The Saints With James Winston As Their Starting QB... (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

The Saints With James Winston As Their Starting QB...

 

[farfromforgotten]

Voted "Are In Trouble". For all that Brees had lost in terms of ability he still doesn't turn the ball over much. Jameis seems to be good for a couple of those per game. He won't have Evans and Godwin to sling the ball to anymore. I don't remember him ever throwing to the RBs much in TB either. So the question is has he matured enough as a QB to play to the strengths of this Saints team? Which seems to be getting the ball into the hands of Kamara and making quick reads, shorter completions. Brees has no problem reading a defense and making the correct decision with the ball. Will Jameis be able to do so? 

TB and NO fans please correct any of the above if I'm wrong as I do not cover either of those teams as much as I do my own. 

 

[habsfan]

Voted "will hang on" assuming it's in the context of Brees missing 2-3 games and returning. Beyond that I would be in the "trouble" camp.

 

[SoBeDad]

How many Winston INTs were on short passes? I think most were on intermediate and long passes, which he won't be doing much in NO. I think he'll be fine, relying on Kamara by land and air, lots of short crossing routes, with an occasional long pass to stretch the defense. 

 

[Ghost Rider]

From a fantasy perspective, I think this will be good for the wide receivers.  Brees was still highly effective picking a defense apart and finding the open man, but he had really lost the ability to chuck it deep, which Winston can do, and I think they will definitely take shots now with E. Sanders and Thomas and the others. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm clutching rosary beads and sweating just from the thread title, great topic @Joe Bryant there's going to be wide range of opinions and "feelings" on the matter.

Winston throws bombs and Winston throws interceptions, you get both with him and he's usually not afraid to chuck the ball all over the field, last week he looked pretty tame but he wasn't expecting to be on the field either. 

I'm reserving judgement, I always think Sean Payton can make an impact on all players, Winston is not exclusive of this. Sean takes a lot of pride in proving folks wrong, another feather in his cap would be to push forward with Winston and I would expect nothing less from him. 

 

[Down Under]

The answer to the poll depends on how long Brees will be out.

On the other hand, I can't see Payton letting Winston getting away with what he did in Tampa.

 

[tombonneau]

Saints as a team? Will hang on.

Saints fantasy players? Will be better.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

They'll be fine.

Kamara will get it done for them, as he has done all season.

 

[Grahamburn]

The second half against the 49ers was Jameis Winston in a microcosm.  I think he started with 5 or 6 straight completions and looked like he had all the tools.  Then he stared down his reads at the goal line for pass break ups.  Then later on with the game in the balance he threw a maddening pass that should have been intercepted, and could have cost the Saints the game.  It's who he is. 

 

[Grahamburn]

They'll be fine.

Kamara will get it done for them, as he has done all season.

What makes Kamara so great is his run after catch ability.  A big aspect of that ability is Drew Brees' ball placement.  DB puts it right on Kamara's hands so he doesn't have to slow down or alter his gait to adjust to bad throws.  I wouldn't expect Jameis to do this as well as Drew.

 

[need2know]

hopefully they lose out

 

[SoBeDad]

The second half against the 49ers was Jameis Winston in a microcosm.  I think he started with 5 or 6 straight completions and looked like he had all the tools.  Then he stared down his reads at the goal line for pass break ups.  Then later on with the game in the balance he threw a maddening pass that should have been intercepted, and could have cost the Saints the game.  It's who he is. 

It seems like MT is never open by much, but Brees was able to accurately place the ball for a very high completion rate anyway. I think the high end comp should be Bridgewater last year, who had one really good game with 4 TDs and 3 other games with a total of 5 TDs. To your point about turnovers, Teddy only had 2 INTs in 4 starts. With Jameis, another issue is the fumbles - he needs to get rid of the ball more quickly or tuck the ball and run. He ran for 250 yards last year. His next contract is on the line.

 

[Grahamburn]

Teddy Bridgewater and Jameis Winston couldn't be more different really.  Teddy is careful.  Jameis is, well, not.  Unless you mean from a fantasy numbers perspective?  It's likely Jameis could and will put up solid fantasy numbers.  He always has.  It's the turnovers and awful sacks he takes that will hurt the "Saints with Jameis Winston."

 

[DocHolliday]

Teddy Bridgewater and Jameis Winston couldn't be more different really.  Teddy is careful.  Jameis is, well, not.  Unless you mean from a fantasy numbers perspective?  It's likely Jameis could and will put up solid fantasy numbers.  He always has.  It's the turnovers and awful sacks he takes that will hurt the "Saints with Jameis Winston."

Winston and the Saint skill players should continue to put up solid numbers for FF.   The Saints may struggle though due to turnovers by Winston.  

 

[Capella]

Different for sure. Brees plays that short to middle game. Jameis always wants to go for it all. Couldn’t be two different quarterbacks, it’s such an odd fit for him to be there. 

 

[habsfan]

Different for sure. Brees plays that short to middle game. Jameis always wants to go for it all. Couldn’t be two different quarterbacks, it’s such an odd fit for him to be there. 

Winston may just be another example of how hope springs eternal where arm talent is concerned. The league has no trouble dumping guys without it and can't quit guys who do.

 

[barackdhouse]

Brees passes to Kamara are as good and crisp as any QB to RB I've ever seen. The timing on those throws has impressed me since the days of Reggie Bush. I think Winston will move chains and put up mad FF points, along with the turnovers. But I would temper expectations for Kamara on receptions. 

 

[tricky92]

Brees passes to Kamara are as good and crisp as any QB to RB I've ever seen. The timing on those throws has impressed me since the days of Reggie Bush. I think Winston will move chains and put up mad FF points, along with the turnovers. But I would temper expectations for Kamara on receptions. 

On the other hand, defenses can't play compact like they've been doing, and that should open up the actual running game for Kamara.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Brees passes to Kamara are as good and crisp as any QB to RB I've ever seen. The timing on those throws has impressed me since the days of Reggie Bush. I think Winston will move chains and put up mad FF points, along with the turnovers. But I would temper expectations for Kamara on receptions. 

Good take

-I myself think that Winston's big arm and ability to hit. receivers deep is going to make Kamara swinging out the back field a tasty proposition, remember Payton will be in his ear and he will be reminding him repeatedly how to use the perfect weapon out there.  There's going to be some major chunks though by the WRs, not sure Thomas is going to be guy all the time, Smith starts to look interesting to me and is always on the wire, he is a deep threat. 

 

[ffmail4me]

I just hope the Saints remember they have Thomas playing WR now 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Different for sure. Brees plays that short to middle game. Jameis always wants to go for it all. Couldn’t be two different quarterbacks, it’s such an odd fit for him to be there. 

The difference in styles was always my thought too. If I were a GM, I think I'd try hard to have a backup with a similar style. 

I do wonder though, how much of that "go for it all downfield" from Winston was Arians. 

I put fewer coaches ahead of Sean Payton when it comes to offense. I'm going to assume he knows what he's doing. But I can't wait to see it. 

 

[wlwiles]

What makes Kamara so great is his run after catch ability.  A big aspect of that ability is Drew Brees' ball placement.  DB puts it right on Kamara's hands so he doesn't have to slow down or alter his gait to adjust to bad throws.  I wouldn't expect Jameis to do this as well as Drew.

absolutely this.  The Brees to Kamara connection is so fluid, a thing of beauty.  Remember, Kamara's not the biggest guy.  Keeping him at speed during the catch is an enormous advantage, and one that I'm very worried about.  Brees is quick enough mentally to scan downfield, check a couple reads, and get it to Kamara quickly.  If Jameis stares down to long then decides to dump it to Kamara after he's already slowed down, he's going to get him unnecessarily hurt imo. 

 

[oswizzle]

Winston can make those short easy passes to Kamara all day.... its when he think he's Brett Favre and closes his eyes...chucks that rock to the upper bleachers... thats when it its INT Machine time baby

 

[Capella]

The difference in styles was always my thought too. If I were a GM, I think I'd try hard to have a backup with a similar style. 

I do wonder though, how much of that "go for it all downfield" from Winston was Arians. 

I put fewer coaches ahead of Sean Payton when it comes to offense. I'm going to assume he knows what he's doing. But I can't wait to see it. 

I’ll definitely be watching, as a Bucs/FSU and also somebody who needs the Saints to lose for the Bucs playoff hopes. 
 

That said, Jameis went for the deeper throws a lot last year but wasn’t shy in the previous years. Yea he would dump it down when necessary but he also forced a lot of throws he shouldn’t have, when hitting the back in the flats would have kept the chains moving. But, that’s why he’s a backup now I guess. 

 

[tombonneau]

Winston may just be another example of how hope springs eternal where arm talent is concerned. The league has no trouble dumping guys without it and can't quit guys who do.

21st Century Jeff George

 

[The Frankman]

All reports have been that Jameis has looked ok in practice and Payton's influence would streamline his decision making process. He's still throws a good deep ball and considering how bad many bad QB are out there he certainly has the talent to improve. I believe a full offseason with a staff like the Saints investing in him will do wonders. If you can get him to cut out the heroball throws (sound familiar?), he's a much improved QB.

Of course, we don't know if we will even have a normal offseason next year.