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Ministry of Pain

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The facts tonight are this...

Michigan: Trump 53.7%...Biden 44.6%

Pennsylvania: Trump 56.7%...Biden 42.2%

Wisconsin: Trump 51.1%...Biden 47.3%

North Carolina: Trump 50.1%...Biden 48.7%

Georgia: Trump 52.6%...Biden 46.5%

Nevada looking like Trump's early on

That's a lot of mail that has to be sorted and counted...

 
The facts tonight are this...

Michigan: Trump 53.7%...Biden 44.6%

Pennsylvania: Trump 56.7%...Biden 42.2%

Wisconsin: Trump 51.1%...Biden 47.3%

North Carolina: Trump 50.1%...Biden 48.7%

Georgia: Trump 52.6%...Biden 46.5%

Nevada looking like Trump's early on

That's a lot of mail that has to be sorted and counted...
If your point is that Trump supporters are more likely to vote in person in the middle of a pandemic, I agree.

 
You’re in for a surprise.
I'm quite shocked we are even looking at this, I expected Trump to be marched out of the White House tonight, Trump was less than a 4% chance, the mail in ballots must be LOADED, so it won't be a surprise but I would be a little surprised if i was a far left leaning citizen that was expecting a TD dance tonight like Obama in 2008, we didn't see any of that. 

Seems to be razor thin and it wasn't covered that way in any news outlet I could find. That's surprising, no?

 
You are looking at current rallies with no context.

NV- only rural counties are in. Nothing from Clark County.

Biden is winning NV. 
 

likewise with some of these other states how the votes are being counted is not indicative of the end result.

 
The MSNBC Map guy, wish I knew his name...

"All these opportunities for Joe Biden to score a win early and blow this map open, we're obviously in a different place right now."

I say this, this guy was one of the first to start letting his side down gently when things went South, let's be honest as the night is drawing to a close and we won't have any certainty...this is far better for Trump than most folks in the media and many FBG posters ever thought he would do tonight. This was supposed to be the Niners in '88 and maybe it will be after they count all the mail up but I'm shocked tonight. I was expecting Biden to have an acceptance speech and also see Kamala Harris, we haven't seen her at all that I can recall tonight. 

 
The MSNBC Map guy, wish I knew his name...

"All these opportunities for Joe Biden to score a win early and blow this map open, we're obviously in a different place right now."

I say this, this guy was one of the first to start letting his side down gently when things went South, let's be honest as the night is drawing to a close and we won't have any certainty...this is far better for Trump than most folks in the media and many FBG posters ever thought he would do tonight. This was supposed to be the Niners in '88 and maybe it will be after they count all the mail up but I'm shocked tonight. I was expecting Biden to have an acceptance speech and also see Kamala Harris, we haven't seen her at all that I can recall tonight. 
I agree with much/most of this. There are many folks like me who expected that after seeing 4 years of racism and incompetency, the American people would rise up and reject Trumpism.  Even though I feel confident that Biden will win after the votes are counted, I am deeply disappointed with my fellow Americans.  

The lesson from this election is that America 2020 is still grappling with its original sin.  

 
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  • Why wait until today to start counting early ballots...to further create chaos and division in a time when unity would help so many things going off the rails. Ridiculous  and sad.  Outspoken when ignorant and full of blunder can dilute a thin legacy. Shine up the cuffs please. 
 
I agree with much/most of this. There are many folks like me who expected that after seeing 4 years of racism and incompetency, the American people would rise up and reject Trumpism.  Even though I feel confident that Biden will win after the votes are counted, I am deeply disappointed with my fellow Americans.  

The lesson from this election is that America 2020 is still grappling with its original sin.  
I just woke up 45 minutes ago so my handle on the state of the race may be off by quite a bit, but this is basically my read too.  It looks like Biden is still likely to pull this out, but I was totally wrong about the strength of his support.  It is unfortunately very clear to me that a non-crazy version of Trump would have won this election fairly easily.  That does not fill me with a lot of confidence in the future of our country.  

 
I agree with much/most of this. There are many folks like me who expected that after seeing 4 years of racism and incompetency, the American people would rise up and reject Trumpism.  Even though I feel confident that Biden will win after the votes are counted, I am deeply disappointed with my fellow Americans.  

The lesson from this election is that America 2020 is still grappling with its original sin.  
Same conclusion. My wife, arguably one of the most empathic people on the planet, cannot understand the mentality of so many.

I just woke up 45 minutes ago so my handle on the state of the race may be off by quite a bit, but this is basically my read too.  It looks like Biden is still likely to pull this out, but I was totally wrong about the strength of his support.  It is unfortunately very clear to me that a non-crazy version of Trump would have won this election fairly easily.  That does not fill me with a lot of confidence in the future of our country.  
Me too. This is anything but repudiation of Trumpism, and I fully expect some flavor of his platform/rhetoric for years to come.

 
It continues to amaze me how much the left does not understand the right and/or middle America (but think they do) or how they almost never look in the mirror and say what part am I in the current state of this country instead of dumping on those who don't fall in line or worse, accusing them of being horrible things they are not or even "cancelling" them ...in fairness when you have a media that is very biased, the unwavering support of the tech giants like Twitter, Facebook and Google and college campuses where being conservative is considered as pretty much a crime it is probably easy to think things may not be exactly as they are (this board is an example of that...it does not reflect reality which Joe often points out)...and before the rebuttals come the GOP is pretty freakin' inept so we don't need to travel down that path...it would be nice to see less bomb-throwing (and this summer that became literal) and more education and understanding of why people think the way they do and not simply be dismissed as flyover country, deplorables or bitter clingers...it is my opinion (and it is a strong one) that while the right has it's share of whack jobs the majority of them simply want to be pretty much left alone and lead their lives but unfortunately they have not been able to do that as politics (i.e. partisan politics) in this country has become 24/7 and we are now heading down a very unhealthy road. 

 
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It continues to amaze me how much the left does not understand the right and/or middle America (but think they do) or how they almost never look in the mirror and say what part am I in the current state of this country instead of dumping on those who don't fall in line or worse, accusing them of being horrible things they are not or even "cancelling" them ...in fairness when you have a media that is very biased, the unwavering support of the tech giants like Twitter, Facebook and Google and college campuses where being conservative is considered as pretty much a crime it is probably easy to think things may not be exactly as they are (this board is an example of that...it does not reflect reality which Joe often points out)...and before the rebuttals come the GOP is pretty freakin' inept so we don't need to travel down that path...it would be nice to see less bomb-throwing (and this summer that became literal) and more education and understanding of why people think the way they do and not simply be dismissed as flyover country, deplorables or bitter clingers...it is my opinion (and it is a strong one) that while the right has it's share of whack jobs the majority of them simply want to be pretty much left alone and lead their lives but unfortunately they have not been able to do that as politics (i.e. partisan politics) in this country has become 24/7 and we are now heading down a very unhealthy road. 
Well said, scary times we're living in.  

 
I agree with much/most of this. There are many folks like me who expected that after seeing 4 years of racism and incompetency, the American people would rise up and reject Trumpism.  Even though I feel confident that Biden will win after the votes are counted, I am deeply disappointed with my fellow Americans.  

The lesson from this election is that America 2020 is still grappling with its original sin.  
I appreciate you saying that. I'm sorry that your side is not getting the satisfaction it's looking for this morning/last night. It's far from over and I had mentally prepared myself for Biden winning and had a game plan on how to move forward, this is quite a different Wed Morning than I anticipated. 

I expected Biden to rout and take a State or two like a North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Pennsylvania, Texas, Michigan and none of that seems to have happened. Maybe the mail in vote will flip a couple of these. 

I couldn't live with mailing my vote in, the polls were open here in Florida for 3 weeks, i voted with my mask on and watched my ballot go right into a machine to be counted. I think Florida is not getting enough credit for overhauling their voting machines and system, I thought things were razor smooth here. 

 
It continues to amaze me how much the left does not understand the right and/or middle America (but think they do) or how they almost never look in the mirror and say what part am I in the current state of this country instead of dumping on those who don't fall in line or worse, accusing them of being horrible things they are not or even "cancelling" them ...in fairness when you have a media that is very biased, the unwavering support of the tech giants like Twitter, Facebook and Google and college campuses where being conservative is considered as pretty much a crime it is probably easy to think things may not be exactly as they are (this board is an example of that...it does not reflect reality which Joe often points out)...and before the rebuttals come the GOP is pretty freakin' inept so we don't need to travel down that path...it would be nice to see less bomb-throwing (and this summer that became literal) and more education and understanding of why people think the way they do and not simply be dismissed as flyover country, deplorables or bitter clingers...it is my opinion (and it is a strong one) that while the right has it's share of whack jobs the majority of them simply want to be pretty much left alone and lead their lives but unfortunately they have not been able to do that as politics (i.e. partisan politics) in this country has become 24/7 and we are now heading down a very unhealthy road. 
You may not have been referring to me specifically, but I definitely admit to not understanding those who support Trump. I've tried not to accuse anyone of being horrible though, except maybe Trump himself.

 
I just woke up 45 minutes ago so my handle on the state of the race may be off by quite a bit, but this is basically my read too.  It looks like Biden is still likely to pull this out, but I was totally wrong about the strength of his support.  It is unfortunately very clear to me that a non-crazy version of Trump would have won this election fairly easily.  That does not fill me with a lot of confidence in the future of our country.  
Marketing, Trump knows it and the D's suck at it.  Defund police, whoever came up with that should never show face again.  I get what it means but it sounds terrible and to the average person that just hears a sound bite it doesn't work.  Many other little keywords that Trump pounds away at, Americans with our short attention spans eat that up...

 
You may not have been referring to me specifically, but I definitely admit to not understanding those who support Trump. I've tried not to accuse anyone of being horrible though, except maybe Trump himself.
One of things that may help you understand is that some voters are not so much voting for Trump as they will not vote for a democrat because of how far left the party is heading...not reinventing the wheel with that commentary but I think some on the left want to fold everything into Trump when that just isn't the case...it is far bigger than that...and I will say if the next GOP nominee has the fight that Trump has in him but without the warts they have a chance to totally change the political landscape in this country because a lot of votes cast in this close election were anti-Trump and not democrat votes...there is also a good chance that the next nominee is a female or minority (they have some interesting prospects) which could really take things to another level...we are at an interesting point because if Biden and Harris become President I don't see either of them being in a position to get one Trump vote from 2020 and in all likelihood will be in a position to take a major step backwards with the electorate because IMO neither are very impressive or have any charisma.  

 
Marketing, Trump knows it and the D's suck at it.  Defund police, whoever came up with that should never show face again.  I get what it means but it sounds terrible and to the average person that just hears a sound bite it doesn't work.  Many other little keywords that Trump pounds away at, Americans with our short attention spans eat that up...


One of things that may help you understand is that some voters are not so much voting for Trump as they will not vote for a democrat because of how far left the party is heading...not reinventing the wheel with that commentary but I think some on the left want to fold everything into Trump when that just isn't the case...it is far bigger than that...and I will say if the next GOP nominee has the fight that Trump has in him but without the warts they have a chance to totally change the political landscape in this country because a lot of votes cast in this close election were anti-Trump and not democrat votes...there is also a good chance that the next nominee is a female or minority (they have some interesting prospects) which could really take things to another level...we are at an interesting point because if Biden and Harris become President I don't see either of them being in a position to get one Trump vote from 2020 and in all likelihood will be in a position to take a major step backwards with the electorate because IMO neither are very impressive or have any charisma.  
The bolded is the issue in a nutshell.  The Democratic party really isn't far left, but Trump, Fox News, and OAN keep pounding away at the message that they are.

 
It continues to amaze me how much the left does not understand the right and/or middle America (but think they do) or how they almost never look in the mirror and say what part am I in the current state of this country instead of dumping on those who don't fall in line or worse, accusing them of being horrible things they are not or even "cancelling" them ...in fairness when you have a media that is very biased, the unwavering support of the tech giants like Twitter, Facebook and Google and college campuses where being conservative is considered as pretty much a crime it is probably easy to think things may not be exactly as they are (this board is an example of that...it does not reflect reality which Joe often points out)...and before the rebuttals come the GOP is pretty freakin' inept so we don't need to travel down that path...it would be nice to see less bomb-throwing (and this summer that became literal) and more education and understanding of why people think the way they do and not simply be dismissed as flyover country, deplorables or bitter clingers...it is my opinion (and it is a strong one) that while the right has it's share of whack jobs the majority of them simply want to be pretty much left alone and lead their lives but unfortunately they have not been able to do that as politics (i.e. partisan politics) in this country has become 24/7 and we are now heading down a very unhealthy road. 
I'm an Independent who grew up in a cornfield, is VERY non-PC, voted R his entire life because he chose to vote his wallet over everything else, doesn't particularly care for much of the D agenda, and can't begin to comprehend how anyone finds Trump an acceptable candidate regardless of the other option. And I'm basing that on his politics and his actions more than the fact that he's barely believable as a human being. 

 
I'm an Independent who grew up in a cornfield, is VERY non-PC, voted R his entire life because he chose to vote his wallet over everything else, doesn't particularly care for much of the D agenda, and can't begin to comprehend how anyone finds Trump an acceptable candidate regardless of the other option. And I'm basing that on his politics and his actions more than the fact that he's barely believable as a human being. 
Where I’m at. I’m a conservative, always have been, particularly fiscally. I don’t get the not voting for Trump but against the Democratic Party. For “normal” candidates I could stomach that but the guy is flat out dangerous. I’d hold my nose and vote for virtually anyone over him. 

 
MORE LIKE MINORITY RULE

...... more Americans vote Dem. & Dem. Senators rep far far more people than the GOP Senators do

too much power for rural population ..... losing by MILLIONS isn't a majority anything 

 
Yeah it is definitely not a silent majority and there are a lot of middle class and working class Democrats in middle American places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. 

 
The Democratic party really isn't far left, but Trump, Fox News, and OAN keep pounding away at the message that they are.
Counterpoint: progressives on social media are doing more damage to the Democratic brand than Fox News could ever do.  People work themselves into a lather over JK Rowling saying something completely uncontroversial, and when that story eventually filters out to normal people they conclude that the other side is slightly insane.

 
Counterpoint: progressives on social media are doing more damage to the Democratic brand than Fox News could ever do.  People work themselves into a lather over JK Rowling saying something completely uncontroversial, and when that story eventually filters out to normal people they conclude that the other side is slightly insane.
I think this is true on both sides unfortunately and actually does have the effect of pushing people on each side more extreme.

And it’s not just social media but media in general. Just tune into Fox News or check out this totally unhinged article on Salon that got enough upvotes to make the front page of Reddit.

 
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Counterpoint: progressives on social media are doing more damage to the Democratic brand than Fox News could ever do.  People work themselves into a lather over JK Rowling saying something completely uncontroversial, and when that story eventually filters out to normal people they conclude that the other side is slightly insane.
I'd argue that's the fault of those "normal people" for not recognizing the difference between politician's policies and random internet clowns.  That's not "the left" misunderstanding conservatives or "the left being socialist".  Same applies in reverse, of course.

 
Understanding the right

I consider my self a political orphan because I am a republican but do not fully support Trump and have some what I guess are progressive views. I have always longed for a viable 3rd party and someone who is anti-politican and right not Trump is the only one who I could vote for there. 

My views:

• I am a business owner in a very blue state (NY). A majority of my vote is based on what is best for my business. I already pay an insane amount of taxes, I cant pay more. Many things in my business could be more reachable if I could keep more of the money I make. And while I respect a certain level of welfare and support programs, I've worked my ### off  building this business while working a full time job and a 3rd job on the site to be able to build this business. But its just not me, when the markets are up, my clients have more money to spend and I am a recipient of that spending. Companies have been leaving my area for the last 10 years, which impacts everyone from my business to my kids who will be looking to start their careers. 

• I could not vote for Biden because I do not believe he will make a full term. So really a Biden vote for president is really a Harris vote.  I have said all along that Biden was just a prop and a punching bag for Trump and it afforded their real candidate to be shielded from DT and his greatest campaign weapon, tearing opponents down. If Harris was such a great candidate, she would have made it though the full primary process, but she didnt and left because she did not have the support. So we were once again robbed of the primary process and the vetting that gets us to the 2 final candidates. 

• I really loath politicians. It amazes me in this day and age, where everything is on the record and recorded, that we as a population allow (and defend) our elected officials to blatantly lie and double talk their way though our government. Everything from the SC nominations, to closing the boarders, to the Covid criticisms are politicized based on who is in power at the time. They serve us soundbites to whip up the uniformed and have no problem if it is different then what they said 4 or years ago and their is video of it. I dont have so much of a problem with Biden as I do with people like Pelosi and Schumer. I find them the lowest of low when it comes to political manipulation. I could not give them any more power. 

• As above, with a 2nd Trump term, I was secretly hoping that he would look to blow up the system and actually attempt certain reforms. You can't expect the same people who make the laws do anything that would go against their ability to greatly benefit off of them. 

• This is personal, but I do not align with many democrats that I know. I find many of thier arguments and reactions whiny and vindictive. I find them impossible to talk to if you have a differing opinion and they will go out of their way to exclude you for not being 100% in lockstep with the party and whatever social justice topic of the day. Cancel culture is a weapon that they wield agaisnt anyone who opposes them and they act on emotion and hurt feelings and not on logic and compromise.  Major cities were not boarding up retail stores in fear of a Trump loss, but in fear of those who opposed Trump with reckless violence and rioting. I've never been to a Trump rally, but from what I see they are filled with American flags whereas the only time I see an American flag associated with Democrats is when they are disrespecting it or denouncing it. I'm sorry, but I cannot get behind that. That said, there are plenty of Republicans that make me hate the party. For every Democrat I look to discuss things with, there are idiot Republicans yelling "Murica" and writing profanity filled posts on FB. 

Overall, I hate that these are the 2 best that we could put up there. Its a shame that in 4 years (and 8 years of Obama) the Democratic party could not put up a younger, more energizing person that better reflects their values. You might have had my vote if that was the case. Instead you have a run off of 2 of the oldest, white, male politicians you could find to take on Trump. I'm sick of career politicians telling me that after 40+ years in government, that NOW they have the answer and will will finally do something good. 

But most importantly I am upset at the general population that we have allowed ourselves to let out public employees constantly play us like toy fiddles. No one wants to think for themselves any more, just live in their political silos and blindly repeat soundbites ands share bull#### memes as their entire base of their political ideology. 

 
One of things that may help you understand is that some voters are not so much voting for Trump as they will not vote for a democrat because of how far left the party is heading...not reinventing the wheel with that commentary but I think some on the left want to fold everything into Trump when that just isn't the case...it is far bigger than that...and I will say if the next GOP nominee has the fight that Trump has in him but without the warts they have a chance to totally change the political landscape in this country because a lot of votes cast in this close election were anti-Trump and not democrat votes...there is also a good chance that the next nominee is a female or minority (they have some interesting prospects) which could really take things to another level...we are at an interesting point because if Biden and Harris become President I don't see either of them being in a position to get one Trump vote from 2020 and in all likelihood will be in a position to take a major step backwards with the electorate because IMO neither are very impressive or have any charisma.  
Yeah, I know. But the authoritarian direction Trump has actually demonstrated is far, far worse than any incremental liberal shift. And I think the fear of impending socialism is nonsense. 

 
Where I’m at. I’m a conservative, always have been, particularly fiscally. I don’t get the not voting for Trump but against the Democratic Party. For “normal” candidates I could stomach that but the guy is flat out dangerous. I’d hold my nose and vote for virtually anyone over him. 
Already did. Twice. But the first one hurt a LOT more.

 
I couldn't live with mailing my vote in, the polls were open here in Florida for 3 weeks, i voted with my mask on and watched my ballot go right into a machine to be counted. I think Florida is not getting enough credit for overhauling their voting machines and system, I thought things were razor smooth here. 
What do you mean when you say the underlined bit? Were you worried that the ballot might accidentally get filled out wrong or that the vote might not get counted if it were mailed?

 
What do you mean when you say the underlined bit? Were you worried that the ballot might accidentally get filled out wrong or that the vote might not get counted if it were mailed?
I just don't trust the postal service, can't remember the last time I sent anything thru the USPS, that's me. My wife feels similar, people should try to vote in person and we don't vote for the same Party but neither of us would feel comfortable just sliding our ballots in an envelope, sticking a stamp on it and letting it go. We thought mail in ballots were usually for those in the Armed Forces. I understand with the pandemic this year some folks felt no choice but that also is unfortunate that folks are using a lot of pseudo science to dictate their behaviors. 

Cheers

 
I just don't trust the postal service, can't remember the last time I sent anything thru the USPS, that's me. My wife feels similar, people should try to vote in person and we don't vote for the same Party but neither of us would feel comfortable just sliding our ballots in an envelope, sticking a stamp on it and letting it go. We thought mail in ballots were usually for those in the Armed Forces. I understand with the pandemic this year some folks felt no choice but that also is unfortunate that folks are using a lot of pseudo science to dictate their behaviors. 

Cheers
Huh? Are you suggesting wanting to avoid lines/crowds of strangers is an unscientific approach to mitigating covid risk? Do you think the Armed Forces are getting substandard handling of their ballots?

 
I just don't trust the postal service, can't remember the last time I sent anything thru the USPS, that's me. My wife feels similar, people should try to vote in person and we don't vote for the same Party but neither of us would feel comfortable just sliding our ballots in an envelope, sticking a stamp on it and letting it go. We thought mail in ballots were usually for those in the Armed Forces. I understand with the pandemic this year some folks felt no choice but that also is unfortunate that folks are using a lot of pseudo science to dictate their behaviors. 

Cheers
We dropped ours in the mail on Wednesday and it showed counted on the elections website Friday. Easiest thing ever. 

 

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