The racist history of the Democratic Party (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

By al stump.   A discredited author.

Actually the book I read that touched on this subject was Arc of Justice by Kevin Boyle. 
But I don’t want to get sidetracked on the point because I’m not exactly an expert on Ty Cobb. Perhaps my info is completely wrong on him. My main point was that Detroit in the late 10s and early 20s was a hotbed for the KKK, and their members were entrenched within the Democratic Party leadership. 

 

[quick-hands]

Actually the book I read that touched on this subject was Arc of Justice by Kevin Boyle. 
But I don’t want to get sidetracked on the point because I’m not exactly an expert on Ty Cobb. Perhaps my info is completely wrong on him. My main point was that Detroit in the late 10s and early 20s was a hotbed for the KKK, and their members were entrenched within the Democratic Party leadership. 

It was more based in howell mi.  About half way between Lansing and Detroit.   But it was definitely in the democrat party in michigan.   Cobb however came from a republican family in Georgia and was a life long republican.....but i don't mean to derail your topic.   But whenever I see that about cobb being a racist I say something.     Good job tim.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'll have them voting Democratic for the next 200 years.

-LBJ

 

[BladeRunner]

I'll have them voting Democratic for the next 200 years.

-LBJ

And he was right.  The Black Vote is a monolithic block that's been voting Democrat - no questions asked - for 60+ years or more now.  Democrats pander to them every 4 years and they fall for it every single time - and are subsequently ignored until the next election where they vote Democrat once again.   Maybe at some point they'll realize that the party that fought for slavery, enacted Jim Crowe laws, started the KKK is not there to help them. 

Have to give the DNC leadership credit, though:  Can you think of a bigger con job in history?  It's a masterclass in con jobs.

 

[sho nuff]

Bigger con job?  Yes...he resides in the White House currently.

 

[whoknew]

And he was right.  The Black Vote is a monolithic block that's been voting Democrat - no questions asked - for 60+ years or more now.  Democrats pander to them every 4 years and they fall for it every single time - and are subsequently ignored until the next election where they vote Democrat once again.   Maybe at some point they'll realize that the party that fought for slavery, enacted Jim Crowe laws, started the KKK is not there to help them. 

Have to give the DNC leadership credit, though:  Can you think of a bigger con job in history?  It's a masterclass in con jobs.

You don't think much of black people, eh?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Still waiting for the GOP to nominate a person of color to either POTUS or VP. 

Between Obama & the soon to be announced VP the Dems will have 3 of the last 4 elections covered on that note.

 

[rustycolts]

@timschochet I hope you keep it up. I find this to be very interesting. I'm a big history guy and I really appreciate it when I can learn something new Lost cause is an example.

Civil War, both World Wars and Texas history my favorites. Somehow I missed your thread on the Civil War. I'm going to search that and read today. Thanks for an interesting read.

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

It’s displayed in the beginning of Donald Trump’s favorite movie, Gone With the Wind. A group of blacks at the start of sunset  from a distance happily tell each other: 

“Its quitting time!” 
“Who say it’s quitting time?” 
“I say it’s quitting time!” 

https://youtu.be/8PjRsfPCo98
Notice the fantasy here: there’s no white overseer. The blacks casually decide when they’re going to stop working. They’re happy content slaves! And this continues throughout the film, especially in the second half, when, having been set free, they continue to be devoted to their white former masters. 

“Gone with the Wind” grossly misrepresented  the reality of the antebellum south for almost 40 years.

I’m old enough to remember when  “Roots” premiered.  There were a whole lot of people saying “I had no idea!”

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

You don't think much of black people, eh?

I'd say that would be the guy that said "if you don't vote for Biden then you ain't black"

 

[Shutout]

Still waiting for the GOP to nominate a person of color to either POTUS or VP. 

Between Obama & the soon to be announced VP the Dems will have 3 of the last 4 elections covered on that note.

These are all from Sun Tzu. The Democrats' mission & agenda has never changed, only their tactics. 

-All warfare is based on deception.

-In the midst of chaos there is also opportunity.

-The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy so that he cannot fathom our true intent.

-The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

-Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

-Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.

-Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

-The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

 

[timschochet]

Woodrow, concluded 

Before I finish with Woodrow Wilson and move on to Margaret Sanger (that will be an interesting topic for a variety of reasons) I want to mention two future catastrophes to America that Wilson greatly contributed to thanks to his racism: 

1. The Empire of Japan was on the Allied side during World War I, and they came to Versailles after the war for one purpose: to be recognized and accepted as a Great Power. They were confident that this would happen because earlier Teddy Roosevelt had negotiated a peace between themselves and Russia and they believed that Roosevelt represented a country, America, where race didn’t matter, so his successor must feel the same way. (In reality Teddy was himself a racist against Asians who warned constantly at home against the “Yellow Peril” but he didn’t let on when he met the Japanese.) Wilson publicly denigrated the Japanese, questioned their intellectual capacities, and refused to have anything to do with them. He pressured Great Britain and France to go along, which they did reluctantly. Japan left Paris feeling alienated, isolated, and angry and determined to gain equality through force of arms. 
 

2. Another visitor to Paris at the same time was a young revolutionary from Indochina named Ho Chi Minh. He was heavily impressed with the American Declaration of Independence and the writings of Thomas Paine, and he had read Wilson’s statements about creating democracy all around the world. His homeland of Vietnam was terribly mistreated by the French and Ho believed that with American help the French could be made to leave over time and a democracy could develop. He was ignored; Wilson refused to meet with him, or any other Asian or African that might be seeking something similar. Wilson’s ideas about democracy were meant for white people. In despair Ho turned to the Communists for help and soon was one himself. 

I’m not making the argument here that Wilson was responsible for Pearl Harbor or the Vietnam War. But his racism certainly was a factor in the eventual development of both conflicts. 

 

[timschochet]

Margaret Sanger 

Actually Sanger shouldn’t be part of this discussion because it’s supposed to be about the Democratic Party and there is no evidence I can’t find that Sanger, a non- politician, was ever involved in any way with any political party. In studying her bio, it appears that had she been political she would have been a socialist, at least in her early years when she spent much time under arrest for advocating woman’s health views that at the time were considered quite radical. But again there is no record of this.

So why am I bringing her up? Because for several years now conservatives have been using Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, as a way to attack both the Democratic Party and Planned Parenthood. The charge is that Sanger was a racist, connected with the KKK (which was connected to the Democratic Party), a eugenicist, and promoted birth control within the black community in order to reduce its population. And this charge is used by conservatives to try to convince modern day blacks to distance themselves from the Democrats, and also to attempt to stop government funding of Planned Parenthood. 
 

While Sanger’s life is the subject of much controversy and some dispute, the consensus appears to be that most of the conservative charges are false. First, she was not herself a believer in eugenics. She was friends with and heavily influenced by the writer Havelock Ellis who was a eugenicist and she shared and incorporated several of his ideas regarding birth control in society, but distances herself from his specific eugenic views. Second, there is no evidence she was a racist. Sanger worked very closely with W.E.B. Dubois and the NAACP. It’s true that when she broadened her audience she addressed all sorts of political groups, including the KKK a couple of times, who were enthusiastic about her ideas to use birth control to control populations of blacks and immigrants. (In later life Sanger deeply regretted these speeches and was uncomfortable even at the time she gave them.) The KKK liked the idea of Sangers proposal “The Black Project” in which birth control means  would be distributed in black communities. But there is a very important distinction here which modern day conservatives who attack Sanger choose to ignore: the KKK and other racists just wanted to reduce or eliminate blacks and other minorities; Sanger wanted to improve their lot by controlling their numbers in poorer areas. Her birth control ideas were always accompanied by better schooling, housing, employment, etc. For these reasons Sanger was celebrated by black leadership and praised by Martin Luther King. (A few black radicals, eager to put a negative spin on what they believed to be patronizing white liberalism, attacked her over the years; the most notable of these was Communist Angela Davis.) 

I won’t belabor this issue any longer since it really is a side topic and there is plenty of real racism in the Democratic Party to discuss- I plan on moving on to FDR next. But my conclusion is that Margaret Sanger, never really connected with the Democratic Party, was not the racist or eugenicist that certain people continue to claim she was. 

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Planned Parenthood in N.Y. Disavows Margaret Sanger Over Eugenics
12 mins ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/planned-parenthood-margaret-sanger-eugenics.amp.html

 

[timschochet]

Planned Parenthood in N.Y. Disavows Margaret Sanger Over Eugenics
12 mins ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/planned-parenthood-margaret-sanger-eugenics.amp.html

Well maybe they have more evidence than I’ve been able to find. But from what I’ve seen it’s a false charge. 

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Well maybe they have more evidence than I’ve been able to find. But from what I’ve seen it’s a false charge. 

I just thought it was cool that while I was reading your post about Margaret Sanger, I got a notification on my phone from NYT about Margaret Sanger.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Planned Parenthood in N.Y. Disavows Margaret Sanger Over Eugenics
12 mins ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/planned-parenthood-margaret-sanger-eugenics.amp.html

Ha well better late than never but it's way past too late.

 

[The Commish]

And he was right.  The Black Vote is a monolithic block that's been voting Democrat - no questions asked - for 60+ years or more now.  Democrats pander to them every 4 years and they fall for it every single time - and are subsequently ignored until the next election where they vote Democrat once again.   Maybe at some point they'll realize that the party that fought for slavery, enacted Jim Crowe laws, started the KKK is not there to help them. 

Have to give the DNC leadership credit, though:  Can you think of a bigger con job in history?  It's a masterclass in con jobs.

Bigger?  I wouldn't go that far, but I can absolutely think of a couple that are on par.  Turns out, it's tough to get people to admit they've been conned.  Yet another area where the Dems aren't exactly blazing new, unique trails on their own.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

While Sanger’s life is the subject of much controversy and some dispute, the consensus appears to be that most of the conservative charges are false. First, she was not herself a believer in eugenics.

I think you'll run into murky ground here, lot of evidence exists that she was a eugenicist, just not "that kind" of eugenicist. It was a strain of medical thought back then, and we're talking about a time when hygiene was a theory to be debated.

Maybe a better argument in these things is the degree to which we should be holding people of the times liable for their beliefs back then. I feel like often these debates are waged over disputes we currently hold and so people look at past figures and inculcate their own belief systems into persons obviously not here to explain themselves. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

One of the biggest cons in history was when the Democratic Party convinced black people to vote for them.  Between the handouts, giveaways and policies the Democrat Party platform has simply moved black people from a physical plantation to a virtual one.

I've thought about this stuff long and hard. I grew up in not only a racially diverse city but one with a rich African American cultural and political history. Antebellum Nola was a very different place from nearly all of the South in many ways, but we also had a massive slave market right in the city commercial center. It was a strange world. It had educated, even wealthy free blacks and yet human flesh was sold at a major hotel on Royal Street. Crazy. After the war some of the most important civil rights cases came out of Nola - by blacks suing (!) in a major city court system to gain rights already recognized. It's strange beautiful, horrible stuff and in the course of maybe 20 years (?) it all came crashing down. 

I'm off topic - the main point I wanted to make about this is that Kennedy and Johnson went and earned black voters' respect and loyalty and appreciation. It's not mindless obeisance, it's crafted in history. It's been what 2-3 generations now and you and others claim this is still a big brainwash.

I've thought recently what if Trump (assuming he was a different man than he is) simply reached out to the Floyd family, went to their family's home or invited them to the White House. What if this Trump v2.0 had instructed his DOJ led by the great Confederate-named AG Jefferson Beauregard Sessions to seek federal oversight of the Minny PD and pledge to do so in other cities. What if this Trump DOJ v2.0 had brought charges before the first major protest erupted in Minny. I'd think we'd be looking at a different electoral landscape and maybe a shift of the sort we saw in 1964 and thereabouts. Maybe not as large, clearly, but sizable. Anyway respect and trust is earned, we all know this on a personal level.

 

[boots11234]

Still waiting for the GOP to nominate a person of color to either POTUS or VP. 

Between Obama & the soon to be announced VP the Dems will have 3 of the last 4 elections covered on that note.

I’m waiting for Democrats to follow MLK and the content of character bit. 

 

[The Commish]

I’m waiting for Democrats to follow MLK and the content of character bit. 

Just the Democrats?  Might be helpful if we held all politicians to the same standards.  My  

 

[boots11234]

Just the Democrats?  Might be helpful if we held all politicians to the same standards.  My  

Agree. That’s why I’m confounded by joes insistence that the vp be black. Certainly there are qualified black candidates however Why not start from the best qualified candidate position?  His approach doesn’t seem to mlk ish 

 

[The Commish]

Agree. That’s why I’m confounded by joes insistence that the vp be black. Certainly there are qualified black candidates however Why not start from the best qualified candidate position?  His approach doesn’t seem to mlk ish 

Perhaps he's already in the middle of his evaluations and can say with confidence that the best candidate is black?  How exactly do you know where/when he started his evaluation in relation to the comment he made?

 

[timschochet]

Agree. That’s why I’m confounded by joes insistence that the vp be black. Certainly there are qualified black candidates however Why not start from the best qualified candidate position?  His approach doesn’t seem to mlk ish 

He hasn’t insisted on this. I would, though.

And given Martin Luther King’s reaction to the appointment of Thurgood Marshall I’m pretty sure MLK would be very happy with Biden if he chooses a black VP. 
 

The recent conservative appropriation of Dr. King’s beliefs, based mostly on deliberate misinterpretation, is a subject I will try to examine later on this thread. 

 

[BladeRunner]

You don't think much of black people, eh?

Not sure where you got that idea.  Facts are facts.  They don't care about race, gender, creed, whatever...

And don't think that I don't know what you're doing here.

And, to be fair, if black people are voting Democrat then they really don't think much of themselves.  They aligned themselves with the Party of slavery, Jim Crowe and the KKK (to point out a few).   Must be a massive case of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[BladeRunner]

Another Democrat, another black face:

https://mobile.twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1271472832556544000

But it's the GOP who are the racists?  I don't think so.

I'll sit back and wait for the excuses. 

 

[BladeRunner]

Perhaps he's already in the middle of his evaluations and can say with confidence that the best candidate is black?  How exactly do you know where/when he started his evaluation in relation to the comment he made?

Because he said he was going to pick a black VP when he jumped in the race.  

I think it's safe to say that Biden didn't even know where his shoes were that day, much less sitting at a desk evaluating in great detail every candidate.  It's easy to see right thru that.  Joe isn't a details guy - he's a liar and exaggerator and will say anything to get votes.  Is this even debatable?

 

[irish eyes]

Another Democrat, another black face:

https://mobile.twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1271472832556544000

But it's the GOP who are the racists?  I don't think so.

I'll sit back and wait for the excuses. 

It should actually be renamed the hypocrit party. It's comical.

 

[BladeRunner]

It should actually be renamed the hypocrit party. It's comical.

Maybe I'm wrong, but can anyone even point out a Republican in black face from the last 20 years or so?  Every time a story like this comes up it's ALWAYS a Democrat/Liberal.

You know how you can tell who the real racists are?  They're the ones in the black face pointing their fingers at you calling you a "racist".  Just look at this list:

https://www.insider.com/celebrities-who-wore-blackface-2018-10

It's almost exclusively liberals/Democrats.  Tell me, again, who are the racists?

 

[timschochet]

Maybe I'm wrong, but can anyone even point out a Republican in black face from the last 20 years or so?  Every time a story like this comes up it's ALWAYS a Democrat/Liberal.

You know how you can tell who the real racists are?  They're the ones in the black face pointing their fingers at you calling you a "racist".  Just look at this list:

https://www.insider.com/celebrities-who-wore-blackface-2018-10

It's almost exclusively liberals/Democrats.  Tell me, again, who are the racists?

The racists are the racists, irrespective of party. That’s one of the main themes of this thread. 
 

As for Howard Stern, he has no association with the Democratic Party. I think he ran for governor as a libertarian. Also didn’t he used to be a very close associate of Donald Trump? 

 

[The Commish]

Because he said he was going to pick a black VP when he jumped in the race.  

I think it's safe to say that Biden didn't even know where his shoes were that day, much less sitting at a desk evaluating in great detail every candidate.  It's easy to see right thru that.  Joe isn't a details guy - he's a liar and exaggerator and will say anything to get votes.  Is this even debatable?

None of this answers my question, which isn't a surprise.  I guess you guys really weren't joking with the "you have to look at his heart" shtick....taking it all the way baby!!!!  I like it!!!!!!! 

I also like it coming from an absolutely pure place of projection.

 

[whoknew]

Not sure where you got that idea.  Facts are facts.  They don't care about race, gender, creed, whatever...

And don't think that I don't know what you're doing here.

And, to be fair, if black people are voting Democrat then they really don't think much of themselves.  They aligned themselves with the Party of slavery, Jim Crowe and the KKK (to point out a few).   Must be a massive case of Stockholm Syndrome.

I don't know what you mean by the second paragraph.

But in your original post, you wrote - 

"The Black Vote is a monolithic block that's been voting Democrat - no questions asked - for 60+ years or more now.  Democrats pander to them every 4 years and they fall for it every single time - and are subsequently ignored until the next election where they vote Democrat once again.   Maybe at some point they'll realize that the party that fought for slavery, enacted Jim Crowe laws, started the KKK is not there to help them."

That's not thinking very highly of black people. I get that now you are trying to play it off like they have Stockholm syndrome or something. But ultimately you are saying that all black people vote the same and they fall for the lies and cons of Democrats. And have done so for a long time.

Not a very rosy picture you paint of black Americans.

 

[whoknew]

Another Democrat, another black face:

https://mobile.twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1271472832556544000

But it's the GOP who are the racists?  I don't think so.

I'll sit back and wait for the excuses. 

If I recall, he was making fun of the Ted and Whoopi performance. Doesn't mean its right, but its not like he was doing a minstrel show.

 

[sho nuff]

I don't know what you mean by the second paragraph.

But in your original post, you wrote - 

"The Black Vote is a monolithic block that's been voting Democrat - no questions asked - for 60+ years or more now.  Democrats pander to them every 4 years and they fall for it every single time - and are subsequently ignored until the next election where they vote Democrat once again.   Maybe at some point they'll realize that the party that fought for slavery, enacted Jim Crowe laws, started the KKK is not there to help them."

That's not thinking very highly of black people. I get that now you are trying to play it off like they have Stockholm syndrome or something. But ultimately you are saying that all black people vote the same and they fall for the lies and cons of Democrats. And have done so for a long time.

Not a very rosy picture you paint of black Americans.

Meanwhile hoping they fall for the  lies and con of Trump and Republicans.

 

[whoknew]

Because he said he was going to pick a black VP when he jumped in the race.  

I think it's safe to say that Biden didn't even know where his shoes were that day, much less sitting at a desk evaluating in great detail every candidate.  It's easy to see right thru that.  Joe isn't a details guy - he's a liar and exaggerator and will say anything to get votes.  Is this even debatable?

I don't think that's true. He said he was going to pick a woman.

 

[roadkill1292]

I don't know what you mean by the second paragraph.

But in your original post, you wrote - 

"The Black Vote is a monolithic block that's been voting Democrat - no questions asked - for 60+ years or more now.  Democrats pander to them every 4 years and they fall for it every single time - and are subsequently ignored until the next election where they vote Democrat once again.   Maybe at some point they'll realize that the party that fought for slavery, enacted Jim Crowe laws, started the KKK is not there to help them."

That's not thinking very highly of black people. I get that now you are trying to play it off like they have Stockholm syndrome or something. But ultimately you are saying that all black people vote the same and they fall for the lies and cons of Democrats. And have done so for a long time.

Not a very rosy picture you paint of black Americans.

Explaining their inability to get black votes on African-Americans being gullible is a neat runaround. It says "we're not the problem, it's just that black people are too stupid to see how awesome we are."

From there it's only a short step to rationalizing "if they'd just vote for us, we'd stop it making it so hard for them to vote."

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I don't think that's true. He said he was going to pick a woman.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Explaining their inability to get black votes on African-Americans being gullible is a neat runaround. It says "we're not the problem, it's just that black people are too stupid to see how awesome we are."

From there it's only a short step to rationalizing "if they'd just vote for us, we'd stop it making it so hard for them to vote."

Kinda like mail in voting. All peachy keen when it was mainly armed forces and older conservative voters. But now it's suddenly a problem.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I'm off topic - the main point I wanted to make about this is that Kennedy and Johnson went and earned black voters' respect and loyalty and appreciation. It's not mindless obeisance, it's crafted in history. It's been what 2-3 generations now and you and others claim this is still a big brainwash.

Except for liking Ike voting more and more democratic goes back at least to the New Deal.

And I think it makes sense that those living in a world of discrimination (among other evils) would reject the message of the "fend for yourself" party long before that party openly invited those feeling rejected by democrats embracing civil rights to enter the more exclusive small tent.

 

[timschochet]

I have to go out of town for a few weeks and it’s going to keep me busier than I thought. I won’t be able to return to this narrative until I get back. 

 

[whoknew]

Biden Says Trump is the First Racist President (Uhhh... ) 

“No sitting president has ever done this,” Biden said. “Never, never, never. No Republican president has done this. No Democratic president. We’ve had racists, and they’ve existed, they’ve tried to get elected president. He’s the first one that has.”

 

[rockaction]

I think you'll run into murky ground here, lot of evidence exists that she was a eugenicist, just not "that kind" of eugenicist. It was a strain of medical thought back then, and we're talking about a time when hygiene was a theory to be debated.

Maybe a better argument in these things is the degree to which we should be holding people of the times liable for their beliefs back then. I feel like often these debates are waged over disputes we currently hold and so people look at past figures and inculcate their own belief systems into persons obviously not here to explain themselves. 

Sanger was indeed a eugenicist, and I'm pretty sure evidence shows that she was "that kind" of eugenicist. There's little difference between arguing that the poor should be aborted or never conceived as opposed to certain races, but that sort of stuff walks hand in hand and is abhorrent to humanity.

I also think the degree with which we hold people to their beliefs from history should be with respect to their time, and while it is fine from a universalist perspective not to cut anybody philosophical slack, perhaps some personal slack might suit us all well.

Liberal democratic history is always moving, always teleological. We'd do better to take the lumps and warts of our forefathers and mothers as is rather than to place them equal to those who would never truck democracy writ large. One is a problem with an extension of a premise, the other is a problem with the premise of natural right itself. 

 

[Dickies]

Biden Says Trump is the First Racist President (Uhhh... ) 

“No sitting president has ever done this,” Biden said. “Never, never, never. No Republican president has done this. No Democratic president. We’ve had racists, and they’ve existed, they’ve tried to get elected president. He’s the first one that has.”

oof.

 

[timschochet]

Sanger was indeed a eugenicist, and I'm pretty sure evidence shows that she was "that kind" of eugenicist. There's little difference between arguing that the poor should be aborted or never conceived as opposed to certain races, but that sort of stuff walks hand in hand and is abhorrent to humanity.

I also think the degree with which we hold people to their beliefs from history should be with respect to their time, and while it is fine from a universalist perspective not to cut anybody philosophical slack, perhaps some personal slack might suit us all well.

Liberal democratic history is always moving, always teleological. We'd do better to take the lumps and warts of our forefathers and mothers as is rather than to place them equal to those who would never truck democracy writ large. One is a problem with an extension of a premise, the other is a problem with the premise of natural right itself. 

What evidence do you have that she either supported racial eugenics or abortion at all? Form what I’ve read though she was in favor of birth control she was never in support of abortion. And I can’t find any evidence that she wanted black people or poor people killed. 
 

Im honestly having trouble with this condemnation of Sanger. I’m not seeing it. 

 

[rockaction]

What evidence do you have that she either supported racial eugenics or abortion at all? Form what I’ve read though she was in favor of birth control she was never in support of abortion. And I can’t find any evidence that she wanted black people or poor people killed. 
Im honestly having trouble with this condemnation of Sanger. I’m not seeing it. 

It used to be freely available on the internet back in the late nineties and early 2000s. Then her estate took down her papers, IIRC. I've read the quotes and they're pretty damning. 

I mean, ####, you think an article like this happens out of the blue?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/21/margaret-sanger-planned-parenthood-eugenics/

 

[timschochet]

It used to be freely available on the internet back in the late nineties and early 2000s. Then her estate took down her papers, IIRC. I've read the quotes and they're pretty damning. 

I mean, ####, you think an article like this happens out of the blue?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/21/margaret-sanger-planned-parenthood-eugenics/

As I noted earlier, long before conservatives attacked her, left wing radicals (led by Angela Davis) started making these claims against her legacy. The decision to remove her name appears to be influenced by those charges. 
But I‘m telling you, rockaction from what I’ve read there’s not much there. 

 

[rockaction]

But I‘m telling you, rockaction from what I’ve read there’s not much there. 

I don't think her papers are available any longer. From the best of my memory (and this could a memory problem) it was pretty damning. But I was gung-ho pro-life at the time and may have used a cognitive filter through which I saw her work.