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Anarchy99
Footballguy
IMO, he’s banged up and has to learn a new playbook with no ramp up time. So the same.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
About the same, OBJ is not that good his name lives on in hype value only.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Marginally better.
By far the greatest value to the Rams is Kupp/Woods injury insurance.
By far the greatest value to the Rams is Kupp/Woods injury insurance.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
Agree with marginally better.
As someone with Jefferson shares, I'm disappointed the Rams did this, since I assume it will eventually lower Van's snap count, even though I doubt it will make much of a positive impact, if any, on the Rams offensive production.
I think it is a bit of an odd choice for OBJ. He could have gone to KC, where he would have had arguably a better QB and likely more targets on a team where he could be seen as the guy who helped elevate them into the playoffs. Or he could have gone to Green Bay, where he would have been the clear #2 target behind Adams... not so clearly true in LA. Or he could have gone to New England, where he would have pretty quickly become the #1 target in the offense.
Admittedly, LA is a more appealing place to live Dec to Jan/Feb compared to those other locations. But did he want opportunity, or playoff contender, or money, or a combination? Seems like an odd choice IMO.
As someone with Jefferson shares, I'm disappointed the Rams did this, since I assume it will eventually lower Van's snap count, even though I doubt it will make much of a positive impact, if any, on the Rams offensive production.
I think it is a bit of an odd choice for OBJ. He could have gone to KC, where he would have had arguably a better QB and likely more targets on a team where he could be seen as the guy who helped elevate them into the playoffs. Or he could have gone to Green Bay, where he would have been the clear #2 target behind Adams... not so clearly true in LA. Or he could have gone to New England, where he would have pretty quickly become the #1 target in the offense.
Admittedly, LA is a more appealing place to live Dec to Jan/Feb compared to those other locations. But did he want opportunity, or playoff contender, or money, or a combination? Seems like an odd choice IMO.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
His brand was starting to slip. Now he is in Hollywood.
dkp993
Footballguy
While I one hundred percent agree with you, I believe defense’s still have to respect what he could bring. That’s why I think it’s good for the Rams and Kupp
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Stat Correction
Footballguy
If healthy, he still has some talent. Eli and Baker weren't/aren't exactly world-beaters. Stafford will be the first legit passing QB that he has had. So, I suspect that this a win for the Rams offense, but a slight loss for Kupp and Woods owners.....kinda like Godwin and Evans when AB is healthy. Better offense, but smaller pieces of pie.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Ramos BJ?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Easily better. OBJ >>> Van Jefferson or Tyler Higbee. Thought it was pretty clear they needed a viable 3rd option after Tennessee exposed them - and Jefferson dropping that bomb that hit him on the hands seems to have been the last straw for McVay,
IMO this is the hardest team to cover in football, given TB’s injuries.
IMO this is the hardest team to cover in football, given TB’s injuries.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
TapRackBang
Footballguy
I think folks are sleeping on OBJ.
While he may not be moss to the pats, he's a significant upgrade over Bobby trees.
This could be a league changer.
While he may not be moss to the pats, he's a significant upgrade over Bobby trees.
This could be a league changer.
I don't think this moves the needle at all. OBJ is a shell of his former self. I'm not sure he does anything more than D-Jax did, as far as splitting the #3 role with Van Jefferson. Frankly, if D-Jax could stay healthy, he's probably the better player.
Tampa, Dallas, and Buffalo all have better trios in my opinion. Probably could make a case for Cincinnati as well, but that's probably slightly premature. Probably an argument for the Cardinals as well.
It may be at Coach, but I'd argue its a not a huge upgrade or even one at all at QB. Mayfield's efficiency numbers without Beckham are as good as Stafford's over the last 4 years.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Yeah, I hear you on that, but I'm not sold on Baker. I'm not saying he's a bum, but he does have a bum shoulder and Stafford has been playing at MVP levels this season. I consider him a big upgrade, especially at the current moment in time.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Mayfield is either blind or doesn’t trust his arm, because OBJ has been open quite a bit without much to show for it.
Stafford >>>> Mayfield.
Rams passing offense >>>> Browns passing offense.
not that the Browns are a bad offense, they’re just not a dominant aerial attack like the Rams.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I won’t say he’s a bum, but he’s definitely bum curious with bum-leaning tendencies. I’m absolutely convinced Stafford is better.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I don't watch a TON of Browns football, but I have a large wager on them not winning more than 10 games this year so I do watch some. It seems like every time I flip to the Browns game OBJ is dropping a crucial pass or screwing up a route.
He's been a great friend of mine this year, given my wager, because I really do think they're better off without him, and I am not the least bit surprised that they instantly looked better in the game after he was cut.
He's played terribly, and I think Baker (who I agree, sucks) has felt like he has to force it to him because he's OBJ. Baker is a better QB without him (still not good), and without him it meant there was someone else running those routes on 3rd down who wouldn't drop it almost every time they needed him to come up big this year.
I think its pretty clear that Mayfield just didn't trust Beckham. Beckham freelanced too much, and that isn't the type of passer Mayfield is. Its why somebody like Jarvis Landry is perfect for Mayfield. Stafford has missed a lot of open WRs this year too. Mostly Woods and D-Jax while he was there. He seems 100% on the same page as Kupp.
Slightly off topic, I think Matthew Stafford might be the most overrated QB in the NFL, maybe in recent history. I can't believe he's getting MVP talk, I wouldn't even vote him to the Pro Bowl this year. Brady, Murray, and Prescott would all get my vote over him, and that is just on the NFC. Frankly, I'd argue Stafford is the 3rd best QB in the NFC West, when everyone is healthy.
On topic, if I were a Beckham owner, I'd be trying like hell to trade him right now, while there is some hype around him.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy said:
If you think Jefferson's drop was bad.... just wait until you see what OBJ can drop.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Stoneworker
Footballguy
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I don't think this move was intended to make any real change to the Rams DURING the season. It was a move totally with the playoffs in mind, allowing mcvay to throw in a completely new offensive package the next time he goes heads up against opertunistic defenses so he can punch first and not worry about playing from behind.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
If I had a dime everytime I heard someone say we are sleeping on obj. I mean really when does the sickness end? Hes a never has been never will be player when are going to come to terms with this? I think you obj supporters need to see a shrink..its like an obsession. The Belle of the Ball is garbage. the canadian foot all league passed on him.the world leagueof american football passed on him and they been extinct for 20 some odd years. Just stop with the obj nonsense.hes a flake.he cant pkay at this level.he has issues thatrequire med attention specifically mental health. He needs to come to terms with it and seek treatment. Its in his best interest.oswizzle said:
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
JohnnyU said:
He's playing for a new contract in the offseason. He'll be on his best behavior without any doubt.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
This.JohnnyU said:
They had a good thing going. You invite a "Me" person into the fold and it has the potential to destroy the chemistry.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Worse. I don’t think his style is a great fit for their offense. I think he’s their #3 at best. He just forced his way out of Cleveland because he didn’t feel like he was a big enough part of the offense to sign with LA where DJax just forced his way out because he didn’t feel like he was a big enough part of the offense.
It sounds like the Rams basically promised OBJ that he would get a nice share of the offense which leads me to believe that the Rams will force the ball to him, at least early on, in an effort to make him happy. I think that will be to their own detriment. So I say it actually makes them worse.
It sounds like the Rams basically promised OBJ that he would get a nice share of the offense which leads me to believe that the Rams will force the ball to him, at least early on, in an effort to make him happy. I think that will be to their own detriment. So I say it actually makes them worse.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I'm not sure I completely agree with the bolded, but I will say that if you compare his career stats to Jay Cutler, they are very similar. I think Cutler was a bit underrated and Stafford is a bit overrated. And like Deion Sanders once said, they are pretty much the same dude.
FairWarning
Footballguy
The only guarantee is if it goes south, it’s not his fault.
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
OBJ seems to live on in people's minds as the incredible version of himself from years past despite not living up to that for several years now. Maybe a minor upgrade but nothing significant, with a chance to be a negative force when he doesn't feel like he's getting enough targets or adulation.
Deamon
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I believe it’s exactly the opposite. He’s one of, if not the most underrated QB in recent history. Obviously so. Look what he was doing on a rag tag Lions team the year he broke his back. Look at the numbers he put up in DET over the course of his career.
I’m usually with you on your hot takes. Not remotely here though.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think OBJ is absolutely #3 there. WHich is exactly what they need him to be. It’s exactly what they’re missing.
as such, it’s a huge upgrade for the Rams, who’ve been desperate for a viable 3rd option all year.
I believe he improved the offense for exactly that reason.
as for the speculation of promising him x% share of the offense, color me skeptical. I believe he knows he’s a role player & believed the Rams were his best chance at a ring.
I will agree 100% that Stafford was playing at a very high level(honestly a lot better than he is playing now) in 2019 before that back injury. That was the peak of his career in my opinion.
But Stafford also is full of stat padding and garbage time, going back to the Calvin era. I'd never argue Stafford isn't a good QB, but he's just a good QB. He and Derek Carr are very similar to me, both part of some broken franchises, but for some reason Stafford always gets a pass, where as Carr always gets criticized.
For my money, the most underrated QB is Ryan Tannehill.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Hard to say. Odie has not really had a big season in 4 years.
Don`t see Odie liking being the #WR but maybe he has matured and wants to win. If he was shooting for his last big contract he needs to grow up and play. Complaining don`t get big deals done.
Rams are taking a big chance here as they were good enough to win without him.
Don`t see Odie liking being the #WR but maybe he has matured and wants to win. If he was shooting for his last big contract he needs to grow up and play. Complaining don`t get big deals done.
Rams are taking a big chance here as they were good enough to win without him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Tannehill has had maybe 4 decent seasons, 2 with the dolphins (4000+ yards & 24 and 27 TD’s to 12 Ints, respectively, and one 3800+ with 24 TD) and one magical year with the Titans where he threw 33 TDs with 3800 yards to only 7 picks. That was a career year.
He’s also had 3 injury plagued seasons, and currently has a 10:8 TD:INT ratio.
I like Tennehill & did think he was a bit underrated in Miami. But he doesn’t belong in the conversation with Stafford, or Carr for that matter.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
seems like they got a cheap WR3 with upside to me. I hardly see any risk here. And they were in serious need of a 3rd receiver because Van Jefferson & Higbee weren’t getting it done.
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