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The overlooked Charger - Marcus McNeill (1 Viewer)

Ah, I see. Yes, agree. He dropped b/c of (1) his back and (2) people thought he'd project to being a guard. Funny thing is, every draftnik community from here to GBN and all points in between was howling at his slipping.

 
I am an active poster at a very active Jets' message board and what MN is doing is not going unoticed to us. While we are absolutley ecstatic with our two rookie OLineman (D'Brick & Mangold), and they both look like they will be dominant players at their respective positions for years to come, whenever anyone brings up a thread titled, "Do you think Nick or Brick can win OROY?," plenty of posters in unison point out that if any OLineman was going to win that award this season, it would be Marcus McNeill over our two guys.

Congrats to Chargers' fans as having a stud at that position always leads to offensive productivity. :yes:

 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...art1/index.html

Don Banks at SI.com has him the #1 pick in a redraft.

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Houston Texans:

MARCUS McNEILL, OT Auburn

Original pick: Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State

Whether the sack-battered David Carr stays or goes, the Texans simply have to fix their five-year-old pass protection problems. Having the big, mauling McNeill at left tackle would have been a fine place to start.
:goodposting: Last year's "redraft" had Merriman going #1 overall. And if the 2004 redraft was done today, I'm pretty sure Philip Rivers would go #1.

Nice job AJ Smith. :thumbup:

 
I am an active poster at a very active Jets' message board and what MN is doing is not going unoticed to us. While we are absolutley ecstatic with our two rookie OLineman (D'Brick & Mangold), and they both look like they will be dominant players at their respective positions for years to come, whenever anyone brings up a thread titled, "Do you think Nick or Brick can win OROY?," plenty of posters in unison point out that if any OLineman was going to win that award this season, it would be Marcus McNeill over our two guys.Congrats to Chargers' fans as having a stud at that position always leads to offensive productivity. :yes:
And getting him at #50 overall is a huge bonus.
 
I am an active poster at a very active Jets' message board and what MN is doing is not going unoticed to us. While we are absolutley ecstatic with our two rookie OLineman (D'Brick & Mangold), and they both look like they will be dominant players at their respective positions for years to come, whenever anyone brings up a thread titled, "Do you think Nick or Brick can win OROY?," plenty of posters in unison point out that if any OLineman was going to win that award this season, it would be Marcus McNeill over our two guys.Congrats to Chargers' fans as having a stud at that position always leads to offensive productivity. :yes:
And getting him at #50 overall is a huge bonus.
Agreed.
 
He started off the year as a great pass blocker and a mediocre run blocker. Now he's mauling people in run blocking as well. One of the more common short yardage TD plays is LT off left tackle to the corner. McNeill has done a great job sealing the edge and with Neal hitting the LB LT often goes in untouched.

 
Thing is, D'Brikashaw doesn't have a bad back, so in the long run he could be looking like a MUCH better pick.

 
Jaws just said on Cold Hard Facts that McNeill should be the rookie of the year.

Consider that he hasn't given up a sack or had a holding penalty in 13 starts as a ROOKIE LT going one on one with the other teams top pass rushers. I believe LT has 19 of his 26 rushing TD's going to the left.

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006

Charge it to the Game

Vince Young, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Marcus McNeill? After breaking his left hand in August, who would have thought that McNeill would be one of the top left tackles in the NFL, in just one season? Why isn't he being considered as the NFL's Offensive Rookie of the Year? Oh yeah, he has also played with a broken right hand as well.

The blind side of Philip Rivers has not one scratch on it, thanks to the physical and overbearing play of the 6-7, 335 lbs. hard charging rookie known as Marcus McNeill. He is also a critical piece in the offensive clog that has led to a record breaking season from LaDainian Tomlinson. Face it, offensive linemen do not get respect. The last offensive linemen to make splashes in the national media are undoubtedly Steve Hutchinson and Orlando Pace.

The case for McNeill is simple. He has given up virtually zero sacks, and has had a strong enough pull on the left side for Lorenzo Neal to push through and lead block for Tomlinson. Just study some tapes or watch McNeill himself, only if you can keep your eyes off of Tomlinson. If Cory Lekkerkerker has been starting, Philip Rivers would have hit the ground more than the 23 times he has been sacked this year. Marcus McNeill is also a Pro Bowl contender. He has man-handled the likes of Joey Porter this year with his rare ability for his size.

McNeill's accomplishments can't be seen on Stats, Inc., nor will they ever make the highlight reel.

History is against McNeill though, as only one offensive lineman has won the Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year since its inception. In 1968, tackle Earl McCullouch from the Detroit Lions brought it home. If it is of any resolve, only 2 quarterbacks have ever won the award, as well as only 6 wide receivers.

Marcus McNeill's accomplishments should no longer go unnoticed. I am officially throwing his name into the ring of honor as a Rookie of the Year candidate, along side Vince Young and Maurice Jones-Drew. If he doesn't get at least 20% of the votes, we must charge it to not just the game, but the media.

 
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I think McNeil deserves ROTY, but I know for a fact he's giving up at least one sack this year.

 
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I think McNeil deserves ROTY, but I know for a fact he's giving up at least on sack this year.
I think he gave up two to Jared Allen in the first KC game. That was McNeill's only bad game of the season, but he definitely gave up at least one sack, and I think two.
 
I think McNeil deserves ROTY, but I know for a fact he's giving up at least on sack this year.
I think he gave up two to Jared Allen in the first KC game. That was McNeill's only bad game of the season, but he definitely gave up at least one sack, and I think two.
that's the one I remember. could very well have been two - McNeil looked lost in that game, and it stood out only because he's been so good.
 
It's a travesty people don't know more about what McNeil's done this year.
Meh, I hear a lot more talk about McNeil than I do Jammal Brown and he's been a key component of the success of Brees and NO. It's normal for OL to develop a body of work before getting recognized as a great player.
 
Jaws just said on Cold Hard Facts that McNeill should be the rookie of the year.
I think he belongs in the discussion with the Hesters/Jones-Drews/Jennings of the world but I can't believe DeMeco Ryans doesn't get more mention. What more can he do? He's already one of the best LB's in the game. You could make an argument that Young should win based on how TEN looked before he got on the field and how TEN has played since he started but Ryans is already elite at his position. Young isn't a top five QB, but he's a nice story.
 
McNeill key to Chargers' offensive success

By Len Pasquarelli

ESPN.com

When it comes to electing the NFL's rookies of the year on both sides of the ball, statistics typically influence the voting, and this season won't be any different.

So be prepared, over the next week or two, to be inundated by these kinds of numbers: Tennessee quarterback Vince Young is 7-4 as a starter, has won seven of his last nine starts, and needs 38 yards to become the first rookie at his position to rush for 500 yards. Reggie Bush of New Orleans has established a record for receptions by a first-year running back, and Saints teammate Marques Colston is only the 10th rookie since 1970 to register 1,000 receiving yards. Houston middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans has the second-most tackles in the NFL and Chicago defensive end and situational pass-rusher Mark Anderson has 10 sacks. Indianapolis running back Joseph Addai has 71 fewer rushing yards than the man he ostensibly replaced, Edgerrin James, but owns a 1.4-yard edge in average yards per carry and has 102 fewer rushes.

And, oh, yeah, Bears special-teams ace Devin Hester has six returns for touchdowns.

Lost among those staggering statistics is the lonely number zero, as in the number of holding penalties assessed against San Diego first-year left offensive tackle Marcus McNeill, who won't win rookie of the year honors, but who legitimately deserves to be in the debate.

Simply breathe the initials "LT" in San Diego and, justifiably, everyone thinks of Chargers record-setting tailback LaDainian Tomlinson, the league's presumptive most valuable player. But the "LT" designation in any NFL lineup is league shorthand for "left tackle" as well, and McNeill, a second-round heist for San Diego general manager A.J. Smith, has helped carve out a lot of rushing yards for a Chargers offense with a preference for running left, and has been a key part of a unit that has protected Philip Rivers extremely well.

In this week's Pro Bowl balloting, McNeill was chosen as a first alternate, which essentially means he garnered the fourth-most votes among all AFC tackles.

The 2006 rookie class has provided a pretty nice season of replenishment at some positions. All three first-round quarterbacks -- Young, Matt Leinart (Arizona) and Jay Cutler (Denver) -- have displayed promise. Addai leads a very solid group of first-year tailbacks. And Ryans is part of a linebacker class that includes future stars such as Green Bay's A.J. Hawk, Thomas Howard of Oakland and Detroit's Ernie Sims.

But the position that has arguably benefited the most from an infusion of rookie talent is the offensive line. And although he was only the seventh lineman chosen in April, the 50th prospect selected overall, McNeill has clearly been the best of the bunch.

"Think about where we'd be if he wasn't … No, on second thought, don't think about where we'd be," head coach Marty Schottenheimer told the San Diego Union-Tribune recently, when asked about the role the rookie left tackle has played in the Chargers' success. "I don't know, has there ever been an offensive tackle [elected] rookie of the year?"

For the record, there hasn't, and there won't be this season, either. Which doesn't mean McNeill shouldn't be on the short list of viable candidates.

He has started all 14 games on one of the NFL's top-shelf, and youngest, line units. Beyond the fact he's yet to be flagged for a holding call, McNeill unofficially has surrendered only two sacks and, in the running game, has consistently knocked defenders off the line of scrimmage. And that's despite playing the early part of the season with a broken left hand. A San Diego coaching staff that once feared it might have to provide McNeill with some assistance on the weak side, by using a tight end to help in obvious pass-blocking situations, long ago quit fretting about that.

It took only a few regular-season games, after McNeill won the starting job in training camp, to realize that he didn't need much help at all.

Said Oakland defensive end and 2005 league sack champion Derrick Burgess: "He is really, really good. I mean, he sure doesn't play like a rookie. To think he's going to keep getting better, that's pretty scary."

Scary is what many league personnel directors considered McNeill when they perused the medical dossier from his college career. Despite starting 40 games at Auburn, including six as a true freshman, McNeill was dogged before the draft by reports of chronic back problems, and, indeed, does have indications of the condition spinal stenosis, an abnormally narrow spinal column.

Those concerns are what dropped McNeill, generally regarded as the second-best tackle prospect in the draft class, behind only Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, into the second round. McNeill was able to jump through all the medical hoops the Chargers put in front of him, and navigate every hurdle the San Diego scouts laid out, including an extensive battery of tests and at least two MRIs on his back. Convinced they could live with some of the medical red flags, the Chargers' brass decided McNeill was simply too good to pass on at the 50th overall slot.

It isn't often that a team wins a Super Bowl starting a rookie at left tackle. But New England did it in 2001, with Matt Light at the most critical offensive line position, and the Chargers could repeat that rare feat.

"I'm not one of those guys with the chip on his shoulder, who says, you know, 'I'm going to get even with all of those teams that didn't want me.' That's not my style," said McNeill, who is the son of a high school coach, knows the game, and impressed the Chargers with his character and demeanor. "Maybe it was a bit disappointing to not be drafted in the first round. But when you get down to just playing football, you get over that kind of stuff. Everything happens for a reason. I think things worked out pretty well for me."

Until surrendering three sacks to Buffalo end Aaron Schobel two weeks ago, Ferguson, chosen by the New York Jets with the fourth overall pick, had played pretty well, too. But not nearly as well in all facets of the game as McNeill, who has quickly developed into an excellent two-way blocker, has played.

McNeill definitely leads an excellent group of rookie offensive linemen, and that includes several other promising left tackles.

Besides McNeill and Ferguson, Cincinnati rookie Andrew Whitworth has held up well in starting 11 games after Bengals standout left tackle Levi Jones was sidelined by a knee injury. It's unusual to have so many solid young left tackles come into the NFL in the same year. Or, for that matter, so many offensive linemen in general who have made a relatively facile transition to the NFL level.

By unofficial count, 16 rookie linemen have started at least five games this season and 11 have started in 10 games or more.

The Green Bay trio of Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz and Tony Moll has combined for 36 starts. Despite the problems Tampa Bay has encountered this season, the Bucs will benefit down the road from having two rookies on the right side of their line, guard Davin Joseph and tackle Jeremy Trueblood, combine for 21 starts in 2006. Ferguson and fellow Jets first-rounder Nick Mangold, who has started every game at center, figure to be the mainstays on the New York line for the next 10 to 12 seasons. In the not-too-distant future, the bookend tackles in Houston will probably be Eric Winston, who has started five games, and Charles Spencer, who started the first three games of the year before suffering a season-ending broken left tibia.

That's a ot of good linemen from one draft class. But none can touch the overall excellence that McNeill has demonstrated for a Chargers team that was seeking to solidify the key left tackle position.

"His ability to step in and play arguably one of the most difficult positions in the game of football has been remarkable," Schottenheimer said.

 
Anyone know what happened to him today? He went out in the 1st quarter it seemed and never came back. :goodposting:
Wow, I did not know that. Certainly could have been partially to blame for LT's somewhat human numbers today. Is Oben his backup now, or is he still not playing?
 
Anyone know what happened to him today? He went out in the 1st quarter it seemed and never came back. :thumbup:
Wow, I did not know that. Certainly could have been partially to blame for LT's somewhat human numbers today. Is Oben his backup now, or is he still not playing?
Oben replaced him for the remainder of the game. Looking at the Chargers' message board a couple of people said McNeil had a neck stinger, nothing too serious probably, but they'll know more in the next couple of days.
 
Anyone know what happened to him today? He went out in the 1st quarter it seemed and never came back. ;)
Wow, I did not know that. Certainly could have been partially to blame for LT's somewhat human numbers today. Is Oben his backup now, or is he still not playing?
Oben replaced him for the remainder of the game. Looking at the Chargers' message board a couple of people said McNeil had a neck stinger, nothing too serious probably, but they'll know more in the next couple of days.
Obviously Mcneil is a monster, but Oben has to be the best backup LT in the league now.
 
McNeil made the first-team FoxSports/FootballOutsiders All-NFL Team:

Left tackle: Marcus McNeill, San Diego

McNeill should get rookie of the year recognition for the season he's had in San Diego. In a year when many of the old standbys at left tackle, like Jonathan Ogden and Walter Jones, began to decline, McNeill established himself as the best player in the league at the most important line position.
 
More importantly - did he practice today?

I know Marty said he was pleased with his injury's progress yesterday, but still...

 
Marcus McNeill's interview on Sirius NFL Radio....

Adam Schein (AS): Tell us about M. Turner. What do you think of this guy?

Marcus (MM): Every time he touches the ball he's doing some things that even LT isn't doing.

AS: Elaborate.

MM: [sings Burner's praises] If I'm an offensive lineman, he's the type of back I want to block for.

Solomon Wilcots (SW): What's your take on all the changes on the coacing staff?

MM: We're putting all of our faith in the people upstairs.

AS: Tell us about Kris Dielman. How important was it to get him back?

MM: When I found out he was staying, it was happiest point of my off-season. Good guy to hang out with. They to go Taco Shack together a lot for $2 tacos.

SW: What was the biggest factor in he success you had as a rookie?

MM: Biggest thing for me was, we had the same type of team we had at Aubrun. We had a family. Coaching staff to players.

AS: Tell us about Marty, what was your relationship like with Marty?

MM: The "late great" (yes he said that ) Marty Schottenheimer is one of the greatest coaches in the NFL. Marty took me aside a lot and told me what I needed to be doing. Treated him like a family member.

SW: What are you gonna miss most with Marty gone?

MM: Just the selflessness. A players coach. Stood up to anybody on behalf of the players.

AS: Well, what do you think of Norv Turner?

MM: He's a nice guy. Has spent some time with Norv already. Starting to build same type of relationship with Norv that had with Marty.

SW: What's the feeling like among the players heading into to 2007 after all the playoff loss and the coaching shake up.

MM: Ever seen the movie 300? That's the kind of attitude we have on this team.

AS: What's PR like in the huddle?

MM: Reminds me of Brett Farve. Talking trash in the huddle after plays. Taking charge.

SW: Does he drink too much coffee or is he always just like that? Everbody laughs.

MM: When the game is on the line, PR keeps his cool. Wants a QB who is not afraid. PR is fearless.

Marcus is a funny guy. A little hard to understand. But he's had Schein and Wilcots rolling in laughter throughout the interview.

Interview over.

AS: Love talking Marcus McNeill...shoulda been rookie of year.

SW: What a treat, a young man who is wise beyond his years.

Now a caller is on the line..."I'm a Chiefs fan..about that Marcus McNeill, I hate to say it, but a rookie isn't supposed to play like that."

 
Q: Marcus, what do you feel you need to work on the most this offseason to take you to the next level?

Marcus: First I need to work on not breaking my hands. Also playing more controlled and becoming stronger.

Q: You were held out of practices during your time at Auburn due to your spine condition. How did your back hold up during the elongated NFL season compared?

Marcus: It held up really well all last season. I didn't miss a single practice. It was just like I tried to tell everybody before I came to the NFL.
Full 5/1/07 chat transcript
 
Marcus McNeill's interview on Sirius NFL Radio....

Solomon Wilcots (SW): What's your take on all the changes on the coacing staff?

MM: We're putting all of our faith in the people upstairs.

SO basically they are just putting blind faith in their new coaches...not much else you can do but this isn't a ringing endorsement.

AS: Tell us about Marty, what was your relationship like with Marty?

MM: The "late great" (yes he said that ) Marty Schottenheimer is one of the greatest coaches in the NFL. Marty took me aside a lot and told me what I needed to be doing. Treated him like a family member.

Sounds like everyone was pretty close to Marty...sounds like the kind of coach you want to go to war with...the type you put that extra 10% out for.

AS: Well, what do you think of Norv Turner?

MM: He's a nice guy. Has spent some time with Norv already. Starting to build same type of relationship with Norv that had with Marty.

Nice guy...maybe they go get ice cream together after practice and then head on over to the circus. I know SD Chargers fans don't want to hear it...but when Dec/Jan rolls around and NE/Indy are playing for the AFC CHampionship again...

14-2, let's fire the HC...Brilliant!
 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Sounds like everyone was pretty close to Marty...sounds like the kind of coach you want to go to war with...the type you put that extra 10% out for.
The NE playoff game told a much different story. Feel free to spin away though.
 

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