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***The Real Official 2008 World Series Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Parade Friday starts at noon, originates at 20th and Market, heads to Broad st, turns south on Broad, and ends at the sports complexes..

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Congrats to RedRaiders and other Philly fans. Living amongst them, I am very happy that they finally got the monkey off their back sportswise after 25 years of waiting for another championship.

 
belljr said:
All right - peeps going to go soak in the post game stuff... Good Year .... I'll need to poke my head into the baseball forum more, only posted early in the year. GOD I love the beisbol....... :bye: I guess I can keep my ticket stub now :)
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I guess I can say that I went to the only WS game the Rays won. Speaking of that, someone on my row dropped their ticket early in the game and it just sat there getting walked on. Imagine if you were that guy during game 5 on Monday? "Sorry sir, you can't get back in for Wednesday's game". :hot:
 
Congrats Phils and their fans. :shrug:

It was a nice run being the biggest sports losers with you, but alas, Cleveland must move on without you. :bye:

Congrats Rays on an unbelievable season. :lmao:

 
Wow...just insane. I was outside McFaddens watching the game threw the window with about 5,000 other people. That was just amazing.

Hats of to the Rays and their coach. I didn't know much about him and them before the series...but I like him. They'll be back there sooner than later.

 
That Utley play should become as famous as the Jeter flip

The Rays remind me of the Braves at the start of their run. Very worried as a Yankee fan.

 
;) Phillies!! :X

This is the second time for me to witness a championship for Philly!!!

Congrats to Tampa Bay (my 2nd fav team by the way).. Awesome coach, great young talent, and bright future.. Keep beating the Yanks and Sox!!!!

 
Ghost Rider said:
Awful AB by Upton. Romero was all over the place, and Upton hits into a DP on the first pitch? Awful. Game over.
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:goodposting: Are you kidding me Upton. The fastest Rays baserunner is on 1st and you go after the 1st pitch? Nevermind it was down and away. Give the guy a chance to either steal a base or try to distract Romero who just walked Crawford. Unreal.
 
Capella said:
See, there ya go. Look how smart I am.I wonder what they did on June 13th that impressed me that much.
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Cappy, congrats on a great season, you have a bright future and some fun in the present, your day will come.What did you think of the Balfour/Howell/Price manuvers? I personally can't critque Maddon too hard, but its hard to go down with your best bullet in the chamber I think. He survived the 6th without him, I think you have to pinch hit Howell in the 7th though. You have 8 outs to work with at that point, gotta take your shots.
 
Yeah, Upton, that was ugly...

Burrell should be shot and left to rot in a cow pasture for not running hard. Too bad it didn't come back to bite him.

I know I keep bringing that kind of thing up, maybe it's me, but man does that get me. And you see it a lot; don't you Giambi?

 
Sonny - I think Burrell was running hard; he's just incredibly slow.

NYNJ - I was dumbstruck that he started the game with Balfour. That's what I hated. I would have thought he would have Price in there from the jump. Oh well.

 
Capella said:
Sonny - I think Burrell was running hard; he's just incredibly slow.
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That's not what your favorite announcers were saying. They thought he could've been on third. And I know how slow he is, but he was still watching that thing, for sure. The difference, we all know, between ending up at 2nd or 3rd at that point is pretty big.Anyway, I'm actually happy Burrell got his. Victorino I like. Hamels, obviously. And Utley. Socal. Werth, not so much...rubs me the wrong way. Oh yeah, and Chollie. :thumbup: Davey Lopes, go Dodgers...

 
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Capella said:
Sonny - I think Burrell was running hard; he's just incredibly slow.
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That's not what your favorite announcers were saying. They thought he could've been on third. And I know how slow he is, but he was still watching that thing, for sure. The difference, we all know, between ending up at 2nd or 3rd at that point is pretty big.Anyway, I'm actually happy Burrell got his. Victorino I like. Hamels, obviously. And Utley. Socal. Werth, not so much...rubs me the wrong way. Oh yeah, and Chollie. :2cents: Davey Lopes, go Dodgers...
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Gotta like Uncle Chollie - he was so genuine after the game. He's not the sharpest guy or most well spoken, but he was awesome.And yes, Burrell is arguably the slowest regular player in all of baseball. He would have been thrown out going to third.

 
RedRaiders said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Capella said:
Sonny - I think Burrell was running hard; he's just incredibly slow.
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That's not what your favorite announcers were saying. They thought he could've been on third. And I know how slow he is, but he was still watching that thing, for sure. The difference, we all know, between ending up at 2nd or 3rd at that point is pretty big.Anyway, I'm actually happy Burrell got his. Victorino I like. Hamels, obviously. And Utley. Socal. Werth, not so much...rubs me the wrong way. Oh yeah, and Chollie. :lmao: Davey Lopes, go Dodgers...
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Gotta like Uncle Chollie - he was so genuine after the game. He's not the sharpest guy or most well spoken, but he was awesome.And yes, Burrell is arguably the slowest regular player in all of baseball. He would have been thrown out going to third.
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Fair enough, I'm not saying he would have made it for certain, but I do believe it's debatable. They were saying as much in the booth. By the time he was at 2nd, of course he shouldn't have gone, that's not the issue. But had he run hard from the get-go, it could have been a different story. And really, that is the main thing here, why the heck wouldn't he? Because your slow does not get you free pass. Because your fast doesn't either. And it's not just Burrell, by any means. Tampa was probably worse. I counted 3 occasions where they did not give 100%, which could have changed things.

As I've said ad nauseam here, it blows my mind how often it happens. But in the World ####### Series, where everything is magnified (and rightfully so), I just don't get it. :no:

 
Capella said:
Sonny - I think Burrell was running hard; he's just incredibly slow.

NYNJ - I was dumbstruck that he started the game with Balfour. That's what I hated. I would have thought he would have Price in there from the jump. Oh well.
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I tend to agree with you, I might have saved Price for the 7th, but I definately would have gone lefty against Jenkins. Tampa definately had the mometum coming in last night and that double put a lot of gas in Philly's tank and instantly got their crowd rocking.
 
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
RedRaiders said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Capella said:
Sonny - I think Burrell was running hard; he's just incredibly slow.
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That's not what your favorite announcers were saying. They thought he could've been on third. And I know how slow he is, but he was still watching that thing, for sure. The difference, we all know, between ending up at 2nd or 3rd at that point is pretty big.Anyway, I'm actually happy Burrell got his. Victorino I like. Hamels, obviously. And Utley. Socal. Werth, not so much...rubs me the wrong way. Oh yeah, and Chollie. :lmao: Davey Lopes, go Dodgers...
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Gotta like Uncle Chollie - he was so genuine after the game. He's not the sharpest guy or most well spoken, but he was awesome.And yes, Burrell is arguably the slowest regular player in all of baseball. He would have been thrown out going to third.
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Fair enough, I'm not saying he would have made it for certain, but I do believe it's debatable. They were saying as much in the booth. By the time he was at 2nd, of course he shouldn't have gone, that's not the issue. But had he run hard from the get-go, it could have been a different story. And really, that is the main thing here, why the heck wouldn't he? Because your slow does not get you free pass. Because your fast doesn't either. And it's not just Burrell, by any means. Tampa was probably worse. I counted 3 occasions where they did not give 100%, which could have changed things.

As I've said ad nauseam here, it blows my mind how often it happens. But in the World ####### Series, where everything is magnified (and rightfully so), I just don't get it. :shrug:
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:shock: I know exactly how slow Burrell is but after that ball bounded away from Upton I totally expected to see Burrell halfway between 2nd and 3rd digging hard when the RF picked up the ball. He was just pulling into 2nd. They showed him basically homerun trotting it between 1st and 2nd.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Capella said:
Sonny - I think Burrell was running hard; he's just incredibly slow.

NYNJ - I was dumbstruck that he started the game with Balfour. That's what I hated. I would have thought he would have Price in there from the jump. Oh well.
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I tend to agree with you, I might have saved Price for the 7th, but I definately would have gone lefty against Jenkins. Tampa definately had the mometum coming in last night and that double put a lot of gas in Philly's tank and instantly got their crowd rocking.
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Mike Francessa was pimping Price to come right out in the 6th all day Wednesday and basically said it was the only move for Maddon that made sense.
 
Capella said:
See, there ya go. Look how smart I am.I wonder what they did on June 13th that impressed me that much.
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We scored 20 against the Cardinals. It was the second time we'd put up 20 during this season. In May, we put up 20 on Colorado, one day after putting up 15 on Houston.
 
I don't exactly know how this will translate, but this is Ron from the Ron and Fez and formerly Ron and Ron radio show, a Philly native, and a guy who was VERY on edge for the World Series. Here he delievers a beautiful soliloquy as to why. I don't know if it will translate, but Ronnie's persona is a bit of a jaded hard ###, but this was very much a different and cool side of him:

 
Chase Utley just yelled:

WORLD FU#$ING CHAMPIONS!!

It was broadcast live over two Philly am stations

 
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Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
RedRaiders said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Capella said:
Sonny - I think Burrell was running hard; he's just incredibly slow.
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That's not what your favorite announcers were saying. They thought he could've been on third. And I know how slow he is, but he was still watching that thing, for sure. The difference, we all know, between ending up at 2nd or 3rd at that point is pretty big.Anyway, I'm actually happy Burrell got his. Victorino I like. Hamels, obviously. And Utley. Socal. Werth, not so much...rubs me the wrong way. Oh yeah, and Chollie. :yes: Davey Lopes, go Dodgers...
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Gotta like Uncle Chollie - he was so genuine after the game. He's not the sharpest guy or most well spoken, but he was awesome.And yes, Burrell is arguably the slowest regular player in all of baseball. He would have been thrown out going to third.
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Fair enough, I'm not saying he would have made it for certain, but I do believe it's debatable. They were saying as much in the booth. By the time he was at 2nd, of course he shouldn't have gone, that's not the issue. But had he run hard from the get-go, it could have been a different story. And really, that is the main thing here, why the heck wouldn't he? Because your slow does not get you free pass. Because your fast doesn't either. And it's not just Burrell, by any means. Tampa was probably worse. I counted 3 occasions where they did not give 100%, which could have changed things.

As I've said ad nauseam here, it blows my mind how often it happens. But in the World ####### Series, where everything is magnified (and rightfully so), I just don't get it. :goodposting:
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Anyone who thinks Burrell was hustling wasn't watching the game. Home run trot down the first base line... Should have been a triple.Blows my mind the Rays didn't hustle though; seems completely out of character for them. I was very impressed by Maddon... always seems to be on top of the game.

I won't second guess the Price thing... hindsight is 20-20...

 
Hammered Finz said:
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Chase Utley just yelled:

WORLD FU#$ING CHAMPIONS!!

It was broadcast live over two Philly am stations
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and on live TV!! :goodposting: Harry Kalas was :lmao:

The team was :yes:

AWESOME!!
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Yeah we posted this in the other thread... He had to be dared or something along of don't curse on TV again like the all star game....You couldn't hear the rest of the speech because TV came on to apologize - LOL

How big was the crowd- the original plan was to be at the stadium at 1:30-2.

I saw them past my block around 12:30 or so waited in line to catch a train back home around 2:30-3. Got home and turned on TV and they didn't get into CBP until 4:00 or something. Not sure if the made it in the LInc at all -

 
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Two things:

1) Tom Verducci from SI was on DP the other day and they were talking about whether Pat Gillick would make the HOF. Verducci made the argument that he should because "he knows how to put together a roster." He claimed the Phillies won the WS because "although Gillick inherited Utley, Howard, Rollins, Victorino, Hamels, etc., it was Gillick who brought in Pedro Feliz and JC Romero." Now I don't know if Gillick belongs in the HOF or not (and don't really care) but to make this argument is just patently absurd. Sure he inherited some of the best players in MLB, but he brought in the fringe players!! WOO HOO!!

2) Keith Law at ESPN said on Thursday that if he were the Rays' GM, he'd consider firing Maddon after his WS display. Direct quote - "If you don't understand the most basic aspects of in-game management, you can't manage my team."

 
whoknew said:
Two things:

1) Tom Verducci from SI was on DP the other day and they were talking about whether Pat Gillick would make the HOF. Verducci made the argument that he should because "he knows how to put together a roster." He claimed the Phillies won the WS because "although Gillick inherited Utley, Howard, Rollins, Victorino, Hamels, etc., it was Gillick who brought in Pedro Feliz and JC Romero." Now I don't know if Gillick belongs in the HOF or not (and don't really care) but to make this argument is just patently absurd. Sure he inherited some of the best players in MLB, but he brought in the fringe players!! WOO HOO!!



2) Keith Law at ESPN said on Thursday that if he were the Rays' GM, he'd consider firing Maddon after his WS display. Direct quote - "If you don't understand the most basic aspects of in-game management, you can't manage my team."
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What a dope.. All Maddon did was take this team from worst to first, beat out the Yankees and Red Sox, and make the world series. Yeah, lets fire him!! :rolleyes:

 
Hammered Finz said:
whoknew said:
Two things:

1) Tom Verducci from SI was on DP the other day and they were talking about whether Pat Gillick would make the HOF. Verducci made the argument that he should because "he knows how to put together a roster." He claimed the Phillies won the WS because "although Gillick inherited Utley, Howard, Rollins, Victorino, Hamels, etc., it was Gillick who brought in Pedro Feliz and JC Romero." Now I don't know if Gillick belongs in the HOF or not (and don't really care) but to make this argument is just patently absurd. Sure he inherited some of the best players in MLB, but he brought in the fringe players!! WOO HOO!!



2) Keith Law at ESPN said on Thursday that if he were the Rays' GM, he'd consider firing Maddon after his WS display. Direct quote - "If you don't understand the most basic aspects of in-game management, you can't manage my team."
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What a dope.. All Maddon did was take this team from worst to first, beat out the Yankees and Red Sox, and make the world series. Yeah, lets fire him!! :rolleyes:
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Maddon didn't take the team there. I think you are giving him a little too much credit.Having said that, I wouldn't fire him either. But I would have a long talk about his non-sensical decisions during the WS.

 
whoknew said:
Two things:1) Tom Verducci from SI was on DP the other day and they were talking about whether Pat Gillick would make the HOF. Verducci made the argument that he should because "he knows how to put together a roster." He claimed the Phillies won the WS because "although Gillick inherited Utley, Howard, Rollins, Victorino, Hamels, etc., it was Gillick who brought in Pedro Feliz and JC Romero." Now I don't know if Gillick belongs in the HOF or not (and don't really care) but to make this argument is just patently absurd. Sure he inherited some of the best players in MLB, but he brought in the fringe players!! WOO HOO!!
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You're selling him a bit short. The biggest problem of Ed Wade's tenure was that he was HORRIBLE at trading, especially in-season. That was the main reason he had a tough time finding complementary players who could round out the core. And that lack of complementary players was the main reason why the Phils kept coming up just short of the postseason. Gillick, on the other hand, was very good at that. He found JC Romero, Jayson Werth, Pedro Feliz, and other guys who became key contributors. And he pulled off a huge steal from the Astros -- Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary and Michael Carvajal (sp?) for Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett. If he gets in, the main reason will be for building those incredible Blue Jay teams of the early '90s. But his work with the Phillies should be a factor as well.
 
Pip said:
whoknew said:
Two things:1) Tom Verducci from SI was on DP the other day and they were talking about whether Pat Gillick would make the HOF. Verducci made the argument that he should because "he knows how to put together a roster." He claimed the Phillies won the WS because "although Gillick inherited Utley, Howard, Rollins, Victorino, Hamels, etc., it was Gillick who brought in Pedro Feliz and JC Romero." Now I don't know if Gillick belongs in the HOF or not (and don't really care) but to make this argument is just patently absurd. Sure he inherited some of the best players in MLB, but he brought in the fringe players!! WOO HOO!!
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You're selling him a bit short. The biggest problem of Ed Wade's tenure was that he was HORRIBLE at trading, especially in-season. That was the main reason he had a tough time finding complementary players who could round out the core. And that lack of complementary players was the main reason why the Phils kept coming up just short of the postseason. Gillick, on the other hand, was very good at that. He found JC Romero, Jayson Werth, Pedro Feliz, and other guys who became key contributors. And he pulled off a huge steal from the Astros -- Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary and Michael Carvajal (sp?) for Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett. If he gets in, the main reason will be for building those incredible Blue Jay teams of the early '90s. But his work with the Phillies should be a factor as well.
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I really wasn't trying to comment on Gillick's HOF resume. I don't really know enough about it, nor do I care.What is idiotic, though, is Verducci's comments that Gillick's moves of bringing in fringe players like Feliz and Romero were the reason the Phils won the WS. That's just ridiculously stupid. But he is the same guy who wrote in 2007 that Jeter was the best fielding SS in the AL, so I guess I shouldn't expect much from him.
 
Pip said:
whoknew said:
Two things:1) Tom Verducci from SI was on DP the other day and they were talking about whether Pat Gillick would make the HOF. Verducci made the argument that he should because "he knows how to put together a roster." He claimed the Phillies won the WS because "although Gillick inherited Utley, Howard, Rollins, Victorino, Hamels, etc., it was Gillick who brought in Pedro Feliz and JC Romero." Now I don't know if Gillick belongs in the HOF or not (and don't really care) but to make this argument is just patently absurd. Sure he inherited some of the best players in MLB, but he brought in the fringe players!! WOO HOO!!
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You're selling him a bit short. The biggest problem of Ed Wade's tenure was that he was HORRIBLE at trading, especially in-season. That was the main reason he had a tough time finding complementary players who could round out the core. And that lack of complementary players was the main reason why the Phils kept coming up just short of the postseason. Gillick, on the other hand, was very good at that. He found JC Romero, Jayson Werth, Pedro Feliz, and other guys who became key contributors. And he pulled off a huge steal from the Astros -- Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary and Michael Carvajal (sp?) for Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett. If he gets in, the main reason will be for building those incredible Blue Jay teams of the early '90s. But his work with the Phillies should be a factor as well.
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:shrug: Gillick was able to fill the cracks the Wade never seemed to be able to do. Much credit belongs to the scouting staff and wade for the core but gillick knew what pieces were needed to get over the hump. That does not make his Career HOF worthy but his 3rd team and third WS sure helps.
 
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