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The ***OFFICIAL*** 2018 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (4 Viewers)
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steelers1080
Footballguy
I don't think that a 1st round pick for AB is outside the realm of possibility. There is a lot of bad press right now, but he's 1 year removed from being an NFL All-Pro, he was 11th in receiving yards while having a teammate that was 5th (partly because AB drew coverage), he lead the league in TD receptions, and he did this while being double or triple covered. His game isn't predicated on straight line speed, he should be able to compete at the very top level of the NFL for at least 4 more years. A quick look back through the years shows that many WRs with less talent than him were traded for 1 or 2 first round picks. It's possible that teams have seen some of those trades and decide that it's not worth it, but I think that the recent trade for Amari actually helps AB. Amari was traded for a 1st rounder, and immediately Dallas started to win games. Amari is much younger, but he has never shown the ability to be the top WR in the NFL, and his contract expires after 2019.
One of the most underrated bonuses of trading for AB is his very reasonable contract. It looks rough if you look at his Steelers contract, but much of that is because of restructuring in past years, that balloons his contract to $22 mil, $18 mil, and $19 mil for the next 3 years.
If a team trades for him his contract is $15 mil, $11 mil, $12.5 mil for the next 3 years, averaging $13 million each year. That's $2 million per year cheaper than Landry, and $3 million cheaper than Sammy Watkins and Brandin Cooks...
Also, I don't think that a top 5 pick is a pipe dream because I don't think it would be a top 5 pick for AB straight up. It would be moving from 20 to top 5. According to the draft chart that's the same as getting a mid-1st for AB which is reasonable to me.
One of the most underrated bonuses of trading for AB is his very reasonable contract. It looks rough if you look at his Steelers contract, but much of that is because of restructuring in past years, that balloons his contract to $22 mil, $18 mil, and $19 mil for the next 3 years.
If a team trades for him his contract is $15 mil, $11 mil, $12.5 mil for the next 3 years, averaging $13 million each year. That's $2 million per year cheaper than Landry, and $3 million cheaper than Sammy Watkins and Brandin Cooks...
Also, I don't think that a top 5 pick is a pipe dream because I don't think it would be a top 5 pick for AB straight up. It would be moving from 20 to top 5. According to the draft chart that's the same as getting a mid-1st for AB which is reasonable to me.
Buttonhook
Footballguy
All it takes is for one team to over-value AB. He's definitely got the talent to keep teams interested, even with his character issues. And with his contract price, I expect a bidding war between a few teams, which should result in someone's first round pick at the least.
While I'd be content with a first round pick, I'd be more excited if they traded AB straight-up for someone that can help us on DEF, like J Adams (NYJ).
While I'd be content with a first round pick, I'd be more excited if they traded AB straight-up for someone that can help us on DEF, like J Adams (NYJ).
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The other good thing about AB's contract for a prospective trade partner is there is zero cap space if you decide to part ways with him down the line. I am still not sure they'll get a number 1 for him, I am thinking more of a 2nd or possibly a 3rd and 5th.
The one thing I found really weird is AB posting a photo-shopped picture of him in a 49ers uniform. I am not sure I can think of a more disrespectful gesture to your current team than to show yourself in the uniform of another team. I think the Steelers have to move him.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Hopefully he learns to grow up with his new team. He's officially my most hated player in the league (and that includes Burfict).
steelers1080
Footballguy
I don't get how anyone can hate AB. Sure, he's acting like a child and an ###, but he played so hard for our team for so many years. Same with the people who no longer like James Harrison. These players worked their asses off for the team that we love, I will appreciate that forever. I don't like how things ended or seem to be ending, and I get that it's rubbing many people the wrong way, but are you really going to let that tarnish 8 years of greatness? That seems short sighted to me.
Most hated player in the league? He skipped practice.
He showed up on Sunday and tried to play, so he didn't voluntarily skip week 17. He might have known that he wouldn't be allowed to play, but at the same time he'd gotten away with a lot in the past so why would he expect that to change when they needed him.
He didn't knock out Steelers' players by intentionally injuring them, kick a girl in the face while she sat on the floor of a hallway, punch a girl so hard in the face that her cheek broke, punch and choke his pregnant girlfriend, or get arrested and then threaten to sexually assault the officers wife. Those are things that other active players have done, with the exception of Kareem Hunt, but who doesn't expect him to get signed at some point.
Is skipping practice really worse than that?
Most hated player in the league? He skipped practice.
He showed up on Sunday and tried to play, so he didn't voluntarily skip week 17. He might have known that he wouldn't be allowed to play, but at the same time he'd gotten away with a lot in the past so why would he expect that to change when they needed him.
He didn't knock out Steelers' players by intentionally injuring them, kick a girl in the face while she sat on the floor of a hallway, punch a girl so hard in the face that her cheek broke, punch and choke his pregnant girlfriend, or get arrested and then threaten to sexually assault the officers wife. Those are things that other active players have done, with the exception of Kareem Hunt, but who doesn't expect him to get signed at some point.
Is skipping practice really worse than that?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I don't hate AB but his actions led to a benching that could have caused the Steelers to lose a game with playoff implications. Don't tell me he showed up to play -- he basically went AWOL for three days before game day and then on Sunday morning had his agent call and tell the team he was playing. What kind of BS move is that?
Not returning calls from the team was a d-bag move and it's inexcusable. Posting a picture of himself in another uniform while still being a member of the Steelers is an unbelievable show of disrespect to the team and ownership. He is the one that is tarnishing his image, not us.
And don't get me started on Harrison. This guy has crapped on the team at every opportunity. I find it hard to like a person that does that.
They may have worked their butts off when they were here and that's great but they were paid handsomely for it. How about showing a little class and gratitude for the team and teammates that helped you do it?
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steelers1080
Footballguy
I do agree that it was a crap move what AB did the final week of the season, but I don't think that he thought he wouldn't be allowed to play week 17 (as delusional as that may be).
I also agree that it's not very classy to post stuff on social media with another team's jersey, or not return teammates' calls/texts, but I also think that people are being riled up over relatively small potatoes because it makes good sound bites. If this situation was really as crazy as ESPN and NFL Network made it out to be then Pouncey and Juju wouldn't be saying that they wanted AB back. When Harrison left the team, nobody was saying "Please bring him back! We all want him back!" They were all saying good riddance.
Maybe the drama is real and AB skipping 3 days of practice is unforgivable, but with how the team seems to be walking back on their brinkmanship, I suspect that it could be a situation where everyone got riled up and now cooler heads are starting to prevail. It's possible that this is an act to help the Steelers get better value on AB, it all remains to be seen.
Do I wish that Harrison and AB showed more class at what appears to be the end of their Steelers careers? Yes. But I won't let a couple bad weeks tarnish years of greatness. I wish every player was like Hines Ward, Brett Keisel, or Jerome Bettis, but I also understand that when you're dealing with athletes at the highest level there are often going to be some ridiculous egos.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Absolutely. This team hasn't had a stopper at CB of Peterson's quality since, like, Woodson (no offense, Ike).
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I think AB has been having some kind of mental breakdown over the last year.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Godsbrother
Footballguy
For a guy that wants traded so badly he is doing everything in his power to make him untradeable . What a dunce.
Steeler
Footballguy
It looks like these are the options the Steelers have with this AB situation:
Which brings #2 into play - it would really suck if they can only get a 5th rounder for him and they pull the trigger - so they may keep him because he's too valuable on the field to just give away. Then they would have to (i assume) try to reign him in more, which would probably backfire.
#3 is the worst option because the Steelers would obviously get nothing for one of the best WR in the game when he's on the field. And of course there's a high probability that he ends up in NE or BAL in this scenario.
#4 If they decide to keep him and his antics continue during the 2019 season - he doesn't communicate with management, doesn't show up for treatments/walk throughs / etc, or he becomes a locker room problem - what options do they have at that point? Sure, they could still trade or cut him after the season starts, but the negative for the Steelers mentioned above would still be the same. I guess the only other option would be to deactivate him and continue paying him if they don't want to cut or trade him during the season.
What a freaking mess - I hope AB can hold it together a bit longer and the Steelers can pull the trigger on a reasonable trade so this whole saga is behind them.
- Trade him for whatever draft pick they can get
- Keep him if they don't get what they feel is fair value
- Cut him outright
- ???
Which brings #2 into play - it would really suck if they can only get a 5th rounder for him and they pull the trigger - so they may keep him because he's too valuable on the field to just give away. Then they would have to (i assume) try to reign him in more, which would probably backfire.
#3 is the worst option because the Steelers would obviously get nothing for one of the best WR in the game when he's on the field. And of course there's a high probability that he ends up in NE or BAL in this scenario.
#4 If they decide to keep him and his antics continue during the 2019 season - he doesn't communicate with management, doesn't show up for treatments/walk throughs / etc, or he becomes a locker room problem - what options do they have at that point? Sure, they could still trade or cut him after the season starts, but the negative for the Steelers mentioned above would still be the same. I guess the only other option would be to deactivate him and continue paying him if they don't want to cut or trade him during the season.
What a freaking mess - I hope AB can hold it together a bit longer and the Steelers can pull the trigger on a reasonable trade so this whole saga is behind them.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree that option 1 is the most likely scenario. At one point I thought that a high #1 might be possible but now who knows? Considering they got a #3 for Martavis Bryant who had more issues than AB and not nearly the accomplishments on the field I think a 2nd or 3rd is most likely. Anything less than that then you gotta just keep him and hope for the best. If he acts up you can suspend and withhold pay. That might get him straightened out.
If there is any meat to the domestic abuse situation then option #3 might be the play. Nowadays wants a guy that abuses women on their team.
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Steeler
Footballguy
Could they do this? The last time I can recall someone being deactivated/suspended was K. Johnson by TB and IIRC he got paid in full. What mechanism could they use to not pay him if it plays out this way - conduct detrimental to the team?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I thought suspended players did not get paid but maybe that only pertains to league suspensions.
steelers1080
Footballguy
What if we could trade Antonio Brown to the Redskins for Ryan Kerrigan and a 2nd round pick (46)?
Kerrigan had 13 sacks last year, is 30, has 2 years left on his deal, and is a high character player. That would get AB to the NFC to a WR needy team and a team known for making deals. We'd get a solid player that is reaching the age tipping point and a solid pick (WRs reach the age apex later in their career than a pass rusher). We could cut Dupree and for $4 million get a huge upgrade in pass rushing ability and leadership.
Kerrigan had 13 sacks last year, is 30, has 2 years left on his deal, and is a high character player. That would get AB to the NFC to a WR needy team and a team known for making deals. We'd get a solid player that is reaching the age tipping point and a solid pick (WRs reach the age apex later in their career than a pass rusher). We could cut Dupree and for $4 million get a huge upgrade in pass rushing ability and leadership.
Steeler
Footballguy
Fiddles
Footballguy
Kazora posted this today.
Last five CBs the Steelers have drafted:
Cam Sutton
Brian Allen
Artie Burns
Senquez Golson
Doran Grant
Five career interceptions between them. Four of the five have started fewer than three games.
Allen, Golson, and Grant have combined to play two defensive snaps.
Last five CBs the Steelers have drafted:
Cam Sutton
Brian Allen
Artie Burns
Senquez Golson
Doran Grant
Five career interceptions between them. Four of the five have started fewer than three games.
Allen, Golson, and Grant have combined to play two defensive snaps.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Just saw a 49ers article saying that they should trade their 6th round pick for AB because he's 31 and probably won't be good for much longer. GTFO of here.
The 6th is ridiculous, but at his age (and with the issues leading to Pitt being willing to trade him), I think a 1st is almost as unlikely.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I don't, we got a 3rd for Martavis... anything is possible. But a 6th would be worst than what we got for Santonio Holmes in the midst of a pot suspension.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I guess AB just tweeted that it was time to move on and signed with #NewDemands
I am sorry but this guy is an absolute jagoff ... I kinda want the Steelers to hold onto him just so he doesn't get what h wants
I am sorry but this guy is an absolute jagoff ... I kinda want the Steelers to hold onto him just so he doesn't get what h wants
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I think they have to be ready to hold onto him and eat the cap space this year if they are not getting offers better than a 3rd round pick. UGH
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The question becomes whether or not you can afford to hold onto this knucklehead. He has become such a cancer that he needs to be gone, almost no matter what the cost. If they do trade him I REALLY hope it is with a team with a terrible offense and lousy QB.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I actually hope that they trade him and somehow keep Bell who can be more of a hybrid Wr-RB and allow the offense to get creative and run more.
irish eyes
Footballguy
That's what I alluded to in the brown thread. If the offers are that bad, hold onto him and deactivate him all season long.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
And the point you made that AB somehow thinks he isn't under contract was a good one. I think the Steelers need to remind him of that. AB is in no position to dictate anything.
Except that he will take his ball and go home. If that is the case we better hope James Washington in even 50% the level of him.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
If he doesn't report, he doesn't get paid or get the fame and glory that his ego craves.
For the average player I agree with. But as you saw with Leveon Bell, he didn't have to play a single down and his ego was MORE than craved with all his other BS. Plus unless AB is spending his money like water he is fine sitting out.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
It is a rebuild now that the Steelers have almost. They should make decisions with that in mind.
They will still compete with the team that they have because they are pretty good even without AB and Bell. Again, I would be open to keeping Bell and paying him as a hybrid WR/RB and trading AB for hopefully a #2 and a player? The Steelers can still make some noise with Ben and a mind towards a rebuild and be set up for another 5-10 years if they play this right. Other than KC and NE, who scares you in the AFC?
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Wingnut
Footballguy
The Browns? Also Houston, Indy, and the Chargers are pretty good. They might not scare Steeler fans but they're all probably gonna be in the hunt next season and could be dangerous in the playoffs.
The 3rd for Bryant was ridiculous. Oak has 3 firsts (I think) in 2019, so I guess it’s possible, but just because you had one team make a ####### trade doesn’t make another ####### trade likely.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Is it true that during his good bye tweet he was scheduled to be in court? Guy has lost his ####### mind. Good luck to whoever wants him.
Agreed, if I had to guess his level of financial stability I would guess poor.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Not sure if it was at the time he tweeted, but dip sh@@ missed his court date & apparently was convicted of reckless driving. Who is going to want this clown at this point.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Steelers are on their way down, and without Brown that offense will not be the same, just wait till they double Juju and make the other WRs beat them.
nightmare
Footballguy
The Steelers are very good at replacing WR's. It might not happen quickly, but it will happen.
I think V Macdonald is now a good buy low player.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
He wants to go to san fran, but no way they trade the #2 overall pick. Maybe they can get their second round this year and first or second next year?
Why would SF give that much for a player that is reportedly a behavioral problem, was a DNP in a must-win game, has said he wants to leave, and of whom the owner said he can’t see h8m being allowed back? Not to mention the domestic abuse reports (probably nothing will come of it, unless there’s more we don’t know yet)? He is a great WR, but he’s not a young guy any more, & his trade value has only been hurt by his, and Pitt’s comments and actions.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I would love that but it seems like a pipe dream. I would think any team trading for this head case has to be in complete win now mode. San Fran isn't that.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I have zero doubt that Tomlin has lost too much of the locker room at this point.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Why is it his fault AB is bipolar and Bell wants to reestablish the rb money market?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I actually think he may be suffering from CTE. AB was never a problem until that Burfict hit. He's been a trainwreck since...
Godsbrother
Footballguy
or maybe he's done a really good job of keeping a red hot pot from boiling over until this point. Unless you are in the locker room and behind the scenes there is really no way of knowing.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
His cap hit is the same with or without him and his replacement will likely be a rookie or already on the roster or a cheap reclamation. So hold out for value i say. And sign bell ....fred_1_15301 said:
steelers1080
Footballguy
A lot of people are bashing AB for his tweet thanking Steelers Nation, but it's entirely possible that the Steelers notified him that they have a trade in place that will be executed after the start of the new league season. We don't know that it's just AB being a diva and saying he wants out.
Everything with AB didn't start after the Burfict hit, teammates have been saying that he's late to meetings and acting like a diva WR ever since he got his 1st major payday.
The reason I brought up the Martavis trade for the 3rd was just to point out that if a severely troubled WR with some potential was traded for a 3rd (which was a complete steal), then it's realistic to think that AB could net a 3rd or better. He's a top 5 WR in the league with an excellent contract for the next 3 years. Millions cheaper than Sammy Watkins... He isn't helping his case with all the off the field issues and social media shenanigans, but he is still a highly valuable asset. Obviously, it remains to be seen what the Steelers will net if they do trade him, but I would be disappointed with anything less than a 2nd round pick. That said, I was extremely disappointed when we traded Santonio for just a 5th, even with his pending suspension.
This offseason is going to be a lot more colorful than usual, and it will be interesting to see how things play out. There's a lot of potential here to improve the team as a whole, but improving the team while losing two stars will be tough.
Everything with AB didn't start after the Burfict hit, teammates have been saying that he's late to meetings and acting like a diva WR ever since he got his 1st major payday.
The reason I brought up the Martavis trade for the 3rd was just to point out that if a severely troubled WR with some potential was traded for a 3rd (which was a complete steal), then it's realistic to think that AB could net a 3rd or better. He's a top 5 WR in the league with an excellent contract for the next 3 years. Millions cheaper than Sammy Watkins... He isn't helping his case with all the off the field issues and social media shenanigans, but he is still a highly valuable asset. Obviously, it remains to be seen what the Steelers will net if they do trade him, but I would be disappointed with anything less than a 2nd round pick. That said, I was extremely disappointed when we traded Santonio for just a 5th, even with his pending suspension.
This offseason is going to be a lot more colorful than usual, and it will be interesting to see how things play out. There's a lot of potential here to improve the team as a whole, but improving the team while losing two stars will be tough.
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