The R.I.P. thread (1 Viewer)

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There are certain players who are DONE as fantasy studs. With the continuous emergence of talented rookies, as well as the propensity of NFL coaches to use two backs, a guy can go from a top 5 pick to an also-ran very quickly.

Here's my list of guys who you might want to dump if you're in a dynasty league, because their value is headed to zero quickly.

LT-- I'll get the most flack from this one, as he'll probably be a top ten draft pick next year. But it will be name only. He's done. Next year he'll only be a year older, and running backs don't get better with age. In fairness he'll probably be worth a 2nd or 3rd next year, but if you're in a dynasty, you might can still get a good deal for him by trading him to a clueless owner.

Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age. His days of being a top 10 RB are forever gone.

McGahee--I think the Orange Bowl injury did him in. Never the same, and once he took hits for a few years in the NFL, he's become pretty average. Still young enough to possibly have a decent season or two in a "comeback" year.

Edgerrin--Probably pretty obvious. But still, it's over. His fantasy value is ZERO.

Two I'm struggling with:

Torry Holt

Chad Johnson

I think Ocho still has the potential for a bounceback. But is anyone going to sign him and make him their number 1? I just wonder if all his baggage has caught up to him.

And Holt to me looks done, but he still is at an age where 1-2 year comeback is possible.

Any to add?

 

[PatrickT]

I could be proven wrong, but I think rumors of LT's death have been greatly exaggerated. If talk like this keeps up, I'll be looking at him for some great second round value. That whole team's on a downswing and could bounce back next year if they can get healthy.

 

[The_Fonz]

Joey Galloway

Daunte Culpepper

 

[LOCO]

TO. he is not getting any younger and he is a headcase.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I could be proven wrong, but I think rumors of LT's death have been greatly exaggerated. If talk like this keeps up, I'll be looking at him for some great second round value. That whole team's on a downswing and could bounce back next year if they can get healthy.

Here's the truth that nobody talks about...LT's production decline is more to do with the loss of Lorenzo Neal than with his age or his toe.

 

[Kiddnets]

I dont know about RIP but I would havea tough time drafting any of these guys next year except in late rds-

Palmer

Delhome

Willis

Braylon

LJ

CJ

Roy Williams

 

[switz]

There are certain players who are DONE as fantasy studs. With the continuous emergence of talented rookies, as well as the propensity of NFL coaches to use two backs, a guy can go from a top 5 pick to an also-ran very quickly.Here's my list of guys who you might want to dump if you're in a dynasty league, because their value is headed to zero quickly.LT-- I'll get the most flack from this one, as he'll probably be a top ten draft pick next year. But it will be name only. He's done. Next year he'll only be a year older, and running backs don't get better with age. In fairness he'll probably be worth a 2nd or 3rd next year, but if you're in a dynasty, you might can still get a good deal for him by trading him to a clueless owner.

I'm not sure what to think of LT's future. The end of last season and this season with this season leave much to be negative about. But Emmitt, who LT is frequently compared to (though I think LT is far better than Emmitt ever was), had a really bad season, then came back for a few good years, though I agree, not top-5 anymore.

Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age. His days of being a top 10 RB are forever gone.

Guy is in his third season... there are a LOT of RBs who struggled early in a career, but showed flashes of talent, and when on to be great.Also, if you're going to put LT on this list, you have to put SJax on this list as well.

McGahee--I think the Orange Bowl injury did him in. Never the same, and once he took hits for a few years in the NFL, he's become pretty average. Still young enough to possibly have a decent season or two in a "comeback" year.

McGahee just doesn't have enough desire to be a great RB, despite the natural ability.

Edgerrin--Probably pretty obvious. But still, it's over. His fantasy value is ZERO.

Depends on where he goes.

Two I'm struggling with:Torry HoltChad JohnsonI think Ocho still has the potential for a bounceback. But is anyone going to sign him and make him their number 1? I just wonder if all his baggage has caught up to him.And Holt to me looks done, but he still is at an age where 1-2 year comeback is possible.

I agree on both of these....I would say on this list, if we're talking about RBs that won't be top 5, you have to add:Westbrook - too many injuries in his career, he's getting older not youngerBarber - won't be top-5 this season, and it was his best shot. Moving forward he'll be in an RBBC.SJax - as mentioned aboveIn your post you said value headed to zero - I don't think any of the RBs above are headed to zero value... just much lower than where they were valued this year

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Also, if you're going to put LT on this list, you have to put SJax on this list as well.

Disagree.I don't have either on this list just yet,but we are talking about LT who is pushing 30and SJax who is still only 25.I can't see how SJax can be on this list at all.

 

[Tong Po]

Not sure Willis McGahee was ever really a FANTASY STUD.

As a fantasy RB.... he's had 2 (barely) Top 10 finishes in his 6 year career.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Marc Bulger is doner than done.

All those injuries may have finally caught up to Todd Heap.

Fred Taylor's finished. This injury just made it more official.

Even before his foolishness Plaxico Burress was a limited threat. It goes without saying but he's done.

Willie Parker's been beat down this season. Rashard Mendenhall will take away his remaining fantasy value.

2007 was Jamal Lewis' last hurrah. He's bad now and it'll only get worse.

Chris Chambers was always overrated but at least he had some fantasy value. No longer.

 

[Raider Nation]

Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age.

He's 25.

 

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Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age.

:( He's 25.

He's still getting older and the point is that he's not improving.It's all downhill for Addai from here on out. The Colts will look to bring in more help at RB in the off-season. Addai is also very injury prone, a trait that follows him from LSU on. I think he was a very average RB who benefitted from coming to an explosive offense. Now that the offense has been grounded, his lack of talent is becoming apparent.

 

[Matozzo]

I agree fully on Adai. The Indy RB spot has never been filled by a great RB. However, Edge was definitely a great fit when the offensive line was unbelievable.

Adai was a guy that would fit in the same system. As we are seeing, anyone that has played RB in INdy over the last couple of years has been good but not great, ie Keith and now back to Rhodes. What did Rhodes do in Oak, nothing (although I know he was hurt). My point is that Adai does not appear to be any better of a natural runner than Rhodes or even a guy like Keith.

 

[identikit]

There are certain players who are DONE as fantasy studs. With the continuous emergence of talented rookies, as well as the propensity of NFL coaches to use two backs, a guy can go from a top 5 pick to an also-ran very quickly.

Here's my list of guys who you might want to dump if you're in a dynasty league, because their value is headed to zero quickly.

LT-- I'll get the most flack from this one, as he'll probably be a top ten draft pick next year. But it will be name only. He's done. Next year he'll only be a year older, and running backs don't get better with age. In fairness he'll probably be worth a 2nd or 3rd next year, but if you're in a dynasty, you might can still get a good deal for him by trading him to a clueless owner.

I'm not sure what to think of LT's future. The end of last season and this season with this season leave much to be negative about. But Emmitt, who LT is frequently compared to (though I think LT is far better than Emmitt ever was), had a really bad season, then came back for a few good years, though I agree, not top-5 anymore.

Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age. His days of being a top 10 RB are forever gone.

Guy is in his third season... there are a LOT of RBs who struggled early in a career, but showed flashes of talent, and when on to be great.Also, if you're going to put LT on this list, you have to put SJax on this list as well.

McGahee--I think the Orange Bowl injury did him in. Never the same, and once he took hits for a few years in the NFL, he's become pretty average. Still young enough to possibly have a decent season or two in a "comeback" year.

McGahee just doesn't have enough desire to be a great RB, despite the natural ability.

Edgerrin--Probably pretty obvious. But still, it's over. His fantasy value is ZERO.

Depends on where he goes.

Two I'm struggling with:

Torry Holt

Chad Johnson

I think Ocho still has the potential for a bounceback. But is anyone going to sign him and make him their number 1? I just wonder if all his baggage has caught up to him.

And Holt to me looks done, but he still is at an age where 1-2 year comeback is possible.

I agree on both of these....I would say on this list, if we're talking about RBs that won't be top 5, you have to add:

Westbrook - too many injuries in his career, he's getting older not younger

Barber - won't be top-5 this season, and it was his best shot. Moving forward he'll be in an RBBC.

SJax - as mentioned above

In your post you said value headed to zero - I don't think any of the RBs above are headed to zero value... just much lower than where they were valued this year

Now there's a bold statement...

 

[fantasyplayer]

Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age.

He's 25.

He's still getting older and the point is that he's not improving.It's all downhill for Addai from here on out. The Colts will look to bring in more help at RB in the off-season. Addai is also very injury prone, a trait that follows him from LSU on.

I think he was a very average RB who benefitted from coming to an explosive offense. Now that the offense has been grounded, his lack of talent is becoming apparent.

Who isn't?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Barber - won't be top-5 this season, and it was his best shot. Moving forward he'll be in an RBBC.SJax - as mentioned above

Neither of these belong in an RIP thread (and nor does Addai for that matter).and at your bias against MB3 - he's 7th in PPG.

 

[Ariakis]

Gates as anything other than a low TE1

 

[Riffraff]

Gates as anything other than a low TE1

You really believe that Gates is the 10th to 12th best TE? That's a TE1 depending upon size of league.I'll assume you mean lower Tier 1 TE. That I can sort of understand. #3 TE in my non-PPR and #5 in my PPR leagues.

 

[switz]

Barber - won't be top-5 this season, and it was his best shot. Moving forward he'll be in an RBBC.

SJax - as mentioned above

Neither of these belong in an RIP thread (and nor does Addai for that matter).and at your bias against MB3 - he's 7th in PPG.

PPR maybe, but I don't usually play in PPR leagues. Anyway, 7th is still not top-5, and this was his best shot at it, since you can be guaranteed next year Jones and Choice both see the field more, and Barber's attempts go down.Like I also stated, I didn't feel any of the players the OP mentioned were really RIP candidates, unless he was using top-5 as his barometer.

Notice what I wrote:

I would say on this list, if we're talking about RBs that won't be top 5, you have to add:

 

[Ariakis]

Gates as anything other than a low TE1

I read a good article on TE's recently where one of the major factors in a good fantasy TE is that his team doesn't have more than one WR that receives consistent targets. With Floyd, Chambers, and VJ I suspect we'll be seeing less of Gates in the future. Tony G (Bowe) and Witten (TO) lack a 2nd WR receiving targets. Daniels seems to fluctuate up as Walter or AJ cycle down. With TE's being left in to block more and more I would have a hard time taking him as an elite TE as of now. That doesn't mean he isn't TE4 or TE5 but that TE4 through TE12 are very similar.

 

[Rev]

Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age. His days of being a top 10 RB are forever gone.

A) He's never been that good?-2 out of 3 seasons with 1000 yards and 40 receptions, one of which with 15 total TDs, is pretty solid in my book.

B) He's getting worse with age?

-Certainly NFL age is much more rapid than real life, but it's way extreme to say that a 3rd year player who's only in his 2nd year as a starter, is getting worse with age... especially when he has amassed the kind of stats as below:

2008 Indianapolis Colts 154 540 3.5 AVG 5 TD 23 151 1 TD

2007 Indianapolis Colts 261 1,072 4.1 AVG 12 TD 41 364 3 TD

2006 Indianapolis Colts 226 1,081 4.8 AVG 7 TD 40 325 1 TD

Maybe the Colts continue to decline, and Addai with them, and maybe they bring in a new, flashy RB to save the day. But Addai is still young and early in his career, and he's on a team that has struggled in a way that they haven't for a long time, which is going to show through in this season's rushing stats.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

There are certain players who are DONE as fantasy studs. With the continuous emergence of talented rookies, as well as the propensity of NFL coaches to use two backs, a guy can go from a top 5 pick to an also-ran very quickly.Here's my list of guys who you might want to dump if you're in a dynasty league, because their value is headed to zero quickly.LT-- I'll get the most flack from this one, as he'll probably be a top ten draft pick next year. But it will be name only. He's done. Next year he'll only be a year older, and running backs don't get better with age. In fairness he'll probably be worth a 2nd or 3rd next year, but if you're in a dynasty, you might can still get a good deal for him by trading him to a clueless owner.Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age. His days of being a top 10 RB are forever gone.McGahee--I think the Orange Bowl injury did him in. Never the same, and once he took hits for a few years in the NFL, he's become pretty average. Still young enough to possibly have a decent season or two in a "comeback" year.Edgerrin--Probably pretty obvious. But still, it's over. His fantasy value is ZERO.Two I'm struggling with:Torry HoltChad JohnsonI think Ocho still has the potential for a bounceback. But is anyone going to sign him and make him their number 1? I just wonder if all his baggage has caught up to him.And Holt to me looks done, but he still is at an age where 1-2 year comeback is possible.Any to add?

Disagree on the death of LT. as a top 5 for sure. But his ability to catch out of the backfield should make him a viable 2nd/late first pick next year. Especially if the start working on more 2 back sets with him and sproles.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

There are certain players who are DONE as fantasy studs. With the continuous emergence of talented rookies, as well as the propensity of NFL coaches to use two backs, a guy can go from a top 5 pick to an also-ran very quickly.Here's my list of guys who you might want to dump if you're in a dynasty league, because their value is headed to zero quickly.LT-- I'll get the most flack from this one, as he'll probably be a top ten draft pick next year. But it will be name only. He's done. Next year he'll only be a year older, and running backs don't get better with age. In fairness he'll probably be worth a 2nd or 3rd next year, but if you're in a dynasty, you might can still get a good deal for him by trading him to a clueless owner.Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age. His days of being a top 10 RB are forever gone.McGahee--I think the Orange Bowl injury did him in. Never the same, and once he took hits for a few years in the NFL, he's become pretty average. Still young enough to possibly have a decent season or two in a "comeback" year.Edgerrin--Probably pretty obvious. But still, it's over. His fantasy value is ZERO.Two I'm struggling with:Torry HoltChad JohnsonI think Ocho still has the potential for a bounceback. But is anyone going to sign him and make him their number 1? I just wonder if all his baggage has caught up to him.And Holt to me looks done, but he still is at an age where 1-2 year comeback is possible.Any to add?

and Holts problems this year have very little to do with torry Holt. Disagree there, but he can be had cheap next year I bet.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Addai--If you can get anything for him, get it. He's never been that good anyway, and he's getting worse with age.

:whoosh: He's 25.

He's still getting older and the point is that he's not improving.It's all downhill for Addai from here on out. The Colts will look to bring in more help at RB in the off-season. Addai is also very injury prone, a trait that follows him from LSU on. I think he was a very average RB who benefitted from coming to an explosive offense. Now that the offense has been grounded, his lack of talent is becoming apparent.

lol. stick a fork in this guys logic.

 

[nxmehta]

I think Marvin Harrison should go on the list.