The Tea Party is back in business! (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

When any of you are ready to actually fix this, let me know. We can fix politics forever in this country with a grassroots movement that requires no interaction from any politician and can not be blocked.

There is nothing to fix other than destroying the Tea Party and not allowing extremists from either side take over. That's it.

Dude...good Lord are you trying to goad people into ripping you a new one?

I really don't care how people react to me. I'm going to keep stating what I believe to be the truth. IMO, the threat of extremism/populism on either side is what is threatening this country. Otherwise we could solve our problems.

John Avlon of The Daily Beast has written two wonderful books on this subject:

Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America

and

Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics

That guy gets it.

 

[Gr00vus]

When any of you are ready to actually fix this, let me know. We can fix politics forever in this country with a grassroots movement that requires no interaction from any politician and can not be blocked.

There is nothing to fix other than destroying the Tea Party and not allowing extremists from either side take over. That's it.

Dude...good Lord are you trying to goad people into ripping you a new one?

I really don't care how people react to me. I'm going to keep stating what I believe to be the truth. IMO, the threat of extremism/populism on either side is what is threatening this country. Otherwise we could solve our problems.

John Avlon of The Daily Beast has written two wonderful books on this subject:

Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America

and

Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics

That guy gets it.

"Who wouldnt agree such platitudes? But they have nothing to do with reality."

--Timscrochet, famous internet poster

 

[wazoo11]

Serious question : what is the GOP hoping to gain?

Imagine if this happened in the philippines.

 

[timschochet]

When any of you are ready to actually fix this, let me know. We can fix politics forever in this country with a grassroots movement that requires no interaction from any politician and can not be blocked.

There is nothing to fix other than destroying the Tea Party and not allowing extremists from either side take over. That's it.

Dude...good Lord are you trying to goad people into ripping you a new one?

I really don't care how people react to me. I'm going to keep stating what I believe to be the truth. IMO, the threat of extremism/populism on either side is what is threatening this country. Otherwise we could solve our problems.

John Avlon of The Daily Beast has written two wonderful books on this subject:

Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America

and

Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics

That guy gets it.

"Who wouldnt agree such platitudes? But they have nothing to do with reality."

--Timscrochet, famous internet poster

Except what I just wrote is very specific.

 

[Statorama]

R's have offered dozens of CR proposals, only to get rebuffed by the Senate time and time again. Don't those stupid republicans know that compromise means giving the democrats everything they want?

 

[Statorama]

Hour 13 of the government shutdown, and I feel fine

 

[Fennis]

WWSPD

 

[RCon]

When any of you are ready to actually fix this, let me know. We can fix politics forever in this country with a grassroots movement that requires no interaction from any politician and can not be blocked.

There is nothing to fix other than destroying the Tea Party and not allowing extremists from either side take over. That's it.

Yes, other than the Tea Party, government is hunky-dory. There are no other problems whatsoever.

Obviously everything is NOT hunky-dory. But we have no problems that cannot be solved, so long as the grownups are the ones attempting to solve them. I truly believe this. We get ourselves into trouble when we give in to the irrational and then attempt to defend it.

In other words, there are no solutions other than to hope that, somehow, continuing our policies of the last 40 years will somehow manage to fix all the problems created by those same policies.

Yes.

In the last 40 years, as a nation, we have chosen to spend far more than we earn. We have done this before. We will no doubt do it again. Sometimes when we do it, it is good for us long term. (as in the case of World War II.) Sometimes it isn't. There's no way to know about this time around yet; maybe we'll know in 20 years, or maybe in 100. When it happens, there is nothing we can do about it but go along with it until we earn enough to make the debt seem insubstantial again (at which point we'll probably increase spending yet again.) What else is there?

Were the grownups the ones attempting to solve the problems for the last 40 years? You know, the problems to which there are no solutions?

 

[bosoxs45]

I don't understand why we are talking about the merits of Obamacare in this thread. It's not going anywhere. The Tea Party seems to actually believe that they will force Obama to abandon it by shutting down the government, but they're the only ones who are suffering under this delusion.

Dumb question - is the tea party members libertarian or pretending to be one?

 

[timschochet]

I don't understand why we are talking about the merits of Obamacare in this thread. It's not going anywhere. The Tea Party seems to actually believe that they will force Obama to abandon it by shutting down the government, but they're the only ones who are suffering under this delusion.

Dumb question - is the tea party members libertarian or pretending to be one?

The term is meaningless these days.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Is there one of these threads to discuss this without Tim having over 100 more posts than everyone else? Geez.

 

[shader]

I'm thinking the Republicans may stretch this thing right to the debt ceiling debate.

 

[Jewell]

But we have no problems that cannot be solved, so long as the grownups are the ones attempting to solve them. I truly believe this. We get ourselves into trouble when we give in to the irrational and then attempt to defend it.

Who decides what the rational, grownup views are?

 

[dgreen]

Just checked my banking account... my wife is already apparently bored at home doing online shopping. This furlough must end!

I gave up on checking our accounts years ago. I'm a happier person now.

 

[dgreen]

WWSPD

What Would the Shark Pool Do?

 

[B-Deep]

This is why congress needs to move to plurality

 

[wazoo11]

Navy-Air Force game may fall victim to federal shutdown

 

[Sand]

If the Senate had a working budget, this wouldn't even be an issue

You mean like the one they passed in March and the House refused to conference on?

Honestly -- tell the truth now. Do you guys even bother to check the stuff you hear on FOX? Or do you just regurgitate it on demand?

Perhaps you missed the word "working"? That budget was a ridiculous farce, and even some democrats knew it (and voted against it). We just had a massive tax increase in the ACA and that budget just kept going during a time when tax increases are an incredibly bad idea (i.e. look at the jobless rate). If Harry had allowed a single Republican idea into the bill then perhaps it would have been swallowed a bit easier on the other side.

Holding that up as a shining example really doesn't go far to prove a point.

 

[17seconds]

http://isthegovernmentopen.com/

 

[Joe T]

Is there one of these threads to discuss this without Tim having over 100 more posts than everyone else? Geez.

No. He gets paid to do this. Not very much, but the payments are real. Enjoy.

 

[Joe T]

WWSPD

What Would the Shark Pool Do?

What Would Sarah Palin Do?

 

[Fennis]

WWSPD

What Would the Shark Pool Do?

What Would Sarah Palin Do?

yup.. Statorma's bracelet.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

R's have offered dozens of CR proposals, only to get rebuffed by the Senate time and time again. Don't those stupid republicans know that compromise means giving the democrats everything they want?

Democrats have been calling for a conference since they passed their budget in March. And Republicans have refused to allow the House to send a delegation because they couldn't agree to empower the conference committee to make any compromises.

Only now, with a gun to the head of the hostage and a list of demands that have nothing to do with the budget, are they interested in the conference.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If the Senate had a working budget, this wouldn't even be an issue

You mean like the one they passed in March and the House refused to conference on?

Honestly -- tell the truth now. Do you guys even bother to check the stuff you hear on FOX? Or do you just regurgitate it on demand?

Perhaps you missed the word "working"? That budget was a ridiculous farce, and even some democrats knew it (and voted against it). We just had a massive tax increase in the ACA and that budget just kept going during a time when tax increases are an incredibly bad idea (i.e. look at the jobless rate). If Harry had allowed a single Republican idea into the bill then perhaps it would have been swallowed a bit easier on the other side.

Holding that up as a shining example really doesn't go far to prove a point.

It's a lot more realistic than the House budget. And those differences are supposed to get worked out in conference.

 

[timschochet]

Is there one of these threads to discuss this without Tim having over 100 more posts than everyone else? Geez.

There is not a SINGLE post of mine which comes anywhere close to the irrationality of the few times you have offered your opinion. That's probably why you find them so annoying.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Navy-Air Force game may fall victim to federal shutdown

How will the athletes get paid?

 

[Mark Davis]

Navy-Air Force game may fall victim to federal shutdown

This one will come out of my pocket. Sold 20 seats to this. Also Army/BC could be called off.

 

[shader]

WWSPD

What Would the Shark Pool Do?

What Would Sarah Palin Do?

yup.. Statorma's bracelet.

What Would the Shark Pool Do would be much more enjoyable.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

WWSPD

What Would the Shark Pool Do?

What Would Sarah Palin Do?

yup.. Statorma's bracelet.

What Would the Shark Pool Do would be much more enjoyable.

If Congress was the Shark Pool, MOP would be walking around sponsoring legislation and telling giving speeches on the floor, until somebody reminded him that he doesn't work there.

 

[greenroom]

R's have offered dozens of CR proposals, only to get rebuffed by the Senate time and time again. Don't those stupid republicans know that compromise means giving the democrats everything they want?

It's not a compromise when you're demanding something you have no right to and giving something you have no right to give. The Republicans aren't legislating or compromising; they're enacting a terrorist bomb threat. Give us $50MM or we'll blow up the school.

So would you be ok if the Dems came to the table and said that Gun Control is on the table. (not that I am in favor of Gun Control.) You think the Republicans would even give it a second thought? No way in hell they would.

 

[Clifford]

R's have offered dozens of CR proposals, only to get rebuffed by the Senate time and time again. Don't those stupid republicans know that compromise means giving the democrats everything they want?

It's not a compromise when you're demanding something you have no right to and giving something you have no right to give. The Republicans aren't legislating or compromising; they're enacting a terrorist bomb threat. Give us $50MM or we'll blow up the school.

So would you be ok if the Dems came to the table and said that Gun Control is on the table. (not that I am in favor of Gun Control.) You think the Republicans would even give it a second thought? No way in hell they would.

Or...

OK but we want to cease all subsidies to the oil companies

Ok but we want to stop sending subsidies to factory farms

Ok but we want to close offshore tax loopholes

Ok but we want to raise estate tax

Ok but we want reform process for military bidding

 

[Slapdash]

Well the shutdown has brought Matthias out of hiding, can't be all bad.

 

[Phil Elliott]

R's have offered dozens of CR proposals, only to get rebuffed by the Senate time and time again. Don't those stupid republicans know that compromise means giving the democrats everything they want?

It's not a compromise when you're demanding something you have no right to and giving something you have no right to give. The Republicans aren't legislating or compromising; they're enacting a terrorist bomb threat. Give us $50MM or we'll blow up the school.

So would you be ok if the Dems came to the table and said that Gun Control is on the table. (not that I am in favor of Gun Control.) You think the Republicans would even give it a second thought? No way in hell they would.

Or...

OK but we want to cease all subsidies to the oil companies

Ok but we want to stop sending subsidies to factory farms

Ok but we want to close offshore tax loopholes

Ok but we want to raise estate tax

Ok but we want reform process for military bidding

Everything is negotiable. Maybe they should give it a try.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

R's have offered dozens of CR proposals, only to get rebuffed by the Senate time and time again. Don't those stupid republicans know that compromise means giving the democrats everything they want?

It's not a compromise when you're demanding something you have no right to and giving something you have no right to give. The Republicans aren't legislating or compromising; they're enacting a terrorist bomb threat. Give us $50MM or we'll blow up the school.

So would you be ok if the Dems came to the table and said that Gun Control is on the table. (not that I am in favor of Gun Control.) You think the Republicans would even give it a second thought? No way in hell they would.

Or...

OK but we want to cease all subsidies to the oil companies

Ok but we want to stop sending subsidies to factory farms

Ok but we want to close offshore tax loopholes

Ok but we want to raise estate tax

Ok but we want reform process for military bidding

Everything is negotiable. Maybe they should give it a try.

I am up for this.

 

[17seconds]

The GOP can't possibly win this stalemate, can they?

The government is shutdown but the ACA moves forward. If it stopped or slowed the ACA, that would be one thing. But the only thing this can do is greatly damage their party. Eventually, maybe only within a few days, the public will tire of this ploy which has nothing but a negative effect.

 

[Ballstein]

WW2 vets

http://www.stripes.com/news/wwii-veterans-storm-d-c-memorial-closed-by-government-shutdown-1.244447

again, this is bad...for the GOP

 

[Phil Elliott]

Hardly a shutdown....seems like more of a slow down.

 

[the moops]

R's have offered dozens of CR proposals, only to get rebuffed by the Senate time and time again. Don't those stupid republicans know that compromise means giving the democrats everything they want?

hahaha. They are not compromising on a bill. This thing is already a ####### law. Passed by both houses, signed by the president, and deemed constitutional by the supreme court. This is not something that the word compromise should relate to

 

[spreagle]

Obama won't use the 14 amendment to get around debt limit:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-01/white-house-rejects-14th-amendment-to-raise-debt-ceiling.html

I think the 14th amendment is obsolete and should be canned anyways, people certainly have the right to question the public debt when there is absolutely no intention to ever pay the debt back honestly.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The GOP can't possibly win this stalemate, can they?

The government is shutdown but the ACA moves forward. If it stopped or slowed the ACA, that would be one thing. But the only thing this can do is greatly damage their party. Eventually, maybe only within a few days, the public will tire of this ploy which has nothing but a negative effect.

The folks that are doing this are in super-safe districts that allowed them to survive the last election. They're also radicals that don't care about the fate of the national party.

 

[Fennis]

Hardly a shutdown....seems like more of a slow down.

time.gov is offline. time to panic!

 

[Phil Elliott]

R's have offered dozens of CR proposals, only to get rebuffed by the Senate time and time again. Don't those stupid republicans know that compromise means giving the democrats everything they want?

hahaha. They are not compromising on a bill. This thing is already a ####### law. Passed by both houses, signed by the president, and deemed constitutional by the supreme court.This is not something that the word compromise should relate to

But the President can decide on what part of the bill to implement or delay.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Hardly a shutdown....seems like more of a slow down.

They can't even do a shutdown correctly.

 

[Mark Davis]

Given that the only play here is Boehner to bring a clean bill to vote, how long does this go on? He has to know this is the end game right now, there is no real other alternative. Politically this only gets worse the longer he waits in my mind.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Hardly a shutdown....seems like more of a slow down.

They can't even do a shutdown correctly.

really. go figure.

 

[glock]

Love me some Jon Stewart...

 

[timschochet]

Well the shutdown has brought Matthias out of hiding, can't be all bad.

Missed you, Matthias.

 

[timschochet]

The GOP can't possibly win this stalemate, can they?

The government is shutdown but the ACA moves forward. If it stopped or slowed the ACA, that would be one thing. But the only thing this can do is greatly damage their party. Eventually, maybe only within a few days, the public will tire of this ploy which has nothing but a negative effect.

Per the Sean Hannity show, the latest plan by the House Republicans is to pass individual spending bills- the way they passed the one for the military last night, and then dare the Dems in the Senate to vote against. For example, they might pass a bill today which authorizes immediate spending for the national parks which would allow them to open again. If the Senate refuses, then the House can point at the Senate and say, "THEY'RE the ones who want to punish us," etc.

Hannity loves this; he's egging them on. Personally, I think this is all theater, and that Boehner is looking for a way to gracefully surrender and at the same time not lose his job. Not sure this is possible...

 

[tom22406]

Note for Tim.

Please turn off the radio.

Signed,

The FFA

 

[timschochet]

Note for Tim.

Please turn off the radio.

Signed,

The FFA

Well, since you said "please" ...

I could only stand to listen to a few minutes away. But I did think the part about the House passing separate funding bills was interesting anyhow, which is why I posted it here.