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The Seth Rich Conspiracy Theory Thread (1 Viewer)

ren hoek said:
I posted audio of Rod Wheeler himself and Sy Hersh discussing the case, previously unheard.  Whether or not you agree with it I think it's fair to say it's relevant and interesting to the thread topic.  You responded with a youtube link suggesting I need to stop and get help.  After that you said I have a tenuous grip on reality.  It's like the only acceptable line of thought is yours, it's childish and honestly beneath you.  

I want to like you Tobias, I really do, you just make it stupid hard sometimes.  
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You posted them in a context suggesting there's something surrounding his death beyond what investigators have found (ie that they're hiding something) and that he may well have been the source of the DNC leaks. You even said in your next post "I don't know about you all but I want answers here." I have all the answers I need. Rich was likely killed as part of a robbery gone wrong, he was not the source of the leaks, and his family has asked people to stop pushing the possibility of some political motivation behind his death.  What other answers do you want?

I don't think the only acceptable line of thought is mine. I think the only prudent and rational line of thought is the one that is supported by the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence and the one that respects the wishes of a family mourning a loss.

 
ren hoek said:
I posted audio of Rod Wheeler himself...
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You didn't even listen to the Craig Murray interview you posted.

Aside from the fact the Wheeler audio has no names associated with it (who posted it? No idea. Who's talking? No idea), what portion would you like to point to to make a point, especially considering everything Wheeler has said and done on this has been washed clean by his own sworn pleading in a court of law, which he did assign his name to?

Just for starters he says he had a contract and the family said from the get go it wasn't with them, that it was with a third party, and he violated it anyway? So easily 3 minutes in he's already trailing lies - which is in fact the point of the lawsuit.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
You didn't even listen to the Craig Murray interview you posted.

Aside from the fact the Wheeler audio has no names associated with it (who posted it? No idea. Who's talking? No idea), what portion would you like to point to to make a point, especially considering everything Wheeler has said and done on this has been washed clean by his own sworn pleading in a court of law, which he did assign his name to?

Just for starters he says he had a contract and the family said from the get go it wasn't with them, that it was with a third party, and he violated it anyway? So easily 3 minutes in he's already trailing lies - which is in fact the point of the lawsuit.
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:goodposting:

I understand the appeal of Wikileaks when they were exposing government documents. There's a public interest served there. However once they start to publish and circulate communications between private parties I think they've crossed a line. That sort of thing should be filtered through people who apply journalistic standards to the material before it is widely disseminated, and publish it with context instead of in raw form. Otherwise it gets manipulated by people who have specific agendas or by conspiracy theorists who see nefarious doings in everything.

There was a good article about this in the Post around the time the Rich conspiracy theory first fell apart, discussing the approach of throwing a bunch of poop at the wall and seeing what sticks rather than filtering it, and the harm that can do because people will inevitably find what they want to find, and how this led to Pizzagate among other things.  Can't find it right now for some reason.

 
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Quez said:
His name is one of the top trends on Twitter after the families private investigator confirmation that he was in communication with WikiLeaks.  Combine this with Julian Assange saying Seth was the leaker, and it's starting to look bad.  There was also a WikiLeaks of Podesta saying "I'm definitely for making an example of a suspected leaker whether or not we have any basis for it".

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story
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lul

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
You didn't even listen to the Craig Murray interview you posted.
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Lol I had to work dude.  I have a job.  Gf just came back from CA after 8 days.  While I commit an obscene amount of time to it I don't always have the resources to draw up stringboards and go through the usual political jerking.  Believe it or not!  Btw I listened to it last night and your depiction is total distortion.   

Aside from the fact the Wheeler audio has no names associated with it (who posted it? No idea. Who's talking? No idea), what portion would you like to point to to make a point, especially considering everything Wheeler has said and done on this has been washed clean by his own sworn pleading in a court of law, which he did assign his name to?

Just for starters he says he had a contract and the family said from the get go it wasn't with them, that it was with a third party, and he violated it anyway? So easily 3 minutes in he's already trailing lies - which is in fact the point of the lawsuit.
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Doesn't change the fact that it's Wheeler in his own words.  I wouldn't pretend Rod Wheeler is some rock-solid source anyway.  

 
ren hoek said:
Lol I had to work dude.  I have a job.  Gf just came back from CA after 8 days.  While I commit an obscene amount of time to it I don't always have the resources to draw up stringboards and go through the usual political jerking.  Believe it or not!  Btw I listened to it last night and your depiction is total distortion.    
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I'm confused. What does this mean?

 
@ren hoek, I'd be interested in your thoughts about Wikileaks apparent change in direction and interest in this case.  It was my understanding that until recently they served to expose the secrets of governments, not private citizens.  You justified their publication of private emails of John Podesta, the DCCC and the DNC as exposing people who are powerful and working with people who were in or wanted to be in government, which strikes me as a stretch but so be it.

Here, however, they seem to be straying even further from what I understood to be their mission.  They're posting audio of conversations between and among people with little to no ties to government.  They also seem to be pushing people to a conclusion regarding the source of their published information, which seems to be completely at odds with their mission.  Are you OK with this?  Do you still support the organization?  And why haven't you answered @SaintsInDome2006's question that he posted several hours ago?

SaintsInDome2006 said:
Sorry, why is WikiLeaks invested in the Rich claim again?
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Henry Ford said:
I'm trying really hard to figure out what the metaphor is.  Climbing?  Hiding the real structure?
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I imagine a board with all the "conspirators" names or pictures on it, with strings showing which ones were connected to (communicating with) others on the board.

ETA: You could draw lines on a  whiteboard, or use thumbtacks & strings on a cork board.

 
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VandyMan said:
I imagine a board with all the "conspirators" names or pictures on it, with strings showing which ones were connected to (communicating with) others on the board.

ETA: You could draw lines on a  whiteboard, or use thumbtacks & strings on a cork board.
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:wall:

Thanks.  So not an actual stringboard. I'm an idiot. 

 
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Have we heard from Quez since the latest developments?  The wonderful people over at r/The_Donald still believe Hillary killed Seth Rich.

 
Henry Ford said:
Another good title change.  Thanks mods. 
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While I don't like forced title changes, this one is very accurate. The one where they changed my university housing title from a Wesleyan-themed house that was in the news partly for its official name was totally inaccurate, and I still disagree with both the change and the discretionary power exercised.

My two cents.

 
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ren hoek said:
Lol I had to work dude.  I have a job.  
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I didn't post it - you did, to make a point. You made a claim and offered support without having any idea what was in it.

Your time like all of ours is totally up to you. I would just say if you offer some link to make a point you should at least check it first.

ren hoek said:
Btw I listened to it last night and your depiction is total distortion.   
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I am wrong a lot, all the time. I enjoy discussing complicated stuff with people from around the country and I've been corrected many a time. But I do not distort. Tell me I'm wrong and why and maybe I will agree with you. I offered you a mark in the audio to make my point. You could do the same if you're pointing to something in particular.

ren hoek said:
Doesn't change the fact that it's Wheeler in his own words.  I wouldn't pretend Rod Wheeler is some rock-solid source anyway.  
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Ok you have an audio where you don't know it's him, and if it is him it just justifies his lawsuit saying the conspiracy is an invention, not what the conspiracy claim is, and getting past all that you admit that Wheeler, who is the basis for your whole claim, isn't even reliable. And if you listen to Murray you would know that the only reason he thinks it was a leak and not a hack is that Assange keeps talking about Seth Rich (which he is, even in the last couple days).

And let's face it the whole reason this was invented, which it was, was to come up with some alternative explanation for what forensic computer and counter-intelligence analysts have already concluded, which is that a GRU cyber unit was responsible for the hack and that it was indeed a hack.

 
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lets just keep doing the dukes theme song thing in here it is waaaaaaaay better than the fox trump based conspiracy crap and anyhow waylon was the man and if i was his momma id still be ticked that they kept showin his hands but not his face on tv take that to the bank bromigos

 
[scooter] said:
I don't think Fox News ever officially retracted the story. They deleted the page from their website but never stated that the story had been retracted.
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It’s what makes me laugh when Fox viewers whine be about CNN.  CNN fires three people and retracted a story that was true.

Fox pulls this crap and deletes it and disciplined nobody.

 
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