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The ***OFFICIAL*** 2018 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)

I probably don't want to lose a 2nd rounder next year but if Devin Bush is the kind of beast we think he is then it will be more than worth it.   We need a corner but we definitely need a Ryan Shazier replacement

Also thank god someone told the Steelers that yes you can actually make moves on the first couple rounds of the draft.  Seriously when was the last time they traded up for a first or 2nd?

 
hammerva said:
I probably don't want to lose a 2nd rounder next year but if Devin Bush is the kind of beast we think he is then it will be more than worth it.   We need a corner but we definitely need a Ryan Shazier replacement

Also thank god someone told the Steelers that yes you can actually make moves on the first couple rounds of the draft.  Seriously when was the last time they traded up for a first or 2nd?
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Troy?

 
I'm good with the trade to move up, he's exactly what was needed plus added bonus of stepping in front of division foe to get him.

But also found myself getting angry at AB again because that deal with the Bills would have given them pick 9.

 
I get the thought process. I can’t be overly critical. Playing with a bit of house money having the Raiders early 3rd and the Bell comp pick next year.

 
The only way Sweat was making it down to #20 was something bad that caused his stock to drop.  Maybe you can have traded less to move up around 15 area but if you are going to trade up for a LB definitely go with Bush

 
hammerva said:
The only way Sweat was making it down to #20 was something bad that caused his stock to drop.  Maybe you can have traded less to move up around 15 area but if you are going to trade up for a LB definitely go with Bush
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Doesn't he have a heart condition and off field concerns?

 
Bojang0301 said:
I get the thought process. I can’t be overly critical. Playing with a bit of house money having the Raiders early 3rd and the Bell comp pick next year.
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Could move that 3rd and a sixth to get back into the 2nd maybe if someone is there they want. 

And again, getting a 3rd comp for Bell makes that 3rd expendable as well. 

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Could move that 3rd and a sixth to get back into the 2nd maybe if someone is there they want. 

And again, getting a 3rd comp for Bell makes that 3rd expendable as well. 
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Remaining picks. Only thing that hurts some is needing some sort of CB help. I know Nelson is supposed to be that but seemed to me most consensus was he’s an average CB. I’m not good at CB eval, so I abstain from any opinion. 

 
bucksoh said:
Stupid to trade up for an ilb can get them anywhere in the draft.  M. Sweat should have been the pick.  Xxxx dumbxxxxs!  Too much to give for an ilb.  
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There is a massive drop off after Devin Bush to the next LB.   Bush is a future All-Pro 

 
I agree but ilb are a dime a dozen.  They are the rb of defense stupid trade!

 
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Cannot believe not a single one of you have mentioned how boss Mean Joe's suit was yet.  Philistines.  (Bush's....outfit?....was also, I guess I'd call it interesting.)

Even if Bush completely tanks, this was the guy from this crop that they needed and it was worth making the attempt to ensure they landed him.  Over and above any of the CBs, even though I like a few of them too, Bush is basically a tailor made fit for what they lost when Shazier got hurt.  Rather see them do this than stand pat and wind up reaching for a late 2nd/early 3rd round talent at 20.

 
hammerva said:
The only way Sweat was making it down to #20 was something bad that caused his stock to drop.  Maybe you can have traded less to move up around 15 area but if you are going to trade up for a LB definitely go with Bush
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Sweat just went 26th to the Redskins

 
I'm happy with how things turned out. I didn't like any mock that had us taking a CB in the first, and while Sweat could be good, he does have flaws in his game and a potential heart condition.  A 2nd and future 3rd are a lot, but it could have been worse. Also, having the high 3rd and Lev's comp next year helps make up for that. I'm hoping that either some great players fall to us, or we use some of the later picks to jump up into the 2nd or move up in the 3rd.

I'm hoping for a WR and CB with our next 2 picks, preferably AJ Brown or Kelvin Harmon, and Greedy or Byron or Justin Layne or Rock or Lonnie Johnson. I think it's likely that Kelvin and Lonnie or Layne falls to our picks. 

Bush is a beast, the best player on a great defense, Jim Harbaugh's favorite player, and the outright leader. He'll be the QB of our defense for years and be a solid replacement for Shazier. 

 
I think this was a pretty sound deal assuming Bush is what he's touted to be. The Steelers probably looked at their 3rd from Oakland as essentially a late 2nd. So, in their minds at least, they received a top linebacker and essentially still have two day 2 picks in a draft that holds a lot of talent in those rounds.  Of course, if they still feel the need, they have enough late round picks to try and move up further. :towelwave:

Colbert

 
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Godsbrother said:
Really?   Considering they have that high #3 they essentially still have a 2nd plus they should get back a #3 next year with a compensatory pick.   I thought it was a GREAT trade,
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Great is a stretch. I think it was a good move but an impatient one and one made out of fear and uncertainty. I like that they didn’t attach themselves to Barron or Williams as a long term answer but I think for all the talk about the top two LB’s athleticism there are certainly other highly athletic ILB’s in this draft. Especially considering he will probably be rotating in and not heavily relied upon year one. The corners, Sweat, Tillery, Fant, all the WR’s and some solid OT’s were there at 20. They didn’t need to be hell bent on replacing Shazier even if it’s still been a sore spot.

 
Bojang0301 said:
Great is a stretch. I think it was a good move but an impatient one and one made out of fear and uncertainty. I like that they didn’t attach themselves to Barron or Williams as a long term answer but I think for all the talk about the top two LB’s athleticism there are certainly other highly athletic ILB’s in this draft. Especially considering he will probably be rotating in and not heavily relied upon year one. The corners, Sweat, Tillery, Fant, all the WR’s and some solid OT’s were there at 20. They didn’t need to be hell bent on replacing Shazier even if it’s still been a sore spot.
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I like Bush over the players you mentioned and it was the position of greatest need.   It also came at a very affordable price.  We will just have to agree to disagree

 
I wouldn't have traded our 20th and Antonio Brown for Devin Bush and a 5th, but we essentially did that plus a little.

I like Bush.  I hope he's what we need to lock down the middle.

But we have more needs than just ILB.  I feel like we are sacrificing a position player by giving up that second.  I'm guessing it's the Edge guy.

 
Idiot Boxer said:
I wouldn't have traded our 20th and Antonio Brown for Devin Bush and a 5th, but we essentially did that plus a little.

I like Bush.  I hope he's what we need to lock down the middle.

But we have more needs than just ILB.  I feel like we are sacrificing a position player by giving up that second.  I'm guessing it's the Edge guy.
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That's an odd way of looking at it.  Keeping Antonio Brown was not an option and they still have 8 picks.  

 
Godsbrother said:
That's an odd way of looking at it.  Keeping Antonio Brown was not an option and they still have 8 picks.  
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It's early to judge the trade.  We'll have a better idea after the weekend and a better idea still in a few years.  

10 picks with four in the top three rounds is significantly different than 9 picks with three in the top 3.  

In round three, we have two picks.  If we pick up a CB and a WR, we're leaving an EDGE player until later...maybe you find a diamond in the rough or maybe you like DuPree, but you're giving up on someone like Winovich.  

So, yes, I feel like it was a little high of a price, but not outrageously so.  And if Bush is as good as we hope he is, it will have been worth it.

 
Idiot Boxer said:
It's early to judge the trade.  We'll have a better idea after the weekend and a better idea still in a few years.  

10 picks with four in the top three rounds is significantly different than 9 picks with three in the top 3.  

In round three, we have two picks.  If we pick up a CB and a WR, we're leaving an EDGE player until later...maybe you find a diamond in the rough or maybe you like DuPree, but you're giving up on someone like Winovich.  

So, yes, I feel like it was a little high of a price, but not outrageously so.  And if Bush is as good as we hope he is, it will have been worth it.
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We won't know how any of these picks turn out for a while.  For now all we can do is evaluate what they gave up to move into the top 10 to get him.  Giving up a mid #2 and next year's #3 to move up 10 spots was pretty good, especially when you still have 8 picks to play with.

To me the AB thing doesn't come into play at all -- that's been water under the bridge for more than a month

 
Jeremy Fowler‏Verified account @JFowlerESPN

One AFC exec told me Devin Bush was his second-best player in the draft behind Kyler Murray. Steelers aren't simply filling a need. They are getting one of the better overall players in the field. He has 4.4 speed and loves to hit.

 
Godsbrother said:
We won't know how any of these picks turn out for a while.  For now all we can do is evaluate what they gave up to move into the top 10 to get him.  Giving up a mid #2 and next year's #3 to move up 10 spots was pretty good, especially when you still have 8 picks to play with.

To me the AB thing doesn't come into play at all -- that's been water under the bridge for more than a month
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Which is why I don’t think trading up can ever be called great. I trust the Steelers and Colbert. They’ve had their misses but they’ve rarely come at LB and even more rare on a move up in the first. That doesn’t mean they aren’t negating value. Though I will say, I appreciate that they were the ones that set the price if they made the move. Most teams (like the Saints in ‘18) get the crap kicked out of them when there is a perception there is only one strong tier at a position of need.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
So what do the draft charts say about moving into the middle of round 2 to get a guy like AJ Brown?
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"Jimmy Johnson chart" says both 3rd round picks move you to #15 in the 2nd round. "Chase Stuart chart" says the Steelers' own pick in the 3rd plus their 4th roudn pick does it.

 
Definitely would not give up both 3rds to move up...and based on Colbert/Tomlin's talk about having 2 day 2 picks, neither would they.  Particularly when the WR class is this deep.

Not sure why you move up to get Brown when you can stand pat and get Campbell or Boykin or Ridley or Butler or...

Probably the only guy I move up for is Deebo, and then only with the 3/4 Chase Stuart chart model.

 
Franknbeans said:
Jeremy Fowler‏Verified account @JFowlerESPN

One AFC exec told me Devin Bush was his second-best player in the draft behind Kyler Murray. Steelers aren't simply filling a need. They are getting one of the better overall players in the field. He has 4.4 speed and loves to hit.
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Kevin Colbert is an AFC exec....

 
Bojang0301 said:
Great is a stretch. I think it was a good move but an impatient one and one made out of fear and uncertainty. I like that they didn’t attach themselves to Barron or Williams as a long term answer but I think for all the talk about the top two LB’s athleticism there are certainly other highly athletic ILB’s in this draft. Especially considering he will probably be rotating in and not heavily relied upon year one. The corners, Sweat, Tillery, Fant, all the WR’s and some solid OT’s were there at 20. They didn’t need to be hell bent on replacing Shazier even if it’s still been a sore spot.
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No thanks on any of the cb, sweat, OT or tillery at 20. If they wouldn't have traded to 10, the broncos could have a taken Fant there. Without that trade you don't know how the round goes and who ends up being there at 20. Butterfly effect.

since they traded up to get him, I could see him stating from day 1 ( if they think he is ready) and playing a huge role

 
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My guess at how many of each position get drafted in round two -

CB 5

S 5

Edge 5

DL 3

C 2

G 2

T 3

TE 2

RB 3

QB 2

In round 3 here's some  players that could/should be still on the board  at positions the Steelers have strong interest in

WR  -- Hardman, Ridley, Mc Laurin, Hardman, JJ Arcega-Whteside, Boykin, Hall   

CB -- Bunting, Love, Oruwariye, Long,  Lonnie Johnson

S -- Hooker

LB -- Okereke, Pratt

 
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