"The Patriots have figured this offense out" (1 Viewer)

[dwarfboy]

I don't know if the Patriots figured it out or not but bringing in the guy (McDaniel) in to "help" out with the offense smells pretty bad to me. The Patriots did not bring in McDaniel to help out the Patriots offense. They brought him in as a consultant to help the Patriots defense out. Was the move legal? I don't know. But, to bring a coach into the fold in the divisional playoff round that was not on the team previously just does not seem right.

The Broncos were running an option offense when McDaniels was fired in 2010?

Then why bring him in during the first game of the playoffs and put him in the booth? He hasn't been with the New England offense in a few years either. Everyone knows the deal about this. It wasn't against the rules, but it will be by next season. I can say it's consistent with Bill's behavior, though.

Why in the world should it be against the rules to hire a any coach at any point?

 

[DropKick]

The Patriots are the new Raiders, they cheat.

When did the RAIDERS cheat? And what do they have to do with the Pats and this thread?

See "Holy Roller"...

 

[DoubleG]

The Patriots are the new Raiders, they cheat.

you guys are a joke..nothing in the rules against hiring McDaniels. People are always jealous of those ahead of the curve.

Which is why the NFL is changing the rule.

"ahead of the curve" apparently = "finding loopholes and exploiting them before the league closes the said loopholes". Was it legal? Sure - but defending it is also a joke.

LOL at the NFL changing the rules for some message board whiners.

Ummm...you don't follow football that much do you. Here, let me help - here's a link to the Washington Post article from yesterday:Read - and look at the picture.

 

[12punch]

At some point I expect goodell to ppass a rule against the pats winning games --- each win costs them a fine and a draft pick

 

[PatsFanCT]

The Patriots are the new Raiders, they cheat.

you guys are a joke..nothing in the rules against hiring McDaniels. People are always jealous of those ahead of the curve.

Which is why the NFL is changing the rule.

"ahead of the curve" apparently = "finding loopholes and exploiting them before the league closes the said loopholes". Was it legal? Sure - but defending it is also a joke.

LOL at the NFL changing the rules for some message board whiners.

Ummm...you don't follow football that much do you. Here, let me help - here's a link to the Washington Post article from yesterday:Read - and look at the picture.

Just like they changed the tuck rule, right?Of all the crazy Pats conspiracy theory's going, this is by far the dumbest.

 

[PhD]

The original post was just pointing out that Spygate tarnished the man in the hoodie. What used to be a comment on his greatness (game planning, and adjustments) has turned into suspicion and raised eyebrows. It didn't help that after the scandal the Pats started to hit bumps in the road through the playoffs that they hadn't seen before. It's just meaningless coincidence that they ended their playoff drought after bringing back McDaniel's (who obviously had his own spy scandal independent of the Pats) but it is fun to play with.

That said, I think those of you who suggest that bringing McDaniels back was nothing more than a move to bring in next year's OC are being pretty naive. McDaniels is a big boy, who obviously has had a ton of success with the Pats. He certainly doesn't need a few weeks under O'Brien to see how the offense works. This is a "what can you do for me NOW" league - no one in this league brings someone in on payroll just to give him some sort of integrated opportunity to watch and learn with no responsibilities. No, the Pats are most certainly getting something from this. I don't think that they brought him in for the Broncos. The Pats were OK on that one without him, and I don't think McDaniels knows enough of the current Broncos to be any kind of advantage. I think they brought him in for just about everyone else they might see in the playoffs, especially in the NFC (Packers, 49ers, Saints, Giants) but also Steelers and Ravens. Ironically he has had to game plan for all of these teams, and he brings a specific set of knowledge to the table. (it would be too easy to insert a joke about that knowledge being his spy tapes, but that's going overboard).

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The Patriots are the new Raiders, they cheat.

When did the RAIDERS cheat? And what do they have to do with the Pats and this thread?

See "Holy Roller"...

How is that cheating if no rules were broken ...they put a rule into effect the following year...so im not sure what your point is.

 

[todisco1]

cheating = trying to winlooking back to spygate?really gettin on bill for being a better coach and thinking ahead of the game?recording anothers team practice is not cheating, its trying to win.False start penalties are cheating if you want to look at it that way.Why not create a holy storm when a cb drags down a wr just to stop him from catching a pass.thats cheating, but because they get a few yards on a flag we forgive.yes some smart a%% comments by myself, but its needed in a horrible thread like this.

This thread is horrible but "recording another team practice is not cheating" is an incorrect statement and the Patriots were fined heavily for it. Players/teams are not fined for false start penalties. Not that any of that had anything to do with last night, which was just a good old drubbing.

I know there's a lot of stupid in all these Pats bashing threads, but the Patriots were never accused of, and certainly never fined for filming ay teams practices. But go ahead and live in your ignorant little hate world.

Not quite sure I understand this. Are you saying the below didn't happen?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338Belichick draws $500,000 fine, but avoids suspensionEmailPrintCommentsESPN.com news servicesNEW YORK -- New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up its first-round draft choice next year if it reaches the playoffs this season, or its second- and third-round picks if it misses the postseason."This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell said in a letter to the Patriots.The videotaping came to light after a camera was confiscated from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 win last Sunday at Giants Stadium. Goodell will not change the outcome of the game.Goodell said he had considered suspending Belichick but didn't "largely because I believe that the discipline I am imposing of a maximum fine and forfeiture of a first-round draft choice, or multiple draft choices, is in fact more significant and long-lasting, and therefore more effective, than a suspension."Clayton: Penalty Too LightBill Belichick and his team deserved a much stiffer penalty than the fines and loss of picks they got for spying on the Jets. StoryInstead, Goodell imposed the biggest fine ever on a coach -- it represents 12 percent of Belichick's scheduled 2007 salary, which is believed to be $4.2 million -- and took away a first-round draft pick as a penalty for the first time in NFL history.

 

[parrot]

cheating = trying to win

looking back to spygate?

really gettin on bill for being a better coach and thinking ahead of the game?

recording anothers team practice is not cheating, its trying to win.

False start penalties are cheating if you want to look at it that way.

Why not create a holy storm when a cb drags down a wr just to stop him from catching a pass.

thats cheating, but because they get a few yards on a flag we forgive.

yes some smart a%% comments by myself, but its needed in a horrible thread like this.

This thread is horrible but "recording another team practice is not cheating" is an incorrect statement and the Patriots were fined heavily for it. Players/teams are not fined for false start penalties. Not that any of that had anything to do with last night, which was just a good old drubbing.

I know there's a lot of stupid in all these Pats bashing threads, but the Patriots were never accused of, and certainly never fined for filming ay teams practices. But go ahead and live in your ignorant little hate world.

Not quite sure I understand this. Are you saying the below didn't happen?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338

Belichick draws $500,000 fine, but avoids suspension

EmailPrintComments

ESPN.com news services

NEW YORK -- New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.

Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up its first-round draft choice next year if it reaches the playoffs this season, or its second- and third-round picks if it misses the postseason.

"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell said in a letter to the Patriots.

The videotaping came to light after a camera was confiscated from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 win last Sunday at Giants Stadium. Goodell will not change the outcome of the game.

Goodell said he had considered suspending Belichick but didn't "largely because I believe that the discipline I am imposing of a maximum fine and forfeiture of a first-round draft choice, or multiple draft choices, is in fact more significant and long-lasting, and therefore more effective, than a suspension."

Clayton: Penalty Too Light

Bill Belichick and his team deserved a much stiffer penalty than the fines and loss of picks they got for spying on the Jets. Story

Instead, Goodell imposed the biggest fine ever on a coach -- it represents 12 percent of Belichick's scheduled 2007 salary, which is believed to be $4.2 million -- and took away a first-round draft pick as a penalty for the first time in NFL history.

Where is the part about filming a practice? The Patriots were fined for having a camera on their sideline during the playing of a game, a practice expressly forbidden by the NFL. They weren't fined for filming signals and they sure as hell weren't fined for filming practices.Maybe you missed this part of the story.

On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots [team stats]’ video staff taped the St. Louis Rams’ walkthrough on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008, report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed.

Prior to the publication of its Feb. 2, 2008, article, the Boston Herald neither possessed nor viewed a tape of the Rams’ walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI, nor did we speak to anyone who had. We should not have published the allegation in the absence of firmer verification.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

The original post was just pointing out that Spygate tarnished the man in the hoodie. What used to be a comment on his greatness (game planning, and adjustments) has turned into suspicion and raised eyebrows. It didn't help that after the scandal the Pats started to hit bumps in the road through the playoffs that they hadn't seen before. It's just meaningless coincidence that they ended their playoff drought after bringing back McDaniel's (who obviously had his own spy scandal independent of the Pats) but it is fun to play with.

That said, I think those of you who suggest that bringing McDaniels back was nothing more than a move to bring in next year's OC are being pretty naive. McDaniels is a big boy, who obviously has had a ton of success with the Pats. He certainly doesn't need a few weeks under O'Brien to see how the offense works. This is a "what can you do for me NOW" league - no one in this league brings someone in on payroll just to give him some sort of integrated opportunity to watch and learn with no responsibilities. No, the Pats are most certainly getting something from this. I don't think that they brought him in for the Broncos. The Pats were OK on that one without him, and I don't think McDaniels knows enough of the current Broncos to be any kind of advantage. I think they brought him in for just about everyone else they might see in the playoffs, especially in the NFC (Packers, 49ers, Saints, Giants) but also Steelers and Ravens. Ironically he has had to game plan for all of these teams, and he brings a specific set of knowledge to the table. (it would be too easy to insert a joke about that knowledge being his spy tapes, but that's going overboard).

Oy, why do I bother?I agree with the 2nd portion of your post. The Broncos fired Mcdaniels 3/4 of the way through the 2010 season and the Pats re-hired him in 2012 because their OC is leaving. As if they needed Mcdaniels to beat Den; Much ado about nothing....

I don't think you are a hater (and this isn't really directed at you), but in the 1st portion of your post I see you are using some of the haters reasoning. I agree that Spygate is a wart that will never go away and the haters will make of it what they will. However, when you (and others) say It didn't help that after the scandal the Pats started to hit bumps in the road through the playoffs that they hadn't seen before. are you implying that since they stopped taping opponents DEFENSIVE signals they aren't as good?

If that is what you and others are claiming then can someone explain the unprecedented 18-0, NFL record for most points in a season, extremely prolific and sustained offense, not to mention 2 Brady MVPs; all of which occured AFTER the so called scandal? If their offense gained such an advantage from the taping, why has their offense been demonstrably better (by leaps and bounds) now that they don't have that big advantage that the conspiracy theorists allege?

You can make the arguement that NEs def hasn't been as good (it hasn't) since the taping, but you sure as hell can't make the arguement that their offense hasn't. How exactly was the taping helping their D?

NE has not won a championship since the taping primarily for the same reasons the Saints and the Packers lost this week. Weak D, talented opponents who matched up well, were highly motivated and peaking at the right time. That and Brady blowing out his knee have all contributed to lack of playoff success. All the conspiracy stuff is a just a load of crap that makes little or no sense. They haters cling to it because that is all they got to go along with their bitterness toward NEs sucess.

 

[OnTheReg]

"Wahhhhh the Pats are cheaters of the league, Wahhhhh"

You guys sound like bitter little girls sometimes. Spygate was years ago, they paid the price for it. McDaniels was brought in this week, and would have been regardless of whether they were playing a team he coached over a year ago. If that was cheating then why did the NFL allow it? Get over it people.

 

[OnTheReg]

The original post was just pointing out that Spygate tarnished the man in the hoodie. What used to be a comment on his greatness (game planning, and adjustments) has turned into suspicion and raised eyebrows. It didn't help that after the scandal the Pats started to hit bumps in the road through the playoffs that they hadn't seen before. It's just meaningless coincidence that they ended their playoff drought after bringing back McDaniel's (who obviously had his own spy scandal independent of the Pats) but it is fun to play with.

That said, I think those of you who suggest that bringing McDaniels back was nothing more than a move to bring in next year's OC are being pretty naive. McDaniels is a big boy, who obviously has had a ton of success with the Pats. He certainly doesn't need a few weeks under O'Brien to see how the offense works. This is a "what can you do for me NOW" league - no one in this league brings someone in on payroll just to give him some sort of integrated opportunity to watch and learn with no responsibilities. No, the Pats are most certainly getting something from this. I don't think that they brought him in for the Broncos. The Pats were OK on that one without him, and I don't think McDaniels knows enough of the current Broncos to be any kind of advantage. I think they brought him in for just about everyone else they might see in the playoffs, especially in the NFC (Packers, 49ers, Saints, Giants) but also Steelers and Ravens. Ironically he has had to game plan for all of these teams, and he brings a specific set of knowledge to the table. (it would be too easy to insert a joke about that knowledge being his spy tapes, but that's going overboard).

Oy, why do I bother?I agree with the 2nd portion of your post. The Broncos fired Mcdaniels 3/4 of the way through the 2010 season and the Pats re-hired him in 2012 because their OC is leaving. As if they needed Mcdaniels to beat Den; Much ado about nothing....

I don't think you are a hater (and this isn't really directed at you), but in the 1st portion of your post I see you are using some of the haters reasoning. I agree that Spygate is a wart that will never go away and the haters will make of it what they will. However, when you (and others) say It didn't help that after the scandal the Pats started to hit bumps in the road through the playoffs that they hadn't seen before. are you implying that since they stopped taping opponents DEFENSIVE signals they aren't as good?

If that is what you and others are claiming then can someone explain the unprecedented 18-0, NFL record for most points in a season, extremely prolific and sustained offense, not to mention 2 Brady MVPs; all of which occured AFTER the so called scandal? If their offense gained such an advantage from the taping, why has their offense been demonstrably better (by leaps and bounds) now that they don't have that big advantage that the conspiracy theorists allege?

You can make the arguement that NEs def hasn't been as good (it hasn't) since the taping, but you sure as hell can't make the arguement that their offense hasn't. How exactly was the taping helping their D?

NE has not won a championship since the taping primarily for the same reasons the Saints and the Packers lost this week. Weak D, talented opponents who matched up well, were highly motivated and peaking at the right time. That and Brady blowing out his knee have all contributed to lack of playoff success. All the conspiracy stuff is a just a load of crap that makes little or no sense. They haters cling to it because that is all they got to go along with their bitterness toward NEs sucess.

 

[todisco1]

cheating = trying to win

looking back to spygate?

really gettin on bill for being a better coach and thinking ahead of the game?

recording anothers team practice is not cheating, its trying to win.

False start penalties are cheating if you want to look at it that way.

Why not create a holy storm when a cb drags down a wr just to stop him from catching a pass.

thats cheating, but because they get a few yards on a flag we forgive.

yes some smart a%% comments by myself, but its needed in a horrible thread like this.

This thread is horrible but "recording another team practice is not cheating" is an incorrect statement and the Patriots were fined heavily for it. Players/teams are not fined for false start penalties. Not that any of that had anything to do with last night, which was just a good old drubbing.

I know there's a lot of stupid in all these Pats bashing threads, but the Patriots were never accused of, and certainly never fined for filming ay teams practices. But go ahead and live in your ignorant little hate world.

Not quite sure I understand this. Are you saying the below didn't happen?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338

Belichick draws $500,000 fine, but avoids suspension

EmailPrintComments

ESPN.com news services

NEW YORK -- New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.

Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up its first-round draft choice next year if it reaches the playoffs this season, or its second- and third-round picks if it misses the postseason.

"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell said in a letter to the Patriots.

The videotaping came to light after a camera was confiscated from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 win last Sunday at Giants Stadium. Goodell will not change the outcome of the game.

Goodell said he had considered suspending Belichick but didn't "largely because I believe that the discipline I am imposing of a maximum fine and forfeiture of a first-round draft choice, or multiple draft choices, is in fact more significant and long-lasting, and therefore more effective, than a suspension."

Clayton: Penalty Too Light

Bill Belichick and his team deserved a much stiffer penalty than the fines and loss of picks they got for spying on the Jets. Story

Instead, Goodell imposed the biggest fine ever on a coach -- it represents 12 percent of Belichick's scheduled 2007 salary, which is believed to be $4.2 million -- and took away a first-round draft pick as a penalty for the first time in NFL history.

Where is the part about filming a practice? The Patriots were fined for having a camera on their sideline during the playing of a game, a practice expressly forbidden by the NFL. They weren't fined for filming signals and they sure as hell weren't fined for filming practices.Maybe you missed this part of the story.

On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots [team stats]’ video staff taped the St. Louis Rams’ walkthrough on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008, report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed.

Prior to the publication of its Feb. 2, 2008, article, the Boston Herald neither possessed nor viewed a tape of the Rams’ walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI, nor did we speak to anyone who had. We should not have published the allegation in the absence of firmer verification.

I stand corrected. They cheated in other ways and were fined heavily for it. Sorry I mentioned the "practice" taping when they were actually caught for something else. I'm not even against the Patriots, I think they're a terrific team, but they broke the rules and were caught and paid a big price.

 

[Carver]

The original post was just pointing out that Spygate tarnished the man in the hoodie. What used to be a comment on his greatness (game planning, and adjustments) has turned into suspicion and raised eyebrows. It didn't help that after the scandal the Pats started to hit bumps in the road through the playoffs that they hadn't seen before. It's just meaningless coincidence that they ended their playoff drought after bringing back McDaniel's (who obviously had his own spy scandal independent of the Pats) but it is fun to play with.

That said, I think those of you who suggest that bringing McDaniels back was nothing more than a move to bring in next year's OC are being pretty naive. McDaniels is a big boy, who obviously has had a ton of success with the Pats. He certainly doesn't need a few weeks under O'Brien to see how the offense works. This is a "what can you do for me NOW" league - no one in this league brings someone in on payroll just to give him some sort of integrated opportunity to watch and learn with no responsibilities. No, the Pats are most certainly getting something from this. I don't think that they brought him in for the Broncos. The Pats were OK on that one without him, and I don't think McDaniels knows enough of the current Broncos to be any kind of advantage. I think they brought him in for just about everyone else they might see in the playoffs, especially in the NFC (Packers, 49ers, Saints, Giants) but also Steelers and Ravens. Ironically he has had to game plan for all of these teams, and he brings a specific set of knowledge to the table. (it would be too easy to insert a joke about that knowledge being his spy tapes, but that's going overboard).

Oy, why do I bother?I agree with the 2nd portion of your post. The Broncos fired Mcdaniels 3/4 of the way through the 2010 season and the Pats re-hired him in 2012 because their OC is leaving. As if they needed Mcdaniels to beat Den; Much ado about nothing....

I don't think you are a hater (and this isn't really directed at you), but in the 1st portion of your post I see you are using some of the haters reasoning. I agree that Spygate is a wart that will never go away and the haters will make of it what they will. However, when you (and others) say It didn't help that after the scandal the Pats started to hit bumps in the road through the playoffs that they hadn't seen before. are you implying that since they stopped taping opponents DEFENSIVE signals they aren't as good?

If that is what you and others are claiming then can someone explain the unprecedented 18-0, NFL record for most points in a season, extremely prolific and sustained offense, not to mention 2 Brady MVPs; all of which occured AFTER the so called scandal? If their offense gained such an advantage from the taping, why has their offense been demonstrably better (by leaps and bounds) now that they don't have that big advantage that the conspiracy theorists allege?

You can make the arguement that NEs def hasn't been as good (it hasn't) since the taping, but you sure as hell can't make the arguement that their offense hasn't. How exactly was the taping helping their D?

NE has not won a championship since the taping primarily for the same reasons the Saints and the Packers lost this week. Weak D, talented opponents who matched up well, were highly motivated and peaking at the right time. That and Brady blowing out his knee have all contributed to lack of playoff success. All the conspiracy stuff is a just a load of crap that makes little or no sense. They haters cling to it because that is all they got to go along with their bitterness toward NEs sucess.

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