Win
9at Ravens Loss
10vs Panthers Loss
11at Jaguars Loss
12at Broncos Win
13vs Chargers Loss
14at Raiders Win
15vs Patriots Loss
16at Saints Loss
17vs Bengals Loss
My overreaction prediction for the rest of the season. 3-12-1 and a top 5 pick. The d is so bad its like the offense has to score on every drive or they have no shot.
Bracie Smathers
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Since Week 13 of last season (the same week Ryan Shazier was injured against the Bengals), the Steelers are just 1-7 against the spread.
Bracie Smathers
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bucksoh
Footballguy
ok I'll bite Since I consider Ben elite with an elite supporting cast let's just take a look at the rest of the elite qbs.
Aaron Rogers wins 100/ losses 59 with 8 playoff appearances 1 SB win. with barely a supporting cast.
Drew Brees 95wins 63 losses 5 playoff appearances with 1 SB win. All done with no defense and not even close to the weapons Ben has had.
When you have an Elite Qb they will get you automatically 7-8 wins with any coach, history has taught us this.
If Ben even had a serviceable coach we would be talking him up like Brady because he would have more SB Wins.
we win In spite/very little because of Tomlin. although did we win when he tried to tackle that player on the return if so I'll give him that w.
Bill Belicheck will go back to being a under 500 coach when Brady retires although Bill should be smart enough to retire because he should know history of football.
records might be a little off but people should get the point.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Philip Rivers proves your stud QB theory quite wrong. As does Peyton Manning, for that matter, who had 1 coach in Indy fired under his tenure (not counting the season he got injured) and another coach in Denver. Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. Steelers fans are quick to jump down Tomlin’s throat but it wasn’t that long ago they were also saying Cowher couldn’t win a SB because he was too conservative. Now, he’s still a hero for the team. Maybe Tomlin won’t win another SB, I don’t know. It’s hard to ####### do. Just because he has to go up against the buzz saw that is Bill Belichick every year does not mean he is easily replaceable. I’m just curious as to who you guys would want as a replacement if Tomlin was fired? I thought Matt Patricia was the coach to get this year and he looks completely lost. The year Hue got hired the sports news all called him the best hire of the offseason and Pederson a desperation get and a weak hire. I don’t remember people ranting and raving about how great the Sean McVay hire was. There is a reason the Steelers stick with Tomlin. Yes, he’s had some bad losses but over the long run it’s hard to disagree with his resume.
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