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The Official Matt Flynn Thread (1 Viewer)

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Matt Flynn will be moving on to somewhere. I am creating this thread to get chronicle his rumors, action, and finally his landing spot. Miami makes a lot of sense with Philbin heading there obviously. Rumors are already swirling.

Packers QB Matt Flynn could be headed to Miami

By Mark J. Miller | Scoop Du Jour – Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:50 AM EST

(US Presswire) Former Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin has headed out of the cold of Wisconsin to the sunny state of Florida to become the latest head coach of the Miami Dolphins. Rumor has it that he may end up taking quarterback Matt Flynn with him.

Packers starting QB Aaron Rodgers told a Milwaukee radio station Wednesday that, based on the recent conversations he's had with Flynn, he thinks it's a "strong possibility" that Flynn could end up in Florida, too, the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel reports.

Rodgers noted that the Seattle Seahawks are the other "top dogs" that could end up signing Flynn when he likely becomes an unrestricted free agent in March, the site notes.

"I think it's a strong possibility that [the Dolphins] would make a run at him," Rodgers said, the paper reports. "I think it kind of makes sense. Joe [Philbin] in that system, which I'm sure is going to be very similar to this system, and Matt having a great grasp of that and playing well in his recent opportunities. I think it would kind of make sense to bring Matt out there."

The 26-year-old Flynn, selected in the seventh round of the 2008 draft out of Louisiana State, had 518 passing yards and six touchdown passes over five games this past season. He also ran the ball in for a score as well, the first rushing touchdown of his four-year career.
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Who are the primary options right now? Miami and Seattle?

Who are the secondary options? Washington and Cleveland (Arizona?)?

 
'mlball77 said:
Who are the primary options right now? Miami and Seattle?Who are the secondary options? Washington and Cleveland (Arizona?)?
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Flynn is in a WCO.Miami just hired his OC for their head coach and they also hired Mike Sherman as their OC and he is also familiar with the WCO.The only other team being mentioned who runs a WCO is Cleveland and they have old old old connections with the Packers with Mike Holmgren who is the current Browns president.Miami is logically the front runner as they run a WCO and just hired Flynn's former OC and further cemented the WCO bond in hiring Sherman. A distant second in terms of needing a QB and running a WCO with ties to the Pack has to be Cleveland. I would have to make a guess that Seattle would be third but an argument could be made that the Hawks have no shot at RG III but Cleveland and Washington and even Miami are in striking distance to move up for him to fill one of those team's needs.Seattle has to be actively seeking other means to land a QB so it makes sense that they would be aggressive in trying to land Flynn but Miami has made overt moves to set the table to go after Flynn. I'm sure Matt will play the field to get the best contract but Miami has to be considered the front runner.
 
'Bracie Smathers said:
'mlball77 said:
Who are the primary options right now? Miami and Seattle?Who are the secondary options? Washington and Cleveland (Arizona?)?
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Flynn is in a WCO.Miami just hired his OC for their head coach and they also hired Mike Sherman as their OC and he is also familiar with the WCO.The only other team being mentioned who runs a WCO is Cleveland and they have old old old connections with the Packers with Mike Holmgren who is the current Browns president.Miami is logically the front runner as they run a WCO and just hired Flynn's former OC and further cemented the WCO bond in hiring Sherman. A distant second in terms of needing a QB and running a WCO with ties to the Pack has to be Cleveland. I would have to make a guess that Seattle would be third but an argument could be made that the Hawks have no shot at RG III but Cleveland and Washington and even Miami are in striking distance to move up for him to fill one of those team's needs.Seattle has to be actively seeking other means to land a QB so it makes sense that they would be aggressive in trying to land Flynn but Miami has made overt moves to set the table to go after Flynn. I'm sure Matt will play the field to get the best contract but Miami has to be considered the front runner.
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Agreed. Can't really add any more to those statements. I'd be the house on Miami.
 
What if:

1.- Manning is released from Colts and is healthy/available to the Dolphins.

2 - Or Philbin sees problems with Flynn's game that no one else knows about. We have a small sampling of games to grade Flynn on. (even smaller than Kolb) So, if Philbin takes a pass on Flynn, I would run the other way in fantasy.

 
Looking at the other recent backups that became starters. My guess is it looks something like this:

Schaub>Flynn>Cassel>Kolb

ETA: If I had to bet on a team right now, I'm going with Seattle.

 
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'KCitons said:
What if:1.- Manning is released from Colts and is healthy/available to the Dolphins. 2 - Or Philbin sees problems with Flynn's game that no one else knows about. We have a small sampling of games to grade Flynn on. (even smaller than Kolb) So, if Philbin takes a pass on Flynn, I would run the other way in fantasy.
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Small sampling, true. However in that small sampling he broke the single game records for yardage and touchdowns for a franchise that boasts multiple HOF quarterbacks.
 
'Magic_Man said:
As a Miami fan, I hope they do not give up the farm if they go for Flynn. He is far from proven.
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Unless he is franchised, all Miami will have to give up is the cabbage. If he is franchised, I would hate to see the Fins pay the price in draft picks, and the huge contract.
 
'KCitons said:
What if:

1.- Manning is released from Colts and is healthy/available to the Dolphins.

2 - Or Philbin sees problems with Flynn's game that no one else knows about. We have a small sampling of games to grade Flynn on. (even smaller than Kolb) So, if Philbin takes a pass on Flynn, I would run the other way in fantasy.
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Philbin passing on Flynn might indicate something. However, passing on Flynn for a healthy Peyton Manning might not indicate anything other than that Flynn is no Manning, which we can already guess. Obviously I'm going with an assumption of health for Manning. If they pass on Flynn for a not-so-healthy Manning, that might indicate something.
 
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Wonder how people think the change in Offense to a WCO and possibily having Flynn could affect Marshall's fantasy production. Did he ever play in a WCO in Denver?

 
'Magic_Man said:
As a Miami fan, I hope they do not give up the farm if they go for Flynn. He is far from proven.
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I never understand comments like this. Of course he's unproven. If he were a proven QB already, you wouldn't have any shot at him. Franchise QBs almost never hit free agency or the trading block.
 
The Packers could have traded him last year and gotten maybe a 2nd round pick for him before he hit free agency. They chose to keep him for one more year as a backup. I think they must have known they were getting a fantastic QB for one more year or they would have cashed in on him and taken the 2nd round pick. Philbin knows this better than anybody so I fully expect MIA to sign him to a generous contract.

As far as Marshall is concerned, I think he'll get a bump but not a big one. We saw in the two games that Flynn played that he is able to find all his targets. He won't just focus on his best one.

 
'squistion said:
'Sabertooth said:
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
'butcher boy said:
Matt Cassel 2.0
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scott mitchell 2.0
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Not sure what you mean by this. His game is nothing like Mitchell's. However if he post 4300 yards and 32 touchdowns in his first full season starting, that would be great.
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I was going to mention that. Mitchell was a fantasy darling the first year after he switched teams.
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mitchell was a good FFL QBTerrible NFL QB
 
'Perfect Tommy said:
The Packers could have traded him last year and gotten maybe a 2nd round pick for him before he hit free agency. They chose to keep him for one more year as a backup. I think they must have known they were getting a fantastic QB for one more year or they would have cashed in on him and taken the 2nd round pick. Philbin knows this better than anybody so I fully expect MIA to sign him to a generous contract.As far as Marshall is concerned, I think he'll get a bump but not a big one. We saw in the two games that Flynn played that he is able to find all his targets. He won't just focus on his best one.
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Or they never got any signs that they would get that much for him last year. That possibility is there.I think after the concussions, they wanted the insurance that Flynn provided them if Rodgers were to miss time. They chose to pay that price of the drop in draft picks they will get for him (what, a 4th or 5th round comp pick now in 2013?)Miami is the easy obvious choice with Philbin heading there. Though, lets not keep saying its just a WCO. McCarthy and Philbin's offense was not really a true WCO...most are not anymore.
 
'sho nuff said:
'Perfect Tommy said:
The Packers could have traded him last year and gotten maybe a 2nd round pick for him before he hit free agency. They chose to keep him for one more year as a backup. I think they must have known they were getting a fantastic QB for one more year or they would have cashed in on him and taken the 2nd round pick. Philbin knows this better than anybody so I fully expect MIA to sign him to a generous contract.As far as Marshall is concerned, I think he'll get a bump but not a big one. We saw in the two games that Flynn played that he is able to find all his targets. He won't just focus on his best one.
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Or they never got any signs that they would get that much for him last year. That possibility is there.I think after the concussions, they wanted the insurance that Flynn provided them if Rodgers were to miss time. They chose to pay that price of the drop in draft picks they will get for him (what, a 4th or 5th round comp pick now in 2013?)Miami is the easy obvious choice with Philbin heading there. Though, lets not keep saying its just a WCO. McCarthy and Philbin's offense was not really a true WCO...most are not anymore.
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All valid points and I also think there was not as much of a market for Flynn last year but with a couple of the big name QBs staying for another year in college, the door is wide open for Flynn to get between $10-$12m+ a season...oh yes yes yes, don't think for a second this guy isn't getting something in the neighborhood of at least 4/$50m or 5/$60m, maybe I am lowballing it here too. This would be a perfect place for him to land with Philbin and now Sherman running the offense. Flynn would be made to feel very comfortable here. Miami can take the 1st round pick and perhaps maneuver to get Blackmon to go opposite Marshall, 2nd rounder on the TE from Clemson, use free agency to shore up the right side of that line. I hope Miami gets it right.
 
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doesn't matter, his fantasy price is going to be WAY over valued now.

these threads make people jump on someone way too early.

 
'Perfect Tommy said:
The Packers could have traded him last year and gotten maybe a 2nd round pick for him before he hit free agency. They chose to keep him for one more year as a backup. I think they must have known they were getting a fantastic QB for one more year or they would have cashed in on him and taken the 2nd round pick. Philbin knows this better than anybody so I fully expect MIA to sign him to a generous contract.As far as Marshall is concerned, I think he'll get a bump but not a big one. We saw in the two games that Flynn played that he is able to find all his targets. He won't just focus on his best one.
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Doubtful. Knowing how Thompson covets draft picks he'd would've traded Flynn in a heartbeat for a 2nd had anyone actually offered that.
 
Reports out of Seattle are they have no interest in Flynn. I've heard this through circles that apparently are in the know. Of course, this is the middle of hype season for misinformation, but I've heard similar statements come out of the front office.

 
Well, I know that I have posted this in the other Flynn threads but I would love to see him in MIN; they do run the WCO and we all saw what Favre did for them.

 
5/65 from Washington is my guess. Miami makes a ton (the most?) of sense, but I think the redskins out bid them.

 
Just like a lot of these guys you hear conflicting reports and your opinion swings weekly. If Peyton Manning is not healthy I think I favor Miami and then Cleveland as the best possibilities. Washington makes sense but I just think they are more likely to go hard after RGIII. Seattle makes some sense too but it sounds like they are saying they won't be players for him. My top 5 likely destinations as of right now.

1. Miami

2. Cleveland

3. Washington

4. Seattle

5. Denver

 
Where would Flynn be going if Ropgers had played the final game against the Lions? Probably resigning with GB as Rogers backup.

This has bust written all of it. 90% of Flynns career stats came in one game on the best offensive team and systems in the NFL going against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. Buyer beware...

 
'Da Guru said:
Where would Flynn be going if Ropgers had played the final game against the Lions? Probably resigning with GB as Rogers backup.This has bust written all of it. 90% of Flynns career stats came in one game on the best offensive team and systems in the NFL going against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. Buyer beware...
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Flynn was going to get a starting gig regardless of his week 17 game. The week 17 game just earned him a bigger paycheck. Flynn has a lot of talent and he could end up in a really good situation in Miami or Washington. Calling this guy a bust is going out on a limb. Normally I like that, but in this case, there is a good chance things line up just right for Flynn. Instead of looking at "90% of Flynns career stats" you should just watch that week 17 game. Flynn is very accurate and has a good zip on the ball.
 
'Da Guru said:
Where would Flynn be going if Ropgers had played the final game against the Lions? Probably resigning with GB as Rogers backup.

This has bust written all of it. 90% of Flynns career stats came in one game on the best offensive team and systems in the NFL going against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. Buyer beware...
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I really don't think you have followed flynn very long if this is your opinion.In big dynasty leagues, I routinely have seen Flynn on rosters for almost two seasons now and the general consensus among his owners has been that he was going to be starting somewhere in 2012, regardless.

My timeline (and reasoning) goes like this:

I originally added him a couple of seasons ago after listening and watching how the Packers obviously saw more in him than Brian Brohm. After remembering and doing some research on how the Packers, over the years, have had an excellent record of grooming QBs that have went on to have good careers elsewhere, I was more convinced.

Then I listened as his reviews from camps and pre-seasons were always solid: he always seemed to have things said about him that he was truly learning this system and would play well when called upon.

Then when he played at New England in 2010, I saw a guy that could play the position for this team and do it well.

Then, earlier this year on MNF in mop up time, he looked to me to be obviously prepared. I took that as another great sign. So often, when you hold the clip board for a league star, you see guys that don't truly prepare because they just never played. but it was obvious that Flynn knew what he was doing when he stepped in.

And then, of course, the final game this season. I will be honest; I was torn on this. Not because of wondeirng if it was legit, but because I was still holding out hope that I could get flynn fairly cheap on one team I have that I don't have him and wanted him. But he played well and probably literally doubled his salary.

Instead of people saying "small sample size" and just categorically saying "he's Kolb..He's not gonna do it", I think people would be better served to actually watch the games he played and make a list of what he can't do...there's not much. He can move, he can throw, he can read the plays, he can make the throws. I can't say he can step up in the pocket yet..just haven't seen that situation enough in the games. But I can see with my own two eyes that he can do things as good or beeter than a lot of other guys in the league playing the position right now and I have no idea what a rookie may or not be able to do.

So, ok. If you follow me and agree with so far, that's still only half the equation. The other part (and might be the bigger part) is the situtation/opportunity he will find himself in. He's a FA so he gets to control that to a large degree. I like that because he and his people know what will suit them best and where he is most likely to succeed.

But then if you add the good fortune on top of it that he is hitting a market at the same time his former OC is landing a head coaching job, you REALLY have to like the prospects of him going to Miami. If the Dolphins want him, that advertises in neon that they think he is the real deal. And he knows the system, etc. And he has a team with a very good WR, a couple of good possession WRs, an underrated TE, a young running game, and a high set of draft picks.

I will be the first to temper my expectations if he signs elsewhere. It really will be dependent on a lot of other things, but I am really comfortable in saying that if he goes to Miami, I will be very happy as an owner. If he stays healthy, I don't see how he CAN'T be a top 12-15 QB next year. That's not bad for a waiver wire pickup that you just had to sit on for a while and now you get a very young QB.

 
UPDATE: Brandon Marshall has reached out to Matt Flynn

Published Fri Jan 27 8:55:28 p.m. ET 2012(KFFL) Miami Dolphins WR Brandon Marshall has reached out to Green Bay Packers QB Matt Flynn, who is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent in March. "You've got some guys in the draft, but there's too many guys out there just walking the streets," Marshall said. "Matt is available. We've talked. I reached out to him. I get it from (Baltimore Ravens LB Ray Lewis). Around this time of year, players talk to players." It is not considered tampering if a player talks to a player, and the league confirmed it's not a violation of any rules.
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Flynn saying all the right things here: (from ProFootballTalk)

"I'm a confident person, but the element of the unknown makes you wish March 13 was tomorrow," Flynn said this week, via SI.com. "I've loved being a Packer, and it's not 100 percent sure I'm leaving Green Bay, but as a competitor and football player, that's what you play the game for — to be a starter in the league. Hopefully some teams will be interested in me and I can find a good opportunity. I want to lead a team and I'm excited about it. But I can't talk to teams now. I don't know if I'm on their radar. It's going to be a long month leading up to that time — waiting and wondering."
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'pittstownkiller said:
'Carolina Hustler said:
'Pots said:
'MTskibum said:
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
'butcher boy said:
Matt Cassel 2.0
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scott mitchell 2.0
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Matt Hasselbeck 2.0 :thumbup:
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Kevin Kolb 2.0
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Are any of you actually Flynn owners and have these opinions?
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Flynn owner and also think he's Kolb 2.0 (whom I also previously owned).Kolb's toast in Arizona. Terrible fit for the offense. No clue why Whiz thought he'd be a good fit outside WCO.
 
Matt Cassel 2.0
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scott mitchell 2.0
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Matt Hasselbeck 2.0 :thumbup:
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Kevin Kolb 2.0
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Are any of you actually Flynn owners and have these opinions?
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Flynn owner and also think he's Kolb 2.0 (whom I also previously owned).Kolb's toast in Arizona. Terrible fit for the offense. No clue why Whiz thought he'd be a good fit outside WCO.
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So Kolb was a terrible fit in AZ.Doesn't mean Flynn will be where he ends up.Maybe he won't be his 2.0.
 
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