SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Please tell me in what parallel universe the below commentary from Clayface is useful.Jerry, please trade Marion Barber to the Patriots, you pretentious jerk.
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The Real Problem with the Dallas Cowboy, Part Deux (1 Viewer)
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Just heard this on ESPN.
Question the toughness of one of your toughest players? Wow.
The Cowboys should be imploding in 3, 2, 1...
Question the toughness of one of your toughest players? Wow.
The Cowboys should be imploding in 3, 2, 1...
Godsbrother
Footballguy
If Jerry says Barber could have played then that is good enough for me. He is drawing upon his vast knowledge of medicine and his years of experience as an NFL running back.
switz
Footballguy
All you need to know about this is Jones considered trading Barber before the season, after Julius Jones had already left for Seattle. Jerry is not Barber's biggest fan.Add to it that Barber hasn't been that great of a runningback this year. From a FF perspective, especially in PPR leagues, he's put up points, but from an NFL point of view, m'eh. Consider, yesterday against one of the toughest defenses against the run, Choice had a better YPC than Barber has put up in all but 4 games this season. Against SEA, Barber looked awful, before the toe injury, and Choice looked awesome. Sure, part of that may be fresher legs, but wasn't the question all along whether Barber could shoulder the load? He's got 21 more carries than he had last season, and he probably won't carry the ball again this year.
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lord_helmet
Footballguy
Did you ever open a Barber thread without the intention of destroying it ?
T Bell
Footballguy
This is just part of Jerry's "I'm a marter football talent evaluator than Bill" routine, because MBIII is the last Parcells RB on the roster. I don't think that there's an NFL owner who unintentionally displays more of his feelings of inadequacy and insecurity than does Jones. Not coincidentally, nobody this side of Al Davis meddles more in day-to-day football operations than does Jerruh.
switz
Footballguy
That's not a legitimate comment on the discussion at hand? Really?Gimme a break - you're pathetic. if you're going to find fault with a comment that someone else already added good posting to...lord_helmet
Footballguy
Your act has gotten so old, its ridiculous.That's not a legitimate comment on the discussion at hand? Really?Gimme a break - you're pathetic. if you're going to find fault with a comment that someone else already added good posting to...
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I questioned last year whether or not Barber's physical style would allow him to hold up over a whole season, if he were ever used as an unquestioned featured back, and some told me I was nuts.
He has done pretty well this year. His YPC is only 3.9, but it did get hurt quite a bit during that stretch where Romo was out and they had stooges in at QB. He was huge in the wins over GB and Washington, two of their biggest wins of the year.
He has done pretty well this year. His YPC is only 3.9, but it did get hurt quite a bit during that stretch where Romo was out and they had stooges in at QB. He was huge in the wins over GB and Washington, two of their biggest wins of the year.
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Statcruncher
Footballguy
Jerry is just being Jerry. Like always, he's all about the wins and the wins only. Unfortunately it means he cares about the W/L column but not the players on the field. Jerry habitutally downplays player's injuries and expects them to play through the pain. regardless of the situation (Barber's toe, Romo's pinky, Terry Glenn's knee, etc.) Jerry's first priority is having the player play with no thought about the lifelong repercussions of aggravating the injuries. I guess if you're a billionaire everyone else is just an asset that needs to be fully utilized.
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jaisonline
Footballguy
jerry jones sickens me. first he builds a few stadiums w/ outrageous seat license fees. i had to give up my endzone corner lowers for upper endzone corners. the club wanted $45k in license fees from me for 7 seats. oh yeah, face value is about the same. what a joke. too bad the giants and jets received more negative press about their stadiums than the cowboys.
oh yeah, on to my point....
now he questions barber's toughness. like, jones i played football (just not college). as a former al bundy-like high school runner back, any foot, ankle, toe, etc... injuries kills your running ability. if jones is really trying to motivate barber to play, he needs to try a diff strategy.
somebody really needs to stomp on one of that surgery obsessive degenerate's pinky toes and ask him to run around while dodging his stacks of money.
oh yeah, on to my point....
now he questions barber's toughness. like, jones i played football (just not college). as a former al bundy-like high school runner back, any foot, ankle, toe, etc... injuries kills your running ability. if jones is really trying to motivate barber to play, he needs to try a diff strategy.
somebody really needs to stomp on one of that surgery obsessive degenerate's pinky toes and ask him to run around while dodging his stacks of money.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I disagree. Through last week, Barber was a top 15 back in yards, YPG, and TDs. That doesn't mean he's a highlight reel every time he touches the ball, but it's far, far from being middling this year, as you are trying to paint him out to be -- the guy has produced better than most backs this year.Not sure it's apt to be comparing stats between two backs who have vastly different attempts -- Choice may have a higher YPC, but he has had 53 carries to Barber's 225.
If you want to compare them qualitatively, as you do in terms of how they "looked" to you in just the last 3 games, I have not seen a back run with the same combination of power, authority, violence, and joy as I have seen Barber this season. He always seemed to seek out contact, and his energy level was always through the roof. This season, he has not looked like a guy who would sit out if he thought could play.
I think the first part of your post about Jones not liking Barber is more credible.
Bush league comment. Just imagine one of the Giants or Steelers owners making the same comment........It won't happen. He can't seriously think MBIII just dogged it and decided not to play. You have to think, given Barber physical nature, he would have played if he thought he could have contributed in any way.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Oh please, I love lurking around this site and picking up info from people like Switz. He brings useful info and thought out insight. You just come off as a sour Barber owner. YOU are the one destroying this thread. How about adding something useful?Your act has gotten so old, its ridiculous.That's not a legitimate comment on the discussion at hand? Really?Gimme a break - you're pathetic. if you're going to find fault with a comment that someone else already added good posting to...
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I have heard some players in the recent past suggest that they were playing for, among other reasons, their owners, who they profesed to love, admire, and desperately want to perform well for. Now I'm a cynic so I take such matters with more than one grain of salt, yet I can't help but think the opposite might be true. No doubt there are owners that the players have to dispise. I believe Jones to be among them. Sure, they love his money, but I believe they dispise his act. Does that make it a little easier to rationalize giving up on a play, a game a season? Not much I'm sure, but I do believe in motivation so I do believe it matters somewhat.
The real problem with the Cowboys, Jones is among the undead. He has sucked the heart out of his franchise to feed his own sick, unnatural existence. A team with no heart cannot survive.
The real problem with the Cowboys, Jones is among the undead. He has sucked the heart out of his franchise to feed his own sick, unnatural existence. A team with no heart cannot survive.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Oh please, I love lurking around this site and picking up info from people like Switz. He brings useful info and thought out insight. You just come off as a sour Barber owner. YOU are the one destroying this thread. How about adding something useful?Your act has gotten so old, its ridiculous.That's not a legitimate comment on the discussion at hand? Really?Gimme a break - you're pathetic. if you're going to find fault with a comment that someone else already added good posting to...
switz's post in this thread provided decent additional insight/info on the situation. this guy is just being a jerk.
Chachi
Footballguy
Your just upset because he didn't mention how great of a RB Addai is.Your act has gotten so old, its ridiculous.That's not a legitimate comment on the discussion at hand? Really?Gimme a break - you're pathetic. if you're going to find fault with a comment that someone else already added good posting to...
The problem is, as fair as all of the anti-Jerry points are, in this thread and elsewhere, the fact remains the guy is committed to winning, which automatically puts him in the top 10-20% of all NFL owners.
Who would you take above Jerry? Football franchises nowadays are licenses to print money. The kind of person who's accumulated billions of dollars in their lifetime is not likely to care about much else, especially winning football games when, from a financial standpoint, the time/money/effort is simply not necessary. The one saving grace is the fact that football teams draw a lot of attention, much more than your average business, and nobody wants to be the guy notorious for running a losing franchise year after year.
Most owners stay out of personnel decisions for the same reason they don't mow their own lawns. It's not some heightened realization that it's beyond their expertise, they simply don't care! And if there's one truth about buinesses, no matter how large, it's that they take on the personality of the person running the show. You may think a lazy-### owner who doesn't care can still field a winning product if he makes the right hires, but making the right hires is difficult when you're lazy and don't care.
Parcells went to Dallas. One of the best coaches in history, who was out of football at the time, got lured out of retirement and went to Dallas. That doesn't happen in Detroit, or Arizona, where the next flavor-of-the-month DC/OC is probably going to have a head coaching job until 2011 (when the cycle will repeat itself, although it looks like Whisenhunt may last a little longer than that).
Ultimately, yes, Jerry has his flaws, but part of the reason he takes so much heat is because he's taking responsibility for the play of his team. Is it just to satiate his massive ego? Of course, but I'd still take him over nearly every other NFL owner except for Kraft, the Rooneys, and maybe Lurie.
Who would you take above Jerry? Football franchises nowadays are licenses to print money. The kind of person who's accumulated billions of dollars in their lifetime is not likely to care about much else, especially winning football games when, from a financial standpoint, the time/money/effort is simply not necessary. The one saving grace is the fact that football teams draw a lot of attention, much more than your average business, and nobody wants to be the guy notorious for running a losing franchise year after year.
Most owners stay out of personnel decisions for the same reason they don't mow their own lawns. It's not some heightened realization that it's beyond their expertise, they simply don't care! And if there's one truth about buinesses, no matter how large, it's that they take on the personality of the person running the show. You may think a lazy-### owner who doesn't care can still field a winning product if he makes the right hires, but making the right hires is difficult when you're lazy and don't care.
Parcells went to Dallas. One of the best coaches in history, who was out of football at the time, got lured out of retirement and went to Dallas. That doesn't happen in Detroit, or Arizona, where the next flavor-of-the-month DC/OC is probably going to have a head coaching job until 2011 (when the cycle will repeat itself, although it looks like Whisenhunt may last a little longer than that).
Ultimately, yes, Jerry has his flaws, but part of the reason he takes so much heat is because he's taking responsibility for the play of his team. Is it just to satiate his massive ego? Of course, but I'd still take him over nearly every other NFL owner except for Kraft, the Rooneys, and maybe Lurie.
T Bell
Footballguy
Terrible example. Mowing one's lawn doesn't have remotely the same level of prestige to it as being seen as a knowledgeable evaluator and manager of football talent. Do you regard Bill Polian, Scott Pioli, Ron Wolf, etc. on the same level as you do your gardener or pool man?Some owners may not care, but what's true for all of them is that they're not qualified to run the football operations of a franchise and they know it, so they delegate those responsibilities to someone qualified. Jerry's ego won't let him do that because as smart as he is otherwise as a businessman, he can't admit to himself or others that he's not qualified to be an NFL GM.
Only one NFL owner is sufficiently qualified in that regard, and that's Al Davis . . . of course, he's got some different issues.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Exactly.Look at Al Davis, Jerry. That's you in a few years.Ploys to motivate players that originate from the old, wrinkled owner...brilliant.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
ummm Jerry, maybe you'd like to get all of the info before you start spewing off.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You really need to put the Felix Jones crackpipe away bro...I would have Barber as my RB almost any day of the week...guy brings it and was one of the few bright spots on this team most of the season.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Wait a minute...I like Switz too but he has been well documented as some of us competed with him in the SSL leagues way back in like March...and he was hating on MB III back then...then when Felix came on board at Dallas, he was pretty vocal about Felix possibly being the better back.I'm not taking sides but it might be best to let it play out...Helmet wasn't the only one calling him on it so there is some truth. But Switz is alright, just very opinionated like the rest of us.Oh please, I love lurking around this site and picking up info from people like Switz. He brings useful info and thought out insight. You just come off as a sour Barber owner. YOU are the one destroying this thread. How about adding something useful?Your act has gotten so old, its ridiculous.That's not a legitimate comment on the discussion at hand? Really?Gimme a break - you're pathetic. if you're going to find fault with a comment that someone else already added good posting to...
switz's post in this thread provided decent additional insight/info on the situation. this guy is just being a jerk.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Nice clip LD...I have a question now. Felix ended up going on IR because he injured another part of his leg trying to compensate for his ankle injury IIRC...now MB III has done the same darn thing...maybe Jerry Jones needs to go out and find a couple of MDs that actually know what they are doing.
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T Bell
Footballguy
Not to worry. Jerruh's got his own stethoscope.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
Oh please, I love lurking around this site and picking up info from people like Switz. He brings useful info and thought out insight. You just come off as a sour Barber owner. YOU are the one destroying this thread. How about adding something useful?Your act has gotten so old, its ridiculous.That's not a legitimate comment on the discussion at hand? Really?Gimme a break - you're pathetic. if you're going to find fault with a comment that someone else already added good posting to...
Being Ron Wolf or Bill Polian may seem prestigious to you or me, but to a billionaire they're simply highly specialized professionals. You can hire lesser talents for much cheaper, who don't demand the autonomy (and who knows what else) that guys like that ask for, and thus most billionaire businessmen will do just that. Save for Al Davis, NFL owners are highly wealthy people/families that attained their wealth doing something else, and now have decided to own sports franchises for whatever reason. Even if an NFL sports franchise wasn't, as I said, a license to print money, an absolute surefire investment, even in Detroit... even if these guys did have to work at it and put a winning team on the field in order to sell tickets... the incentive still isn't the same, because they're all much too independently wealthy to feel the financial failure of a football team.Terrible example. Mowing one's lawn doesn't have remotely the same level of prestige to it as being seen as a knowledgeable evaluator and manager of football talent. Do you regard Bill Polian, Scott Pioli, Ron Wolf, etc. on the same level as you do your gardener or pool man?
Some owners may not care, but what's true for all of them is that they're not qualified to run the football operations of a franchise and they know it, so they delegate those responsibilities to someone qualified. Jerry's ego won't let him do that because as smart as he is otherwise as a businessman, he can't admit to himself or others that he's not qualified to be an NFL GM.
Only one NFL owner is sufficiently qualified in that regard, and that's Al Davis . . . of course, he's got some different issues.
As I said, you're not wrong about Jerry and his ego, but the fact is Jerry's ego has kept the Cowboys competitive for an impressive period of time now. Other than NE and arguably Denver, no other NFL franchise has experienced more success in the time Jones has owned the Cowboys. Like I said, the man cares about the on-field quality of his team, and that automatically makes him one of the top owners in football.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
....and now for some truth.
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Mick Shots: Let's Get This Barber Thing Straight
Posted by mickshot at 12/8/2008 5:32 PM CST on truebluefanclub.com
Not sure exactly what Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said after the game, or what he intended to say, having heard in person only bits and pieces, but there seems to be some interpreting what he said to be critical of Marion Barber’s willingness to play 10 days after dislocating his little right toe on Thanksgiving Day.
Jones was quoted as saying Barber's “toe was good enough to play,” and that was accurate. He could have, according to the trainers I talked to before Sunday’s game. But while rehabbing and testing just how well he could run – and that would be only running straight ahead mind you – during the past week, Barber developed a significant calf injury, likely because of altering how he normally runs to compensate for the injured toe.
So it was the calf injury that actually sidelined Barber, who was having problems simply running during the walk-through practice out at The Ranch on Saturday morning when the trainers decided it would be too risky for his long-term health to play him on Sunday. At that time, before leaving the complex, the club decided it would be best to leave Barber behind, giving him a better chance of being ready for this Sunday night against the Giants.
And again, if the Cowboys were so sure Barber was going to be ready to play in the first place they never would have signed Alonzo Coleman off the practice squad onto the 53-man roster on Friday. So they were sort of suspecting he might not be ready.
And I’m told that by sitting out the Pittsburgh game gives Barber a better chance of being ready for Sunday night’s game against the Giants.
So there you have it.
Mickey Spagnola
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Mick Shots: Let's Get This Barber Thing Straight
Posted by mickshot at 12/8/2008 5:32 PM CST on truebluefanclub.com
Not sure exactly what Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said after the game, or what he intended to say, having heard in person only bits and pieces, but there seems to be some interpreting what he said to be critical of Marion Barber’s willingness to play 10 days after dislocating his little right toe on Thanksgiving Day.
Jones was quoted as saying Barber's “toe was good enough to play,” and that was accurate. He could have, according to the trainers I talked to before Sunday’s game. But while rehabbing and testing just how well he could run – and that would be only running straight ahead mind you – during the past week, Barber developed a significant calf injury, likely because of altering how he normally runs to compensate for the injured toe.
So it was the calf injury that actually sidelined Barber, who was having problems simply running during the walk-through practice out at The Ranch on Saturday morning when the trainers decided it would be too risky for his long-term health to play him on Sunday. At that time, before leaving the complex, the club decided it would be best to leave Barber behind, giving him a better chance of being ready for this Sunday night against the Giants.
And again, if the Cowboys were so sure Barber was going to be ready to play in the first place they never would have signed Alonzo Coleman off the practice squad onto the 53-man roster on Friday. So they were sort of suspecting he might not be ready.
And I’m told that by sitting out the Pittsburgh game gives Barber a better chance of being ready for Sunday night’s game against the Giants.
So there you have it.
Mickey Spagnola
lord_helmet
Footballguy
I'd like to open a thread about Barber and the Cowboys without this clown trying to put a spin on everything, my bad I'm a horrible person.
T Bell
Footballguy
Maybe you should start your very own special thread.
