sho nuff
Footballguy
She teased it like it was big and it was basically nothing.
it was really bad
but not nearly as bad as this crap from Fox and for certain not close to as bad if the WH was involved
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The Seth Rich Conspiracy Theory Thread (1 Viewer)
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it was really bad
but not nearly as bad as this crap from Fox and for certain not close to as bad if the WH was involved
HellToupee
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rockaction
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MaxThreshold
Footballguy
It didn't confirm that at all. It confirmed that he paid 38 million in taxes that year. Are we talking about the same thing?
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't understand why you're still going on about this. Can you come up with anything that Maddow has done which is as awful as this Seth Rich stuff?
timschochet
Footballguy
I mean Max, nearly all of your posts these days come down to a single sentence: "yeah but liberals are even worse!"
Well sometimes that's true, often it's not, but who really cares? And don't you get tired of posting it anyhow?
Well sometimes that's true, often it's not, but who really cares? And don't you get tired of posting it anyhow?
Run It Up
Footballguy
You're right, mis-remembered. Without more info can't confirm that his actual income tax owed of ~5 million wasn't so low because of his offset from the 900 million loss in 1995, but from all accounts I had heard was the leading theory - and the alleged rumor I referenced.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Never, ever joke about a young political staffer's death.
Oh, wait.
Hip hop already did.
How could one Chandra be so Levy...
Oh, wait.
Hip hop already did.
How could one Chandra be so Levy...
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, it's pretty obvious the sanctimonious of this is politically motivated and a bit superficial.
I haven't made fun of his death but that all of a sudden political deaths are above humor or speculation is beyond ridiculous. It's an incoherent, indefensible position, thankfully taken up by the usual lefties on this board.
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Well, it's no production of Julius Caesar in the park ...
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Touche, but I was simply pointing something out rather than censoring or condemning.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
It's why they pay me the big bucks to sit at the table during the black tie dinners.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Hype <<< / >>> Blatantly concocted lies.
Mavis
Footballguy
That is grossly incorrect and is fake news as you say this on the tails of the WH working to lie and make up a story with Fox News.
Like it was said above, nothing is comparable.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
I've been watching Audi Cup highlights all night. I have no idea what happened to bump this thread but I like where your head is at.
Banger
Footballguy
let's not jump to conclusions...the WH clearly denied yesterday that Trump or the WH was involved at all in story...why wouldn't we believe them?....even though the narrative of the Rich conspiracy perfectly aligns with what the WH has lied about for the last year (no collusion, Russians didn't hack election)..oh and they happened to meet with the WH Press Secretary before the story was released....oh and it was released a couple days after the Comey firing/fire storm....it's all clearly just a coincidence...
seriously though, what's the over under on the number of days it'll be before Huckabby has to go out there and say.."yes, the president saw the story before it was released on Fox News and the WH did have some back and forth with Fox News but he didn't think anything of it and thought it was a crazy story with no merit. Complete Nothing burger...This is completely consistent of what we've said all along and we'll have nothing further to say on the topic"...
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Godsbrother
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culdeus
Footballguy
Not entirely sure why he isnt banned or on every ignore list. His entire online persona goes against the reboot and the forum would be better off without people responding to his trolls.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Okay, so here is supposed audio of a phone call between Butowsky and Seymour Hersh.
> In the stories Butowsky talks of a phone call with Seymour Hersh, pulitizer prize winning journo
> In this alleged phone call Butowsky says Seymour Hersh had claimed Seth was leaking emails to WikiLeaks
> Seymour Hersh is asked to comment on Butowsky allegation
> Hersh DENIES IT ALL, says phone call was just "gossip", and Butowsky "took two and two and made forty-five"
> Audio leaks start happening...
> Leak #1 of Rod Wheeler debunking his own lawsuit comes out, WikiLeaks tweets (not a big deal)
> Leak #2 of SEYMOUR HERSH's phone call comes out, WikiLeak tweets it (HUGE ####### DEAL)
> Phone call audio has Hersh clearly saying SETH RICH WAS GIVING DNC EMAILS TO WIKILEAKS via dropbox
> You are here
WikiLeaks tweet of leaked Hersh phone call
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/892510925244203008
Audio linked from above wikileaks tweet, Hersh admitting Seth Rich was trying to sell DNC emails to wikileaks via dropbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giuZdBAXVh0
WaPo article of Hersh denying he connected Seth Rich and WikiLeaks
http://archive.is/KsqZ2
More audio of Wheeler discussing the Seth Rich investigation:
https://youtu.be/2p8at6PD4L8
> In the stories Butowsky talks of a phone call with Seymour Hersh, pulitizer prize winning journo
> In this alleged phone call Butowsky says Seymour Hersh had claimed Seth was leaking emails to WikiLeaks
> Seymour Hersh is asked to comment on Butowsky allegation
> Hersh DENIES IT ALL, says phone call was just "gossip", and Butowsky "took two and two and made forty-five"
> Audio leaks start happening...
> Leak #1 of Rod Wheeler debunking his own lawsuit comes out, WikiLeaks tweets (not a big deal)
> Leak #2 of SEYMOUR HERSH's phone call comes out, WikiLeak tweets it (HUGE ####### DEAL)
> Phone call audio has Hersh clearly saying SETH RICH WAS GIVING DNC EMAILS TO WIKILEAKS via dropbox
> You are here
WikiLeaks tweet of leaked Hersh phone call
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/892510925244203008
Audio linked from above wikileaks tweet, Hersh admitting Seth Rich was trying to sell DNC emails to wikileaks via dropbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giuZdBAXVh0
WaPo article of Hersh denying he connected Seth Rich and WikiLeaks
http://archive.is/KsqZ2
More audio of Wheeler discussing the Seth Rich investigation:
https://youtu.be/2p8at6PD4L8
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
ren hoek
Footballguy
Honey I know talking about Seth Rich hurts your feelings a lot but if the leaked audio is real (the Wheeler audio is absolutely him) it is relevant to the thread topic. Quit being so sensitive.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
You're misunderstanding. They never reveal their sources, even after the death of the source. Ever. It's a WikiLeaks policy.
They will, however, obviously tweet audio which identifies that source. Clearly that wouldn't violate said policy.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm not sure of Ren's point. Talking to a guy who claims to have a source is not the same as having a source. If Rachel Maddow reported that sources at the White House report that Trump had confessed to colluding with Putin, we'd crucify her if the source for that reporting were Robert Costa telling her what he's heard.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Also... Seymour Hersh is a noted liar. I mean, his writing is generally fantastic, and while I don't always agree with his conclusions, it's well sourced. But he's on record as basically saying if he doesn't put his byline on it, it may contain giant fabrications. Including if it's captured on streaming video.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Let me put it this way - if Seymour Hersh prints an article in the New Yorker or the Atlantic that says the things he allegedly said on that audio tape, I'm taking a second look at it all.
Of course, one of the things he allegedly said on that audio tape is that he doesn't believe at all that Seth Rich was murdered because of involvement with Wikileaks, and the official story of his death is correct.
Of course, one of the things he allegedly said on that audio tape is that he doesn't believe at all that Seth Rich was murdered because of involvement with Wikileaks, and the official story of his death is correct.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Not sure where you got hurt feelings and sensitive about me gently pointing out your grip on reality is tenuous, but as long as you're sweet-talking me we can let that go.
The thread topic has shifted to the lawsuit alleging that the White House, and possibly Donald Trump himself, coordinated with Fox News to push an absurd fiction for political purposes . The nonsense you're still pushing has been shown to be just that repeatedly, for a variety of reasons- including most notably the following as written in by Rich's parents and published in the Washington Post:
That can be found here, in the family's public plea for people to stop politicizing their son's death and pushing baseless conspiracy theories so that they can properly mourn their loss. They go on to say this:
Maybe you should consider respecting their wishes.
timschochet
Footballguy
ren hoek
Footballguy
I don't understand why you guys are being so defensive here. Not trying to make a huge point, in fact I'm trying to be as casual as possible about it. I expect morality police officers like Tobias to browbeat me and question my sanity for even talking about it- which is completely pathetic, ignorant, wrong, and par for the course for him- but this audio is certainly fascinating if you're at all interested in what transpired with Rich. The stuff about Dropbox, Seth profitting personally, Aaron Rich, Rogers beating the Russian drum, it's all new and being constructed by a completely different source. And it could be all false. Who knows?
I don't know about you all but I want answers here. I posted the links I did there because I think it's interesting. No need to get up in arms about it.
Coach Morris Buttermaker
Footballguy
So if crazy Mensch has an FBI source let's run with it. If Hersh has a source, let's immediately debunk it.
I have no idea what happened here but am amazed how defensive some get on anything that suggest it may not have been a robbery. I have no idea what happened but I wish the lead investigator would release more info. It was obvious from Wheeler's notes from his interview that something is being hidden.
I have no idea what happened here but am amazed how defensive some get on anything that suggest it may not have been a robbery. I have no idea what happened but I wish the lead investigator would release more info. It was obvious from Wheeler's notes from his interview that something is being hidden.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
We'll treat it like you would Mensch then.
There's no 'Marshall of the Supreme Court' who goes around serving White House eviction papers. Done.
Care to do Hersh or Craig Murray now?
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timschochet
Footballguy
Mensch is a lot better looking than Hersh. So there's that.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
I don't really even know who Mensch is but Hersh isn't what I would call reliable these days.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
If by "these days" you include 35 years ago when he claimed the Prime Minister of India was a paid member of the CIA during the Kissinger years, I agree.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'm sorry, tell me again which of us is the sensitive one whose feelings are hurt? It's a good thing I'm not the reporting type, or I suspect you'd be taking a little break from the boards.
There are a number of reasons I hate this stuff. One of course is that his family is hurting and has explicitly asked people to stop doing exactly what you're doing here (positing a conspiracy and raising the possibility of things that have been disproven). But another, much broader reason is that this conspiracy theorist mentality where people throw out crap all day and see what sticks and defend it with the "I'm only asking questions" shtick is bad and harmful. It distorts reality and paves the way for "fake news"- the actual fake news that people put on Facebook in the run-up to the election, not the rambling accusations of Trump. It leads to misguided distrust of "mainstream media" who appear to be covering something up if you don't know any better. It foments misguided outrage that can lead to harmful actions, as we saw with the guy who shot up Comet Pizza and to a lesser extent all the people who harassed and threatened the owner of that place and other local businesses. It does lots of bad things. Of course you have every right to post it, but if you choose to do so everyone else has every right point out to you how stupid and bad it is.
ren hoek
Footballguy
I posted audio of Rod Wheeler himself and Sy Hersh discussing the case, previously unheard. Whether or not you agree with it I think it's fair to say it's relevant and interesting to the thread topic. You responded with a youtube link suggesting I need to stop and get help. After that you said I have a tenuous grip on reality. It's like the only acceptable line of thought is yours, it's childish and honestly beneath you.
I want to like you Tobias, I really do, you just make it stupid hard sometimes.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Respectfully, I'm not the one coming off as defensive here. Here's what we know Fox did. They posted a story claiming that an FBI source said that they had Seth Rich's hard drive and had been in contact with Wikileaks. Both the FBI and the DC Police have denied that. And they posted that story without ever talking to their "supposed" source. Under the most charitable view of things, they posted the story based on the representations of another journalist that HE had a source. A reasonable person might wonder why, if a journalist had a reliable source claiming something like this, he himself would not publish it. I'm just pointing, without listening to the tape, that the tape really doesn't tell us anything. Sy Hersh's status as a Pulitzer winning journalist only carries weight for what he chooses to publish and attach his name to.
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