The Tea Party is back in business! (1 Viewer)

[Yankee23Fan]

The other issue is the gerrymandering. Ironically both Republicans and Democrats worked together to make this happen. But the reality is that "safe seats" makes compromise unlikely and polarized politics inevitable. It gives far greater power to extremist attitudes than they should have based on the polls.

How can we resolve this? Yankee? Anyone?

Give me fiat power for 5 years. I will happily step down to the newly elected President in 2018. HE will be walking into the equivalent of a room full of gold bricks and naked blondes.

 

[[icon]]

Random question...

Do proponents of ACA feel that it will be different or similar to the results Massachusetts has had with "RomneyCare"?

• If different, how and why?

• If same, do you feel Romneycare is a success?

Thanks. Honest question.

BUMP

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The other issue is the gerrymandering. Ironically both Republicans and Democrats worked together to make this happen. But the reality is that "safe seats" makes compromise unlikely and polarized politics inevitable. It gives far greater power to extremist attitudes than they should have based on the polls.

How can we resolve this? Yankee? Anyone?

I believe that the way Iowa handles redistricting is worth considering.http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Redistricting_in_Iowa

I thought it was Iowa that did this. If we ever had a constitutional convention, IMO, this should be on the top of the list.

+1

 

[The Commish]

The House was highly partisan and gerrymandered under Pelosi as well. It's been that way for a long time.

We blame the government for being a polarized cluster####, but they are only that way because we are. The entire country is highly polarized and it's not changing anytime soon.

I don't believe this. In the late 90s Tom Delay got together with some of his opponents in the Democratic party and they did a whole bunch of gerrymandering. Prior to that, there were far less "safe seats", and extremists had much less influence.

Back in the 90s, some Democrats thought that the House Republicans led by Newt Gingrich were extremists. But they weren't. They were traditional fiscally conservative Republicans. They were nothing like the Tea Party is now. The "Tea Party" faction of the conservative movement back then was relegated to militia groups and pulling crap like Ruby Ridge- they had no role in the leadership of the Republican party. Now, thanks in part to gerrymandering and thanks in part to a visceral reaction to the election of Barack Obama, suddenly the Tea Party types have real influence, and we can see how damaging that has been.

Didn't you acknowledge that the dems and repubs worked together on gerrymandering?? They did it. Who put them in office? The mental gymnastics required to suggest it's one party's fault or the other's and has nothing to do with those who put them in office is legendary. Hell, they are even using their constituencies as excuses for their behavior. Some of you are real gems

 

[B-Deep]

The other issue is the gerrymandering. Ironically both Republicans and Democrats worked together to make this happen. But the reality is that "safe seats" makes compromise unlikely and polarized politics inevitable. It gives far greater power to extremist attitudes than they should have based on the polls.

How can we resolve this? Yankee? Anyone?

I believe that the way Iowa handles redistricting is worth considering.http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Redistricting_in_Iowa

I thought it was Iowa that did this. If we ever had a constitutional convention, IMO, this should be on the top of the list.

+1

look at how beautiful this is

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/images/thumb/3/30/IowaStatePlanScaled.jpg/800px-IowaStatePlanScaled.jpg

it is criminal that it is not done this way everywhere

 

[Statorama]

In my line of work I'm in charge of large scale projects, so I'm no stranger to opposing sides locking horns. But there's always at least one person in the room looking for a win win solution, and that seems to be missing here. It SHOULD be Obama, but he's the most partisan in the bunch. O should be taking a "godfather" role here and settling the dispute, but instead of putting himself above the issue he's chosen a side. It's another example of what a colossal missed opportunity his Presidency has been. With the popular wave he rode in on, he could have done so much. But he never understood that he's the president of ALL of the people. Not just Democrats. Not just unions. Not just for the global warming nuts. Everyone. But there's a faction of the country that he wants to crush, by any means necessary. I can't recall a president in my lifetime that had such a bloodthirsty vendetta against roughly half of the country.

There's room for compromise here, but it seems like anyone that blinks gets torn up like a porkchop in a dog kennel.

I find it unfathomable that we are still in CR mode. These discussions shouldn't even be happening. A CR to bridge the gap between budgets shouldn't extend to six years.

 

[[icon]]

Random question...

Do proponents of ACA feel that it will be different or similar to the results Massachusetts has had with "RomneyCare"?

• If different, how and why?

• If same, do you feel Romneycare is a success?

Thanks. Honest question.

BUMP

 

[Scoresman]

Random question...

Do proponents of ACA feel that it will be different or similar to the results Massachusetts has had with "RomneyCare"?

• If different, how and why?

• If same, do you feel Romneycare is a success?

Thanks. Honest question.

BUMP

might have more luck in one of the ACA threads.

 

[badmojo1006]

Random question...

Do proponents of ACA feel that it will be different or similar to the results Massachusetts has had with "RomneyCare"?

• If different, how and why?

• If same, do you feel Romneycare is a success?

Thanks. Honest question.

BUMP

Get the hint, we are ignoring you

 

[rascal]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

How much do you think your employer is paying?

Are you implying my salary will go up by the amount they no longer pay? If so, I have some outstanding ocean front property for sale.

No. I think he's implying people who get their health insurance from their employer have no idea on the total cost of the benefit. The only reason the numbers seem high is because by and large we're insulated from them. If everyone was buying their insurance on the open market, those numbers would look pretty good.

I know the overall numbers are high, but I am looking from a selfish point of view as I look for what's in the best interests of my family. Instead of having my employer paying X% of my health care costs, I'm going to have to pick up all of my family's health care which is going to be substantially more than what I pay now. That is less money out of my pocket, and I guarantee that my salary will not go up in a corresponding move. My employers executives are going to say thanks Obama and pocket the money. I see this as nothing but a $$ grab by all parties against the middle class.

 

[quickhands]

The other issue is the gerrymandering. Ironically both Republicans and Democrats worked together to make this happen. But the reality is that "safe seats" makes compromise unlikely and polarized politics inevitable. It gives far greater power to extremist attitudes than they should have based on the polls.

How can we resolve this? Yankee? Anyone?

id rather you told us. oh and how the tea party is responsible 4 gerrymandering

 

[shader]

https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov

Comments there are fun to read

 

[Joe T]

Can we please fix the thread title?

As far as I can tell, the "essential" parts of the federal government have not been shut down by the tea party or anyone else.

K? Thx.

 

[drummer]

https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov

Comments there are fun to read

That would be going by your definition of fun.

 

[the moops]

but instead of putting himself above the issue he's chosen a side.

You are dense

 

[Jackstraw]

The other issue is the gerrymandering. Ironically both Republicans and Democrats worked together to make this happen. But the reality is that "safe seats" makes compromise unlikely and polarized politics inevitable. It gives far greater power to extremist attitudes than they should have based on the polls.

How can we resolve this? Yankee? Anyone?

Give me fiat power for 5 years. I will happily step down to the newly elected President in 2018. HE will be walking into the equivalent of a room full of gold bricks and naked blondes.

Please god make me as smart as this guy thinks he is.

 

[[icon]]

Random question...

Do proponents of ACA feel that it will be different or similar to the results Massachusetts has had with "RomneyCare"?

• If different, how and why?

• If same, do you feel Romneycare is a success?

Thanks. Honest question.

BUMP

Get the hint, we are ignoring you

Why? It's a simple question.

 

[Dr Oadi]

The White House tells park rangers to make life as difficult for people as they can while the WH blog ask for hard luck stories.

 

[Gr00vus]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.

Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

How much do you think your employer is paying?

Are you implying my salary will go up by the amount they no longer pay? If so, I have some outstanding ocean front property for sale.

Yeah, that was my basic concern as well. If I have to pay 4 times as much as I do now for healthcare and my employer doesn't make up the difference, it's a painful hit to my bottom line. I'm not saying it will go down that way exactly, hopefully if they got this govt. healthcare thing worked out right it wouldn't be that much of a hit. But as it stands now the prospect of my employer cutting me loose and having the current scenario be my fall back option is not a crowd pleaser.

 

[bagger]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

How much do you think your employer is paying?

Are you implying my salary will go up by the amount they no longer pay? If so, I have some outstanding ocean front property for sale.

No. I think he's implying people who get their health insurance from their employer have no idea on the total cost of the benefit. The only reason the numbers seem high is because by and large we're insulated from them. If everyone was buying their insurance on the open market, those numbers would look pretty good.

I know the overall numbers are high, but I am looking from a selfish point of view as I look for what's in the best interests of my family. Instead of having my employer paying X% of my health care costs, I'm going to have to pick up all of my family's health care which is going to be substantially more than what I pay now. That is less money out of my pocket, and I guarantee that my salary will not go up in a corresponding move. My employers executives are going to say thanks Obama and pocket the money. I see this as nothing but a $$ grab by all parties against the middle class.

so look for a job where the employer picks up more of the healthcare benefits.

 

[roadkill1292]

The other issue is the gerrymandering. Ironically both Republicans and Democrats worked together to make this happen. But the reality is that "safe seats" makes compromise unlikely and polarized politics inevitable. It gives far greater power to extremist attitudes than they should have based on the polls.

How can we resolve this? Yankee? Anyone?

Give me fiat power for 5 years. I will happily step down to the newly elected President in 2018. HE will be walking into the equivalent of a room full of gold bricks and naked blondes.

Please god make me as smart as this guy thinks he is.

That's a good idea for a poll. "I'd like to be as smart as (a) Christo, (b) Jewell or © Cobalt thinks they are?"

 

[tommyboy]

One side shut down the government and the other side said they won't make any compromises to get it back up and running. Both sides are at fault.

Lifelong Republican voter here:

There are no reasonable compromises for Democrats to make from their own perspective. Democrats should treat all aspects of Obamacare as inviolable, or else this same shutdown tactic will be used in the future (by either party).

Piggybacking boutique spending bills onto the annual appropriations bill should be forbidden going forward. Probably needs a constitutional amendment to enforce that, but still. What's going on now is dirty pool, and should be considered by all and sundry as out-of-bounds.

this is exactly right. NOBODY should want the dems to cave because if they do this then becomes a viable tool for people in both parties to use on any issue they dont like, even if it is law.abortion? shut govt down.

social security? shut govt down.

medicare? shut govt down.

spotted owl? shut govt down.

this is a very dangerous precedent to set. for the good of the country in the long term the dems have to make a stand that this tactic is completely inappropriate to be used as a negotiating tool just because you have sour grapes of some thing LEGAL that you dont like.

Exactly.

There's also the fact that the Dems already compromised plenty on Obamacare. There's been literally nothing but compromise with the ACA since it was first proposed. There's been compromise after compromise with the Republicans on the budget, entitlements, revenues, everything. Republicans have been playing this zero-sum game for years where they refuse to give an inch. But now that the Democrats are in a position where they can't yield without ruining the democratic process Republicans start crying about how they won't compromise.

The Republican idea of compromise is "you give us what we want, and we'll allow the government to function". It's completely insane

This meme of "Democrats already compromised on Obamacare" is stupid. Democrats didn't compromise one bit with Republicans. Democrats compromised with other Democrats in order to get enough Democrat votes to get over the 50% threshold.

its what you call projection, where a person accuses another of the behavior they themselves are actually doing. In this case, the Dems rammed the largest entitlement of several generations down the throats of the United States without one, not one, Republican vote. They made no compromises.

This was one of the reasons the Tea Party was spawned, and now instead of acknowledging their own boorish behavior, the Dems continue to whine about Tea Party 'anarchists". Buy a mirror.

 

[drummer]

One side shut down the government and the other side said they won't make any compromises to get it back up and running. Both sides are at fault.

Lifelong Republican voter here:

There are no reasonable compromises for Democrats to make from their own perspective. Democrats should treat all aspects of Obamacare as inviolable, or else this same shutdown tactic will be used in the future (by either party).

Piggybacking boutique spending bills onto the annual appropriations bill should be forbidden going forward. Probably needs a constitutional amendment to enforce that, but still. What's going on now is dirty pool, and should be considered by all and sundry as out-of-bounds.

this is exactly right. NOBODY should want the dems to cave because if they do this then becomes a viable tool for people in both parties to use on any issue they dont like, even if it is law.abortion? shut govt down.

social security? shut govt down.

medicare? shut govt down.

spotted owl? shut govt down.

this is a very dangerous precedent to set. for the good of the country in the long term the dems have to make a stand that this tactic is completely inappropriate to be used as a negotiating tool just because you have sour grapes of some thing LEGAL that you dont like.

Exactly.

There's also the fact that the Dems already compromised plenty on Obamacare. There's been literally nothing but compromise with the ACA since it was first proposed. There's been compromise after compromise with the Republicans on the budget, entitlements, revenues, everything. Republicans have been playing this zero-sum game for years where they refuse to give an inch. But now that the Democrats are in a position where they can't yield without ruining the democratic process Republicans start crying about how they won't compromise.

The Republican idea of compromise is "you give us what we want, and we'll allow the government to function". It's completely insane

This meme of "Democrats already compromised on Obamacare" is stupid. Democrats didn't compromise one bit with Republicans. Democrats compromised with other Democrats in order to get enough Democrat votes to get over the 50% threshold.

its what you call projection, where a person accuses another of the behavior they themselves are actually doing. In this case, the Dems rammed the largest entitlement of several generations down the throats of the United States without one, not one, Republican vote. They made no compromises.

This was one of the reasons the Tea Party was spawned, and now instead of acknowledging their own boorish behavior, the Dems continue to whine about Tea Party 'anarchists". Buy a mirror.

tommyworld!

 

[Don Quixote]

Just another day in DC...

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NEW: Park Police say a man may have attempted to set himself on fire at the National Mall. @JackieBensen is on the scene.

 

[Mark Davis]

The other issue is the gerrymandering. Ironically both Republicans and Democrats worked together to make this happen. But the reality is that "safe seats" makes compromise unlikely and polarized politics inevitable. It gives far greater power to extremist attitudes than they should have based on the polls.

How can we resolve this? Yankee? Anyone?

I believe that the way Iowa handles redistricting is worth considering.http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Redistricting_in_Iowa

I thought it was Iowa that did this. If we ever had a constitutional convention, IMO, this should be on the top of the list.

+1

We should redraw all of our districts this way. While I know it will never happen due to people losing their political careers it would get rid of some of the extreme fringes we have in the House.

 

[[icon]]

Random question...

Do proponents of ACA feel that it will be different or similar to the results Massachusetts has had with "RomneyCare"?

• If different, how and why?

• If same, do you feel Romneycare is a success?

Thanks. Honest question.

BUMP

Get the hint, we are ignoring you

Why? It's a simple question.

I imagine after a while this is going to get pretty tough to scroll past on a mobile device

bump.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

In my line of work I'm in charge of large scale projects, so I'm no stranger to opposing sides locking horns. But there's always at least one person in the room looking for a win win solution, and that seems to be missing here. It SHOULD be Obama, but he's the most partisan in the bunch. O should be taking a "godfather" role here and settling the dispute, but instead of putting himself above the issue he's chosen a side. It's another example of what a colossal missed opportunity his Presidency has been. With the popular wave he rode in on, he could have done so much. But he never understood that he's the president of ALL of the people. Not just Democrats. Not just unions. Not just for the global warming nuts. Everyone. But there's a faction of the country that he wants to crush, by any means necessary. I can't recall a president in my lifetime that had such a bloodthirsty vendetta against roughly half of the country.

There's room for compromise here, but it seems like anyone that blinks gets torn up like a porkchop in a dog kennel.

I find it unfathomable that we are still in CR mode. These discussions shouldn't even be happening. A CR to bridge the gap between budgets shouldn't extend to six years.

Is this Schtick?

From an outsiders view it looks like the Republicans are doing everything in their power to bend the system to their will. If this were allowed to happen and the Democrats gave in, do you not realize the shift in balance that would occur in your political system. All of a sudden Congress would have all the power to implement whatever they wanted come budget time. I think the US has a good system between Congress, Senate, and the Power of Veto of the Potus, but to allow this to happen would completely break the system.

I actually believe that Obama is leading by not bending an inch on this one. He has also given a few oppurtunities to Boehner to back down and save face, but he hasn't taken them.

I think the end game for the Republican party is to have this whole mess blow up on Cruz and the Tea Party with Boehner being the sacrificial lamb. The worse this mess gets, the more chance the party has to rid themselves of these radicals. The next round of Primaries should be interesting for the Republicans.

 

[Joe T]

Its got to be some sort of record for a 30+ thread to have more posts from one guy than everyone else in the thread combined. This is like the Madden Franchise threads by that Raiders94 guy.

 

[bagger]

Its got to be some sort of record for a 30+ thread to have more posts from one guy than everyone else in the thread combined. This is like the Madden Franchise threads by that Raiders94 guy.

lmFAo"Leading the 1994 Cincinnati Bengals to glory..."

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Its got to be some sort of record for a 30+ thread to have more posts from one guy than everyone else in the thread combined. This is like the Madden Franchise threads by that Raiders94 guy.

I think that was Hoard33.

 

[Joe T]

Its got to be some sort of record for a 30+ thread to have more posts from one guy than everyone else in the thread combined. This is like the Madden Franchise threads by that Raiders94 guy.

I think that was Hoard33.

Your notebook is better than this.

 

[tommyGunZ]

In my line of work I'm in charge of large scale projects, so I'm no stranger to opposing sides locking horns. But there's always at least one person in the room looking for a win win solution, and that seems to be missing here. It SHOULD be Obama, but he's the most partisan in the bunch. O should be taking a "godfather" role here and settling the dispute, but instead of putting himself above the issue he's chosen a side. It's another example of what a colossal missed opportunity his Presidency has been. With the popular wave he rode in on, he could have done so much. But he never understood that he's the president of ALL of the people. Not just Democrats. Not just unions. Not just for the global warming nuts. Everyone. But there's a faction of the country that he wants to crush, by any means necessary. I can't recall a president in my lifetime that had such a bloodthirsty vendetta against roughly half of the country.

There's room for compromise here, but it seems like anyone that blinks gets torn up like a porkchop in a dog kennel.

I find it unfathomable that we are still in CR mode. These discussions shouldn't even be happening. A CR to bridge the gap between budgets shouldn't extend to six years.

Is this Schtick?

From an outsiders view it looks like the Republicans are doing everything in their power to bend the system to their will. If this were allowed to happen and the Democrats gave in, do you not realize the shift in balance that would occur in your political system. All of a sudden Congress would have all the power to implement whatever they wanted come budget time. I think the US has a good system between Congress, Senate, and the Power of Veto of the Potus, but to allow this to happen would completely break the system.

I actually believe that Obama is leading by not bending an inch on this one. He has also given a few oppurtunities to Boehner to back down and save face, but he hasn't taken them.

I think the end game for the Republican party is to have this whole mess blow up on Cruz and the Tea Party with Boehner being the sacrificial lamb. The worse this mess gets, the more chance the party has to rid themselves of these radicals. The next round of Primaries should be interesting for the Republicans.

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

 

[drummer]

Its got to be some sort of record for a 30+ thread to have more posts from one guy than everyone else in the thread combined. This is like the Madden Franchise threads by that Raiders94 guy.

Stats please.

 

[Joe T]

Its got to be some sort of record for a 30+ thread to have more posts from one guy than everyone else in the thread combined. This is like the Madden Franchise threads by that Raiders94 guy.

Stats please.

Portis26

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=101422&hl=raiders

 

[Scoresman]

The folks at the national weather service got cute with a forecast today.

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=AFC&product=AFD&format=CI&version=2&glossary=1

PRESSURES AT THE CENTER OF THE WESTERN GULF SURFACE LOW CONTINUE TOLEVEL AS DYNAMIC SUPPORT HAS ONCE AGAIN RUN OUT. THE UPPER TROUGHEASES SLOWLY EASTWARD IN THE GULF WITH THE REMAINING SURFACE LOWAMALGAMATING INTO A BROAD COMPLEX CENTER UNDER THE UPPER LOW. WINDSPEEDS IN THE JET STREAK DOWNSTREAM OF THE LONG-WAVE APPROACH 140 KT.ENTERING THE BACKSIDE OF THE TROUGH...A WEAKER JET STREAK CONTINUESPUSHING THE PROGRESSIVE PATTERN. RAIN SHOWERS PERSIST IN THE GULF...ALTHOUGH THE FRONT IS RAPIDLY WEAKENING EARLY THIS MORNING.YESTERDAY`S COASTAL JET HAS WOUND DOWN WITH THE ENERGY SHIFTINGUNDERNEATH THE BACKSIDE JET BEHIND THE LOW BRINGING THE STRONGESTSUSTAINED WINDS FROM BRISTOL BAY THROUGH THE SOUTHERN GULF.HINT: Read the first letter of each line going down.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

 

[drummer]

I feel bad for the gym trainer being ignorant too. Now, even more so.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!" The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

2/3rds of the uninsured "plan" to buy insurance. 25% will pay the fine. 11% says #### that.

 

[Scoresman]

maybe not paying the fine will be like not going to jury duty. it's illegal but nothing will ever really happen to you.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!" The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

2/3rds of the uninsured "plan" to buy insurance. 25% will pay the fine. 11% says #### that.

source? There are 48.6 million uninsured.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!" The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

2/3rds of the uninsured "plan" to buy insurance. 25% will pay the fine. 11% says #### that.

source? There are 45 million uninsured.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/164696/two-three-uninsured-americans-plan-buy-insurance.aspx

 

[tommyGunZ]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

So your trainer is either going to have to get health insurance or he'll be force to contribute to the insurance society is already paying for him that he is currently shirking on.

How is this bad for a lot of Americans again?

 

[Dr Oadi]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

So your trainer is either going to have to get health insurance or he'll be force to contribute to the insurance society is already paying for him that he is currently shirking on.

How is this bad for a lot of Americans again?

This mentality that all uninsured people get their doctor bills paid for by "society" is bull####.

 

[moleculo]

I'm pretty pissed that the ®'s aren't just allowing this to run it's course. If it's as terrible as they claim, they will be able to blame the D's for it, fix it, and be the hero.

Are the ®'s afraid that ACA will be popular?

The end game is single payer anyways. That's the inevitability of the situation. All of this political grandstanding and theater is just delaying the natural course. I wish they would just rib the band-aid off and get it over with.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

So your trainer is either going to have to get health insurance or he'll be force to contribute to the insurance society is already paying for him that he is currently shirking on.

How is this bad for a lot of Americans again?

How is he shirking? Let me give you an example. I move to FL to start a business and I am uninsured, I get assaulted by some ##### and end up in the hospital with a $13k bill that I am now responsible for, am I too shirking the "insurance society"?

 

[drummer]

JOJO'S GETTIN' UPSET!

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I feel bad for the gym trainer being ignorant too. Now, even more so.

Nice!

 

[moleculo]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

So your trainer is either going to have to get health insurance or he'll be force to contribute to the insurance society is already paying for him that he is currently shirking on.

How is this bad for a lot of Americans again?

How is he shirking? Let me give you an example. I move to FL to start a business and I am uninsured, I get assaulted by some ##### and end up in the hospital with a $13k bill that I am now responsible for, am I too shirking the "insurance society"?

if you don't have the means to pay, who foots the bill?

 

[Arizona Ron]

GOP Congressman Makes Park Ranger Apologize for Shutdown

And yet, the day before

The day before he was taped harassing a Park Ranger for doing her job, Neugebauer went onThe Chad Hasty Show to state that he will keep the government shut down for "as long as it takes" to ensure that Obamacare is not funded, claiming it was the will of the American people.

There are no words for this level of douchebaggery

Unreal - now he's apologizing.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!" The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

2/3rds of the uninsured "plan" to buy insurance. 25% will pay the fine. 11% says #### that.

source? There are 45 million uninsured.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/164696/two-three-uninsured-americans-plan-buy-insurance.aspx

How can they know they will buy health insurance without knowing what it will cost them? You do realize the ACA was advertising free health insurance and have since changed their tune to "low cost" right? There's no way in hell 2/3rds of uninsured Americans are going to be insured in the next 2 months. Only way that happens is if a large percentage of them realize they can't afford their taxes for 2014 after they realize how much this is going to cost them per month.