The Tea Party is back in business! (1 Viewer)

[dparker713]

Obama's position is strengthening day by day. I'm not sure he's going to give any concessions to the republicans.

I'm not saying he should make any significant changes to Obamacare. But on the other hand, if something minor like removing the device tax will end this, he should do it.

Yes, if he stays firm, the Republicans will probably surrender anyhow. But is forcing the Republican leadership to lose face really good for America? I don't think it is. I think that if Boehner has to give in gaining nothing, there may be a civil war within the GOP, and I'm not confident that the Tea Party types won't win that. I think Boehner needs to be strengthened.

No, the Dems should not give anything. They shouldn't let the Republicans save any face. They should not reinforce the current behavior in any way.

 

[SlimShady]

Exposure

Fox News poll has found disapproval of the Republican Party jumping to 59% in their latest poll.

According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%.

heh:

Obama falls to 41% approval in latest Gallup

 

[LinusMarr]

Good ol Obama, the "unifier" lolz....

 

[Dr Oadi]

Exposure

Fox News poll has found disapproval of the Republican Party jumping to 59% in their latest poll.According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%.

heh:

Obama falls to 41% approval in latest Gallup

But the American people dislike their guy more than they dislike us so.Winning!

 

[drummer]

Exposure

Fox News poll has found disapproval of the Republican Party jumping to 59% in their latest poll.

According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%.

heh:

Obama falls to 41% approval in latest Gallup

Exposure

Fox News poll has found disapproval of the Republican Party jumping to 59% in their latest poll.

According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%.

heh:

Obama falls to 41% approval in latest Gallup

MY POLE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS

 

[Fennis]

Evil Tea Party!!!!

Impeach Boehner!!!!!

Stupid Rednecks!!!!!

Talk Radio!!!!!!

Gerrymandering!!!!!

Worse than the Taliban!!!!

Rinse and repeat.......

if the shoe fits

 

[Sabertooth]

I keep reading the title of this threads as "Tea Party Sluts...."

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What stuns me is that everyone know Obamacare won't work. People are saying there's no room to compromise but this whole thing will be one big compromise. Once it fails, Democrats will attempt to amend it countless times to reach their true goal of socialized medicine under a fluffy name so people don't actually call it socialized medicine.

NO ONE WANTS OBAMACARE. Including Democrats. This is just the beginning of years and years of painful negotiations.

Probably true. And there was much negotiation and public meetings and compromises. And it's not perfect and there will be changes over the years. But it's also true that you don't hold the government budget and country hostage as a negotiation tool

 

[Fennis]

I keep reading the title of this threads as "Tea Party Sluts...."

Tea Party slut

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I don't get why the government has to borrow money to pay benefits. Just cut the credit card and let people fend for themselves. There is nothing wrong with being poor.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I don't get why the government has to borrow money to pay benefits. Just cut the credit card and let people fend for themselves. There is nothing wrong with being poor.

Karl Marx would agree. No more using cake crumbs to stave off the revolution!

 

[ProBowler88]

sometimes I wish I didn't care so much about politics

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I don't get why the government has to borrow money to pay benefits. Just cut the credit card and let people fend for themselves. There is nothing wrong with being poor.

Karl Marx would agree. No more using cake crumbs to stave off the revolution!

There is a shocking lack of craftsmanship at all levels. And it most apparent with the pathethic show put on by the bozos in Washington.

 

[jon_mx]

Obama's position is strengthening day by day. I'm not sure he's going to give any concessions to the republicans.

I'm not saying he should make any significant changes to Obamacare. But on the other hand, if something minor like removing the device tax will end this, he should do it.

Yes, if he stays firm, the Republicans will probably surrender anyhow. But is forcing the Republican leadership to lose face really good for America? I don't think it is. I think that if Boehner has to give in gaining nothing, there may be a civil war within the GOP, and I'm not confident that the Tea Party types won't win that. I think Boehner needs to be strengthened.

No, the Dems should not give anything. They shouldn't let the Republicans save any face. They should not reinforce the current behavior in any way.

Yes, because making Republicans look bad is the only important thing going on here.

 

[dparker713]

Obama's position is strengthening day by day. I'm not sure he's going to give any concessions to the republicans.

I'm not saying he should make any significant changes to Obamacare. But on the other hand, if something minor like removing the device tax will end this, he should do it.

Yes, if he stays firm, the Republicans will probably surrender anyhow. But is forcing the Republican leadership to lose face really good for America? I don't think it is. I think that if Boehner has to give in gaining nothing, there may be a civil war within the GOP, and I'm not confident that the Tea Party types won't win that. I think Boehner needs to be strengthened.

No, the Dems should not give anything. They shouldn't let the Republicans save any face. They should not reinforce the current behavior in any way.

Yes, because making Republicans look bad is the only important thing going on here.

This has nothing to do with making them look bad and everything to do with not rewarding the current Republican bargaining tactics. Allowing such tactics to work is a much bigger threat than anything in the ACA.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Obama's position is strengthening day by day. I'm not sure he's going to give any concessions to the republicans.

I'm not saying he should make any significant changes to Obamacare. But on the other hand, if something minor like removing the device tax will end this, he should do it.

Yes, if he stays firm, the Republicans will probably surrender anyhow. But is forcing the Republican leadership to lose face really good for America? I don't think it is. I think that if Boehner has to give in gaining nothing, there may be a civil war within the GOP, and I'm not confident that the Tea Party types won't win that. I think Boehner needs to be strengthened.

No, the Dems should not give anything. They shouldn't let the Republicans save any face. They should not reinforce the current behavior in any way.

Yes, because making Republicans look bad is the only important thing going on here.

This has nothing to do with making them look bad and everything to do with no rewarding the current Republican bargaining tactics. Allowing such tactics to work is a much bigger threat than anything in the ACA.

B.I.N.G.O.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Obama's position is strengthening day by day. I'm not sure he's going to give any concessions to the republicans.

I'm not saying he should make any significant changes to Obamacare. But on the other hand, if something minor like removing the device tax will end this, he should do it.

Yes, if he stays firm, the Republicans will probably surrender anyhow. But is forcing the Republican leadership to lose face really good for America? I don't think it is. I think that if Boehner has to give in gaining nothing, there may be a civil war within the GOP, and I'm not confident that the Tea Party types won't win that. I think Boehner needs to be strengthened.

No, the Dems should not give anything. They shouldn't let the Republicans save any face. They should not reinforce the current behavior in any way.

Yes, because making Republicans look bad is the only important thing going on here.

This has nothing to do with making them look bad and everything to do with no rewarding the current Republican bargaining tactics. Allowing such tactics to work is a much bigger threat than anything in the ACA.

B.I.N.G.O.

I agree and I am a republican, if the dem's cave it is the worst thing ever. I will not vote for and republican with them supporting this crap.

Edit, the lost the white house for at least a decade because of this

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Exposure

Fox News poll has found disapproval of the Republican Party jumping to 59% in their latest poll.

According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%.

heh:

Obama falls to 41% approval in latest Gallup

The Fox News poll found Obama’s approval rating jumped five points from early September among voters, 40 to 45 percent, with his ratings on handling health care up seven points over the same period.

 

[timschochet]

Obama's position is strengthening day by day. I'm not sure he's going to give any concessions to the republicans.

I'm not saying he should make any significant changes to Obamacare. But on the other hand, if something minor like removing the device tax will end this, he should do it.

Yes, if he stays firm, the Republicans will probably surrender anyhow. But is forcing the Republican leadership to lose face really good for America? I don't think it is. I think that if Boehner has to give in gaining nothing, there may be a civil war within the GOP, and I'm not confident that the Tea Party types won't win that. I think Boehner needs to be strengthened.

No, the Dems should not give anything. They shouldn't let the Republicans save any face. They should not reinforce the current behavior in any way.

Yes, because making Republicans look bad is the only important thing going on here.

This has nothing to do with making them look bad and everything to do with no rewarding the current Republican bargaining tactics. Allowing such tactics to work is a much bigger threat than anything in the ACA.

B.I.N.G.O.

I get this. I do. But unfortunately the Republicans have gone out on this stupid limb. They need to be helped down somehow. What you're arguing is indeed an important principle, but I'm not sure it's worth the destruction of the GOP. There has got to be another way out of this.

 

[Insomniac]

Random question... do proponents of ACA feel that it will be different or similar to the results Massachusetts has had with "RomneyCare"?

If different, how and why?

If same, do you feel Romneycare is a success?

Thanks. Honest question.

I only know one person who is on RomneyCare. He is a great guy but in the last 10 years became an extreme right wingnut. His employer doesn't offer health insurance. In his rants against socialism he doesn't associate his coverage with the government. Due to pre-existing conditions he would not be able to get health insurance in the private market in other states. I can't recall anyone else complaining about it, but everyone else I know gets employer based coverage. (or is uninsured)

I believe that health insurance is more expensive in the Northeast but that was true prior to RomneyCare too. I also have the impression quality of care is better than in other areas of the country.

 

[jamny]

I'm embarrassed by my Republican party in all of this but also disappointed by the response from the left, especially from our President. I'm not seeing any winners, or leaders, in this. It's just a continuation of this negative spiral we've been in.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm embarrassed by my Republican party in all of this but also disappointed by the response from the left, especially from our President. I'm not seeing any winners, or leaders, in this. It's just a continuation of this negative spiral we've been in.

Agreed.

Washington DC =

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Wow, just saw the Rep Neugebauer chewing out the Parks employee.

Classy.

 

[timschochet]

Wow, just saw the Rep Neugebauer chewing out the Parks employee.

Classy.

Damn, what an embarrassment.

 

[Daywalker]

Wow, just saw the Rep Neugebauer chewing out the Parks employee.

Classy.

Damn, what an embarrassment.

Stunning that the Rep. even went there.

 

[Daywalker]

I'd like to see the democratic fundraising numbers this past week and going forward.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I'd like to see the democratic fundraising numbers this past week and going forward.

Sorry, you can't. Federal Election Commission is shut down right now. Come back later.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Boehner ad to be run Sunday during football.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Rep. Lee Terry (R-Neb.) said this week that there is no way he's giving up his salary during the government shutdown.

"Whatever gets them good press," Terry said of members giving up their salary. "That's all that it's going to be. God bless them. But you know what? I've got a nice house and a kid in college, and I'll tell you we cannot handle it. Giving our paycheck away when you still worked and earned it? That's just not going to fly."

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Terry voted to strip Obamacare from the continuing resolution, knowing the Senate would reject it and knowing that his action would help shut down the government, yet claimed he tried to "keep government open." His doublespeak lie can be seen directly from the source's taxpayer-funded website. A giddy, exuberant Lee Terry exited the closed-door Republican meeting Saturday, 9/28/2013, in which GOP representatives decided to vote for a government shutdown.

 

[parasaurolophus]

If giving in on the medical device tax would end this, then democrats obviously don't give a crap about the american people either.

Bunch of morons in washington.

 

[Dr Oadi]

If giving in on the medical device tax would end this, then democrats obviously don't give a crap about the american people either.

Bunch of morons in washington.

The democrats will not negotiate ( or pass seperate spending bills to help children with cancer, keep the WWII memorial unbarrycaded ect ect ) with the hostage taking republicans because they love America!

 

[matttyl]

I'll stick with mine.

ETA:

They’ll visit expensive hospitals unnecessarily, simply because they don’t have any financial reason to consume services more responsibly.

And what's stopping that when you'll yet again have guaranteed issue and no pre-ex?! If you are going to get a heart surgery done, or a back surgery, or a hip replacement - do you really want to go to the cheapest place to have that done?! And why would you when you now have guaranteed issue insurance that will have to cover anything and everything you have? Nah, forget my local guy, I'll go to the Cleveland Clinic for my heart surgery, the Mayo Clinic for my back surgery, or New York's hospital for Special surgery for my shoulder surgery. Those are extremes, I know, but you get the idea.

 

[TPW]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/04/catholic-priests-in-military-face-arrest-for-celebrating-mass/

Broglio said some military bases have forbidden the contract priests from volunteering to celebrate Mass without pay.

“They were told they cannot function because those are contracted services and since there’s no funding they can’t do it – even if they volunteer,” he said.

John Schlageter, general counsel for the archdiocese, said any furloughed priests volunteering their services could face big trouble.

“During the shutdown, it is illegal for them to minister on base and they risk being arrested if they attempt to do so,” he said in a written statement.

Land of the free? Home of the brave?

 

[Mister Martie]

 

[Dr Oadi]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/04/catholic-priests-in-military-face-arrest-for-celebrating-mass/

Broglio said some military bases have forbidden the contract priests from volunteering to celebrate Mass without pay.

“They were told they cannot function because those are contracted services and since there’s no funding they can’t do it – even if they volunteer,” he said.

John Schlageter, general counsel for the archdiocese, said any furloughed priests volunteering their services could face big trouble.

“During the shutdown, it is illegal for them to minister on base and they risk being arrested if they attempt to do so,” he said in a written statement.

Land of the free? Home of the brave?

It is great how some are going out of their way to make this as hard on people as they can. http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/04/park-service-ranger-weve-been-told-to-make-life-as-difficult-for-people-as-we-can-its-disgusting/

 

[KCitons]

There is going to be a vote today to decide if furloughed workers will receive back pay. It is expected to pass. So basically, this is a paid vacation for Federal workers. Even if they don't have money in savings, buying necessities with a credit card would allow someone to manage through this shutdown.

Just another benefit of a government job.

 

[The Commish]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

So your trainer is either going to have to get health insurance or he'll be force to contribute to the insurance society is already paying for him that he is currently shirking on.

How is this bad for a lot of Americans again?

See...this is some of the utter bull#### that the left spews....yeah it's just one side that does this crap. How the hell do you know he doesn't pay his bills out of pocket??

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think Obama should go public that he'll veto any continuing resolution coming out of Congress unless it includes a national background check for gun purchases.

Then when Congress refuses to consider that bill go on national TV from the Oval Office and explain how Congress 'isn't willing to negotiate'.

See how this works?

 

[cstu]

“Dealing with terrorists has taught us some things,” said Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday’s GOP bills. “You can’t deal with ’em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare—affordable health care—in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can’t figure out how to admit it.” Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn’t? “You can’t say, OK, you get half of Obamacare—this isn’t a Solomonic decision,” McDermott said. “So we sit here until they figure out they ####in’ lost.”

If Republicans truly think Americans don't want the ACA then they should overturn it the right way - by winning elections.

 

[greenroom]

If giving in on the medical device tax would end this, then democrats obviously don't give a crap about the american people either.

Bunch of morons in washington.

Do you reward your children when they are acting up? I am far from a great parent, but I know when my kids are acting crazy, I dont reward their behavior, however afterwards we do discuss and at that point I typically will reward them if they understand what they were doing was wrong.

And that is what President Obama is asking for. Lets get the Govt back open then we can try to work things out, but while you are holding up the Government with this "slimdown" then you should not be rewarded for not working for the American Public

 

[cstu]

If giving in on the medical device tax would end this, then democrats obviously don't give a crap about the american people either.

Bunch of morons in washington.

The medical device tax is a major part of the funding of the ACA. Republicans want it gone because they could then claim the ACA is an entitlement program they need to get rid of.

 

[Courtjester]

The Republicans blew this plain and simple They are playing checkers when they should be playing chess. They could have been having a field day with all the ACA sign up problems--the low number of actual applicants and just the absolute failure of this program that is coming. The could have really used this as ammo for the 2014 elections and beyond. Instead they are

Obama can sit back and let things tank and it really doesn't matter. Bad jobs report 2 months from now--"Oh the GOP caused this by the shut down"

Economy not growing 10 months from now--"Oh that shut down just derailed us."

Heck the Dems still blame Bush and that was 6 years ago. This just gave them a get out of jail card free for at least the next year..

 

[TPW]

If giving in on the medical device tax would end this, then democrats obviously don't give a crap about the american people either.

Bunch of morons in washington.

Do you reward your children when they are acting up? I am far from a great parent, but I know when my kids are acting crazy, I dont reward their behavior, however afterwards we do discuss and at that point I typically will reward them if they understand what they were doing was wrong.

And that is what President Obama is asking for. Lets get the Govt back open then we can try to work things out, but while you are holding up the Government with this "slimdown" then you should not be rewarded for not working for the American Public

It's President Obama who was raised in a broken, dysfunctional home who was and remains to this day a willful, petulant child.

Obamacare was rammed through Congress on a strictly partisan vote using every legislative trick in the book. Who was it that said. "I won"? And you guys have the nerve to call the opposition "children"?

 

[cstu]

If giving in on the medical device tax would end this, then democrats obviously don't give a crap about the american people either.

Bunch of morons in washington.

The democrats will not negotiate ( or pass seperate spending bills to help children with cancer, keep the WWII memorial unbarrycaded ect ect ) with the hostage taking republicans because they love America!

That's not how the government works. You aren't allowed to pick and choose which government services you think should be open. It's stupid to think the Republicans are doing the right thing proposing that.

 

[cstu]

I'm pretty sure he agrees with you.

Oops, I misread it.

 

[Slapdash]

There is going to be a vote today to decide if furloughed workers will receive back pay. It is expected to pass. So basically, this is a paid vacation for Federal workers. Even if they don't have money in savings, buying necessities with a credit card would allow someone to manage through this shutdown.

Just another benefit of a government job.

You want people to go into credit card debt because their politicians are sore losers? #### you.

 

[timschochet]

Republican House Speaker John Boehner tried on Friday to squelch reports that he would ease the way to a debt ceiling increase, stressing that Republicans would continue to insist on budget cuts as a condition of raising the borrowing authority.

Well, that's just ####### awesome, Boehner. There is NO way that Obama is going to agree to any budget cuts over the debt ceiling. He can't.

Why do the Republicans insist in painting themselves into a corner in which they're going to have to surrender?

 

[timschochet]

If giving in on the medical device tax would end this, then democrats obviously don't give a crap about the american people either.

Bunch of morons in washington.

How about this? Republicans agree to vote on the CR now, and raise the debt ceiling, in exchange for a conference between the two sides to discuss all issues, including the medical device tax. Obama and the Dems have already offered publicly to do this.

 

[Warrior]

There is going to be a vote today to decide if furloughed workers will receive back pay. It is expected to pass. So basically, this is a paid vacation for Federal workers. Even if they don't have money in savings, buying necessities with a credit card would allow someone to manage through this shutdown.

Just another benefit of a government job.

You want people to go into credit card debt because their politicians are sore losers? #### you.

Get over yourself

 

[Warrior]

If giving in on the medical device tax would end this, then democrats obviously don't give a crap about the american people either.

Bunch of morons in washington.

How about this? Republicans agree to vote on the CR now, and raise the debt ceiling, in exchange for a conference between the two sides to discuss all issues, including the medical device tax. Obama and the Dems have already offered publicly to do this.

Delusional.