**The Official I Hate Mike Martz Thread** (1 Viewer)

[sleeveofwizard]

Is there already a thread out there for this guy? This guy is a legend in his own mind. Why do you give the ball to your FB with 4 seconds left? 99% of other NFL coaches give it to their best player. That guy might be Gore.

With that said, the onus is on Singletary for not overriding that play with the quickness. He should know the personnel and realize his o-line is soft. I respect that he wants to impose his will at the 2 yard line but you can't make orange juice from apples. Motivation is great, but knowing your X's and O's is just as important. I don't want Singletary or Martz back next year. I'm pissed.

 

[pats3in4]

Don't forget that they had extra time to call that play since the refs were reviewing the Gore play immediately prior.

 

[cj*]

 

[[scooter]]

Maybe you should rename the thread to "The Official I-Lost-By-One-Point Thread".

BTW, I play in a league where you get a 10 point bonus at 100 yards. Gore's last play ended up costing one guy 11 points and a win. :(

 

[sleeveofwizard]

Maybe you should rename the thread to "The Official I-Lost-By-One-Point Thread". BTW, I play in a league where you get a 10 point bonus at 100 yards. Gore's last play ended up costing one guy 11 points and a win. :(

Actually this thread has nothing to do with fantasy. I won this week too fwiw. I'm a fan of the game, first and foremost and SF is my team. Just venting.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Maybe you should rename the thread to "The Official I-Lost-By-One-Point Thread".

BTW, I play in a league where you get a 10 point bonus at 100 yards. Gore's last play ended up costing one guy 11 points and a win. :(

Actually this thread has nothing to do with fantasy. I won this week too fwiw. I'm a fan of the game, first and foremost and SF is my team. Just venting.

T&P

 

[Dragon1952]

San Francisco had been pounding it for 3 or 4 yds a pop all night. Unbelievable that the Cards could stop them down there like that. I thought is was all over but the singing when they got to the 1. I think the 49ers thought it was in the bag too, which is why they let all that time run off. They didn't want to leave Arizona any time. Boy, did that backfire. If Gore hadn't slipped on that cut it was any easy TD. It sure wasn't the contact that knocked him down.

 

[Sweetness_34]

San Fran wasted 20 secs before the 1st spike. That was dumb. They should have given themselves 3 full chances to score. Spread them out and run Gore up the middle. Gore an make one defender miss with a cut anyways.

 

[[scooter]]

San Fran wasted 20 secs before the 1st spike. That was dumb. They should have given themselves 3 full chances to score. Spread them out and run Gore up the middle. Gore an make one defender miss with a cut anyways.

Why even spike the ball at all when you're on the 1 yard line with 40 seconds left in the game? You could take all the time you need and run 4 straight running plays if you wanted to. They just wasted a down.

 

[JSH21]

The whole #######g 45 seconds after the 1st down was a complete nightmare. 25 seconds to spike a ball?? 2 run plays? Ridiculous...might be the worst clock management I've EVER seen. Hell with 45 seconds I wouldn't of even wasted a down spiking it once...run up to the line and run 4 pass plays in a row.

And Singletary trying to distance himself from the last play call is a joke and completely cowardly. With the last play being challenged, he had a TON of time to overrule that ######ed ### dive play, but didn't. Singletary is a goofy looking #######.

 

[burd]

who did Martz think he was fooling on that play? receivers were lined up tight to the O-line .... it was an obvious running play regardless of whether is was Gore or the FB. Did you see how every Card was crowded at the line? This was a perfect opprotunity for a VDavis rollout to either side. Too bad ... the Niners (Shaun Hill especially) showed a lot of heart in the 4th Q on the road .... Martz totally screwed them out of a victory that they could've rightfully earned.

 

[ActionHero]

Pretty horrid clock management / play calling all around. The only comforting thing I can say as a Vikings fan is that if Childress was your coach, he would've taken Gore out to "fool the other team", and then still tried to run it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

The first spike took 25 seconds from the time Jason Hill was downed because they were trying to get the goal line package players on the field. Obviously, why not spike it and then run those guys out there?

Did Singletary explain that last play in his presser? I didn't hear him get into the spefics but I only caught half of it. I can only assume they called the dive play when it was 3 and 1 while they replaying the Gore sweep. So in reviewing the play, they determine the ball should be at the 2.5 tard line. The way they run those replays, the 49ers were painted in a corner:

'After reviewing the play'

respot ball

you're out of timeouts

blow the whislte to finish running off the play clock

Not making excuses for Singletary - Martz does still report to the HC, correct, not the other way around? - but when you break it down, you'd have to say the coaching staff choked, and didn't give their players a chance to succeed.

 

[Osaurus]

So did Samurai Mike address Martz with pants down after the game?

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Not just that but with 4 secs left, a pass play may leave you time on the clock for one more play if you don't make it on 3rd down.

 

[FantasyTrader]

As a Gore owner I put the loss on him. Fact remains, all you had to do is not trip over your own feet as you slip off left tackle and it's over. I agree, poor clock mgmt. But saying the 9er's team did everything they needed to and the coaching staff stole this win from them is disingenuous.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Maybe you should rename the thread to "The Official I-Lost-By-One-Point Thread".

I lost by two with Gore in the line-up.

 

[p00h]

San Fran wasted 20 secs before the 1st spike. That was dumb. They should have given themselves 3 full chances to score. Spread them out and run Gore up the middle. Gore an make one defender miss with a cut anyways.

Why even spike the ball at all when you're on the 1 yard line with 40 seconds left in the game? You could take all the time you need and run 4 straight running plays if you wanted to. They just wasted a down.

Not the brightest brady in the bunch are you. 4 straight running plays with 40 seconds?!?

 

[yellowdog]

Who would've thought we would be #####ing at Martz for calling a run play?

 

[thehornet]

It's not Martz that is the problem - it's Singletary

Tough play calling all day. Martz and Singletary have complete diffferent offensive strategies. It's not going tobe pretty for the rest of the year. Singletary wants a smash mouth run game but his line isnt good enough for it. He kept trying to smash gore into the pile and there was nowhere to go. Good way for Gore to get hurt too. Martz is more dynamic and knows how to get Gore in a postion to be a playmaker and in the open (as he should be used). One if not both coaches will be gone by the end of the year. My bets on Singletary being gone. They dont mesh well. This also hurts Gore's value for the rest of the year unless Single lets Martz run the offense the way he wants too. Personally, i think Singletary should just shut his mouth because the offense wasnt very good last night except for a couple late drives.

 

[TommyGilmore]

San Fran wasted 20 secs before the 1st spike. That was dumb. They should have given themselves 3 full chances to score. Spread them out and run Gore up the middle. Gore an make one defender miss with a cut anyways.

Why even spike the ball at all when you're on the 1 yard line with 40 seconds left in the game? You could take all the time you need and run 4 straight running plays if you wanted to. They just wasted a down.

Not the brightest brady in the bunch are you. 4 straight running plays with 40 seconds?!?

It's possible if you average 13 seconds per play.

 

[Da Guru]

It was a horrible sequence of play for the Niners. Why did they waste so much time before the first spike?? They could have had second and goal with over 20 seconds on the clock..enough for 3 pass plays to the EZ.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

If they pass instead of run, they can run at least 3 plays and have the possibility of a mobile QB running it in.

Running twice was stupid.

 

[FantasyTrader]

If they pass instead of run, they can run at least 3 plays and have the possibility of a mobile QB running it in.Running twice was stupid.

I hear ya, but with some of the decisions the QB was making with the ball - was that REALLY a better option than running? Think about it. If they call three straight pass plays and it gets INT'd or they don't score, we're all in this same thread screaming, "You have Frank Gore and you're at the one yard line!? Three straight pass plays!?!" Tell me I'm lying.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

If they pass instead of run, they can run at least 3 plays and have the possibility of a mobile QB running it in.Running twice was stupid.

I hear ya, but with some of the decisions the QB was making with the ball - was that REALLY a better option than running? Think about it. If they call three straight pass plays and it gets INT'd or they don't score, we're all in this same thread screaming, "You have Frank Gore and you're at the one yard line!? Three straight pass plays!?!" Tell me I'm lying.

That's definitely a concern.I'm thinking roll Hill out to the right and only throw it if it's safe (or run it in).

 

[FantasyTrader]

If they pass instead of run, they can run at least 3 plays and have the possibility of a mobile QB running it in.Running twice was stupid.

I hear ya, but with some of the decisions the QB was making with the ball - was that REALLY a better option than running? Think about it. If they call three straight pass plays and it gets INT'd or they don't score, we're all in this same thread screaming, "You have Frank Gore and you're at the one yard line!? Three straight pass plays!?!" Tell me I'm lying.

That's definitely a concern.I'm thinking roll Hill out to the right and only throw it if it's safe (or run it in).

There ya go, that I agree with. Roll him out - get him out of the pocket on a run/pass option. That would have been a very good call.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Martz is one of the most overrated coaches / off cordinators of all time. The genius label is laughable.

 

[Beef Ravioli]

Maybe you should rename the thread to "The Official I-Lost-By-One-Point Thread".

I lost by two with Gore in the line-up.

I won by 6 points - it was me that knocked him over last night. You guys didn't know this, but i was tipping my TV to the right as I saw him break to the outside. It saved the game for me, as that would have been a 7 point play for my opponent.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Maybe you should rename the thread to "The Official I-Lost-By-One-Point Thread".

I lost by two with Gore in the line-up.

I won by 6 points - it was me that knocked him over last night. You guys didn't know this, but i was tipping my TV to the right as I saw him break to the outside. It saved the game for me, as that would have been a 7 point play for my opponent.

Jerk.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Maybe you should rename the thread to "The Official I-Lost-By-One-Point Thread".

I lost by two with Gore in the line-up. :(

I won by 6 points - it was me that knocked him over last night. You guys didn't know this, but i was tipping my TV to the right as I saw him break to the outside. It saved the game for me, as that would have been a 7 point play for my opponent.

 

[J R]

It's not Martz that is the problem - it's SingletaryTough play calling all day. Martz and Singletary have complete diffferent offensive strategies. It's not going tobe pretty for the rest of the year. Singletary wants a smash mouth run game but his line isnt good enough for it. He kept trying to smash gore into the pile and there was nowhere to go. Good way for Gore to get hurt too. Martz is more dynamic and knows how to get Gore in a postion to be a playmaker and in the open (as he should be used). One if not both coaches will be gone by the end of the year. My bets on Singletary being gone. They dont mesh well. This also hurts Gore's value for the rest of the year unless Single lets Martz run the offense the way he wants too. Personally, i think Singletary should just shut his mouth because the offense wasnt very good last night except for a couple late drives.

These so-called sharks think the same coach who they rip on in countless other threads for passing too often really wanted to run the ball on that goal-line series? I find it hard to believe myself. Martz may have called the specific play, but I would not be surprised if Singletary wanted him or ordered him to run it. As for wasting time getting a spike, :20 is plenty of time to get off 3-4 pass plays from the 2. The mistake was in running the ball at all. In almost any game you see on TV with this situation, the announcers inform us that they can't run the ball because they have no timeouts.

 

[J R]

Martz is one of the most overrated coaches / off cordinators of all time. The genius label is laughable.

Martz was the one coaching the team with Shaun Hill, Jason Hill, Josh Morgan, etc., and it was the other team with Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. I'm no scout, but I noticed a talent disparity there.And who calls Martz a genius anyway? Your strawman?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Martz is one of the most overrated coaches / off cordinators of all time. The genius label is laughable.

Martz was the one coaching the team with Shaun Hill, Jason Hill, Josh Morgan, etc., and it was the other team with Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. I'm no scout, but I noticed a talent disparity there.And who calls Martz a genius anyway? Your strawman?

Well, it's been all over televison and message forums for a few years now. Have you not been paying attention?

 

[thehornet]

Martz is one of the most overrated coaches / off cordinators of all time. The genius label is laughable.

Martz was the one coaching the team with Shaun Hill, Jason Hill, Josh Morgan, etc., and it was the other team with Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. I'm no scout, but I noticed a talent disparity there.And who calls Martz a genius anyway? Your strawman?

Well, it's been all over televison and message forums for a few years now. Have you not been paying attention?

he's known for having an innovative offensive mind. some weould call it unmatched. I think i would agree on some levels. talent helps too But you certainly couldn't see it on monday night.

 

[LILB811]

Martz is one of the most overrated coaches / off cordinators of all time. The genius label is laughable.

Martz was the one coaching the team with Shaun Hill, Jason Hill, Josh Morgan, etc., and it was the other team with Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. I'm no scout, but I noticed a talent disparity there.And who calls Martz a genius anyway? Your strawman?

Well, it's been all over televison and message forums for a few years now. Have you not been paying attention?

His moniker is actually "The Mad Genius". Take that for what it's worth.

 

[drummer]

It's not Martz that is the problem - it's Singletary

Tough play calling all day. Martz and Singletary have complete diffferent offensive strategies. It's not going tobe pretty for the rest of the year. Singletary wants a smash mouth run game but his line isnt good enough for it. He kept trying to smash gore into the pile and there was nowhere to go. Good way for Gore to get hurt too. Martz is more dynamic and knows how to get Gore in a postion to be a playmaker and in the open (as he should be used). One if not both coaches will be gone by the end of the year. My bets on Singletary being gone. They dont mesh well. This also hurts Gore's value for the rest of the year unless Single lets Martz run the offense the way he wants too. Personally, i think Singletary should just shut his mouth because the offense wasnt very good last night except for a couple late drives.

Scot McGlouhan, the 49er's GM, didn't want Martz to begin with. Nolan hired Martz IMO, to spite the Management for his demotion. McGlouhan was quoted before Nolan's hiring of Martz that he wasn't a consideration for OC, because Martz's philosophy didn't fit the team. Nolan blindsided McGlouhan by hiring him a few days later. The Yorks are friends with Charley Armey as well. Martz isn't popular with the Owners for that reason also. If it wasn't for Singletary, JT O'Sucksagain would still be starting. Both Singletary and Martz's reputations are on the line here, for future consideration of an HC job. Singletary isn't going to let Martz screw that up for him. Nolan's hiring of Martz backfired on him, but even this is more curious:

Q: At what point are you watching the film and realize where the ball really was?

Martz: "I got a call from Mike Nolan this morning and he knew exactly what happened. He's the only one smart enough to look at the TV and he knew immediately. He's the only one who really knows football well to know exactly what happened."

Q: What did he say?

Martz: "He said, 'You got victimized by the replay.' Which is basically what happened. Because if we'd been allowed to get that spike . . . Just angry and frustrated with the way that whole thing developed. Nobody really to blame, other than a lack of communication."

linkMartz bringing this up in the press is a stab at Singletary.

It seems the dynamic between Martz and Singletary may lead to a blowup in the future, and the Yorks are going to stand behind Singletary. Martz is pretty much done in SF. He didn't want Hill in the first place, a QB the 49ers like, both Management and players. The players didn't like JTO much at all, and he is Martz's boy, who rigged the so called QB competition in JTO's favor, with boht Nolan and Martz saying that Hill had a sore arm at camp, which was news to Hill.

The 49ers are a disaster, all due to Nolan's desperation. I wouldn't be surprised if both Singletary and Martz are gone after this season, and then, another 2 years of a long re-build project that started when Terry Donahue purged the roster before Erickson's second season.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

The first spike took 25 seconds from the time Jason Hill was downed because they were trying to get the goal line package players on the field. Obviously, why not spike it and then run those guys out there? Did Singletary explain that last play in his presser? I didn't hear him get into the spefics but I only caught half of it. I can only assume they called the dive play when it was 3 and 1 while they replaying the Gore sweep. So in reviewing the play, they determine the ball should be at the 2.5 tard line. The way they run those replays, the 49ers were painted in a corner: 'After reviewing the play'respot ballyou're out of timeoutsblow the whislte to finish running off the play clockNot making excuses for Singletary - Martz does still report to the HC, correct, not the other way around? - but when you break it down, you'd have to say the coaching staff choked, and didn't give their players a chance to succeed.

Exactly my take on what happened -- haven't seen it so described anywhere else.

 

[thehornet]

It's not Martz that is the problem - it's Singletary

Tough play calling all day. Martz and Singletary have complete diffferent offensive strategies. It's not going tobe pretty for the rest of the year. Singletary wants a smash mouth run game but his line isnt good enough for it. He kept trying to smash gore into the pile and there was nowhere to go. Good way for Gore to get hurt too. Martz is more dynamic and knows how to get Gore in a postion to be a playmaker and in the open (as he should be used). One if not both coaches will be gone by the end of the year. My bets on Singletary being gone. They dont mesh well. This also hurts Gore's value for the rest of the year unless Single lets Martz run the offense the way he wants too. Personally, i think Singletary should just shut his mouth because the offense wasnt very good last night except for a couple late drives.

Scot McGlouhan, the 49er's GM, didn't want Martz to begin with. Nolan hired Martz IMO, to spite the Management for his demotion. McGlouhan was quoted before Nolan's hiring of Martz that he wasn't a consideration for OC, because Martz's philosophy didn't fit the team. Nolan blindsided McGlouhan by hiring him a few days later. The Yorks are friends with Charley Armey as well. Martz isn't popular with the Owners for that reason also. If it wasn't for Singletary, JT O'Sucksagain would still be starting. Both Singletary and Martz's reputations are on the line here, for future consideration of an HC job. Singletary isn't going to let Martz screw that up for him. Nolan's hiring of Martz backfired on him, but even this is more curious:

Q: At what point are you watching the film and realize where the ball really was?

Martz: "I got a call from Mike Nolan this morning and he knew exactly what happened. He's the only one smart enough to look at the TV and he knew immediately. He's the only one who really knows football well to know exactly what happened."

Q: What did he say?

Martz: "He said, 'You got victimized by the replay.' Which is basically what happened. Because if we'd been allowed to get that spike . . . Just angry and frustrated with the way that whole thing developed. Nobody really to blame, other than a lack of communication."

linkMartz bringing this up in the press is a stab at Singletary.

It seems the dynamic between Martz and Singletary may lead to a blowup in the future, and the Yorks are going to stand behind Singletary. Martz is pretty much done in SF. He didn't want Hill in the first place, a QB the 49ers like, both Management and players. The players didn't like JTO much at all, and he is Martz's boy, who rigged the so called QB competition in JTO's favor, with boht Nolan and Martz saying that Hill had a sore arm at camp, which was news to Hill.

The 49ers are a disaster, all due to Nolan's desperation. I wouldn't be surprised if both Singletary and Martz are gone after this season, and then, another 2 years of a long re-build project that started when Terry Donahue purged the roster before Erickson's second season.

very very interesting. Thanks for sharing all of that. Tick tick tick in SF.....disaster.