The Tea Party is back in business! (2 Viewers)

[dparker713]

http://www.newsmagazinenetwork.com/2013100940991/thomas-sowell-who-shut-down-the-government/

Seriously, how do you people find this crap? News magazine network? He's a tip, just because someone bought a domain and posted something doesn't transform the content from drivel to gold.

Here's the link to Sowell's article on Real Clear Politics.

Doesn't matter where it's from, if it doesn't agree with his agenda, he's going to ignore and/or deflect...

How about you go back and read this thread and see if anything in the op-ed you posted was new or informative? Or maybe just not a line of reasoning that had already been discussed ad-nauseam.

How about you don't go on as if none of that was true rather than trying to dismiss these fact only because they have already been brought up..

Again, you have issues with "fact" and "true"

 

[dparker713]

Scoresman and dparker713 are the same poster, right?

Never have had an alias, never will.

 

[Scoresman]

Another poll that's brutal to the GOP:

http://gqrr.com/articles/2013/10/11...y-damaging-gop/

A just-completed national survey from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research confirms that the voting public is fed up with just about everyone in Washington, but Republicans are clearly bearing much more of their anger and it damaging their prospects for 2014.

By a 16-point margin, 43 to 27 percent, voters blame the Republican in Congress, rather than President Obama and the Democrats, for the government shutdown.

The shutdown had left an already damaged GOP brand in tatters and the party’s electoral prospects wounded. The party now has a 2:1 unfavorable to favorable rating, 26 percent favorable vs. 52 percent unfavorable (for a net -26 rating). Among independents their rating is -35. Democrats don’t fare great either, but with a net -5 rating (39 percent favorable vs. 44 percent unfavorable), they do much better. Perhaps most important, on the generic ballot, Democrats now lead by double digits, 46 to 36 percent.

That's the third generic ballot showing the Republicans would lose their majority if the election was today, I think.

Since you're so interested in polls, why don't you post that poll where most of America disagrees with obamacare..

Another poll that's brutal to the GOP:

http://gqrr.com/articles/2013/10/11...y-damaging-gop/

A just-completed national survey from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research confirms that the voting public is fed up with just about everyone in Washington, but Republicans are clearly bearing much more of their anger and it damaging their prospects for 2014.

By a 16-point margin, 43 to 27 percent, voters blame the Republican in Congress, rather than President Obama and the Democrats, for the government shutdown.

The shutdown had left an already damaged GOP brand in tatters and the party’s electoral prospects wounded. The party now has a 2:1 unfavorable to favorable rating, 26 percent favorable vs. 52 percent unfavorable (for a net -26 rating). Among independents their rating is -35. Democrats don’t fare great either, but with a net -5 rating (39 percent favorable vs. 44 percent unfavorable), they do much better. Perhaps most important, on the generic ballot, Democrats now lead by double digits, 46 to 36 percent.

That's the third generic ballot showing the Republicans would lose their majority if the election was today, I think.

Since you're so interested in polls, why don't you post that poll where most of America disagrees with obamacare..

You mean the multiple polls that have already been posted showing how its gaining in popularity?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Another poll that's brutal to the GOP:

http://gqrr.com/articles/2013/10/11...y-damaging-gop/

A just-completed national survey from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research confirms that the voting public is fed up with just about everyone in Washington, but Republicans are clearly bearing much more of their anger and it damaging their prospects for 2014.

By a 16-point margin, 43 to 27 percent, voters blame the Republican in Congress, rather than President Obama and the Democrats, for the government shutdown.

The shutdown had left an already damaged GOP brand in tatters and the party’s electoral prospects wounded. The party now has a 2:1 unfavorable to favorable rating, 26 percent favorable vs. 52 percent unfavorable (for a net -26 rating). Among independents their rating is -35. Democrats don’t fare great either, but with a net -5 rating (39 percent favorable vs. 44 percent unfavorable), they do much better. Perhaps most important, on the generic ballot, Democrats now lead by double digits, 46 to 36 percent.

That's the third generic ballot showing the Republicans would lose their majority if the election was today, I think.

Since you're so interested in polls, why don't you post that poll where most of America disagrees with obamacare..

Another poll that's brutal to the GOP:

http://gqrr.com/articles/2013/10/11...y-damaging-gop/

A just-completed national survey from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research confirms that the voting public is fed up with just about everyone in Washington, but Republicans are clearly bearing much more of their anger and it damaging their prospects for 2014.

By a 16-point margin, 43 to 27 percent, voters blame the Republican in Congress, rather than President Obama and the Democrats, for the government shutdown.

The shutdown had left an already damaged GOP brand in tatters and the party’s electoral prospects wounded. The party now has a 2:1 unfavorable to favorable rating, 26 percent favorable vs. 52 percent unfavorable (for a net -26 rating). Among independents their rating is -35. Democrats don’t fare great either, but with a net -5 rating (39 percent favorable vs. 44 percent unfavorable), they do much better. Perhaps most important, on the generic ballot, Democrats now lead by double digits, 46 to 36 percent.

That's the third generic ballot showing the Republicans would lose their majority if the election was today, I think.

Since you're so interested in polls, why don't you post that poll where most of America disagrees with obamacare..

You mean the multiple polls that have already been posted showing how its gaining in popularity?

The current polls that show most of America doesn't want it..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

http://www.newsmagazinenetwork.com/2013100940991/thomas-sowell-who-shut-down-the-government/

Seriously, how do you people find this crap? News magazine network? He's a tip, just because someone bought a domain and posted something doesn't transform the content from drivel to gold.

Here's the link to Sowell's article on Real Clear Politics.

Doesn't matter where it's from, if it doesn't agree with his agenda, he's going to ignore and/or deflect...

How about you go back and read this thread and see if anything in the op-ed you posted was new or informative? Or maybe just not a line of reasoning that had already been discussed ad-nauseam.

How about you don't go on as if none of that was true rather than trying to dismiss these fact only because they have already been brought up..

Again, you have issues with "fact" and "true"

Points in the article that are not true? How about we start there?

 

[Gr00vus]

http://www.newsmagazinenetwork.com/2013100940991/thomas-sowell-who-shut-down-the-government/

Seriously, how do you people find this crap? News magazine network? He's a tip, just because someone bought a domain and posted something doesn't transform the content from drivel to gold.

Here's the link to Sowell's article on Real Clear Politics.

Doesn't matter where it's from, if it doesn't agree with his agenda, he's going to ignore and/or deflect...

How about you go back and read this thread and see if anything in the op-ed you posted was new or informative? Or maybe just not a line of reasoning that had already been discussed ad-nauseam.

How about you don't go on as if none of that was true rather than trying to dismiss these facts, with your only excuse being "because they have already been brought up"..

The next fact you post will be the first fact you've posted so far. Also, try and have some actual supporting data for your goofy statements - assuming you actually want people to take you seriously.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The whole argument breaks down when someone says Congress should not just vote on the ACA funding yea or nay. The House has, let the Senate. Some people are acting like a three year old with a toy, grasping at it, not letting it go. This is serious business.

 

[jamny]

http://www.newsmagazinenetwork.com/2013100940991/thomas-sowell-who-shut-down-the-government/

Seriously, how do you people find this crap? News magazine network? He's a tip, just because someone bought a domain and posted something doesn't transform the content from drivel to gold.

Here's the link to Sowell's article on Real Clear Politics.

Oh ok, now it's valid.

Not the point. It wasn't my assertion in the first place that the caliber of site somehow is important when you're merely reading a syndicated column. I'm not saying I agree with the article's content. I'm simply pointing out that particular article isn't some obscure article written by some nobody as intimated. The article was penned by a noteworthy author and has appeared on numerous reputable sites, not jut News Magazine Network.

I'm agreeing with you. As if it mattered who posted the Sowell comments.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Ut oh. Tim about to get out-timmed by CH.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

http://www.newsmagazinenetwork.com/2013100940991/thomas-sowell-who-shut-down-the-government/

Seriously, how do you people find this crap? News magazine network? He's a tip, just because someone bought a domain and posted something doesn't transform the content from drivel to gold.

Here's the link to Sowell's article on Real Clear Politics.

Doesn't matter where it's from, if it doesn't agree with his agenda, he's going to ignore and/or deflect...

How about you go back and read this thread and see if anything in the op-ed you posted was new or informative? Or maybe just not a line of reasoning that had already been discussed ad-nauseam.

How about you don't go on as if none of that was true rather than trying to dismiss these facts, with your only excuse being "because they have already been brought up"..

The next fact you post will be the first fact you've posted so far. Also, try and have some actual supporting data for your goofy statements - assuming you actually want people to take you seriously.

What supporting data do we need when we are talking about widely accepted facts?

Carolina Hustlers "first fact so far": The house has passed several proposals on to the Senate.. Proposals that would stop the shut down.. Senate and White-house refuse..

Lets start there..

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The whole argument breaks down when someone says Congress should not just vote on the ACA funding yea or nay. The House has, let the Senate. Some people are acting like a three year old with a toy, grasping at it, not letting it go. This is serious business.

The Senate already voted to fund ACA.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The whole argument breaks down when someone says Congress should not just vote on the ACA funding yea or nay. The House has, let the Senate. Some people are acting like a three year old with a toy, grasping at it, not letting it go. This is serious business.

The Senate already voted to fund ACA.

Spending changes yearly.. Senate once voted to fund a war in Vietnam, yet we aren't still sending troops to Vietnam..

 

[Scoresman]

Ut oh. Tim about to get out-timmed by CH.

tim is a Rhodes scholar in comparison.

 

[Mister Martie]

The whole argument breaks down when someone says Congress should not just vote on the ACA funding yea or nay. The House has, let the Senate. Some people are acting like a three year old with a toy, grasping at it, not letting it go. This is serious business.

The Senate already voted to fund ACA.

Spending changes yearly.. Senate once voted to fund a war in Vietnam, yet we aren't still sending troops to Vietnam..

Check and mate, mother####er.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Ut oh. Tim about to get out-timmed by CH.

tim is a Rhodes scholar in comparison.

Until he disagrees with your agenda right?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Jesus Christ. You are to intelligent discussion what black holes are to light.

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

 

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[Carolina Hustler]

Jesus Christ. You are to intelligent discussion what black holes are to light.

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

And Congress controls all budget changes? And spending changes? Since when? ... Since the first Congress..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm15/penchef1/illusion.jpg

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Jesus Christ. You are to intelligent discussion what black holes are to light.

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

And Congress controls all budget changes? And spending changes? Since when? ... Since the first Congress..

Pay attention now, CH. If you read slowly and keep a dictionary handy you can learn something here.

The House and the Senate often pass different budgets and there are frequently disagreements about how to reconcile those. Most of the time those differences are resolved in conference -- both sides appoint negotiators to find the middle ground.

However, Republicans refused to appoint negotiators and instead said that they would shut down the government and breach the debt limit unless the Senate adopted their budget.

You can support this sort of thing if you like -- you're a Tea Party Republican through and through even if you won't admit it. But none of what you're posting to try and weasel around admitting that makes any sense at all.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Jesus Christ. You are to intelligent discussion what black holes are to light.

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

And Congress controls all budget changes? And spending changes? Since when? ... Since the first Congress..

Pay attention now, CH. If you read slowly and keep a dictionary handy you can learn something here.

The House and the Senate often pass different budgets and there are frequently disagreements about how to reconcile those. Most of the time those differences are resolved in conference -- both sides appoint negotiators to find the middle ground.

However, Republicans refused to appoint negotiators and instead said that they would shut down the government and breach the debt limit unless the Senate adopted their budget.

You can support this sort of thing if you like -- you're a Tea Party Republican through and through even if you won't admit it. But none of what you're posting to try and weasel around admitting that makes any sense at all.

 

[msommer]

If I build a road to candyland, but it goes through hell to get there, is it still a good thing?

I've never been to either of those places, but I would have never guessed they were that close to each other.

You kidding? Ever been to the dentist?

 

[jamny]

Jesus Christ. You are to intelligent discussion what black holes are to light.

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

And Congress controls all budget changes? And spending changes? Since when? ... Since the first Congress..

Pay attention now, CH. If you read slowly and keep a dictionary handy you can learn something here.

The House and the Senate often pass different budgets and there are frequently disagreements about how to reconcile those. Most of the time those differences are resolved in conference -- both sides appoint negotiators to find the middle ground.

However, Republicans refused to appoint negotiators and instead said that they would shut down the government and breach the debt limit unless the Senate adopted their budget.

You can support this sort of thing if you like -- you're a Tea Party Republican through and through even if you won't admit it. But none of what you're posting to try and weasel around admitting that makes any sense at all.

Let's not forget that the House sent multiple budgets to the Senate that were ignored long before this. Where was the discussion then?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

...

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

Wait, we already have a 2014 budget?

What is everyone fighting about then?

 

[jamny]

...

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

Wait, we already have a 2014 budget?

What is everyone fighting about then?

They passed a budget that barely passed the Senate (by 1 vote) just so they didn't have to hear about not passing a budget for 4 years. House Repubs ignored it just like the Senate ignored the ones from the House. And people wonder why others blame both sides.

 

[Schlzm]

...

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

Wait, we already have a 2014 budget?

What is everyone fighting about then?

They passed a budget that barely passed the Senate (by 1 vote) just so they didn't have to hear about not passing a budget for 4 years. House Repubs ignored it just like the Senate ignored the ones from the House. And people wonder why others blame both sides.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Jesus Christ. You are to intelligent discussion what black holes are to light.

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

And Congress controls all budget changes? And spending changes? Since when? ... Since the first Congress..

Pay attention now, CH. If you read slowly and keep a dictionary handy you can learn something here.

The House and the Senate often pass different budgets and there are frequently disagreements about how to reconcile those. Most of the time those differences are resolved in conference -- both sides appoint negotiators to find the middle ground.

However, Republicans refused to appoint negotiators and instead said that they would shut down the government and breach the debt limit unless the Senate adopted their budget.

You can support this sort of thing if you like -- you're a Tea Party Republican through and through even if you won't admit it. But none of what you're posting to try and weasel around admitting that makes any sense at all.

The house republicans have offered to negotiate, the president himself said he would veto any bill that didn't fully fund Obamacaree with no dely..

Nice try though

 

[Carolina Hustler]

...

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

Wait, we already have a 2014 budget?

What is everyone fighting about then?

They passed a budget that barely passed the Senate (by 1 vote) just so they didn't have to hear about not passing a budget for 4 years. House Repubs ignored it just like the Senate ignored the ones from the House. And people wonder why others blame both sides.

 

[snogger]

Another poll that's brutal to the GOP:

http://gqrr.com/articles/2013/10/11...y-damaging-gop/

A just-completed national survey from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research confirms that the voting public is fed up with just about everyone in Washington, but Republicans are clearly bearing much more of their anger and it damaging their prospects for 2014.

By a 16-point margin, 43 to 27 percent, voters blame the Republican in Congress, rather than President Obama and the Democrats, for the government shutdown.

The shutdown had left an already damaged GOP brand in tatters and the party’s electoral prospects wounded. The party now has a 2:1 unfavorable to favorable rating, 26 percent favorable vs. 52 percent unfavorable (for a net -26 rating). Among independents their rating is -35. Democrats don’t fare great either, but with a net -5 rating (39 percent favorable vs. 44 percent unfavorable), they do much better. Perhaps most important, on the generic ballot, Democrats now lead by double digits, 46 to 36 percent.

That's the third generic ballot showing the Republicans would lose their majority if the election was today, I think.

you really don't understand "National Polls" vs. how representatives are elected do you??

Seriously.. National Congressional Polls show so little approval you'd think there would be major turnover each and every election cycle....

Yet, here we are, year after year with basically the same makeup.. Why??

Because when asked what people think of Congress in general they say "THEY SUCK!!!"

When asked what they think of their representative they say "I them"..

 

[humpback]

I really hope it isn't most. The data will tell us what we need to know. I hope folks don't continue to get sucked into the spin zones.

Do you think the majority of voters are objective and keep an open mind about things? I certainly don't.

Hope is a pretty important word here. I'm confident that the politicians don't. That hope is all I have left. Problem is, now we see voters parroting the same things their politicians are and the politicians are saying "see, this is what my base wants". Certainly not looking good.

I suppose I "hope" it happens as well, but I think I have a better chance of hitting the lottery (and I don't play).

It's hard to hold out any hope when you read this board, see the results of polls, etc. The most important factor certainly seems to be the letter next to the name.

If you've read most of this thread and you still hold out any hope, you're a better man than I. What a disaster.

 

[Scoresman]

Another poll that's brutal to the GOP:

http://gqrr.com/articles/2013/10/11...y-damaging-gop/

A just-completed national survey from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research confirms that the voting public is fed up with just about everyone in Washington, but Republicans are clearly bearing much more of their anger and it damaging their prospects for 2014.

By a 16-point margin, 43 to 27 percent, voters blame the Republican in Congress, rather than President Obama and the Democrats, for the government shutdown.

The shutdown had left an already damaged GOP brand in tatters and the party’s electoral prospects wounded. The party now has a 2:1 unfavorable to favorable rating, 26 percent favorable vs. 52 percent unfavorable (for a net -26 rating). Among independents their rating is -35. Democrats don’t fare great either, but with a net -5 rating (39 percent favorable vs. 44 percent unfavorable), they do much better. Perhaps most important, on the generic ballot, Democrats now lead by double digits, 46 to 36 percent.

That's the third generic ballot showing the Republicans would lose their majority if the election was today, I think.

you really don't understand "National Polls" vs. how representatives are elected do you??

Seriously.. National Congressional Polls show so little approval you'd think there would be major turnover each and every election cycle....

Yet, here we are, year after year with basically the same makeup.. Why??

Because when asked what people think of Congress in general they say "THEY SUCK!!!"

When asked what they think of their representative they say "I them"..

Might want to actually look at the poll. They didn't just ask what people thought of Congress in general. They specifically ask Democrat vs. Republicans and Republicans are getting hammered in the polling. There is correlation between this type of polling and election results.

 

[RCon]

Wow, Scoresman and CH are the new Jim11 and Todd Andrews. Unreadable.

 

[Joe T]

This thread is dead.

 

[TheIronSheik]

"Only a little more than half hate us, as opposed to the 60% that hate you guys. Suck it, other guys! I guess we know who's right now."

 

[tom22406]

This thread is dead.

Not a chance in hell but I hope you're right.

Non stop

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

...

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

Wait, we already have a 2014 budget?

What is everyone fighting about then?

They passed a budget that barely passed the Senate (by 1 vote) just so they didn't have to hear about not passing a budget for 4 years. House Repubs ignored it just like the Senate ignored the ones from the House. And people wonder why others blame both sides.

That's what happens when Congress is divided. Both sides pass a budget and neither side gets everything it wants. The differences get hammered out by negotiators.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Wow, Scoresman and CH are the new Jim11 and Todd Andrews. Unreadable.

Scoresman represents the liberal perspective in general.. Which is ridiculous, so of course I will argue in opposition..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

"Only a little more than half hate us, as opposed to the 60% that hate you guys. Suck it, other guys! I guess we know who's right now."

 

[dparker713]

Wow, Scoresman and CH are the new Jim11 and Todd Andrews. Unreadable.

Scoresman represents the liberal perspective in general.. Which is ridiculous, so of course I will argue in opposition..

How very independent of you!

 

[jamny]

...

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

Wait, we already have a 2014 budget?

What is everyone fighting about then?

They passed a budget that barely passed the Senate (by 1 vote) just so they didn't have to hear about not passing a budget for 4 years. House Repubs ignored it just like the Senate ignored the ones from the House. And people wonder why others blame both sides.

That's what happens when Congress is divided. Both sides pass a budget and neither side gets everything it wants. The differences get hammered out by negotiators.

Neither side is even allowing it to get there. That's the point. Yes the Republicans, and specifically the Tea Party, are responsible for this actual shutdown, but they both contributed to getting us to that point. Had there been a budget, there wouldn't be a CR and there wouldn't be a shutdown at this very moment.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The turn this thread has taken in the past 5 pages reminds me of..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuMA3ouADzk

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

...

The Senate already voted to fund ACA for 2014. It's in the budget the Senate passed.

Wait, we already have a 2014 budget?

What is everyone fighting about then?

They passed a budget that barely passed the Senate (by 1 vote) just so they didn't have to hear about not passing a budget for 4 years. House Repubs ignored it just like the Senate ignored the ones from the House. And people wonder why others blame both sides.

That's what happens when Congress is divided. Both sides pass a budget and neither side gets everything it wants. The differences get hammered out by negotiators.

Neither side is even allowing it to get there. That's the point. Yes the Republicans, and specifically the Tea Party, are responsible for this actual shutdown, but they both contributed to getting us to that point. Had there been a budget, there wouldn't be a CR and there wouldn't be a shutdown at this very moment.

Sorry, I know I'm missing something.

Take the House bill and let it be voted on in the Senate - will it pass or fail?

 

[Schlzm]

Another poll that's brutal to the GOP:

http://gqrr.com/articles/2013/10/11...y-damaging-gop/

A just-completed national survey from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research confirms that the voting public is fed up with just about everyone in Washington, but Republicans are clearly bearing much more of their anger and it damaging their prospects for 2014.

By a 16-point margin, 43 to 27 percent, voters blame the Republican in Congress, rather than President Obama and the Democrats, for the government shutdown.

The shutdown had left an already damaged GOP brand in tatters and the party’s electoral prospects wounded. The party now has a 2:1 unfavorable to favorable rating, 26 percent favorable vs. 52 percent unfavorable (for a net -26 rating). Among independents their rating is -35. Democrats don’t fare great either, but with a net -5 rating (39 percent favorable vs. 44 percent unfavorable), they do much better. Perhaps most important, on the generic ballot, Democrats now lead by double digits, 46 to 36 percent.

That's the third generic ballot showing the Republicans would lose their majority if the election was today, I think.

you really don't understand "National Polls" vs. how representatives are elected do you??Seriously.. National Congressional Polls show so little approval you'd think there would be major turnover each and every election cycle....

Yet, here we are, year after year with basically the same makeup.. Why??

Because when asked what people think of Congress in general they say "THEY SUCK!!!"

When asked what they think of their representative they say "I them"..

Might want to actually look at the poll. They didn't just ask what people thought of Congress in general. They specifically ask Democrat vs. Republicans and Republicans are getting hammered in the polling. There is correlation between this type of polling and election results.

You might want to re-read his last sentance. Also I decided to take look at that company and holy crap you can't get much more partisan than that, so of course it's going to have skewed results. I was really hoping to find who/where their polling takes place but couldn't find anything. Schlzm

 

[Scoresman]

Wow, Scoresman and CH are the new Jim11 and Todd Andrews. Unreadable.

Scoresman represents the liberal perspective in general.. Which is ridiculous, so of course I will argue in opposition..

Dude, I'm a Libertarian.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Wow, Scoresman and CH are the new Jim11 and Todd Andrews. Unreadable.

Scoresman represents the liberal perspective in general.. Which is ridiculous, so of course I will argue in opposition..

How very independent of you!

Well thank you for noticing..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Wow, Scoresman and CH are the new Jim11 and Todd Andrews. Unreadable.

Scoresman represents the liberal perspective in general.. Which is ridiculous, so of course I will argue in opposition..

Dude, I'm a Libertarian.

Yea right... and I'm a librarian..

 

[TheIronSheik]

The turn this thread has taken in the past 5 pages reminds me of..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuMA3ouADzk

I feel like it's been pretty much the same arguing since the first page.

 

[Fennis]

Why am I not surprised that Carolina Hustler would join the "both sides are to blame" crowd?

Why do you act like your position is the 100% correct one?

As I've pointed out before, if almost all progressives and independents say that conservatives are to blame, but conservatives say both sides are to blame, that should be a good indication that conservatives are to blame.

And your perspective should be considered completely unbiased..

Conservatives blame the "progressives", not both sides.. You living in a hole?

I'm an independent, and I think progressives are more to blame than conservatives.. There goes your theory..

Who did you vote for in House, Senate, and governor in the last times those seats had an election?

 

[Scoresman]

Another poll that's brutal to the GOP:

http://gqrr.com/articles/2013/10/11...y-damaging-gop/

A just-completed national survey from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research confirms that the voting public is fed up with just about everyone in Washington, but Republicans are clearly bearing much more of their anger and it damaging their prospects for 2014.

By a 16-point margin, 43 to 27 percent, voters blame the Republican in Congress, rather than President Obama and the Democrats, for the government shutdown.

The shutdown had left an already damaged GOP brand in tatters and the party’s electoral prospects wounded. The party now has a 2:1 unfavorable to favorable rating, 26 percent favorable vs. 52 percent unfavorable (for a net -26 rating). Among independents their rating is -35. Democrats don’t fare great either, but with a net -5 rating (39 percent favorable vs. 44 percent unfavorable), they do much better. Perhaps most important, on the generic ballot, Democrats now lead by double digits, 46 to 36 percent.

That's the third generic ballot showing the Republicans would lose their majority if the election was today, I think.

you really don't understand "National Polls" vs. how representatives are elected do you??Seriously.. National Congressional Polls show so little approval you'd think there would be major turnover each and every election cycle....

Yet, here we are, year after year with basically the same makeup.. Why??

Because when asked what people think of Congress in general they say "THEY SUCK!!!"

When asked what they think of their representative they say "I them"..

Might want to actually look at the poll. They didn't just ask what people thought of Congress in general. They specifically ask Democrat vs. Republicans and Republicans are getting hammered in the polling. There is correlation between this type of polling and election results.

You might want to re-read his last sentance. Also I decided to take look at that company and holy crap you can't get much more partisan than that, so of course it's going to have skewed results. I was really hoping to find who/where their polling takes place but couldn't find anything.Schlzm

Show us a poll that shows the GOP getting generally favorable outlook as a result of this mess.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Wow, Scoresman and CH are the new Jim11 and Todd Andrews. Unreadable.

Scoresman represents the liberal perspective in general.. Which is ridiculous, so of course I will argue in opposition..

Dude, I'm a Libertarian.

Yea right... and I'm a librarian..