The Put A Fork in Michael Turner thread (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

In the past this is a game where Turner would feast for 20+ touches, 100+ yards and at least a score. With a 20 point lead most of the game to come out with a stat line of 11 for 32 is alarming, especially when thw guy the team has been raving about gets 7 carries. To me it just doesn't seem like he fits in the up tempo passing offense and stat lines like this will be the norm. Granted he will certainly get some tds but that will be the only real value I see going forward.

Sig always talks about new realities and I believe this is one. To me it looks like Turner is done and it's a timeshare at worst. This is one situation where the alarm bells have been ringing and it probably makes sense to jump ship and get Quizz in a trade add on in as many leagues as possible.

Or maybe I'm completely overreacting to one game where the team had a big lead and they are staying true to their word and looking to save him since they didn't need him.

Thoughts?

 

[Warpig]

He can't be done. Someone just traded Ryan Mathews for him and Tavaris Jackson in one of my leagues.

They've been saying all offseason not to be surprised at this. Between turner being 30, being ran into the ground, and the offensive philosophy switch, this was to be expected. With that said, I would not be surprised in the least if he goes for 200 yards and 2 TDs next week.

 

[need2know]

He can't be done. Someone just traded Ryan Mathews for him and Tavaris Jackson in one of my leagues. They've been saying all offseason not to be surprised at this. Between turner being 30, being ran into the ground, and the offensive philosophy switch, this was to be expected. With that said, I would not be surprised in the least if he goes for 200 yards and 2 TDs next week.

hes not going to be consistent anymore but I still think hes an above average rb2. hes going to have some big games and still end up with 1000+ and 10 tds. mark it down

 

[habsfan]

He can't be done. Someone just traded Ryan Mathews for him and Tavaris Jackson in one of my leagues.

They've been saying all offseason not to be surprised at this. Between turner being 30, being ran into the ground, and the offensive philosophy switch, this was to be expected. With that said, I would not be surprised in the least if he goes for 200 yards and 2 TDs next week.

This is what I was thinking. The truth is somewhere between "done" and "business as usual" but Rodgers has been highly visible for years and among the first "handcuffs" to come off the board this year. If you keep taking guys like this anticipating the changing of the guard, eventually you'll be right.

 

[zamboni]

I think he'll have a decent season stats wise, but mainly as a compiler and through goal line TDs.

As long as the Falcons are in games and the offense is humming - which looks to be a decent possibility - he'll still get his 20+ carries as the pounder, but could see a lot of 20-62-2 games.

 

[need2know]

I think he'll have a decent season stats wise, but mainly as a compiler and through goal line TDs.As long as the Falcons are in games and the offense is humming - which looks to be a decent possibility - he'll still get his 20+ carries as the pounder, but could see a lot of 20-62-2 games.

which seems like a pretty good rb2 to me. those that took him in the second round wont be happy, but if you got him later in the fourth or fifth you will take that all day

 

[mr roboto]

Lol at 'he's done. Compiler who will get 1000k and 10'

Yea. Perfect for a 3rd rd RB. See also Greene, Wells.

 

[bigmarc27]

He's not done. The game was in hand so they gave Quizz some work.

He will have reduced stats but it's not that he's any worse off - he needs to pound the ball and wear defenses down and I don't think that fits the philosophy of the falcons anymore.

 

[zandbak]

The game was in hand so they gave Quizz some work.

That kinda goes against the argument that, because ATL is up big in the 2nd half, they'll actually give it to Turner more.

 

[DoubleG]

The game was in hand so they gave Quizz some work.

That kinda goes against the argument that, because ATL is up big in the 2nd half, they'll actually give it to Turner more.

I think the "done" sid eof the argument may be overstating it. But I do think the Atlanta RB situation seems to headed toward a full blown RBBC. With the offense's stronger focus on the passing game and their relulctance to use Turner as a receiver out of the backfield, while he isn't "done" - his viability as a starting FF RB might be slipping away...quickly.If you drafted him as an RB2, I think it might be a tough season. If you drafted him as an RB3/flex type fill-in, you'll be alright.While someone ealrier in the thread posted something about statlines of 20-62-2, that staline doesn't look nearly as impressive with Quizz eating a handful of those carries and an occasional TD. 14-42-1 aint gonna win you too many games.

 

[Sinrman]

The game was in hand so they gave Quizz some work.

That kinda goes against the argument that, because ATL is up big in the 2nd half, they'll actually give it to Turner more.

Not necessarily. Turner is 30 now and starting to get some wear on the tires. They will try and keep him as fresh as possible for the duration of the season. Theyare definitely considered a playoff contender, so they want all pieces available then. You have the game in hand, so why risk an injury to your starting RB? Give othersa chance, and less wear-and-tear on your starting RB. Pretty smart, if you ask me...Now to the original poster's summation. I don't think Turner is done. Do I think he'll get 1300+ yards and 12+ TDs? Definitely not. He will have games like yesterdayand some that he will blow up. I think 1000+ yards and 9-10 TDs is well within the realm of possibility. I would hope no one drafted him thinking he was going to compilestats like 2-3 years ago... the writing was on the wall all offseason.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I drafted him 4th round as RB2. I'm not happy, but not giving up yet. I admit I was influenced by him getting some receptions in pre-season and my the new OC having been in JAx with MJD before this.

 

[Banger]

Turners last 8 starts....

19-60 (3.15)

14-44 (3.14)

21-76 (3.61)

19-61-1 (3.62)

11-39 (3.54)

17-172-2 (10)

15-41 (2.73)

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11-32 (2.9)

 

[Hoosier16]

Turners last 8 starts....19-60 (3.15)14-44 (3.14)21-76 (3.61)19-61-1 (3.62)11-39 (3.54)17-172-2 (10)15-41 (2.73)------------11-32 (2.9)

The reason he isn't done is that Rodgers doesn't seem to have the ability to capitalize on it. Here are his last 8 games:3-19-0 (6.33)1-0-0 (0)1-4-0 (4)8-10-0 (1.25)1-(-1)-0 (-1)8-24-0 (3)0-0-0 (0)---------7-22-0 (3.14)

 

[FavreCo]

Oh he's done but I am questioning if Rodgers is the answer. As a Ryan owner, I welcome 3 ypc from every and any ATL RB. Just throw it, baby.

 

[Banger]

Turners last 8 starts....19-60 (3.15)14-44 (3.14)21-76 (3.61)19-61-1 (3.62)11-39 (3.54)17-172-2 (10)15-41 (2.73)------------11-32 (2.9)

The reason he isn't done is that Rodgers doesn't seem to have the ability to capitalize on it. Here are his last 8 games:3-19-0 (6.33)1-0-0 (0)1-4-0 (4)8-10-0 (1.25)1-(-1)-0 (-1)8-24-0 (3)0-0-0 (0)---------7-22-0 (3.14)

for Quizz, I think you can throw last season out because so much has changed, in both the offense and the teams feelings about him. The team is obviously disregarding those stats because game 1 he got as many touches as he had in any of games you posted. The touch split between he and Turner game 1 was 55%/45% in a game that should have been tailor made for Turner to put up some gaudy stats.At the end of the day, Quizz may not be able to capitalize on the opportunity but it looks as if the team will give him every opportunity to do so. For someone who grabbed Quizz as a RB5, that's all you can hope for coming out of week 1.

 

[CrazyFox]

Turners last 8 starts....19-60 (3.15)14-44 (3.14)21-76 (3.61)19-61-1 (3.62)11-39 (3.54)17-172-2 (10)15-41 (2.73)------------11-32 (2.9)

The reason he isn't done is that Rodgers doesn't seem to have the ability to capitalize on it. Here are his last 8 games:3-19-0 (6.33)1-0-0 (0)1-4-0 (4)8-10-0 (1.25)1-(-1)-0 (-1)8-24-0 (3)0-0-0 (0)---------7-22-0 (3.14)

I don't think that says a whole lot as to his ability to capitalize...seeing as he only got more than 3 carries in 2 of those games. It looks like they might start giving Quizz more of a shot to prove himself this year. Whether he can or not, I don't know. I do know that all last season there were many who were saying Turner was finished...but he just kept plodding along slowly to some good numbers. It's possible he does the same again this year.

 

[FF Ninja]

Turners last 8 starts....19-60 (3.15)14-44 (3.14)21-76 (3.61)19-61-1 (3.62)11-39 (3.54)17-172-2 (10)15-41 (2.73)------------11-32 (2.9)

The reason he isn't done is that Rodgers doesn't seem to have the ability to capitalize on it. Here are his last 8 games:3-19-0 (6.33)1-0-0 (0)1-4-0 (4)8-10-0 (1.25)1-(-1)-0 (-1)8-24-0 (3)0-0-0 (0)---------7-22-0 (3.14)

This is what I was thinking, too. Sure, Turner got 11 carries @ 2.9 ypc, but Quizz got 7 carries @ 3.1 ypc. Looking a bit deeper, five of those seven came in the 4th quarter when they appear to have taken Turner out. So when the game was within two scores, the split was 11-2.I don't own either in even a single league. It is tempting to buy Turner low, though.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The game was in hand so they gave Quizz some work.

That kinda goes against the argument that, because ATL is up big in the 2nd half, they'll actually give it to Turner more.

It also has a lot to do with kc d injurie. The game plan was pass pass pass. That tends itself to more quizzes time than turner time.

 

[bweiser]

as a turner owner it's not quizz who scares me. it's the OC, Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez. this is now a pass-first team.

 

[Warrior]

You're delusional if you think he's not "done" or that he'll be a solid RB2/RB3.

Sell him for pennies on the dollar if possible. He's going to put up Shonn Greene stats this season. He wouldn't even sniff the flex spot in my 12-team PPR lineup.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

as a turner owner it's not quizz who scares me. it's the OC, Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez. this is now a pass-first team.

Particularly your first statement.His yard/carries will be down, but I expect his # of TD's to save his RB2 value. (Even if it's lower level RB2 value)

 

[David Yudkin]

We could do the last 8 games thing all day. For example, here's the last 8 games of a WR . . .

2-17-0

3-38-2

4-57-0

5-66-0

4-82-0

1-11-0

3-26-0

4-37-1

26-334-3

And this is the last 8 games for a TE . . .

6-60-0

5-75-0

3-21-0

4-39-0

5-156-1

2-52-1

6-86-1

4-65-0

35-554-3

Yet the WR is widely regarded as a WR1 in 12 team leagues while the TE is usually considered a TE2 and still flies under the radar.

 

[Banger]

We could do the last 8 games thing all day. For example, here's the last 8 games of a WR . . .2-17-03-38-24-57-05-66-04-82-01-11-03-26-04-37-126-334-3And this is the last 8 games for a TE . . .6-60-05-75-03-21-04-39-05-156-12-52-16-86-14-65-035-554-3Yet the WR is widely regarded as a WR1 in 12 team leagues while the TE is usually considered a TE2 and still flies under the radar.

Stats in a vacuum are one thing but when the coach talks about a player wearing down and wanting to get them less carries so they'll be fresher for the playoffs and then you look at how he performed down the stretch you can put 1 and 1 together. This isn't just me or you saying it and when you look at Turners stats last year it backs the coaches comments. To me that raised major alarms, then you factor the age, the staff raving about Quizz and the emphasis on a more passing oriented offense (which he clearly doesn't fit) all to me indicate a much reduced role. I didn't start with an 8 game datapoint and come up with a conclusion, I had a bunch of observations and the 8 games was just another piece of the puzzle.

 

[DoubleG]

Oh he's done but I am questioning if Rodgers is the answer. As a Ryan owner, I welcome 3 ypc from every and any ATL RB. Just throw it, baby.

First time I have ever agreed with anything you've posted. Ever.

 

[FavreCo]

Oh he's done but I am questioning if Rodgers is the answer. As a Ryan owner, I welcome 3 ypc from every and any ATL RB. Just throw it, baby.

First time I have ever agreed with anything you've posted. Ever.

MWAHAAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

[FF Ninja]

We could do the last 8 games thing all day. For example, here's the last 8 games of a WR . . .2-17-03-38-24-57-05-66-04-82-01-11-03-26-04-37-126-334-3And this is the last 8 games for a TE . . .6-60-05-75-03-21-04-39-05-156-12-52-16-86-14-65-035-554-3Yet the WR is widely regarded as a WR1 in 12 team leagues while the TE is usually considered a TE2 and still flies under the radar.

Nice statistics riddle! I had to cheat. For those who are curious: Wallace & Celek

 

[bumpman]

The Turner is done mantra has been going the last several seasons. Perhaps they are right this year, but Turner proved them wrong last year. In a big way.

By the way, Turner's best games are normally home games. Last season he had a few away games (11-20-0 @TB; 14-44-0 @HOU; 11-39-0 @NO) that were similarly bad to this past KC game.

 

[FarEastKilla]

The Turner is done mantra has been going the last several seasons. Perhaps they are right this year, but Turner proved them wrong last year. In a big way.By the way, Turner's best games are normally home games. Last season he had a few away games (11-20-0 @TB; 14-44-0 @HOU; 11-39-0 @NO) that were similarly bad to this past KC game.

That's because he is excited about the "all you can eat" Georgia dome's triple Chili double chess nachos during half time at a home game.