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"The Revisionaries" tonight (1/28) on PBS (2 Viewers)

All we see is a 2 minute preview but it seems obvious we have a lunatic running things in education. 1. The textbook mafia thing is interesting and something I noticed on my way back thru college. The textbooks are so overpriced, granted they sell less of them than Stephen King sells horror novels but still it seems like a scam and yet nobody asks questions. 2. Forget the nut job, focus on the idea of what the kids learn from ages 5 to 18 in school. Are we really preparing them for the future in this country? Are we doing what we can? IMO all kids should get at least 2-3 solid hours a day of hands on computer time with both PCs and Apple products so they can learn. We can chop out history as painful as that is for me, if students want to read the history books they can find them in bundles in the library. I'm not sure knowing the dates of when Lincoln crossed the Potomac matters as much as the brutal reality that to survive and find decent work these days you better at least be good enough to find entry level computer work.Some other subjects that should be added would include mental health and happiness, realistic way to manage bills and a basic understanding of how money really works. We should not be learning about the Rule of 72 when we get to be the ripe old age of 40 or 50, time is precious and it is a major factor in long term investments. Warren Buffett was interviewed recently on one of the Sunday Morning shows, very basic advice but sound advice for the average American, we need to be teaching what the World's 3rd richest man is dishing out IMO. Music and the Arts must be worked back into the curriculum, it's the only path to greatness for many and we take it away from them. I doubt I could sit and watch this guy talk about dinosaurs on the Ark...just mind boggling we would accept anyone in that position to openly try and force this as an idea on folks, absurd when all scientific evidence points to much different conclusions.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
All we see is a 2 minute preview but it seems obvious we have a lunatic running things in education.

1. The textbook mafia thing is interesting and something I noticed on my way back thru college. The textbooks are so overpriced, granted they sell less of them than Stephen King sells horror novels but still it seems like a scam and yet nobody asks questions.

2. Forget the nut job, focus on the idea of what the kids learn from ages 5 to 18 in school. Are we really preparing them for the future in this country? Are we doing what we can? IMO all kids should get at least 2-3 solid hours a day of hands on computer time with both PCs and Apple products so they can learn. We can chop out history as painful as that is for me, if students want to read the history books they can find them in bundles in the library. I'm not sure knowing the dates of when Lincoln crossed the Potomac matters as much as the brutal reality that to survive and find decent work these days you better at least be good enough to find entry level computer work.

Some other subjects that should be added would include mental health and happiness, realistic way to manage bills and a basic understanding of how money really works. We should not be learning about the Rule of 72 when we get to be the ripe old age of 40 or 50, time is precious and it is a major factor in long term investments. Warren Buffett was interviewed recently on one of the Sunday Morning shows, very basic advice but sound advice for the average American, we need to be teaching what the World's 3rd richest man is dishing out IMO.

Music and the Arts must be worked back into the curriculum, it's the only path to greatness for many and we take it away from them.

I doubt I could sit and watch this guy talk about dinosaurs on the Ark...just mind boggling we would accept anyone in that position to openly try and force this as an idea on folks, absurd when all scientific evidence points to much different conclusions.
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My kids do spend 2 hours + a day on the computer. It's called homework.
 
Funniest show i've seen in years. These serial-killers of thought have finally convinced me that the perfectability of man is a fool's dream, as much of a hallucination as any of my hippie flashbacks. Willful stupidity is simply too much more powerful a way to be sure than is thought. How may truth or sense prevail against such a force?!. I have seen the light and I am liberated. Prayz bee 2 gAWD!!!!

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
We can chop out history as painful as that is for me, if students want to read the history books they can find them in bundles in the library. I'm not sure knowing the dates of when Lincoln crossed the Potomac matters
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If this were anyone else I'd think it was shtick.
 
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'Ministry of Pain said:
All we see is a 2 minute preview but it seems obvious we have a lunatic running things in education.

1. The textbook mafia thing is interesting and something I noticed on my way back thru college. The textbooks are so overpriced, granted they sell less of them than Stephen King sells horror novels but still it seems like a scam and yet nobody asks questions.

2. Forget the nut job, focus on the idea of what the kids learn from ages 5 to 18 in school. Are we really preparing them for the future in this country? Are we doing what we can? IMO all kids should get at least 2-3 solid hours a day of hands on computer time with both PCs and Apple products so they can learn. We can chop out history as painful as that is for me, if students want to read the history books they can find them in bundles in the library. I'm not sure knowing the dates of when Lincoln crossed the Potomac matters as much as the brutal reality that to survive and find decent work these days you better at least be good enough to find entry level computer work.

Some other subjects that should be added would include mental health and happiness, realistic way to manage bills and a basic understanding of how money really works. We should not be learning about the Rule of 72 when we get to be the ripe old age of 40 or 50, time is precious and it is a major factor in long term investments. Warren Buffett was interviewed recently on one of the Sunday Morning shows, very basic advice but sound advice for the average American, we need to be teaching what the World's 3rd richest man is dishing out IMO.

Music and the Arts must be worked back into the curriculum, it's the only path to greatness for many and we take it away from them.

I doubt I could sit and watch this guy talk about dinosaurs on the Ark...just mind boggling we would accept anyone in that position to openly try and force this as an idea on folks, absurd when all scientific evidence points to much different conclusions.
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Oof. History deals with quite a bit of critical thinking if taught properly.It can help explain why things are the way they are today. It is a must for an educated and informed populace.

 
'Rush Limbaugh said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
All we see is a 2 minute preview but it seems obvious we have a lunatic running things in education.

1. The textbook mafia thing is interesting and something I noticed on my way back thru college. The textbooks are so overpriced, granted they sell less of them than Stephen King sells horror novels but still it seems like a scam and yet nobody asks questions.

2. Forget the nut job, focus on the idea of what the kids learn from ages 5 to 18 in school. Are we really preparing them for the future in this country? Are we doing what we can? IMO all kids should get at least 2-3 solid hours a day of hands on computer time with both PCs and Apple products so they can learn. We can chop out history as painful as that is for me, if students want to read the history books they can find them in bundles in the library. I'm not sure knowing the dates of when Lincoln crossed the Potomac matters as much as the brutal reality that to survive and find decent work these days you better at least be good enough to find entry level computer work.

Some other subjects that should be added would include mental health and happiness, realistic way to manage bills and a basic understanding of how money really works. We should not be learning about the Rule of 72 when we get to be the ripe old age of 40 or 50, time is precious and it is a major factor in long term investments. Warren Buffett was interviewed recently on one of the Sunday Morning shows, very basic advice but sound advice for the average American, we need to be teaching what the World's 3rd richest man is dishing out IMO.

Music and the Arts must be worked back into the curriculum, it's the only path to greatness for many and we take it away from them.

I doubt I could sit and watch this guy talk about dinosaurs on the Ark...just mind boggling we would accept anyone in that position to openly try and force this as an idea on folks, absurd when all scientific evidence points to much different conclusions.
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Oof. History deals with quite a bit of critical thinking if taught properly.It can help explain why things are the way they are today. It is a must for an educated and informed populace.
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I agree. And knowing that the opposing viewpoint comes from MoP makes me that much more sure that I'm right.
 
'Rush Limbaugh said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
All we see is a 2 minute preview but it seems obvious we have a lunatic running things in education.

1. The textbook mafia thing is interesting and something I noticed on my way back thru college. The textbooks are so overpriced, granted they sell less of them than Stephen King sells horror novels but still it seems like a scam and yet nobody asks questions.

2. Forget the nut job, focus on the idea of what the kids learn from ages 5 to 18 in school. Are we really preparing them for the future in this country? Are we doing what we can? IMO all kids should get at least 2-3 solid hours a day of hands on computer time with both PCs and Apple products so they can learn. We can chop out history as painful as that is for me, if students want to read the history books they can find them in bundles in the library. I'm not sure knowing the dates of when Lincoln crossed the Potomac matters as much as the brutal reality that to survive and find decent work these days you better at least be good enough to find entry level computer work.

Some other subjects that should be added would include mental health and happiness, realistic way to manage bills and a basic understanding of how money really works. We should not be learning about the Rule of 72 when we get to be the ripe old age of 40 or 50, time is precious and it is a major factor in long term investments. Warren Buffett was interviewed recently on one of the Sunday Morning shows, very basic advice but sound advice for the average American, we need to be teaching what the World's 3rd richest man is dishing out IMO.

Music and the Arts must be worked back into the curriculum, it's the only path to greatness for many and we take it away from them.

I doubt I could sit and watch this guy talk about dinosaurs on the Ark...just mind boggling we would accept anyone in that position to openly try and force this as an idea on folks, absurd when all scientific evidence points to much different conclusions.
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Oof. History deals with quite a bit of critical thinking if taught properly.It can help explain why things are the way they are today. It is a must for an educated and informed populace.
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I love history, its one of the easiest ways to predict the future. And of course the Lincoln line was a joke, everyone knows it was Thomas Jefferson leading the way, my goodness.
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
'Officer Pete Malloy said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
I'm not sure knowing the dates of when Lincoln crossed the Potomac matters as much as the brutal reality that to survive and find decent work these days you better at least be good enough to find entry level computer work.
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Just stop.
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Well it takes $100,000 a year to live on these days, let's cut to the chase here.
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Cool. Let's cut to the chase. You talking about education is like Amy Winehouse talking about self-restraint.
 
Just watched. Infuriating. Not sure if I should thank you Pete, or report your ### for getting me all wound up this late on a week night.####### conservative idiots.

 
Just watched it. Not bad. I wish they would've delved more into the actual impact of the board's decisions rather than just following McLeroy and Dunbar around and trying to make them look simple (McLeroy) or crazy (Dunbar).

 
'Steve Tasker said:
Just watched it. Not bad. I wish they would've delved more into the actual impact of the board's decisions rather than just following McLeroy and Dunbar around and trying to make them look simple (McLeroy) or crazy (Dunbar).
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Nobody had to try to make those two fruitbaskets look simple or crazy. They are.
 
What an embarrassing hackjob of a documentary. I don't understand why they can't say that there are 2 schools of thought and that some believe evolution and some believe intelligent design. The crackpots at the Texas Freedom network act like the world is going to fall apart if evolution isn't taught in schools and what's worse they are trying to present evolution as fact. Science also believed the world was flat at one time.I remember being taught evolution in 7th grade. It was taught to me as fact that the world sprang forth from a tiny dot and the teacher never explained where the tiny dot or anything else came from. It was ridiculous coming out of her mouth. I had a hard time believing anything else she taught after that.Love Stanley Tucci as an actor, but I've lost respect for him attaching his name to this nonsense. I would expect no less from Michael Moore however.

 
'knightmcgee said:
What an embarrassing hackjob of a documentary. I don't understand why they can't say that there are 2 schools of thought and that some believe evolution and some believe intelligent design. The crackpots at the Texas Freedom network act like the world is going to fall apart if evolution isn't taught in schools and what's worse they are trying to present evolution as fact. Science also believed the world was flat at one time.I remember being taught evolution in 7th grade. It was taught to me as fact that the world sprang forth from a tiny dot and the teacher never explained where the tiny dot or anything else came from. It was ridiculous coming out of her mouth. I had a hard time believing anything else she taught after that.Love Stanley Tucci as an actor, but I've lost respect for him attaching his name to this nonsense. I would expect no less from Michael Moore however.
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i dont believe in science. i just believe in me. Yoko & me.giddyap, Dino!
 
'knightmcgee said:
What an embarrassing hackjob of a documentary. I don't understand why they can't say that there are 2 schools of thought and that some believe evolution and some believe intelligent design. The crackpots at the Texas Freedom network act like the world is going to fall apart if evolution isn't taught in schools and what's worse they are trying to present evolution as fact. Science also believed the world was flat at one time.I remember being taught evolution in 7th grade. It was taught to me as fact that the world sprang forth from a tiny dot and the teacher never explained where the tiny dot or anything else came from. It was ridiculous coming out of her mouth. I had a hard time believing anything else she taught after that.Love Stanley Tucci as an actor, but I've lost respect for him attaching his name to this nonsense. I would expect no less from Michael Moore however.
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So your point is that as a 13 yr old you knew more about science than your teacher, because she taught evolution?Do you often end up with your shoes on the wrong foot?
 
It was intellectually disingenuous of her to present evolution as fact when there are Mack-sized holes in the theory. No one can prove or disprove evolution and she gave the magic Lucky Charms version.Well, where did that dot come from?We don't know.Well, how did the dot explode? We don't know how. We just know that it exploded and created the universe. Total head scratcher.

 
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'knightmcgee said:
It was intellectually disingenuous of her to present evolution as fact when there are Mack-sized holes in the theory. No one can prove or disprove evolution and she gave the magic Lucky Charms version.Well, where did that dot come from?We don't know.Well, how did the dot explode? We don't know how. We just know that it exploded and created the universe. Total head scratcher.
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Apparently. So, since you call the Big Bang Evolution, what do you call Evolution?
 
'Henry Ford said:
'knightmcgee said:
It was intellectually disingenuous of her to present evolution as fact when there are Mack-sized holes in the theory. No one can prove or disprove evolution and she gave the magic Lucky Charms version.Well, where did that dot come from?We don't know.Well, how did the dot explode? We don't know how. We just know that it exploded and created the universe. Total head scratcher.
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Apparently. So, since you call the Big Bang Evolution, what do you call Evolution?
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Nice catch. But he probably deserves a pass as critical thinking isnt his strong suit... and maybe it was the schooling that let him down.
 
'knightmcgee said:
What an embarrassing hackjob of a documentary. I don't understand why they can't say that there are 2 schools of thought and that some believe evolution and some believe intelligent design. The crackpots at the Texas Freedom network act like the world is going to fall apart if evolution isn't taught in schools and what's worse they are trying to present evolution as fact. Science also believed the world was flat at one time.

I remember being taught evolution in 7th grade. It was taught to me as fact that the world sprang forth from a tiny dot and the teacher never explained where the tiny dot or anything else came from. It was ridiculous coming out of her mouth. I had a hard time believing anything else she taught after that.

Love Stanley Tucci as an actor, but I've lost respect for him attaching his name to this nonsense. I would expect no less from Michael Moore however.
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:popcorn: There are only two schools of thought? Interesting.

 
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'knightmcgee said:
What an embarrassing hackjob of a documentary. I don't understand why they can't say that there are 2 schools of thought and that some believe evolution and some believe intelligent design. The crackpots at the Texas Freedom network act like the world is going to fall apart if evolution isn't taught in schools and what's worse they are trying to present evolution as fact. Science also believed the world was flat at one time.

I remember being taught evolution in 7th grade. It was taught to me as fact that the world sprang forth from a tiny dot and the teacher never explained where the tiny dot or anything else came from. It was ridiculous coming out of her mouth. I had a hard time believing anything else she taught after that.

Love Stanley Tucci as an actor, but I've lost respect for him attaching his name to this nonsense. I would expect no less from Michael Moore however.
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I loved you on Growing Pains
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Henry Ford said:
'knightmcgee said:
It was intellectually disingenuous of her to present evolution as fact when there are Mack-sized holes in the theory. No one can prove or disprove evolution and she gave the magic Lucky Charms version.Well, where did that dot come from?We don't know.Well, how did the dot explode? We don't know how. We just know that it exploded and created the universe. Total head scratcher.
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Apparently. So, since you call the Big Bang Evolution, what do you call Evolution?
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Nice catch. But he probably deserves a pass as critical thinking isnt his strong suit... and maybe it was the schooling that let him down.
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I also think we should stop teaching music theory in schools. It's just paint on a canvas. Seems ridiculous.
 
'knightmcgee said:
What an embarrassing hackjob of a documentary. I don't understand why they can't say that there are 2 schools of thought and that some believe evolution and some believe intelligent design. The crackpots at the Texas Freedom network act like the world is going to fall apart if evolution isn't taught in schools and what's worse they are trying to present evolution as fact. Science also believed the world was flat at one time.I remember being taught evolution in 7th grade. It was taught to me as fact that the world sprang forth from a tiny dot and the teacher never explained where the tiny dot or anything else came from. It was ridiculous coming out of her mouth. I had a hard time believing anything else she taught after that.Love Stanley Tucci as an actor, but I've lost respect for him attaching his name to this nonsense. I would expect no less from Michael Moore however.
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:lmao:
 
'knightmcgee said:
It was intellectually disingenuous of her to present evolution as fact when there are Mack-sized holes in the theory. No one can prove or disprove evolution and she gave the magic Lucky Charms version.
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You should go back and punch every science teacher you ever had for not teaching what a scientific theory is.
 
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