fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I'm just as big a Brady hater as anyone but Ben aint Brady. Don't compare the 2. Ben is a great QB and we are lucky that we've had him for all these years but Brady is in a separate tier.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I want a guy who gives us a chance to win a SuperBowl with a dynamic offense and a rapidly closing window. I don't know who that guy is but I just don't think it's Tomlin.
Yes maybe he's a good coach but I don't think he's good enough for the ultimate goal. 
bucksoh
Footballguy
never considered Philip rivers elite don't think he's ever been brought up top 5 in his entire career. you might want to go back and look at Peyton manning career w-l record again. cause your way off.
bucksoh
Footballguy
he's only in a separate tier because he has a competent coach, something I would ever accuse Tomlin of being.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
And what do you mean he has to go up against the buzz saw of Belichick every year? He's only faced Belichick once in the playoffs (and it was an embarrassing game plan)
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Neither of you guys even addessed my question. Who gives us a better chance? The playoffs are a crapshoot. And I am not way off about anything. This isn’t simple, but your #####es and gripes very much are.I want a guy who gives us a chance to win a SuperBowl with a dynamic offense and a rapidly closing window. I don't know who that guy is but I just don't think it's Tomlin.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Maybe replace him with someone who has a backbone. Bell skips walk through before playoff game against Jacksonville last year. All this social media bull sh@@ that continuously goes on. Steelers have won 3 playoff games in 8 years. That might be great for some franchises but with the roster they've had, its poor if you ask me.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
You keep reiterating that same question. I mentioned in my response that I have no idea who we would replace him with but I trust management would do a thorough job of finding a good replacement. Doesn’t mean we can’t criticize his work. What are things that seem to be a theme under Tomlin?
1. Play down to the level of the opponent (especially on the road)
2. Start off slow (indicator that the team might be a little unprepared)
3. Bad clock management (I concede that this is an issue with the majority of coaches)
I wonder what his record would be if he had even an average QB.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
If Tomlin sucks then why would you trust the management that hired him to find a good replacement?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Don’t try to use logic. Bunch of spoiled babies that have multiple decades of winning who get mad the season didn’t start as planned. Go be Browns fans and tell me how easy it is to find good coaching and good QB’s. We’re lucky to have the combo, wishing to see the effect of one without the other is stupid.
steelers1080
Footballguy
AB back in the building, because duh.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
When did I say Tomlin sucks? I just said that he’s not irreplaceable and management should keep all options open. I trust this management because of their long standing track record. I’m not even saying the Tomlin hire was a mistake. IMO his tenure has run its course.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I’m off it, sorry.fred_1_15301 said:
bucksoh
Footballguy
Thing is you could replace him with anyone and have the same if not better results. I would trade him for Hue and even he would do a better job. let's not act like the cupboard is bare. This team is loaded with the exception of ilb who they could acquire one but hey it's Tomlin so that's a no. any college coach could do better. I'll be in the minority and say he sucks don't believe me wait til Ben is gone.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Sorry if I took it wrong but your post sounded like you didn't think Tomlin was a good coach. Obviously anyone can be replaced but remember the management team that hired Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher and Mike Tomlin were all headed by Dan Rooney and he's gone now.
It seems like a lot of this turmoil is coming under Art II's watch so maybe the management is part of the problem.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
You'd replace him with a coach who's won 1 game in 2 seasons. That's just willful ignorance.
You think that just having Ben has elevated Tomlin to never having a losing season? How about Drew Brees? Most people consider him to be as good as Ben, if not better. A lot of people also consider Sean Payton to be an amazing coach. He's had 4 losing seasons in the last 6 years. Tomlin isn't perfect, but no coach is. If he has a losing season this year, then I'll join the call to search for a replacement.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
A lot of people act like the only thing keeping Ben from another ring is Tomlin. Ben has obviously been a top QB in the league during Tomlin's tenure but he has his fair share of clunkers.For instance, Ben was a big reason why Tomlin lost week one.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
One thing I'll say is that this year will be very telling. With how bad this defense is, he's going to have to do a phenomenal job to keep this team above water.
bucksoh
Footballguy
Hue has never had an elite Qb nor has he even cone close to the talent level. Put Tomlin on the Browns same. Results except they would be 0-3 this year. Brees has never had a defense. Not near the level of talented players. Put Tomlin on the saints and their best record would be 7-10. Once again cause an elite Qb will almost always win 7-8 games by themselves. Most of the Steelers fan cheered when they got rid of Lebeau, only me and some one else said it was a huge mistake. The talent is there on defense they just need a new DC and a new head coach.
Belicheck was laughed at cause he was a below average coach after he left the Browns. Amazing what one can do when You have even a good qb. You can dispute it but your the one showing ignorance. Give me the below average coach(hue) he would still be better than Tomlin. Don't believe look no further than the first game of the season. Even with inferior talent the Browns should have one. But you and others want to blame Ben where the fault should be directed at Tomlin.
But hey we'll go 7-9 or 8-8. This year and you'll still consider it a win cause will either be 500 or this will be Tomlins first losing team. I'm done talking about Tomlin everyone knows my views on him. Let's hope we at least beat the bucs. Also see you next year where I will be saying the same thing.
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bucksoh
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with the D except the crappy DC. They still have alot of talent. They'll finish top 10 barring unusual amount of injuries.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
When was the last time the Steelers ranked in the top 10 at the end of a season? I'm guessing Tomlin's sixth season.
bucksoh
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
Sorry, but there is no way in he@@ this sorry a@@ defense is even sniffing the top 10. You may actually see them finish bottom 3 to 5. It is NOT going to get better I hate to say. They're not getting different players, and these so called coaches have already proven they cant or won't change schemes.bucksoh said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree that this defense is bad and will in the bottom 3rd of the league at season's end. That said I do think they will change it up by simplifying because they have to. The secondary is very young and it was obvious they had no idea what they were doing last week.
I think you'll see an improvement on Monday but really it would be pretty difficult to play worse than they did against KC.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
If the Jets let HC Todd Bowles go, as goes the rumor about his job not being safe, we need to pounce! As fast as possible.
And wish Keith Butler well on his way out.
In Gods name I pray, amen.
And wish Keith Butler well on his way out.
In Gods name I pray, amen.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Burns may lose his starting job.
He's played in 34 games - 27 as a starter and has 4 career interceptions. IMO Burns is one of the players that often abandons his assignment and freelances.
https://triblive.com/sports/steelers/14105862-74/sensabaugh-could-replace-burns-at-cornerback-for-steelers-vs-tampa-bay
He's played in 34 games - 27 as a starter and has 4 career interceptions. IMO Burns is one of the players that often abandons his assignment and freelances.
https://triblive.com/sports/steelers/14105862-74/sensabaugh-could-replace-burns-at-cornerback-for-steelers-vs-tampa-bay
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
How does this even work? No team can negotiate a long term deal while he is under the tag. If the Steelers rescind the tag, they have no rights to him. They could INCREASE the franchise tag offer to whatever Bell and another team agree to for Y1 that fits under the Steelers cap for a day, with the Steelers taking back picks and players and cap space. Would you accept anything less than a 1st? Steelers may have the cap space next year to tag him again.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Ben turned the ball over 5 times by himself. Any time that a player turns the ball over 5 times, it's safe to give them some blame for the loss. Tomlin had 0 control over Ben's fumbles and picks.
Teams that are +5 in turnover differential are 132-4-1. Essentially, they win an overwhelming majority of the time. The Browns tied. What amazing coaching!
The reason we were happy to see Lebeau go was because his defense had gotten stale. They weren't pressuring the QB, ever. They were letting up massive amounts of points. And they looked just terrible whenever they went against top tier QBs. The current defense looks pretty terrible, but there is a direct correlation between our defense's performance and the loss of Ryan Shazier. It's hard to overstate how important he was in locking down the middle of the field, aka the area that Kelce dominated us.
I don't begrudge any fan calling for a coaching change, that's fine. But saying we'd be better off with one of the worst coaches in the NFL, or "any college coach"? C'mon.
Teams that are +5 in turnover differential are 132-4-1. Essentially, they win an overwhelming majority of the time. The Browns tied. What amazing coaching!
The reason we were happy to see Lebeau go was because his defense had gotten stale. They weren't pressuring the QB, ever. They were letting up massive amounts of points. And they looked just terrible whenever they went against top tier QBs. The current defense looks pretty terrible, but there is a direct correlation between our defense's performance and the loss of Ryan Shazier. It's hard to overstate how important he was in locking down the middle of the field, aka the area that Kelce dominated us.
I don't begrudge any fan calling for a coaching change, that's fine. But saying we'd be better off with one of the worst coaches in the NFL, or "any college coach"? C'mon.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The time to work out a trade was back in March thru mid-July, when it was still possible to sign him to a multi-year extention. Trading him now seems to be almost impossible for the reasons you laid out. To me Bell doesn't look like a player dying to get back on the field so I imagine it is going to take a pretty sizable increase to get him signed. Then you have to find another team to give up a player and/or draft picks AND pay Bell's large salary this year without the ability to lock him up to an extension.
The Steelers are stuck with the current situation until Bell reports, if he reports. They did not expect Bell to walk away from a guaranteed $14.5 million this season. They blew it but that is water under the bridge now and frankly the Steelers have bigger problems.
JuniorGong
Footballguy
Stormy turns down Ben the night after getting it on with Donald
https://www.abc15.com/news/national/stormy-daniels-says-she-was-terrified-of-steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger
https://www.abc15.com/news/national/stormy-daniels-says-she-was-terrified-of-steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger
Steeler
Footballguy
This is more appropriate for the Big Ben thread (if even there). Has nothing to do with the Steelers or their chances tonight.
Steeler
Footballguy
I'm a glass half full kind of guy so I'm hopeful for tonight.
I'm going to try to put as positive a spin on the Steelers first two games as I can. The Browns have a good defense and the Steelers only lost (lol, still feels like a loss) due to 6 turnovers and a missed Boswell FG in OT. The defense looked terrible last week but that KC offense is on a roll and they are destroying every defense they face.
As for tonight, the Steelers have the weapons to attack the TB secondary so they can score points (even with the injuries on the oline and bad road Ben). The defense simply (and obviously) needs to play better... supposedly they are going to simplify things so hopefully that helps. And tackling would be nice. We need a K. Mack type performance from TJ Watt. Also, Fitz is going to run out of his magic at some point, hopefully that is tonight.
I'm going to try to put as positive a spin on the Steelers first two games as I can. The Browns have a good defense and the Steelers only lost (lol, still feels like a loss) due to 6 turnovers and a missed Boswell FG in OT. The defense looked terrible last week but that KC offense is on a roll and they are destroying every defense they face.
As for tonight, the Steelers have the weapons to attack the TB secondary so they can score points (even with the injuries on the oline and bad road Ben). The defense simply (and obviously) needs to play better... supposedly they are going to simplify things so hopefully that helps. And tackling would be nice. We need a K. Mack type performance from TJ Watt. Also, Fitz is going to run out of his magic at some point, hopefully that is tonight.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am cautiously optimistic too. The Tampa Bay defense is pretty banged up so if the "prime time Ben" shows up tonight the Steelers should able to put up some points. The main concerns are the injuries to DeCastro and Gilbert (looks like neither are going to play) and "road-Ben" shows up.I'm a glass half full kind of guy so I'm hopeful for tonight.
I'm going to try to put as positive a spin on the Steelers first two games as I can. The Browns have a good defense and the Steelers only lost (lol, still feels like a loss) due to 6 turnovers and a missed Boswell FG in OT. The defense looked terrible last week but that KC offense is on a roll and they are destroying every defense they face.
As for tonight, the Steelers have the weapons to attack the TB secondary so they can score points (even with the injuries on the oline and bad road Ben). The defense simply (and obviously) needs to play better... supposedly they are going to simplify things so hopefully that helps. And tackling would be nice. We need a K. Mack type performance from TJ Watt. Also, Fitz is going to run out of his magic at some point, hopefully that is tonight.
I think the defense will play better although to be honest they couldn't look much worse than last week at KC. Haden coming back is a plus and I expect the Steelers to dumb-down the defense cause the DBs looked clueless in whatever zone defense they were running. Somehow they need to dial up some pressure on Fitz because they were unable to generate any on Mahomes.
ETA: It was nice to see the Bengals lose to keep the division tight. Hopefully the Steelers win and get into the thick of it.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
They’re on the road (usually not a good thing for this team) but I don’t think they will be caught overlooking the opponent tonight. I’m also cautiously optimistic (even despite Ben’s road track record of late). A loss tonight and I’m afraid to think what will happen to this season. They better not come out flat tonight.
steelers1080
Footballguy
If they come out flat and lose the game, the news is just going to get worse and worse. They really need a win to get the focus off them and onto another team like the Pats or Houston.
Penalties caused by being undisciplined CHECK
Soft middle by the defense leaving open holes CHECK
The complete inability to cover a tight end CHECK
But hey Vance McDonald bringing his big boy pants on that stiff arm and a great touchdown. But wait for it
Awful special teams CHECK
This ####### team
EDIT: Well not sure if it was the awful penalty on McCoy or the sack on FitzPatrick when they were driving again but the Steelers are in control now. Still unsure about this defense
Soft middle by the defense leaving open holes CHECK
The complete inability to cover a tight end CHECK
But hey Vance McDonald bringing his big boy pants on that stiff arm and a great touchdown. But wait for it
Awful special teams CHECK
This ####### team
EDIT: Well not sure if it was the awful penalty on McCoy or the sack on FitzPatrick when they were driving again but the Steelers are in control now. Still unsure about this defense
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Just about a complete revamp on defense is needed (starting with the coordinator). This last play where 3 or 4 defenders just stood there while the Tampa receiver got up and ran for a TD is one of the most embarrassing plays I've seen all year (and I've seen quite a few from this defense).
ETA - Call was reversed (rightfully so) but still an embarrassing play. I'll step off the ledge now.
ETA - Call was reversed (rightfully so) but still an embarrassing play. I'll step off the ledge now.
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Anybody that tells me that Tomlin has control of team after some of these selfish and childish 15 yard penalties like the one Heyward Bey just did is just a delusional homer. And I am so tired of this "oh well" look he has on his face. At least pretend that you are pissed off by this because the entire fan base is
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Defense makes me queasy. Turnovers in the first half salvaged this game but they are a very bad defense. The entire team is completely undisciplined. Nice win but I don't feel great about the prospects of this season.
steelers1080
Footballguy
We won! We tried to not win, but somehow failed. Juju still looks amazing.
Boswell, wtf. We have to start trying out kickers. He has the yips and we can't afford to keep missing gimme kicks. Somehow they have to imitate the pressure in practice, maybe by telling him that he could be fired if he misses, and make sure he still has the ability. Also, try a different holder. He looks so odd with his face 1 inch from the ball.
Boswell, wtf. We have to start trying out kickers. He has the yips and we can't afford to keep missing gimme kicks. Somehow they have to imitate the pressure in practice, maybe by telling him that he could be fired if he misses, and make sure he still has the ability. Also, try a different holder. He looks so odd with his face 1 inch from the ball.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Seems to be a 50/50 split of people picking the Steelers or Ravens to win. The argument for the Ravens seems to be that the Steelers almost let Tampa come back, and the Ravens are better than Tampa. I would argue that they're not, on offense at least. Joe does seem to have our number, but hopefully we can put up enough points against an injured D to keep control.
Prediction: Halftime Steelers 24 - Ravens 10. Final Steelers 34 - Ravens 31.
Prediction: Halftime Steelers 24 - Ravens 10. Final Steelers 34 - Ravens 31.
irish eyes
Footballguy
If anyone still wants ANY of this coaching staff around, I would just shake my head. Tomlin and this crew are a complete embarrassment.
ThaPenguin
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