The sky is not falling in KC (1 Viewer)

[jurrassic]

I admit to being sucked into the LJ decline, too many carries, KC is horrible hype. I am now off that bandwagon. Classic case of too much analysis. This is a playoff team from last year. Yes, they lost Shields, and Green. However, I don't think this offensive line is as bad as everyone is claiming. Welbourn will move into the RG spot. Wiegmann remains at center. Waters at LG, and McIntosh should be a big upgrade at left tackle. Yes they have the qb situation to address, but Green was not good last year, when healthy. Huard was 5-3 and re-signed. Croyle is young, but this should only re-enforce the focus on the running game. They added a weapon at wr with Bowe. They have an improved defense with the signings of Edwards and Harris, which should help in keeping the games close. They have a moderately tough schedule with SD twice, Den twice, Jacksonville, Chicago, and Minnesota, but LJ played quite well vs. tough defenses last year.

I am not saying the Chiefs will be 11-5, but I think their demise has been greatly exagerated on this board.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Things are not looking up....thats for sure

 

[joffer]

and McIntosh should be a big upgrade at left tackle.

let's not get carried away. but overall i agree with you.

 

[ceo3west]

I admit to being sucked into the LJ decline, too many carries, KC is horrible hype. I am now off that bandwagon. Classic case of too much analysis. This is a playoff team from last year. Yes, they lost Shields, and Green. However, I don't think this offensive line is as bad as everyone is claiming. Welbourn will move into the RG spot. Wiegmann remains at center. Waters at LG, and McIntosh should be a big upgrade at left tackle. Yes they have the qb situation to address, but Green was not good last year, when healthy. Huard was 5-3 and re-signed. Croyle is young, but this should only re-enforce the focus on the running game. They added a weapon at wr with Bowe. They have an improved defense with the signings of Edwards and Harris, which should help in keeping the games close. They have a moderately tough schedule with SD twice, Den twice, Jacksonville, Chicago, and Minnesota, but LJ played quite well vs. tough defenses last year.I am not saying the Chiefs will be 11-5, but I think their demise has been greatly exagerated on this board.

When Huard is benched for the rookie in week 6, will LJ still be a stud with 8 in the box? We'll see. I can think of a few safer picks at #3 I'd rather have.

 

[Banger]

Outside of LJ/Gonzo I don't really see any impact players on their team. They won't be the worst team in the league but they won't make the playoffs either. 7-9 sounds about right....

 

[jurrassic]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

 

[joffer]

I admit to being sucked into the LJ decline, too many carries, KC is horrible hype. I am now off that bandwagon. Classic case of too much analysis. This is a playoff team from last year. Yes, they lost Shields, and Green. However, I don't think this offensive line is as bad as everyone is claiming. Welbourn will move into the RG spot. Wiegmann remains at center. Waters at LG, and McIntosh should be a big upgrade at left tackle. Yes they have the qb situation to address, but Green was not good last year, when healthy. Huard was 5-3 and re-signed. Croyle is young, but this should only re-enforce the focus on the running game. They added a weapon at wr with Bowe. They have an improved defense with the signings of Edwards and Harris, which should help in keeping the games close. They have a moderately tough schedule with SD twice, Den twice, Jacksonville, Chicago, and Minnesota, but LJ played quite well vs. tough defenses last year.I am not saying the Chiefs will be 11-5, but I think their demise has been greatly exagerated on this board.

When Huard is benched for the rookie in week 6, will LJ still be a stud with 8 in the box? We'll see. I can think of a few safer picks at #3 I'd rather have.

i'm not sure if you were counting last year, but Huard scared NO ONE.

 

[OCC]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT.At RT, they started 4 different people, including Turley. It was a nightmare.Both RT/LT were awful for the Chiefs. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

 

[JohnnyU]

Edited to say what I posted is a :honda and on the first page

Sorry if this is a :honda:, but I find it interesting...

Larry Johnson-RB- Chiefs Jul. 12 - 3:24 pm et

TMJ4 in Milwaukee reports that the Packers "are keeping a close eye" on the Larry Johnson situation in Kansas City.

The report acknowledges that Green Bay trading for L.J. is a long shot. The Chiefs don't have to trade him if they don't want to, and have not prepared the depth to make such a move. At this point, it seems likely that Johnson will play out the final year of his deal and possibly be franchised in 2008.

Source: TMJ4 Milwaukee

 

[phthalatemagic]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Replacing bad tackles with more bad tackles isn't an upgrade. Don't fall into the "anyone but XXX" trap, becuase it just aint true.

 

[jurrassic]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Replacing bad tackles with more bad tackles isn't an upgrade. Don't fall into the "anyone but XXX" trap, becuase it just aint true.

I am not saying McIntosh is a pro-bower but the guy has over 80 starts at left tackle. As someone stated above, Black was horrible.

 

[trader jake]

When the Raiders are your true competition in the division...the sky is falling.

That and Herm Edwards is still the head coach, correct?

 

[duaneok66]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Replacing bad tackles with more bad tackles isn't an upgrade. Don't fall into the "anyone but XXX" trap, becuase it just aint true.

thank you . . . excellent post . . . that type of faulty logic is used too frequently in fantasy football . . .

 

[BoltBacker]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT.At RT, they started 4 different people, including Turley. It was a nightmare.Both RT/LT were awful for the Chiefs. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Have any Chief fans ever seen McIntosh play???? He's not good. Just rolling out a new stiff at LT does not mean you've improved your offensive line. This sounds eerily reminiscent of last season when Chief fans steadfastly refused to admit their tackles were putrid heading into the season. They also didn't think the fact Green/Kennison/Gonzales were all old and declining wouldn't have any effect on their season.... just as this season they seem to be glossing over the fact both Kennison/Gonzales are yet another year older and aren't likely to hold their level of play let alone improve upon it. I know, I know.... the Chiefs drafted Bowe to be a playmaker so all is well in KC! We all know rookie WR's have such a great track record of stepping right in and producing. Rookie WR's drafted by Carl Peterson have had even more success. The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

 

[Phurfur]

I admit to being sucked into the LJ decline, too many carries, KC is horrible hype. I am now off that bandwagon. Classic case of too much analysis. This is a playoff team from last year. Yes, they lost Shields, and Green. However, I don't think this offensive line is as bad as everyone is claiming. Welbourn will move into the RG spot. Wiegmann remains at center. Waters at LG, and McIntosh should be a big upgrade at left tackle. Yes they have the qb situation to address, but Green was not good last year, when healthy. Huard was 5-3 and re-signed. Croyle is young, but this should only re-enforce the focus on the running game. They added a weapon at wr with Bowe. They have an improved defense with the signings of Edwards and Harris, which should help in keeping the games close. They have a moderately tough schedule with SD twice, Den twice, Jacksonville, Chicago, and Minnesota, but LJ played quite well vs. tough defenses last year.I am not saying the Chiefs will be 11-5, but I think their demise has been greatly exagerated on this board.

Herm Edwards is over rated as a head coach. I see this team getting worse not better.

 

[AnonymousBob]

The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

And that's exactly why he should still be a great pick in all fantasy drafts.

 

[Sweetness_34]

The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

And that's exactly why he should still be a great pick in all fantasy drafts.

Assuming he does not break a leg going for 400 carries after his last 2 years.....

 

[jurrassic]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT.At RT, they started 4 different people, including Turley. It was a nightmare.Both RT/LT were awful for the Chiefs. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Have any Chief fans ever seen McIntosh play???? He's not good. Just rolling out a new stiff at LT does not mean you've improved your offensive line. This sounds eerily reminiscent of last season when Chief fans steadfastly refused to admit their tackles were putrid heading into the season. They also didn't think the fact Green/Kennison/Gonzales were all old and declining wouldn't have any effect on their season.... just as this season they seem to be glossing over the fact both Kennison/Gonzales are yet another year older and aren't likely to hold their level of play let alone improve upon it. I know, I know.... the Chiefs drafted Bowe to be a playmaker so all is well in KC! We all know rookie WR's have such a great track record of stepping right in and producing. Rookie WR's drafted by Carl Peterson have had even more success. The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

That is fine with me. In all honesty, the Chiefs only have 2 legitmate players who will be taken in the first 8 rounds of a draft, LJ and Gonzalez. My point for this post was to shed some reality on what was starting to become a "the Chiefs will be the worst team in the league, and LJ will suck" philosophy. For the record, I am not a Chiefs fan, but this team is not as bad as everyone is making them out to be. "This sounds eerily reminiscent of last season when Chief fans steadfastly refused to admit their tackles were putrid heading into the season."Don't forget this was a playoff team last year. My point is that I think there will be enough defense this year, to keep the Chiefs in games. That means opportunties for LJ and hopefully less pressure on the starting qb. Let's not forget how terrible the Chargers were in the past and LT was still productive. Great players make great plays. Edward is a run first coach and this team has enough talent to be competitive.

 

[AnonymousBob]

The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

And that's exactly why he should still be a great pick in all fantasy drafts.

Assuming he does not break a leg going for 400 carries after his last 2 years.....

Tomlinson the last two years: 687 carries, 107 receptions. That's 794 touches.LJ the last two years: 752 carries, 74 receptions. That's 826 touches. You mean to tell me those extra 16 touches each season are the difference between a healthy year and some major injury? That isn't even counting carries/receptions in the playoffs. If we start counting those I can only assume you'll be avoiding Tomlinson as well as LJ.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Replacing bad tackles with more bad tackles isn't an upgrade. Don't fall into the "anyone but XXX" trap, becuase it just aint true.

I am not saying McIntosh is a pro-bower but the guy has over 80 starts at left tackle. As someone stated above, Black was horrible.

I don't know what else to tell you. McIntosh has gotten starting roles becuase he's been on teams with major holes on them at his position. He will probably continue to get chances around the league with teams that have no other choices at tackle. IMO KC may as well have kept Black because all they are doing are shuffling names around. There's really nothing left to speculate on or argue about becuase the proof will be in the pudding when the season starts. Luckily for KC, Larry Johnson is his own OL at times.

 

[kensat30]

LJ is a beast, the guy plays through injuries. Think back to just this past season when LJ got one of the most vicious face masks of the decade. His head was literally turned all the way around so that for an instant he was looking behind him... And then he proceeded to play the very next week and got 30 carries. That right there is heart. And believe it or not, many other players in that situation would have taken a week off.

And I dunno because I'm not LJ, but it seems to me like defenders are taking more of a pounding them him on any given play. Check his highlight reel, you be the judge there. And that's not even mentioning that the guy is so fast that many times defenders can't do anything but hope to wrap him up, let alone give him a big hit.

Watch this video and tell me that was solid play from his o-line that got him the TD. The guy is a huge RB, but he hits the tiniest hole with authority. See him much trash was in that area, but he barely got touched, let alone hit.

 

[Warpig]

I have the Chiefs going 7-9 this year. But I think that's being optimistic.

As far as LJ. This will probably be his last upper echelon year. Herm was on ESPN last night talking about how they are in contract negotiations and that LJ wants to remain a chief and the chiefs want him to a long term deal...yadda, yadda coach speak stuff.

The important thing Herm said that caught my ear is this; he said that "LJ will get his 400 touches and he will be an important part of the offense." Another season with 400+ touches? This guys tread is wearing fast!

 

[OCC]

When the $$ is on the line, I'll take LJ all day.

And if this was the 50s, he'd be playing D also.

Not so Fast

 

[jurrassic]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Replacing bad tackles with more bad tackles isn't an upgrade. Don't fall into the "anyone but XXX" trap, becuase it just aint true.

I am not saying McIntosh is a pro-bower but the guy has over 80 starts at left tackle. As someone stated above, Black was horrible.

I don't know what else to tell you. McIntosh has gotten starting roles becuase he's been on teams with major holes on them at his position. He will probably continue to get chances around the league with teams that have no other choices at tackle. IMO KC may as well have kept Black because all they are doing are shuffling names around. There's really nothing left to speculate on or argue about becuase the proof will be in the pudding when the season starts. Luckily for KC, Larry Johnson is his own OL at times.

There may be some truth to this, but come on. Nobody starts 80 games in the NFL without having some talent. That is the equivalent of 5 seasons. My only point is that guy is better than Black.

 

[Obie Wan]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Replacing bad tackles with more bad tackles isn't an upgrade. Don't fall into the "anyone but XXX" trap, becuase it just aint true.

I am not saying McIntosh is a pro-bower but the guy has over 80 starts at left tackle. As someone stated above, Black was horrible.

McIntosh was horrible in Miami.KC replaced a bad LT with a another bad LT.McINtosh is older and more injury prone- so that must be the improvement.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT.At RT, they started 4 different people, including Turley. It was a nightmare.Both RT/LT were awful for the Chiefs. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Have any Chief fans ever seen McIntosh play???? He's not good. Just rolling out a new stiff at LT does not mean you've improved your offensive line. This sounds eerily reminiscent of last season when Chief fans steadfastly refused to admit their tackles were putrid heading into the season. They also didn't think the fact Green/Kennison/Gonzales were all old and declining wouldn't have any effect on their season.... just as this season they seem to be glossing over the fact both Kennison/Gonzales are yet another year older and aren't likely to hold their level of play let alone improve upon it. I know, I know.... the Chiefs drafted Bowe to be a playmaker so all is well in KC! We all know rookie WR's have such a great track record of stepping right in and producing. Rookie WR's drafted by Carl Peterson have had even more success. The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

But of course. you are not biased in any way shape or form.Give me a break...this was a playoff team that got younger and better...but no one outside of the midwest seems to want to do actual research on KC.

 

[ceo3west]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT.At RT, they started 4 different people, including Turley. It was a nightmare.

Both RT/LT were awful for the Chiefs. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Have any Chief fans ever seen McIntosh play???? He's not good. Just rolling out a new stiff at LT does not mean you've improved your offensive line. This sounds eerily reminiscent of last season when Chief fans steadfastly refused to admit their tackles were putrid heading into the season.They also didn't think the fact Green/Kennison/Gonzales were all old and declining wouldn't have any effect on their season.... just as this season they seem to be glossing over the fact both Kennison/Gonzales are yet another year older and aren't likely to hold their level of play let alone improve upon it. I know, I know.... the Chiefs drafted Bowe to be a playmaker so all is well in KC! We all know rookie WR's have such a great track record of stepping right in and producing. Rookie WR's drafted by Carl Peterson have had even more success.

The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

But of course. you are not biased in any way shape or form.Give me a break...this was a playoff team that got younger and better...but no one outside of the midwest seems to want to do actual research on KC.

The jury's still out on this. Personally, I think they'll be lucky to get to 8-8 this year.

 

[Warpig]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT.At RT, they started 4 different people, including Turley. It was a nightmare.Both RT/LT were awful for the Chiefs. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Have any Chief fans ever seen McIntosh play???? He's not good. Just rolling out a new stiff at LT does not mean you've improved your offensive line. This sounds eerily reminiscent of last season when Chief fans steadfastly refused to admit their tackles were putrid heading into the season. They also didn't think the fact Green/Kennison/Gonzales were all old and declining wouldn't have any effect on their season.... just as this season they seem to be glossing over the fact both Kennison/Gonzales are yet another year older and aren't likely to hold their level of play let alone improve upon it. I know, I know.... the Chiefs drafted Bowe to be a playmaker so all is well in KC! We all know rookie WR's have such a great track record of stepping right in and producing. Rookie WR's drafted by Carl Peterson have had even more success. The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

But of course. you are not biased in any way shape or form.Give me a break...this was a playoff team that got younger and better...but no one outside of the midwest seems to want to do actual research on KC.

The defense got better, and they finally did the right thing in the first round and drafted a WR in Bowe. Turk'n'Tank will improve the D-line, Jeff Webb and Hannon are good sleepers that could improve the WR corps.I'm very concerned about Croyle starting off at QB and the questionable O-line. They better hope that Pollard and Page don't take a step back as far as their play and that Surtain and Law stay healthy...not alot of depth at the CB spot or in the secondary as a whole.I do give Herm props for finally trying to go younger with this alzheimers unit.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT.At RT, they started 4 different people, including Turley. It was a nightmare.

Both RT/LT were awful for the Chiefs. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Have any Chief fans ever seen McIntosh play???? He's not good. Just rolling out a new stiff at LT does not mean you've improved your offensive line. This sounds eerily reminiscent of last season when Chief fans steadfastly refused to admit their tackles were putrid heading into the season.They also didn't think the fact Green/Kennison/Gonzales were all old and declining wouldn't have any effect on their season.... just as this season they seem to be glossing over the fact both Kennison/Gonzales are yet another year older and aren't likely to hold their level of play let alone improve upon it. I know, I know.... the Chiefs drafted Bowe to be a playmaker so all is well in KC! We all know rookie WR's have such a great track record of stepping right in and producing. Rookie WR's drafted by Carl Peterson have had even more success.

The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

But of course. you are not biased in any way shape or form.Give me a break...this was a playoff team that got younger and better...but no one outside of the midwest seems to want to do actual research on KC.

The jury's still out on this. Personally, I think they'll be lucky to get to 8-8 this year.

Some may take my optimism as being a blind homer, but with all I have said on KC, I think the ceiling is 9-7 or 10-6 (based on the OL play mostly holding the record down) and the floor is 7-9 ()Because the DEF will be surprisingly good).....in other words, about what they always do in a worst case scenario. Only one season under 7-9 in the last 18 seasons.Now, if Brodie Croyle is given the keys to the car, I could see 5-11 or worse. I have no idea why they do not just use Huard -- a known commodity based on last season.

 

[nygiants56]

I admit to being sucked into the LJ decline, too many carries, KC is horrible hype. I am now off that bandwagon. Classic case of too much analysis. This is a playoff team from last year. Yes, they lost Shields, and Green. However, I don't think this offensive line is as bad as everyone is claiming. Welbourn will move into the RG spot. Wiegmann remains at center. Waters at LG, and McIntosh should be a big upgrade at left tackle. Yes they have the qb situation to address, but Green was not good last year, when healthy. Huard was 5-3 and re-signed. Croyle is young, but this should only re-enforce the focus on the running game. They added a weapon at wr with Bowe. They have an improved defense with the signings of Edwards and Harris, which should help in keeping the games close. They have a moderately tough schedule with SD twice, Den twice, Jacksonville, Chicago, and Minnesota, but LJ played quite well vs. tough defenses last year.

I am not saying the Chiefs will be 11-5, but I think their demise has been greatly exagerated on this board.

When Huard is benched for the rookie in week 6, will LJ still be a stud with 8 in the box? We'll see. I can think of a few safer picks at #3 I'd rather have.

ok, like who?!?Gore? already seen the high end of what he can do,imo..he's one sneeze from IR..injury prone guy for sure..

Westbrook? D McNabb is an injury waiting to happen,when he gets hurt, where does Kolb take them?!

Parker? new offense , won't repeat same #'s.

Addai? never has been a full time ball carrier, even in college. suddenly he's going to last 335 carries? nope.

Benson?! LOL

Peyton? too early at #3.

you did mention you have 'a few safer picks at #3..so,who are they??!?!

not that it matters, Turley is back inthe fold,reportedly at 300lbs, and might move to RT spot. he played well last season, considering that he was trying out as a TE with the Fish, at 260 lbs, and got himself up to 280 before the reg season began , I think thats a solid effort on his behalf. he's no Walter Jones, but he's decent.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

As far as LJ is concerned, 8 in the box is what he's used to. As far as LJ is concerned, he faces tough D's each year, because of the division he's in. As far as KC is concerned, LJ is their only way to stay in games. Is anyone questioning that he'll drop down from 457 touches down to under 350? If you think he will get 350+ touches, there is no reason for him to drop any lower than the 3rd pick in redraft leagues. Anyone doing so is predicting injury.

 

[BoltBacker]

and they finally did the right thing in the first round and drafted a WR in Bowe.

How soon we forget Sylvester Morris.

 

[BoltBacker]

As far as LJ is concerned, 8 in the box is what he's used to. As far as LJ is concerned, he faces tough D's each year, because of the division he's in. As far as KC is concerned, LJ is their only way to stay in games. Is anyone questioning that he'll drop down from 457 touches down to under 350? If you think he will get 350+ touches, there is no reason for him to drop any lower than the 3rd pick in redraft leagues. Anyone doing so is predicting injury.

... or hold out.(BTW I agree that the "he'll face 8-men-in-the-box" logic is rubbish.)

 

[BoltBacker]

Black is not a good LT. He limited their ability last year. I agree there are safer picks at #3 but LJ is also a guy who has averaged 1700 yards and 18 td's over the past 2 seasons. I predict a 1400 yard rushing, 400 yard receiving 15 total td season. This guy is the KC offense.

Black was a horrible LT.At RT, they started 4 different people, including Turley. It was a nightmare.

Both RT/LT were awful for the Chiefs. It wouldn't be hard for the new tackles to be a big upgrade.

Have any Chief fans ever seen McIntosh play???? He's not good. Just rolling out a new stiff at LT does not mean you've improved your offensive line. This sounds eerily reminiscent of last season when Chief fans steadfastly refused to admit their tackles were putrid heading into the season.They also didn't think the fact Green/Kennison/Gonzales were all old and declining wouldn't have any effect on their season.... just as this season they seem to be glossing over the fact both Kennison/Gonzales are yet another year older and aren't likely to hold their level of play let alone improve upon it. I know, I know.... the Chiefs drafted Bowe to be a playmaker so all is well in KC! We all know rookie WR's have such a great track record of stepping right in and producing. Rookie WR's drafted by Carl Peterson have had even more success.

The only thing keeping this team afloat is handing the ball to LJ 400+ times.

But of course. you are not biased in any way shape or form.Give me a break...this was a playoff team that got younger and better...but no one outside of the midwest seems to want to do actual research on KC.

The jury's still out on this. Personally, I think they'll be lucky to get to 8-8 this year.

Some may take my optimism as being a blind homer, but with all I have said on KC, I think the ceiling is 9-7 or 10-6 (based on the OL play mostly holding the record down) and the floor is 7-9 ()Because the DEF will be surprisingly good).....in other words, about what they always do in a worst case scenario. Only one season under 7-9 in the last 18 seasons.Now, if Brodie Croyle is given the keys to the car, I could see 5-11 or worse. I have no idea why they do not just use Huard -- a known commodity based on last season.

They got younger and better.... on DEFENSE. Their only addition of not on offense was a late first round WR. How often do those guys produce???? Their biggest improvement on offense is they replaced the stiff from last year playing LT.... with a new stiff playing LT this year.So tell me again, what's their "floor" if Croyle starts and LJ holds-out??? I would call that a worst-case scenario. And a very possible one.

 

[BoltBacker]

Give me a break...this was a playoff team that got younger and better...but no one outside of the midwest seems to want to do actual research on KC.

Maybe I haven't done my research. You tell me... if LJ holds out who will be the starting tailback for the Kansas City Chiefs? His backup?

 

[Despyzer]

I keep hearing this repeated refrain of "KC was a playoff team last year" as if this means they were some sort of juggernaut. They finished five games out of first place in their division and had a losing record on the road and in their conference. The stars had to align perfectly on that last weekend for them to make the playoffs. They took care of their own business by eeking out a winning record, but they also got REALLY lucky in order to make the playoffs.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Forget the LJ holding out talk. No way he holds out. Aint gonna happen. And he doesn't have the Jamal "I will try not to get injured for sake of an upcoming contract" Lewis mentality.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Give me a break...this was a playoff team that got younger and better...but no one outside of the midwest seems to want to do actual research on KC.

Maybe I haven't done my research. You tell me... if LJ holds out who will be the starting tailback for the Kansas City Chiefs? His backup?

You and I will never agree on anything relating to KC because you are coming at it from a SD fan's perspective....so I am done debating with you....this team was a playoff team that got better.Sure, if Croyle starts and LJ holds out then it is looking bad...same can be said for every other team who would have changes at their starting QB and franchise RB.Deal with what IS, not what COULD BE. At the present time LJ is the RB and Huard is the favorite to be the QB. Given that, I don't see how this team did not get better from last season.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I keep hearing this repeated refrain of "KC was a playoff team last year" as if this means they were some sort of juggernaut. They finished five games out of first place in their division and had a losing record on the road and in their conference. The stars had to align perfectly on that last weekend for them to make the playoffs. They took care of their own business by eeking out a winning record, but they also got REALLY lucky in order to make the playoffs.

But they still made it....and they got better.

 

[Routilla]

When the Raiders are your true competition in the division...the sky is falling.That and Herm Edwards is still the head coach, correct?

LOL at another Herm hater. KC swept OAK last year and split with both DEN and SD. Nice analysis.

 

[Despyzer]

....and they got better.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to base this on anything at all. How have they improved so dramatically?

 

[phthalatemagic]

....and they got better.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to base this on anything at all. How have they improved so dramatically?

He is probably referencing their young defensive front 7 plus Donnie Edwards. I don't know, I'm guessing. I don't think their OL got better. Their RB is the same. Their TEs are the same. If Dwayne Bowe works out, that's huge for them. Their defensive backfield is getting dangerously old. Their QB?

 

[winwithike]

....and they got better.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to base this on anything at all. How have they improved so dramatically?

Not dramatic improvement, but improvement nonetheless. Starting with the offense, this year listed first

QB Huard/Croyle > Huard/Green I haven't heard a single person say Green had even a mediocre year last year. He was borderline AWFUL last year and its not a stretch to say Croyle could and would improve over what Green did last year if he was to become the starter. Huard didn't scare anybody last year and won't again this year but should be more comfortable in a starting role this year and the offense should be geared more towards his strengths than it was last year. Advantage this year

RB LJ/Bennett/Smith > LJ/hurt Bennett Obviously a holdout changes everything, but I'm not too concerned about that. The big workload is a slight concern but I don't predict injuries. Bennett played well last year and assuming he stays healthy can give LJ some rest that he didn't recieve last year. Smith adds depth to the position that wasn't there last year. Advantage this year

TE Gonzo = Gonzo Gonzo hasn't really started to decline yet and I don't expect much of a drop in production this year either. Obviously the team feels the same way or he wouldn't have recieved the contract that he got. Push.

WRs Kennison/Bowe/Parker/Webb/Hannon > Kennison/Parker/Hall Kennison is old and won't be as affective as he was last year, but the rest of the squad has nowhere to go but up. Bowe is an upgrade over Parker and Parker moving to the slot is an upgrade over Hall. Webb and Hannon are impressing the coaching staff and should add some nice depth and one or the other could dethrone Parker. Advantage this year.

LT Mcintosh > Black Admittingly I haven't seen Mcintosh play really, but I have seen enough of Black to state that he very well may have been the worst starter on ANY team at ANY position last year. If Mcintosh is even a mediocre LT, this is a fairly big upgrade. Advantage this year.

LG Waters = Waters If anything, Waters could still be better this year than last. One of the best Gs in the game, and theres not a whole lot that needs to be said about him. Push.

C Wiegmann < Wiegmann A mediocre center who is on the decline. He is still serviceable but not a strength by any means. Advantage last year.

RG Welbourn < Shields This is a downgrade, but not nearly as big of one as those not in the know seem to think. Shields is one of my all time favorite players, but was not playing at a pro bowl level any longer and was simply an above average G last year. Welbourn is back at his natural position and should play at a decent, reliable level. Advantage last year.

RT Bober/Terry/Svitek > last years committee Whoever wins the starting nod should be an improvement over last year, and it goes without saying that the two that don't win the job add better depth to the line than was there last year. Advantage this year.

While none of the positions have significant change from last year, I still see the majority of the positions an upgrade over last years squad which was still not as bad as people think. Top half of the league in points and total offense last year and its a safe assumption to assume they finish around there again this year.

Now where the significant improvement is, the defense. I don't have time to treat this the same as I did the offense, but I think most can agree the defense, which was borderline top 10 last year, should be significantly better and could crack the top 10.

DEs Allen/Hali/Bell/Mcbride/Wilkerson > Allen/Hali/rejects The Allen suspension obviously hurts, but there is depth here that should be adequate in his absence, and Hali was a great rookie but should show improvement into a good to great DE.

DTs Boone/Tyler/Edwards/Reed > Reed/Edwards/Wilkerson/Simms Our two starters from last year are both still with the team and neither will be starting. I think that means its safe to say the position has been upgraded and that they will make better backups than we had last year.

LBs DJ/Harris/Edwards >> DJ/Bell/Mitchell This is a massive upgrade as Bell was borderline worthless last year, and seeing what Mitchell fetched on the open market shows you what kind of player he is. Just getting them off the field is an upgrade and thats not including the actual addition of a leader like Edwards and an above average LB in Harris

CBs These are the same as last year, and that has to be considered a downgrade considering the starters ages. They are still an above average tandem though and losing a step isn't as big of a deal in a Cover 2.

Safeties Page/Pollard > Knight/Wesley Two young safeties with loads of potential. There will be some growing pains I'm sure, but both showed flashes last year and everyone in KC can't wait to see these two in action next year.

Defense is upgraded in every position except CB, and in most cases is upgraded significantly.

A possible top 10 D and an offense that should be better than half the league, doesn't look like many reasons to worry in KC. 8-8 to 10-6 and competing for a playoff birth again this year.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

....and they got better.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to base this on anything at all. How have they improved so dramatically?

He is probably referencing their young defensive front 7 plus Donnie Edwards. I don't know, I'm guessing. I don't think their OL got better. Their RB is the same. Their TEs are the same. If Dwayne Bowe works out, that's huge for them. Their defensive backfield is getting dangerously old. Their QB?

;shakeshead;I guess it is news to you that Page and Pollard are now starting @ FS and SS and that Greg Wesley, although still here, will probably get dealt.

You are right @ CB, but Ty Law did not look too shabby in the AFC Wildcard game - ask Peyton.

And this team did GET BETTER, and it is not dramatic, but very small improvements, as the excellent analysis by winwithike illustrates. Let's see -- a 9-7 playoff team made small improvements at many positions.....stands to reason that they would not regress, but get better, or at worst be similar to 2006.

 

[Boston]

The Chiefs are a middle of the pack team with limited upside both this year and going forward. Their D has gotten better recently but with three key players (Law, Surtain and Edwards) nearing the end of their career there is a lot of work to be done to keep this unit improving. On offense the QB position is a monstrous question mark, the O line is nothing special and their top two recieving threats (Gonzo and Kennison) aren't getting any younger. An injury to LJ could have this unit competing for one of the more ineffective units in the NFL. Right now LJ is absolutely irreplaceable for the Chiefs. Coachingwise Herm is about as average as they come. He's nothing special and not a guy who's going to help a team overachieve. Overall the Chiefs are in no man's land. They're not good enough to be competing for a championship or even a division title this year and they don't have enough young talent to be looking at a bright future. Looking at their roster and coaching situation I just don't see their situation changing anytime soon either.

 

[Routilla]

....and they got better.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to base this on anything at all. How have they improved so dramatically?

Not dramatic improvement, but improvement nonetheless. Starting with the offense, this year listed first

QB Huard/Croyle > Huard/Green I haven't heard a single person say Green had even a mediocre year last year. He was borderline AWFUL last year and its not a stretch to say Croyle could and would improve over what Green did last year if he was to become the starter. Huard didn't scare anybody last year and won't again this year but should be more comfortable in a starting role this year and the offense should be geared more towards his strengths than it was last year. Advantage this year

RB LJ/Bennett/Smith > LJ/hurt Bennett Obviously a holdout changes everything, but I'm not too concerned about that. The big workload is a slight concern but I don't predict injuries. Bennett played well last year and assuming he stays healthy can give LJ some rest that he didn't recieve last year. Smith adds depth to the position that wasn't there last year. Advantage this year

TE Gonzo = Gonzo Gonzo hasn't really started to decline yet and I don't expect much of a drop in production this year either. Obviously the team feels the same way or he wouldn't have recieved the contract that he got. Push.

WRs Kennison/Bowe/Parker/Webb/Hannon > Kennison/Parker/Hall Kennison is old and won't be as affective as he was last year, but the rest of the squad has nowhere to go but up. Bowe is an upgrade over Parker and Parker moving to the slot is an upgrade over Hall. Webb and Hannon are impressing the coaching staff and should add some nice depth and one or the other could dethrone Parker. Advantage this year.

LT Mcintosh > Black Admittingly I haven't seen Mcintosh play really, but I have seen enough of Black to state that he very well may have been the worst starter on ANY team at ANY position last year. If Mcintosh is even a mediocre LT, this is a fairly big upgrade. Advantage this year.

LG Waters = Waters If anything, Waters could still be better this year than last. One of the best Gs in the game, and theres not a whole lot that needs to be said about him. Push.

C Wiegmann < Wiegmann A mediocre center who is on the decline. He is still serviceable but not a strength by any means. Advantage last year.

RG Welbourn < Shields This is a downgrade, but not nearly as big of one as those not in the know seem to think. Shields is one of my all time favorite players, but was not playing at a pro bowl level any longer and was simply an above average G last year. Welbourn is back at his natural position and should play at a decent, reliable level. Advantage last year.

RT Bober/Terry/Svitek > last years committee Whoever wins the starting nod should be an improvement over last year, and it goes without saying that the two that don't win the job add better depth to the line than was there last year. Advantage this year.

While none of the positions have significant change from last year, I still see the majority of the positions an upgrade over last years squad which was still not as bad as people think. Top half of the league in points and total offense last year and its a safe assumption to assume they finish around there again this year.

Now where the significant improvement is, the defense. I don't have time to treat this the same as I did the offense, but I think most can agree the defense, which was borderline top 10 last year, should be significantly better and could crack the top 10.

DEs Allen/Hali/Bell/Mcbride/Wilkerson > Allen/Hali/rejects The Allen suspension obviously hurts, but there is depth here that should be adequate in his absence, and Hali was a great rookie but should show improvement into a good to great DE.

DTs Boone/Tyler/Edwards/Reed > Reed/Edwards/Wilkerson/Simms Our two starters from last year are both still with the team and neither will be starting. I think that means its safe to say the position has been upgraded and that they will make better backups than we had last year.

LBs DJ/Harris/Edwards >> DJ/Bell/Mitchell This is a massive upgrade as Bell was borderline worthless last year, and seeing what Mitchell fetched on the open market shows you what kind of player he is. Just getting them off the field is an upgrade and thats not including the actual addition of a leader like Edwards and an above average LB in Harris

CBs These are the same as last year, and that has to be considered a downgrade considering the starters ages. They are still an above average tandem though and losing a step isn't as big of a deal in a Cover 2.

Safeties Page/Pollard > Knight/Wesley Two young safeties with loads of potential. There will be some growing pains I'm sure, but both showed flashes last year and everyone in KC can't wait to see these two in action next year.

Defense is upgraded in every position except CB, and in most cases is upgraded significantly.

A possible top 10 D and an offense that should be better than half the league, doesn't look like many reasons to worry in KC. 8-8 to 10-6 and competing for a playoff birth again this year.

Nice detailed analysis.

 

[phthalatemagic]

....and they got better.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to base this on anything at all. How have they improved so dramatically?

He is probably referencing their young defensive front 7 plus Donnie Edwards. I don't know, I'm guessing. I don't think their OL got better. Their RB is the same. Their TEs are the same. If Dwayne Bowe works out, that's huge for them. Their defensive backfield is getting dangerously old. Their QB?

;shakeshead;I guess it is news to you that Page and Pollard are now starting @ FS and SS and that Greg Wesley, although still here, will probably get dealt.

You are right @ CB, but Ty Law did not look too shabby in the AFC Wildcard game - ask Peyton.

And this team did GET BETTER, and it is not dramatic, but very small improvements, as the excellent analysis by winwithike illustrates. Let's see -- a 9-7 playoff team made small improvements at many positions.....stands to reason that they would not regress, but get better, or at worst be similar to 2006.

Sorry, their CBs are getting dangerously old. I didn't say they were playing poorly, but eventually they will start to decline. Will it be this year? Possibly. It will happen sooner than later. And teams don't improve in a vacuum. Other teams improve as well. Schedules change from year to year. I am not going to dissect their schedule or how their opponenets have improved becuase it's not even training camp yet, but you can't just say chiefs 2007 > chiefs 2006 therefore chiefs 2007 record > chiefs 2006 record. It doesn't happen that way.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

....and they got better.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to base this on anything at all. How have they improved so dramatically?

He is probably referencing their young defensive front 7 plus Donnie Edwards. I don't know, I'm guessing. I don't think their OL got better. Their RB is the same. Their TEs are the same. If Dwayne Bowe works out, that's huge for them. Their defensive backfield is getting dangerously old. Their QB?

;shakeshead;I guess it is news to you that Page and Pollard are now starting @ FS and SS and that Greg Wesley, although still here, will probably get dealt.

You are right @ CB, but Ty Law did not look too shabby in the AFC Wildcard game - ask Peyton.

And this team did GET BETTER, and it is not dramatic, but very small improvements, as the excellent analysis by winwithike illustrates. Let's see -- a 9-7 playoff team made small improvements at many positions.....stands to reason that they would not regress, but get better, or at worst be similar to 2006.

Sorry, their CBs are getting dangerously old. I didn't say they were playing poorly, but eventually they will start to decline. Will it be this year? Possibly. It will happen sooner than later. And teams don't improve in a vacuum. Other teams improve as well. Schedules change from year to year. I am not going to dissect their schedule or how their opponenets have improved becuase it's not even training camp yet, but you can't just say chiefs 2007 > chiefs 2006 therefore chiefs 2007 record > chiefs 2006 record. It doesn't happen that way.

But that is what we have to go on as no games have been played yet, so in theory my stance is equal to yours, as hard as that may seem to appear. And I am infinitely closer to the every day happenings of this team than most, so, in all honesty, my opinions probably hold more water than someone who is not a KC homer. It is the same reason I have different guys I go to on here when I have questions about different teams. You may not like what I have to say about KC, but I am hardly speaking out my rear.

 

[The Mechanic]

....and they got better.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to base this on anything at all. How have they improved so dramatically?

He is probably referencing their young defensive front 7 plus Donnie Edwards. I don't know, I'm guessing. I don't think their OL got better. Their RB is the same. Their TEs are the same. If Dwayne Bowe works out, that's huge for them. Their defensive backfield is getting dangerously old. Their QB?

;shakeshead;I guess it is news to you that Page and Pollard are now starting @ FS and SS and that Greg Wesley, although still here, will probably get dealt.

You are right @ CB, but Ty Law did not look too shabby in the AFC Wildcard game - ask Peyton.

And this team did GET BETTER, and it is not dramatic, but very small improvements, as the excellent analysis by winwithike illustrates. Let's see -- a 9-7 playoff team made small improvements at many positions.....stands to reason that they would not regress, but get better, or at worst be similar to 2006.

Sorry, their CBs are getting dangerously old. I didn't say they were playing poorly, but eventually they will start to decline. Will it be this year? Possibly. It will happen sooner than later. And teams don't improve in a vacuum. Other teams improve as well. Schedules change from year to year. I am not going to dissect their schedule or how their opponenets have improved becuase it's not even training camp yet, but you can't just say chiefs 2007 > chiefs 2006 therefore chiefs 2007 record > chiefs 2006 record. It doesn't happen that way.

But that is what we have to go on as no games have been played yet, so in theory my stance is equal to yours, as hard as that may seem to appear. And I am infinitely closer to the every day happenings of this team than most, so, in all honesty, my opinions probably hold more water than someone who is not a KC homer. It is the same reason I have different guys I go to on here when I have questions about different teams. You may not like what I have to say about KC, but I am hardly speaking out my rear.

K.A. Thank you for your insight. As a L.J.owner I am Always looking for positive feedback from a homers point of view. Very Much appreciated.

 

[phthalatemagic]

....and they got better.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to base this on anything at all. How have they improved so dramatically?

He is probably referencing their young defensive front 7 plus Donnie Edwards. I don't know, I'm guessing. I don't think their OL got better. Their RB is the same. Their TEs are the same. If Dwayne Bowe works out, that's huge for them. Their defensive backfield is getting dangerously old. Their QB?

;shakeshead;I guess it is news to you that Page and Pollard are now starting @ FS and SS and that Greg Wesley, although still here, will probably get dealt.

You are right @ CB, but Ty Law did not look too shabby in the AFC Wildcard game - ask Peyton.

And this team did GET BETTER, and it is not dramatic, but very small improvements, as the excellent analysis by winwithike illustrates. Let's see -- a 9-7 playoff team made small improvements at many positions.....stands to reason that they would not regress, but get better, or at worst be similar to 2006.

Sorry, their CBs are getting dangerously old. I didn't say they were playing poorly, but eventually they will start to decline. Will it be this year? Possibly. It will happen sooner than later. And teams don't improve in a vacuum. Other teams improve as well. Schedules change from year to year. I am not going to dissect their schedule or how their opponenets have improved becuase it's not even training camp yet, but you can't just say chiefs 2007 > chiefs 2006 therefore chiefs 2007 record > chiefs 2006 record. It doesn't happen that way.

But that is what we have to go on as no games have been played yet, so in theory my stance is equal to yours, as hard as that may seem to appear. And I am infinitely closer to the every day happenings of this team than most, so, in all honesty, my opinions probably hold more water than someone who is not a KC homer. It is the same reason I have different guys I go to on here when I have questions about different teams. You may not like what I have to say about KC, but I am hardly speaking out my rear.

Until you say something irrational, sure.