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RONNIE BROWN .. last year a top 10 DYNASTY PICK ..

this off-season a top 10 - 15 dynasty pick

this coming weekend ..

we will all see the RONNIE BROWN STOCK either CRASH ( RBBC ) or HOLD STEADY

Personally I was a BIG RONNIE BROWN fan until recently .......

the more i look at RONNIE BROWN the more i see a guy who has had his BEST YEARS in the NFL and college splitting carries

he looked more comfortable when he was splitting with Caddy and RICKY WILLIAMS than he did last year trying to be the # 1 ...............

Cam has said many times he wants a 2 headed monster and that from week to week the AMOUNT of carries each Rb gets could change .... if i can see that RONNIE BROWN is good splitting carries .. I am pretty sure a NFL COACH can see the same thing

while i think JESSE CHATMAN long term wont be the RBBC partner .. I think we are seeing a situation going up in flames

whats everyones opinion ????????????????????

( i personally dealt him in both dynasty leagues ... but still as i was hitting accept .. my stomach turned ...because the guy still might turn out to be a total stud ! )

BUT i wasnt willing to take the change and watch the stock fall on its face

THE MOMENT RONNIE BROWN GOES 14 for 60 yards and CHATMAN GOES 12 - 40 .. BROWNS STOCK and TRADE VALUE HITS THE FLOOR

 
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Sanboy said:
RONNIE BROWN .. last year a top 10 DYNASTY PICK ..

this off-season a top 10 - 15 dynasty pick

this coming weekend ..

we will all see the RONNIE BROWN STOCK either CRASH ( RBBC ) or HOLD STEADY

Personally I was a BIG RONNIE BROWN fan until recently .......

the more i look at RONNIE BROWN the more i see a guy who has had his BEST YEARS in the NFL and college splitting carries

he looked more comfortable when he was splitting with Caddy and RICKY WILLIAMS than he did last year trying to be the # 1 ...............

Cam has said many times he wants a 2 headed monster and that from week to week the AMOUNT of carries each Rb gets could change .... if i can see that RONNIE BROWN is good splitting carries .. I am pretty sure a NFL COACH can see the same thing

while i think JESSE CHATMAN long term wont be the RBBC partner .. I think we are seeing a situation going up in flames

whats everyones opinion ????????????????????
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I thought he was doing pretty well last year until he got hurt, especially when you consider how bad his supporting cast is. Not many other RBs who could do any better IMO.
 
so who did you get when you traded him?

Sanboy said:
RONNIE BROWN .. last year a top 10 DYNASTY PICK ..

this off-season a top 10 - 15 dynasty pick

this coming weekend ..

we will all see the RONNIE BROWN STOCK either CRASH ( RBBC ) or HOLD STEADY

Personally I was a BIG RONNIE BROWN fan until recently .......

the more i look at RONNIE BROWN the more i see a guy who has had his BEST YEARS in the NFL and college splitting carries

he looked more comfortable when he was splitting with Caddy and RICKY WILLIAMS than he did last year trying to be the # 1 ...............

Cam has said many times he wants a 2 headed monster and that from week to week the AMOUNT of carries each Rb gets could change .... if i can see that RONNIE BROWN is good splitting carries .. I am pretty sure a NFL COACH can see the same thing

while i think JESSE CHATMAN long term wont be the RBBC partner .. I think we are seeing a situation going up in flames

whats everyones opinion ????????????????????

( i personally dealt him in both dynasty leagues ... but still as i was hitting accept .. my stomach turned ...because the guy still might turn out to be a total stud ! )

BUT i wasnt willing to take the change and watch the stock fall on its face

THE MOMENT RONNIE BROWN GOES 14 for 60 yards and CHATMAN GOES 12 - 40 .. BROWNS STOCK and TRADE VALUE HITS THE FLOOR
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does it really matter .. glad to see you contributed to the post .. really helped in regards to the fantasy outlook of ronnie brown ..

 
Ronnie brown is just in a bad situation in Miami. The last 2 years he has done relatively well rushing and receiving for being on a subpar team with a bad o-line. If he was in Addais or Henrys situation this year he would be a top 8 overall pick. I think he will play well enough to warrant at least 70% of the carries this year. No way Chatman takes over as the feature back unless Brown is hurt.

 
i agree with that .. there is ZERO chance CHATMAN taking the starting position ..

but i do think he will cut into Browns carries somewhere between 50 / 50 split and 70 / 30

 
gregjcross said:
so who did you get when you traded him?

Sanboy said:
RONNIE BROWN .. last year a top 10 DYNASTY PICK ..

this off-season a top 10 - 15 dynasty pick

this coming weekend ..

we will all see the RONNIE BROWN STOCK either CRASH ( RBBC ) or HOLD STEADY

Personally I was a BIG RONNIE BROWN fan until recently .......

the more i look at RONNIE BROWN the more i see a guy who has had his BEST YEARS in the NFL and college splitting carries

he looked more comfortable when he was splitting with Caddy and RICKY WILLIAMS than he did last year trying to be the # 1 ...............

Cam has said many times he wants a 2 headed monster and that from week to week the AMOUNT of carries each Rb gets could change .... if i can see that RONNIE BROWN is good splitting carries .. I am pretty sure a NFL COACH can see the same thing

while i think JESSE CHATMAN long term wont be the RBBC partner .. I think we are seeing a situation going up in flames

whats everyones opinion ????????????????????

( i personally dealt him in both dynasty leagues ... but still as i was hitting accept .. my stomach turned ...because the guy still might turn out to be a total stud ! )

BUT i wasnt willing to take the change and watch the stock fall on its face

THE MOMENT RONNIE BROWN GOES 14 for 60 yards and CHATMAN GOES 12 - 40 .. BROWNS STOCK and TRADE VALUE HITS THE FLOOR
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Cant happen , Chatman will never get 12 carries in a game ( Unless Brown is injured )
 
I just really don't get the Brown hate at all. His supporting cast stinks but he was doing well last year until he got hurt and people are jumping all over him for preseason performance issues of which I think he's looked really solid. :bag:

 
I'll play this little game of speculation. Obviously Ronnie's situation is not ideal. But I think his supporting cast is more of a concern than Chattman. Chattman stays in on 2RB sets and is a speller when Ronnie needs a breather and an occassional change of pace back. I'll say RB finishes somewhere warranting the mid 2nd rd pick it took to draft him with a better possibility to move up rather than down.

I agree though, this week is huge for his stock price.

 
Horses Mouth said:
I just really don't get the Brown hate at all. His supporting cast stinks but he was doing well last year until he got hurt and people are jumping all over him for preseason performance issues of which I think he's looked really solid. :)
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I'm not sure why you consider it "hate". I don't think anyone here personally hates Ronnie Brown. The reason many of us are leary of Brown as a fantasy RB this year is because judging by his coaches comments, it's clear that Brown isn't playing as well as expected as evidenced by Jesse Chatman challenging for the starting role. Brown was a 1st round pick in most fantasy drafts, yet wasn't even named the starter until a few days ago, and when he was, it was a very weak endorsement for a starting fantasy RB. So far, there's not much to be excited about with Brown, but much cause for concern.
 
Last year, with a carousel of crappy QB's and a horrid OL, Ronnie managed 4.2ypc and caught 33 passes. It's his low TD total (5) that people didn't like. Here are a few RB's who had a lower ypc in 2006:

Rudi Johnson - 3.8

Chester Taylor - 4.0

Thomas Jones - 4.1

Edgerrin James - 3.4

Warrick Dunn - 4.0

Jamal Lewis - 3.6

Julius Jones - 4.1

Ahman Green - 4.0

All those guys listed were 1,000 yard rushers, and make up 8 of the top 19 rushing yardage leaders.

 
I think Brown's stock will shoot up after this game. People will realize that he still is a top 10 RB and that Chatman is nothing to worry about (never was).

 
I wouldnt sweat the Brown/Chatman committee talk from Cameron. I think Chatman will serve the role of many backup RBs throughout the league. He'll get about 20% of the action of all downs. That's to be expected. But as for Cameron playing head games with Brown, Im not buying all that talk. First of all, he's clearly somewhat of an old-school coach in that he doesnt throw around praise easily. And you have to earn that. And you really can only do that on game day. And they havent had any games yet, so noone has really earned any praise. Working hard and looking good in the offseason is nice, but its not the crux of what these guys do. These guys get paid to play on Sundays, and their only meaningful evaluations will come from gameday performance. Cameron is used to seeing Tomlinson run. For several years. Of course Brown isnt going to measure up to the standard Cam is accustomed to. He's been watching the world's best player carry the ball for quite a while. And he's clearly set his bar for Brown very high. So its a good thing that he's pushing him and not praising him. But we'll have to see how Brown responds to the challenge. Some players step up and rise to the occasion when challenged. Others wither and wilt. Brown will get his full shot to shine. Its now just a matter of what he does with the ball when its given to him. But if he has any kind of 'edge' or mean streak to his game, he needs to start showing it because to this point I just havent seen it.

 
I think the subhead of this thread is exactly right. It will either sink or hold steady-- in other words, it won't go up no matter what. If he has a bad game, he could split time all season. If he has a great game, he'll keep the job for one week. If he flops in the next game, he's right back in the doghouse.

I'm not saying that's fair. I think Brown should be the guy over Chatman and given a chance to perform knowing he's the guy. But Cam seems to see it differently.

 
Maybe I'm naive or whatever but there is no way that Ronnie Brown is going to be kept down by Jesse Chatman of all people. If you have Brown as your second RB or even lower I think you got a steal.

 
The Man with the Plan said:
Maybe I'm naive or whatever but there is no way that Ronnie Brown is going to be kept down by Jesse Chatman of all people. If you have Brown as your second RB or even lower I think you got a steal.
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Totally agree. This is 'much ado about nothing' and will be a reminder in the future about coach speak and meaningless "competitions." If he had Ricky Williams there, it would be different. But Chatman is not a credible threat; it doesn't meet the 'common sense' rule, which says, despite what is being reported what does your common sense tell you.
 
I'm pretty down on Ronnie Brown this year. Just advised a friend to get rid of him before this Sunday and he pulled off a trade for Cedric Benson straight up. Personally I think Ronnie is going to way under perform his ADP this year.

 
A lot of Ronnie Brown's decline came on paper this offseason due to quotes from Cam Cameron. The rest of the bad feelings around Brown, stem from his performance in a nightmare season with Joey Harrington QBing the team.

Personally, I think Brown is massively underrated from a talent perspective. The guy catches the ball well enough to be a 50+ catch RB. He has enough power to be a great goalline RB (see week 1 last year). And from watching Dolphin's games, I get the feeling that Brown was shut down more due to his offensive line and the QB play rather than a lack of talent.

Give him a year, see what Trent Green does with this offense before you pass judgement. Even last year the guy was scoring double digit points week in and week out on a very bad offense.

 
kensat30 said:
A lot of Ronnie Brown's decline came on paper this offseason due to quotes from Cam Cameron. The rest of the bad feelings around Brown, stem from his performance in a nightmare season with Joey Harrington QBing the team.Personally, I think Brown is massively underrated from a talent perspective. The guy catches the ball well enough to be a 50+ catch RB. He has enough power to be a great goalline RB (see week 1 last year). And from watching Dolphin's games, I get the feeling that Brown was shut down more due to his offensive line and the QB play rather than a lack of talent.Give him a year, see what Trent Green does with this offense before you pass judgement. Even last year the guy was scoring double digit points week in and week out on a very bad offense.
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last season wasn't even a terrible season like people like to think it was. He was a top 10 RB in PPR up until he broke his hand. He's also had a good pre-season, despite the reports you will see here.
 
TheLastDispatch said:
I'm pretty down on Ronnie Brown this year. Just advised a friend to get rid of him before this Sunday and he pulled off a trade for Cedric Benson straight up. Personally I think Ronnie is going to way under perform his ADP this year.
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barring injury, where does he rank then? Presently, he's @ RB14, per antsports.com.
 
agree. chatman should give ronnie brown a breather once in a while, but this shouldn't be RBBC. brown has loads of talent. cam should treat him like LT and develop him.

 
A mediocre back on a bad offense is always going to be a suspect play. He should be better than he was this week, but he's not a good option.

 
So Chatman looked good to you guys?

I have no idea where this love is coming from.

Neither back is going to have much value this year if the split continues like this. It seemed to me that whenever Brown would get rolling, he would come out of the game.

 
it doesnt really matter how bad Chatman looked today . .the fact that Ronnie Brown hasnt made it a question if he is a full time Rb is the problem

splat .. zero value

 
Sanboy said:
it doesnt really matter how bad Chatman looked today . .the fact that Ronnie Brown hasnt made it a question if he is a full time Rb is the problem splat .. zero value
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Ok, I watched the whole game. Chatman was terrible, R Brown was not much better, but he shows sign of being really good. He played with intesity, and almost broke a couple of those passes for big gains or even TD. I mean Chatman got the goaline carries and he was pathetic. There were a lot of 2 back sets and R brown was the FB. Chatman surely is not the answer. And also, if you watched LT today, he was doing nothing, but after getting ample shots he broke through and had a decent game. Same with Shaun Alexander. Man, Cam needs to understand this, I can't believe how bad he coached this game. ON a side note, Portis looked really good!
 
kncks12 said:
Sanboy said:
it doesnt really matter how bad Chatman looked today . .the fact that Ronnie Brown hasnt made it a question if he is a full time Rb is the problem splat .. zero value
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Ok, I watched the whole game. Chatman was terrible, R Brown was not much better, but he shows sign of being really good. He played with intesity, and almost broke a couple of those passes for big gains or even TD. I mean Chatman got the goaline carries and he was pathetic. There were a lot of 2 back sets and R brown was the FB. Chatman surely is not the answer. And also, if you watched LT today, he was doing nothing, but after getting ample shots he broke through and had a decent game. Same with Shaun Alexander. Man, Cam needs to understand this, I can't believe how bad he coached this game. ON a side note, Portis looked really good!
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Totally agreed , Cameron is a terrible coach he has absolutely no clue what he is doing .Chatman is awful and i guess Cameron does nt understand how it works i mean if you give him the ball 20 to 25 times he will end up with over a 4ypc average cause he will break a few good one and maybe a score .You cant split like that and expect your RB to be productive ( Especially if you have no OL and no QB , Green was also bad ).Good that Belichick is nt Cameron cause Morris would be starting next week.
 
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CiderHouse said:
So Chatman looked good to you guys?I have no idea where this love is coming from.Neither back is going to have much value this year if the split continues like this. It seemed to me that whenever Brown would get rolling, he would come out of the game.
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No Chatman did not look good. I have no idea what they did today with Ronnie and Chatman. If they're going to share a backfield, get two guys with differing styles (Brown and Booker; and get Booker in space)
 
that was a pretty stout run defense today. Chatman didn't do much on the ground either. I think Ronnie is the type of back that if you keep feeding him the ball he'll get progressively better as the game goes on. Whether or not they're going to do that remains to be seen though. Chatman did see his fair share today.

 
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Bears_Man2 said:
CiderHouse said:
So Chatman looked good to you guys?I have no idea where this love is coming from.Neither back is going to have much value this year if the split continues like this. It seemed to me that whenever Brown would get rolling, he would come out of the game.
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No Chatman did not look good. I have no idea what they did today with Ronnie and Chatman. If they're going to share a backfield, get two guys with differing styles (Brown and Booker; and get Booker in space)
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Chatman looked like a back who was out of the league for a year and is back. In all fairness, both could not get going because Cam has no rhyme or reason for rotating those backs. He clearly has a scripted plan, but the plan does not make sense. Chatman could be the worst goalline back of all time. Both caught many balls because they would get fake and go up middle and then Green would dump off. There were NO running plays to the outside. Everything and I mean everything was up the middle. It was the worst called game ever. Was he really calling the plays in SD?
 
Bears_Man2 said:
CiderHouse said:
So Chatman looked good to you guys?I have no idea where this love is coming from.Neither back is going to have much value this year if the split continues like this. It seemed to me that whenever Brown would get rolling, he would come out of the game.
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No Chatman did not look good. I have no idea what they did today with Ronnie and Chatman. If they're going to share a backfield, get two guys with differing styles (Brown and Booker; and get Booker in space)
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You dont split the carries that s the worst thing to do, Brown is a very good RB he proved it in is first two seasons give him the ball 25 times he will put up the numbers for you ( Not 11 times ) . Booker would not be the answer , stricly on some 3rd down and once in a while change of pace but that should be it .Cameron has zero experience has a head coach and it shows , the guy looks to be on a power trip ( It s ok when you know what you are doing )
 
After watching this game today, I figured out what SD was doing. They held onto Marty because they did not want to hire Cam. I am sure fans would have been calling for Cameron to be coach. When Miami picked him up, the pressure was off and they could get who they wanted. He is an absolutely TERRIBLE head coach. He was TERRIBLE in Indiana, and he is surely no better in Miami!

 
Traders2001 said:
kncks12 said:
Sanboy said:
it doesnt really matter how bad Chatman looked today . .the fact that Ronnie Brown hasnt made it a question if he is a full time Rb is the problem

splat .. zero value
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Ok, I watched the whole game. Chatman was terrible, R Brown was not much better, but he shows sign of being really good. He played with intesity, and almost broke a couple of those passes for big gains or even TD. I mean Chatman got the goaline carries and he was pathetic. There were a lot of 2 back sets and R brown was the FB. Chatman surely is not the answer. And also, if you watched LT today, he was doing nothing, but after getting ample shots he broke through and had a decent game. Same with Shaun Alexander. Man, Cam needs to understand this, I can't believe how bad he coached this game. ON a side note, Portis looked really good!
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Totally agreed , Cameron is a terrible coach he has absolutely no clue what he is doing .

Chatman is awful and i guess Cameron does nt understand how it works i mean if you give him the ball 20 to 25 times he will end up with over a 4ypc average cause he will break a few good one and maybe a score .

You cant split like that and expect your RB to be productive ( Especially if you have no OL and no QB , Green was also bad ).

Good that Belichick is nt Cameron cause Morris would be starting next week.
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Tedd Ginn and his family will be great for the City of Miami . . .
 
Traders2001 said:
kncks12 said:
Sanboy said:
it doesnt really matter how bad Chatman looked today . .the fact that Ronnie Brown hasnt made it a question if he is a full time Rb is the problem

splat .. zero value
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Ok, I watched the whole game. Chatman was terrible, R Brown was not much better, but he shows sign of being really good. He played with intesity, and almost broke a couple of those passes for big gains or even TD. I mean Chatman got the goaline carries and he was pathetic. There were a lot of 2 back sets and R brown was the FB. Chatman surely is not the answer. And also, if you watched LT today, he was doing nothing, but after getting ample shots he broke through and had a decent game. Same with Shaun Alexander. Man, Cam needs to understand this, I can't believe how bad he coached this game. ON a side note, Portis looked really good!
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Totally agreed , Cameron is a terrible coach he has absolutely no clue what he is doing .Chatman is awful and i guess Cameron does nt understand how it works i mean if you give him the ball 20 to 25 times he will end up with over a 4ypc average cause he will break a few good one and maybe a score .

You cant split like that and expect your RB to be productive ( Especially if you have no OL and no QB , Green was also bad ).

Good that Belichick is nt Cameron cause Morris would be starting next week.
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I was at the game. Green was not bad. His WR were horrendous though. They dropped at least 6 passes that were right on the money, many of which killed drives. Even with the drops, Trent was 24 of 38 with 220 and a TD. Without the drops he could have been 30-38 with a lot more yardage -plus the extra offensive snaps and production he would have had with the extra first downs. The OL wasnt good as far as the run blocking - that was evident. But this is a young OL that just played it's first game together. A lot of offenses looked sub par today, and often do in week 1. I would give this situation some time before I gave up on it. There are improvable variables here. All of that said, there is reason for concern for sure.

 
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