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I'd say. Making exceptions for your cronies and buddies but not the rest of the American people proves it.Democrats love Obamacare more than they do America.Is that where we're at now? We're un-American and hate this country?
I am apolitical but hyperbole and hypocrisy needs to be called out.
There you go - make it SOUND like you care for the American people while also supporting screwing them at the same time.
This is one of the key differences in the debate, fiscal conservatives don't see healthcare as a right, but something you should provide for yourself if you want it. To be fair, far more than just the rich have healthcare under the old system. I disagree with the ACA but also disagree with what the House is doing tonight. Although I'll be much more alarmed if this nonsense takes place on the debt ceiling.
I assume the NSA's data parsing, social media linkage, etc. along with the black helicopters domestic drones are not impacted by the shutdown. Thanks!
This has been a Republican talking point all day long. In fact, it's extremely different. Each of those shutdowns was over some procedural measure, if I recall correctly. Not one of them lasted over 2 days. Not one of them was tied to changing major legislation.MaxThreshold said:
To anyone that thinks this is a new development: Who's being naïve Kay?Bottomfeeder Sports said:
The local right wing radio host I heard today responded to the "inconvenience" of the financial impact for these government employees with "these are all 'non essential employees' so they shouldn't exist anyway". I didn't hear anyone disagree with this, though admittedly I was only in the car for about 20 minutes.Premier said:
Isn't the entire point of this potential shutdown to try and eliminate the consequences of the votes that passed Obamacare?
You're going to have to explain this one. Seeing as the President ran largely on his record of having passed the ACA as did many of the Democrats on the ticket in 2012. They won. Plus, the ACA case was upheld by a majority republican SCOTUS. How can you think voting has consequences if the Republicans are going to shut down the government over an issue they've already lost?
Agreed. I'm all for healthy debate but the GOP lost. Finding new ways to vote on old issues is juvenile
This thread might not be, but she'll certainly be the last thing on my mind this evening.
Easy retort: That's cause they're more reasonable than the House.Gotta love the "you'll negotiate with Iran but you won't negotiate with the House?" Talking point
GB the staffer that thought that one up
Another easy retort: it's the House that won't negotiate, not the Democrats. The wingnuts created this whole situation, and now they're doing their usual routine of hostage-taking until they get their way. The Iran analogy is actually pretty apt for a couple of reasons.Easy retort: That's cause they're more reasonable than the House.Gotta love the "you'll negotiate with Iran but you won't negotiate with the House?" Talking point
GB the staffer that thought that one up
I think I now understand why Tim starts so many threads. He wants to be able to edit the thread titles by fiat. Why do you hate democracy Tim?
When I lived in Italy I used to make fun of the Italians for all their dysfunctional governments and chaos. We are trending in that direction, this elected government is horrendous. At least Congress is still getting paid, they're doing a terrific job for the American people.
Shameful. Why didn't this Health reform debate take place a month ago?
