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Man, I completely agree with Nebraska at #8...but Texas got hosed here. I truly think they belong above (at a minimum) OSU and USC.
Let me ask another way - what would be the basis for moving Texas up over the others, including OSU and especially USC?I commented earlier that a good handful of Programs could make a case to be in the top two or three, but any in the top 8 are in the rarest of airs, and should be immensely proud
I am no Longhorn apologists...I find them almost as arrogant and distasteful as USC....but 835 wins against 314 losses has to count for something. USC = 766-303-54tOSU = 807-307-52UT = 835-314-33Granted, both USC and tOSU have produced more Heisman winners. USC has 10 (or 8 depending on how you count them) NCs to tOSUs 5 and UT's 4.You can't really use conference championships as a key because you aren't close to comparing apples to apples with the disparity in talent from conference to conference, decade to decade.Pro talent? Interesting fact - but we are talking about college football athletics, not pro ability. BIG difference.Mayeb its a gut feel. When I think football tradition and I am sorting these three out...and BTW these were the next 3 on my list I think UT, OSU then USC in that order. Maybe I am not giving football on the west coast enough credit - but when I think football I think Texas Stadium against OU, or OSU/Mich in the Horseshoe or the Big House. I don't think of USC beating the crap out of PAC-10 also rans.
 
Man, I completely agree with Nebraska at #8...but Texas got hosed here. I truly think they belong above (at a minimum) OSU and USC.
Let me ask another way - what would be the basis for moving Texas up over the others, including OSU and especially USC?I commented earlier that a good handful of Programs could make a case to be in the top two or three, but any in the top 8 are in the rarest of airs, and should be immensely proud
I am no Longhorn apologists...I find them almost as arrogant and distasteful as USC....but 835 wins against 314 losses has to count for something. USC = 766-303-54tOSU = 807-307-52UT = 835-314-33Granted, both USC and tOSU have produced more Heisman winners. USC has 10 (or 8 depending on how you count them) NCs to tOSUs 5 and UT's 4.You can't really use conference championships as a key because you aren't close to comparing apples to apples with the disparity in talent from conference to conference, decade to decade.Pro talent? Interesting fact - but we are talking about college football athletics, not pro ability. BIG difference.Mayeb its a gut feel. When I think football tradition and I am sorting these three out...and BTW these were the next 3 on my list I think UT, OSU then USC in that order. Maybe I am not giving football on the west coast enough credit - but when I think football I think Texas Stadium against OU, or OSU/Mich in the Horseshoe or the Big House. I don't think of USC beating the crap out of PAC-10 also rans.
The Pac 10 have three teams in the Top 25 all time in winning percentage, the traditional Big 10, only two.USC - Washington - ASU vs Michigan - Ohio StateIN fact, the Pac 10 has 4 in the top 34, compared to 2 in the Big 10.
 
Man, I completely agree with Nebraska at #8...but Texas got hosed here. I truly think they belong above (at a minimum) OSU and USC.
Let me ask another way - what would be the basis for moving Texas up over the others, including OSU and especially USC?I commented earlier that a good handful of Programs could make a case to be in the top two or three, but any in the top 8 are in the rarest of airs, and should be immensely proud
I am no Longhorn apologists...I find them almost as arrogant and distasteful as USC....but 835 wins against 314 losses has to count for something. USC = 766-303-54tOSU = 807-307-52UT = 835-314-33Granted, both USC and tOSU have produced more Heisman winners. USC has 10 (or 8 depending on how you count them) NCs to tOSUs 5 and UT's 4.You can't really use conference championships as a key because you aren't close to comparing apples to apples with the disparity in talent from conference to conference, decade to decade.Pro talent? Interesting fact - but we are talking about college football athletics, not pro ability. BIG difference.Mayeb its a gut feel. When I think football tradition and I am sorting these three out...and BTW these were the next 3 on my list I think UT, OSU then USC in that order. Maybe I am not giving football on the west coast enough credit - but when I think football I think Texas Stadium against OU, or OSU/Mich in the Horseshoe or the Big House. I don't think of USC beating the crap out of PAC-10 also rans.
The Pac 10 have three teams in the Top 25 all time in winning percentage, the traditional Big 10, only two.USC - Washington - ASU vs Michigan - Ohio StateIN fact, the Pac 10 has 4 in the top 34, compared to 2 in the Big 10.
Most of those ASU wins came in the WAC - and they should be taken out
 
The Pac 10 have three teams in the Top 25 all time in winning percentage, the traditional Big 10, only two.

USC - Washington - ASU vs Michigan - Ohio State

IN fact, the Pac 10 has 4 in the top 34, compared to 2 in the Big 10.
How is this statistic determined? Take ASU for example...they've no always been in the Pac-10. Do the games where they weren't in the Pac-10 count in this?ETA: ffldrew carrying this question :bag: sorry

EETA: How does your data differ from this

 
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The Pac 10 have three teams in the Top 25 all time in winning percentage, the traditional Big 10, only two.

USC - Washington - ASU vs Michigan - Ohio State

IN fact, the Pac 10 has 4 in the top 34, compared to 2 in the Big 10.
How is this statistic determined? Take ASU for example...they've no always been in the Pac-10. Do the games where they weren't in the Pac-10 count in this?ETA: ffldrew carrying this question :bag: sorry

EETA: How does your data differ from this
Sarah Palin writing your posts now?
 
The Pac 10 have three teams in the Top 25 all time in winning percentage, the traditional Big 10, only two.

USC - Washington - ASU vs Michigan - Ohio State

IN fact, the Pac 10 has 4 in the top 34, compared to 2 in the Big 10.
How is this statistic determined? Take ASU for example...they've no always been in the Pac-10. Do the games where they weren't in the Pac-10 count in this?ETA: ffldrew carrying this question :bag: sorry

EETA: How does your data differ from this
Sarah Palin writing your posts now?
:finger: I miss ONE "T" !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The Pac 10 have three teams in the Top 25 all time in winning percentage, the traditional Big 10, only two.

USC - Washington - ASU vs Michigan - Ohio State

IN fact, the Pac 10 has 4 in the top 34, compared to 2 in the Big 10.
How is this statistic determined? Take ASU for example...they've no always been in the Pac-10. Do the games where they weren't in the Pac-10 count in this?ETA: ffldrew carrying this question :bag: sorry

EETA: How does your data differ from this
Sarah Palin writing your posts now?
:finger: I miss ONE "T" !!!!!!!!!!!!
Should have had her check it for you.
 
One of the Great names in College Football, one of the great traditional atmospheres to watch a game................

#6 - THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES

Ohio State began playing organized collegiate football in 1890, and have amassed an 808-306-53 record, for a .715 winning percentage. The 808 wins qualify as the fifth most in history, and the Buckeyes are 4th in the nation in all time winning percentage.

Ohio State own a total of 35 Conference Championships - 2 in the Ohio Athletic, and the remaining 33 in the Big 10, spanning the years of 1916-2008. Only Michigan has more Big 10 Championships than the Buckeyes, and OSU has been gaining some ground in recent years.

Ohio State has played in 40 Bowl Games, going 18-22.

Ohio State officially claims National Championships in the following years.............................

1942 - Paul Brown Coached the Buckeyes to a 9-1 record

1954 - Woody Hayes leads OSU to a 10-0 mark and Rose Bowl win, claiming the AP Title.

1957 - Hayes and OSU go 9-1, and win the UPI vote over undefeated Auburn

1961 - OSU is 8-0-1, and named #1 by the Football Writers

1968 - For the 4th time, Hayes wins it all by seeing his team go 10-0

1970 - The Bucks go 9-1, and are selected by the National Football Foundation

2002 - Jim Tressel and OSU go 14-0 and beat Miami to become consensus Champions.

Jim Tressel with the Crystal Trophy

Woody Hayes Victory Ride

Ohio State has also been named by at leats one selector as National Champion in 7 other seasons, which they do not recognize.

The Buckeyes have been graced with a plethora of outstanding football players. Some names you may remember..................................

Art Schlichter, Terry Glenn, Vic Janowicz, "Hopalong" Cassidy, Les Horvath, Eddie George, Bill Willis, Archie Griffin, Paul Warfield, Chris Spielman, Gomer Jones, Jack Tatum, Mike Sensibaugh, Dan Wilkinson, Rex Kern, John Frank, Chris Carter, Tom Cousineau...........

So many great names, and so many not even mentioned.

Some Buckeye Coaching legends.............................

Paul Brown 1941 - 1943 18-8-1 .685

Wayne "Woody" Hayes 1951 - 1978 205-61-10 .761

Earl Bruce 1979 - 1987 81-26-1 .755

John Cooper 1988 - 2000 111-43-4 .715

Jim Tressel Current 83-19-0 .814

Ohio State has produced Heisman Trophy winners, ties with Notre Dame and USC for the most in the nation. Archie Griffin is the only two time winner, joined by Troy Smith, Vic Janowicz, Les Horvath, Eddie George, and Howard "Hopalong" Cassidy.

Archie on the loose

Archie plows through a Wolverine

Hopalong Cassidy

Some Buckey traditions, facts, and trivia...........................

The Scarlet and Gray

Ohio State’s official school colors since 1878, Scarlet and Gray were chosen by a group of three students in a lecture room in University Hall because “it was a pleasing combination...and had not been adopted by any other college,” noted selection committee member Alice Townshend Wing.

“The Best Damn Band in the Land”

is the 225-member, all-brass Ohio State Marching Band that formed in 1879 as a military band. Also known as “The Pride of the Buckeyes,” the band perhaps is best known for the incomparable Script Ohio. Another band tradition of note is the “skull session,” a warmup concert/pep rally in St. John Arena, open to the public before every home football game.

Hang on Sloopy“Hang On Sloopy,” a song performed by Ohioans, The McCoys, evolved into Ohio State’s game day anthem and eventually the state of Ohio’s official rock song. Buckeye fans heard it for the first time at the Oct. 9, 1965 OSU-Illinois game and it has rocked the stands ever since.

From Wikki..........................

Rivalries

While its rivalry with the University of Michigan is its most renowned and intense, Ohio State has two other series marked by their longevity, both Big Ten Conference rivals, those of Indiana and Illinois. The series versus Indiana began as a non-conference matchup, with Indiana going undefeated at 4-0-1. In conference, however, the Buckeyes (despite losing the opening conference game) are 65-8-4 through the 2006 season, the most wins against any opponent. Illinois also began with non-conference games (0-1-1) but became the longest continuous series in 2002 when the schools played in their 89th consecutive year. (That record was tied by Michigan in 2007.) Through 2008 Ohio State's record against the Illini is 61-30-4. In 2007, Ohio State was given their only defeat of the regular season by the Illini.

Penn State was added to the conference football play in 1993, every member was given two designated rivals, teams to be played every year, with the other conference teams rotated out of the schedule at regular intervals. For geographic convenience, the Big Ten named Penn State as Ohio State's new designated rival in addition to Michigan, and Illinois was set to be paired with in-state rival Northwestern and neighboring Indiana, and in doing so undermined Ohio State's historical rivalry with Illinois.

Michigan

The Michigan-Ohio State rivalry is the intense rivalry between the University of Michigan and The Ohio State University football teams. It has attracted particular national interest over the last four decades as most of the games have determined the Big Ten Conference title and the resulting Rose Bowl match ups, and many have influenced the outcome of the national collegiate football championship. The game was ranked by ESPN in 2000 as the greatest North American sports rivalry.[1]

The annual match up between the two Midwest state schools has been held at the end of the regular season since 1935 (with exceptions in 1942, 1986, and 1998). Since 1918, the game's site has alternated between Columbus, Ohio, and Ann Arbor, Michigan, and has been played in Ohio Stadium since 1922 and Michigan Stadium since 1927. Since 1935, Ohio State and Michigan have decided the Big Ten Conference championship between themselves on 23 different occasions, and have affected the determination of the conference title an additional 24 times. [2]

During 1835 and 1836, the State of Ohio and the Michigan Territory engaged in a brief and bloodless border dispute known as the Toledo War. Some have proposed that the football rivalry is a modern manifestation of this historical tension.[3]

The two teams have met a total of 105 times, with Michigan holding a 57-42-6 edge - but Ohio State is currently on a 5 game win streak, their longest in the series.

[edit] Buckeye football traditions

Ohio State football is rich in traditions, and Coach Tressel has since his hiring made upholding tradition a cornerstone of his program.[20] The following are football traditions in chronogical order of longevity:



Senior tackle Begun in 1913 by head coach John Wilce, seniors on the team are recognized at the last practice of the season, either before the Michigan game or before departing Columbus to play in a bowl game, and hit the blocking sled a final time.[21]

Gold pants

A gold miniature charm depicting a pair of football pants is given to all players and coaches following a victory over the Michigan Wolverines. The tradition began as the result of a comment to reporters by newly hired head coach Francis Schmidt on March 2, 1934: "How about Michigan? They put their pants on one leg at a time, the same as we do!" The first gold pants, which were a creation of Simon Lazarus (president of the Lazarus chain of department stores) and Herbert Levy,[22] were awarded that year for a 34-0 drubbing of the Wolverines.[23]

Captain's Breakfast

1934 also saw the first gathering of former team captains for breakfast on the Sunday following the Homecoming game. The event began when local businessman Walter Jeffrey invited twenty former captains to the Scioto Country Club to honor them, and continues to welcome new captains and award them mugs bearing their names and season.[21][24]



Buckeye Grove

Begun in 1934, each player who wins "first-team All-America" honors is recognized by the planting of a buckeye tree and installation of a plaque in Buckeye Grove, now located near the southwestern corner of Ohio Stadium next to Morrill Tower. Trees are planted in ceremonies held prior to the Spring Game. All 125 Buckeye All-Americans dating back to 1914 have been so honored.

Michigan Week

Since 1935 the annual game against Michigan has been the final meeting of the regular season for both teams. The week prior to "The Game", known as Michigan Week, is characterized by scheduled school spirit and public service events, such as rallies, touch football games, and blood drives;[25] and by massive displays of school colors and banners in much of Ohio. In an unofficial culmination to Michigan Week, since 1990 on the Thursday night before "The Game" students have participated in the "Mirror Lake jump", an unofficial gathering at Mirror Lake, a pond between Pomerene Hall and The Oval, in which masses of students jump into the water.[26]

Block O

Since 1938 the registered student organization Block O has been the "Official Cheering Section" of the Buckeyes. "Known for spreading spirit, starting cheers and performing card stunts, Block 'O' was founded...by Clancy Isaac

BLock O in a game in the south stands".[27] They occupy Section 39A in the South grandstand of Ohio Stadium, next to the band.[28][29]

Victory Bell

The Victory Bell is rung after every Ohio State victory by members of Alpha Phi Omega, a tradition that began after the Bucks beat California October 2, 1954. Reputedly the ringing can be heard five miles away "on a calm day." Located 150 feet high in the southeast tower of Ohio Stadium, the bell was a gift of the classes of 1943, 1944 and 1945, and weighs 2,420 pounds.[21]

Brutus Buckeye

Beginning in 1965, Brutus Buckeye has appeared at all Ohio State football games as the live mascot of the Buckeyes. In 2007 he was inducted into the Mascot Hall of Fame and is now one of the most recognized mascots in the United States.

Hang on Sloopy

First played at the Illinois game of October 9, 1965, the rock song Hang on Sloopy is now played by the marching band before the start of the fourth quarter, with fans performing an O-H-I-O chant in the intervals between the refrains. The song is also played to encourage the team's defensive players when opponents are moving the ball on offense late in a game. This is also played at the end of the third quarter at Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Bengals games.[21]

Buckeye leaves

Since 1967, the helmets of Ohio State players have been adorned with white decals approximately the size of a quarter depicting a buckeye leaf, awarded for making significant plays and for consistency of performance.[21] In the 1970s, the decals were approimately the size of a Silver Dollar until the 1979 Season. Most believe that this practice began in 1968 when The Buckeyes switched to their present Silver Helmet design since the decals have become identified with that helmet.

Tunnel of Pride

The Tunnel of Pride began with the 1994 Michigan game when all former players who were in attendance formed a tunnel through which the team ran to take the field, and Ohio State beat its rival that day, 22–6. Rex Kern, quarterback of the 1968 National Championship team, and then Director of Athletics Andy Geiger together used the concept as a means of connecting current Buckeyes with those who played before them. The Tunnel of Pride was next formed for the 1995 Notre Dame game, which the Buckeyes also won. In each home game against Michigan since, the tradition has been repeated.[21][30]

Carmen Ohio

Instituted by Coach Tressel in 2001, at the conclusion of all home games the coaches, players and cheerleaders gather in the south end zone next to the marching band to sing the university's alma mater, Carmen Ohio.[31]

The Hive and pre-game circle

Tressel brought to the Buckeye football program two pre-game traditions he developed at Youngstown State. Prior to its warmup routine before every football game, the team exits the locker room as a unit in a controlled manner, linked arm-in-arm in a group known as "The Hive". After warmups the team returns to the locker room, and when it next appears, runs onto the field and forms a circle of players around the strength coach, who exhorts the team into a frenzy in which they pummel each other with fists.[32]

Mirror Lake

Before the Ohio State/Michigan game at the end of the season, OSU students typically jump into Mirror Lake, located on campus, the Thursday night before the game. The tradition is thought to bring good luck to the football team the following gameday.[33]

Marching Band

Famous Script OhioThe Marching Band, known as "The Best Damn Band In The Land" or by the acronym TBDBITL[34] is the most visible and possibly best-known tradition of Ohio State football.[35] Home games are preceded by three much-anticipated traditions, and a fourth, "dotting the 'i'" of Script Ohio, enjoys a reputation all its own:[21]

[

b]History of the "i"-dot

At its first performance, the Script Ohio's "i" was dotted by a trumpet player, with no special attention or honor being given to the movement. When the trumpet player, John Brungart (1933-36), dotted the first Script Ohio "i" October 10, 1936, the march from the top of the "o" to the top of the "i" was just another movement to complete a formation. Brungart simply took his place in a complex single file line drill. Over 60 years later, the honor of dotting the "i" is known throughout the world.

Because director Eugene Weigel provided several new floating formations throughout the 1936 season, the first Script Ohio was seen by bandsmen as just another formation. No charts were used--Weigel simply placed members in their spots. "We knew that we did something different, not started a tradition," Brungart said, "I wasn't picked to dot the 'i', I was just in the right place at the right time." Script Ohio was performed two more times during the 1936 season, both with Brungart dotting the "i".

During a field rehearsal in the fall of 1937, Weigel had a spur-of-the-moment idea, and shouted to Glen R. Johnson, a sousaphone player, "Hey, you! Switch places with the trumpet player in the dot." After several run-throughs with the exchanged positions, the script was ready to be performed. At the game on October 23, 1937, the marching band, led by drum major Wesley Leas, performed with Script Ohio with Johnson dotting the "i". Johnson was in the band from 1937-40, and during all of those years he dotted the "i". From that time forward, the i-dot became the province of the big horns.

The familiar kick, turn, and bow by the sousaphone player at the top of the "i" was an innovation introduced by Johnson at a game in 1938. "(The turn) was an impulse reaction when drum major Myron McKelvey arrived three or four measures too soon at the top of the "i"," Johnson explained, "so I did a big kick, a turn, and a deep bow to use up the music before Buckeye Battle Cry. The crowd roared when this happened, and it became part of the show thereafter."

Having become the object of attention, occasionally the lucky musician dotting the "i" was identified for public notice. In the 1950's, several i-dotters at the Rose Bowl were named in nationwide news releases. Many have been interviewed by local TV stations and national networks during the week before their "dots". The media attention given to the i-dotter has only intensified the thrill this privilege gives.

How an OSUMB sousaphone player becomes an "i"-dotter

To be eligible to dot the "i", a sousaphone player must at least be a fourth-year member of the OSUMB. Since more than one person usually meets this requirement, the sousaphone player who has marched the most pre-game ramps is given the first choice of which script he/she wishes to dot. This is picked from the scheduled performances of Script Ohio for the upcoming season. This process continues until all fourth-year members have chosen a dot.

Fifth-year members are also eligible to dot the "i", but only after all fourth-year members have chosen. Fifth-year members choose their dots from the remaining script performances, following the same method of seniority used by fourth-year members. If a script is remaining after every eligible musician has chosen, all sousaphone players place their name in a hat and one is drawn. This is the person who will dot the remaining "i".

At post-season performances of Script Ohio (usually double scripts), fourth and fifth-year members compete for the open dots in what is called a "dot-off", in which eligible members perform their "i"-dot routine for the entire sousaphone section. Members watch two rounds of competition and vote for the best two candidates. The top vote-getters become the dotters for that performance of Script Ohio.
Honorary "i" dotters include Bob Hope, Woody Hayes, Jack Nicklaus, and Buster Douglas?. Script OhioOld Script Ohio

Some Buckeye Photos....................................

Jack Nicklaus dots the "i"

Woody and Bo

Woody feels no cold

Woddy Hayes dots the "i"

A Block "O'

Brutus Buckeye

The Horseshoe

Old Horseshoe Photo

OSU cheerleader

The 1950 Snow Bowl vs Michigan

Earl Bruce holds the guys back

Buckeye Honey

Another Hottie

How sweet

Buckeyes have Michigan on their heels

Columbus is a great game day atmosphere, and Jim Tressel has the Buckeyes consistently in the National Championship hunt on a yearly basis, and also making up ground in their rivalry with Michigan.

It is great for College Football Traditionalists to see The Buckeyes back as a yearly power, so Dot the "I", Script out Ohio, and sing in victory...............................

HANG ON, SLOOPY, HANG ON!!!!!

 
what about a picture of the shoe on the fair banks of the olentangy river.............and how about that 1978 pre-sugar bowl feast pic with woody and the bear....................yeah baby yeah!! :blackdot:

 
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One of the Great names in College Football, one of the great traditional atmospheres to watch a game................

#6 - THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES

Ohio State began playing organized collegiate football in 1890, and have amassed an 808-306-53 record, for a .715 winning percentage. The 808 wins qualify as the fifth most in history, and the Buckeyes are 4th in the nation in all time winning percentage.

Ohio State own a total of 35 Conference Championships - 2 in the Ohio Athletic, and the remaining 33 in the Big 10, spanning the years of 1916-2008. Only Michigan has more Big 10 Championships than the Buckeyes, and OSU has been gaining some ground in recent years.

Ohio State has played in 40 Bowl Games, going 18-22.

Ohio State officially claims National Championships in the following years.............................

1942 - Paul Brown Coached the Buckeyes to a 9-1 record

1954 - Woody Hayes leads OSU to a 10-0 mark and Rose Bowl win, claiming the AP Title.

1957 - Hayes and OSU go 9-1, and win the UPI vote over undefeated Auburn

1961 - OSU is 8-0-1, and named #1 by the Football Writers

1968 - For the 4th time, Hayes wins it all by seeing his team go 10-0

1970 - The Bucks go 9-1, and are selected by the National Football Foundation

2002 - Jim Tressel and OSU go 14-0 and beat Miami to become consensus Champions.

Jim Tressel with the Crystal Trophy

Woody Hayes Victory Ride

Ohio State has also been named by at leats one selector as National Champion in 7 other seasons, which they do not recognize.

The Buckeyes have been graced with a plethora of outstanding football players. Some names you may remember..................................

Art Schlichter, Terry Glenn, Vic Janowicz, "Hopalong" Cassidy, Les Horvath, Eddie George, Bill Willis, Archie Griffin, Paul Warfield, Chris Spielman, Gomer Jones, Jack Tatum, Mike Sensibaugh, Dan Wilkinson, Rex Kern, John Frank, Chris Carter, Tom Cousineau...........

So many great names, and so many not even mentioned.

Some Buckeye Coaching legends.............................

Paul Brown 1941 - 1943 18-8-1 .685

Wayne "Woody" Hayes 1951 - 1978 205-61-10 .761

Earl Bruce 1979 - 1987 81-26-1 .755

John Cooper 1988 - 2000 111-43-4 .715

Jim Tressel Current 83-19-0 .814

Ohio State has produced Heisman Trophy winners, ties with Notre Dame and USC for the most in the nation. Archie Griffin is the only two time winner, joined by Troy Smith, Vic Janowicz, Les Horvath, Eddie George, and Howard "Hopalong" Cassidy.

Archie on the loose

Archie plows through a Wolverine

Hopalong Cassidy

Some Buckey traditions, facts, and trivia...........................

The Scarlet and Gray

Ohio State’s official school colors since 1878, Scarlet and Gray were chosen by a group of three students in a lecture room in University Hall because “it was a pleasing combination...and had not been adopted by any other college,” noted selection committee member Alice Townshend Wing.

“The Best Damn Band in the Land”

is the 225-member, all-brass Ohio State Marching Band that formed in 1879 as a military band. Also known as “The Pride of the Buckeyes,” the band perhaps is best known for the incomparable Script Ohio. Another band tradition of note is the “skull session,” a warmup concert/pep rally in St. John Arena, open to the public before every home football game.

Hang on Sloopy“Hang On Sloopy,” a song performed by Ohioans, The McCoys, evolved into Ohio State’s game day anthem and eventually the state of Ohio’s official rock song. Buckeye fans heard it for the first time at the Oct. 9, 1965 OSU-Illinois game and it has rocked the stands ever since.

From Wikki..........................

Rivalries

While its rivalry with the University of Michigan is its most renowned and intense, Ohio State has two other series marked by their longevity, both Big Ten Conference rivals, those of Indiana and Illinois. The series versus Indiana began as a non-conference matchup, with Indiana going undefeated at 4-0-1. In conference, however, the Buckeyes (despite losing the opening conference game) are 65-8-4 through the 2006 season, the most wins against any opponent. Illinois also began with non-conference games (0-1-1) but became the longest continuous series in 2002 when the schools played in their 89th consecutive year. (That record was tied by Michigan in 2007.) Through 2008 Ohio State's record against the Illini is 61-30-4. In 2007, Ohio State was given their only defeat of the regular season by the Illini.

Penn State was added to the conference football play in 1993, every member was given two designated rivals, teams to be played every year, with the other conference teams rotated out of the schedule at regular intervals. For geographic convenience, the Big Ten named Penn State as Ohio State's new designated rival in addition to Michigan, and Illinois was set to be paired with in-state rival Northwestern and neighboring Indiana, and in doing so undermined Ohio State's historical rivalry with Illinois.

Michigan

The Michigan-Ohio State rivalry is the intense rivalry between the University of Michigan and The Ohio State University football teams. It has attracted particular national interest over the last four decades as most of the games have determined the Big Ten Conference title and the resulting Rose Bowl match ups, and many have influenced the outcome of the national collegiate football championship. The game was ranked by ESPN in 2000 as the greatest North American sports rivalry.[1]

The annual match up between the two Midwest state schools has been held at the end of the regular season since 1935 (with exceptions in 1942, 1986, and 1998). Since 1918, the game's site has alternated between Columbus, Ohio, and Ann Arbor, Michigan, and has been played in Ohio Stadium since 1922 and Michigan Stadium since 1927. Since 1935, Ohio State and Michigan have decided the Big Ten Conference championship between themselves on 23 different occasions, and have affected the determination of the conference title an additional 24 times. [2]

During 1835 and 1836, the State of Ohio and the Michigan Territory engaged in a brief and bloodless border dispute known as the Toledo War. Some have proposed that the football rivalry is a modern manifestation of this historical tension.[3]

The two teams have met a total of 105 times, with Michigan holding a 57-42-6 edge - but Ohio State is currently on a 5 game win streak, their longest in the series.

[edit] Buckeye football traditions

Ohio State football is rich in traditions, and Coach Tressel has since his hiring made upholding tradition a cornerstone of his program.[20] The following are football traditions in chronogical order of longevity:



Senior tackle Begun in 1913 by head coach John Wilce, seniors on the team are recognized at the last practice of the season, either before the Michigan game or before departing Columbus to play in a bowl game, and hit the blocking sled a final time.[21]

Gold pants

A gold miniature charm depicting a pair of football pants is given to all players and coaches following a victory over the Michigan Wolverines. The tradition began as the result of a comment to reporters by newly hired head coach Francis Schmidt on March 2, 1934: "How about Michigan? They put their pants on one leg at a time, the same as we do!" The first gold pants, which were a creation of Simon Lazarus (president of the Lazarus chain of department stores) and Herbert Levy,[22] were awarded that year for a 34-0 drubbing of the Wolverines.[23]

Captain's Breakfast

1934 also saw the first gathering of former team captains for breakfast on the Sunday following the Homecoming game. The event began when local businessman Walter Jeffrey invited twenty former captains to the Scioto Country Club to honor them, and continues to welcome new captains and award them mugs bearing their names and season.[21][24]



Buckeye Grove

Begun in 1934, each player who wins "first-team All-America" honors is recognized by the planting of a buckeye tree and installation of a plaque in Buckeye Grove, now located near the southwestern corner of Ohio Stadium next to Morrill Tower. Trees are planted in ceremonies held prior to the Spring Game. All 125 Buckeye All-Americans dating back to 1914 have been so honored.

Michigan Week

Since 1935 the annual game against Michigan has been the final meeting of the regular season for both teams. The week prior to "The Game", known as Michigan Week, is characterized by scheduled school spirit and public service events, such as rallies, touch football games, and blood drives;[25] and by massive displays of school colors and banners in much of Ohio. In an unofficial culmination to Michigan Week, since 1990 on the Thursday night before "The Game" students have participated in the "Mirror Lake jump", an unofficial gathering at Mirror Lake, a pond between Pomerene Hall and The Oval, in which masses of students jump into the water.[26]

Block O

Since 1938 the registered student organization Block O has been the "Official Cheering Section" of the Buckeyes. "Known for spreading spirit, starting cheers and performing card stunts, Block 'O' was founded...by Clancy Isaac

BLock O in a game in the south stands".[27] They occupy Section 39A in the South grandstand of Ohio Stadium, next to the band.[28][29]

Victory Bell

The Victory Bell is rung after every Ohio State victory by members of Alpha Phi Omega, a tradition that began after the Bucks beat California October 2, 1954. Reputedly the ringing can be heard five miles away "on a calm day." Located 150 feet high in the southeast tower of Ohio Stadium, the bell was a gift of the classes of 1943, 1944 and 1945, and weighs 2,420 pounds.[21]

Brutus Buckeye

Beginning in 1965, Brutus Buckeye has appeared at all Ohio State football games as the live mascot of the Buckeyes. In 2007 he was inducted into the Mascot Hall of Fame and is now one of the most recognized mascots in the United States.

Hang on Sloopy

First played at the Illinois game of October 9, 1965, the rock song Hang on Sloopy is now played by the marching band before the start of the fourth quarter, with fans performing an O-H-I-O chant in the intervals between the refrains. The song is also played to encourage the team's defensive players when opponents are moving the ball on offense late in a game. This is also played at the end of the third quarter at Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Bengals games.[21]

Buckeye leaves

Since 1967, the helmets of Ohio State players have been adorned with white decals approximately the size of a quarter depicting a buckeye leaf, awarded for making significant plays and for consistency of performance.[21] In the 1970s, the decals were approimately the size of a Silver Dollar until the 1979 Season. Most believe that this practice began in 1968 when The Buckeyes switched to their present Silver Helmet design since the decals have become identified with that helmet.

Tunnel of Pride

The Tunnel of Pride began with the 1994 Michigan game when all former players who were in attendance formed a tunnel through which the team ran to take the field, and Ohio State beat its rival that day, 22–6. Rex Kern, quarterback of the 1968 National Championship team, and then Director of Athletics Andy Geiger together used the concept as a means of connecting current Buckeyes with those who played before them. The Tunnel of Pride was next formed for the 1995 Notre Dame game, which the Buckeyes also won. In each home game against Michigan since, the tradition has been repeated.[21][30]

Carmen Ohio

Instituted by Coach Tressel in 2001, at the conclusion of all home games the coaches, players and cheerleaders gather in the south end zone next to the marching band to sing the university's alma mater, Carmen Ohio.[31]

The Hive and pre-game circle

Tressel brought to the Buckeye football program two pre-game traditions he developed at Youngstown State. Prior to its warmup routine before every football game, the team exits the locker room as a unit in a controlled manner, linked arm-in-arm in a group known as "The Hive". After warmups the team returns to the locker room, and when it next appears, runs onto the field and forms a circle of players around the strength coach, who exhorts the team into a frenzy in which they pummel each other with fists.[32]

Mirror Lake

Before the Ohio State/Michigan game at the end of the season, OSU students typically jump into Mirror Lake, located on campus, the Thursday night before the game. The tradition is thought to bring good luck to the football team the following gameday.[33]

Marching Band

Famous Script OhioThe Marching Band, known as "The Best Damn Band In The Land" or by the acronym TBDBITL[34] is the most visible and possibly best-known tradition of Ohio State football.[35] Home games are preceded by three much-anticipated traditions, and a fourth, "dotting the 'i'" of Script Ohio, enjoys a reputation all its own:[21]

[

b]History of the "i"-dot

At its first performance, the Script Ohio's "i" was dotted by a trumpet player, with no special attention or honor being given to the movement. When the trumpet player, John Brungart (1933-36), dotted the first Script Ohio "i" October 10, 1936, the march from the top of the "o" to the top of the "i" was just another movement to complete a formation. Brungart simply took his place in a complex single file line drill. Over 60 years later, the honor of dotting the "i" is known throughout the world.

Because director Eugene Weigel provided several new floating formations throughout the 1936 season, the first Script Ohio was seen by bandsmen as just another formation. No charts were used--Weigel simply placed members in their spots. "We knew that we did something different, not started a tradition," Brungart said, "I wasn't picked to dot the 'i', I was just in the right place at the right time." Script Ohio was performed two more times during the 1936 season, both with Brungart dotting the "i".

During a field rehearsal in the fall of 1937, Weigel had a spur-of-the-moment idea, and shouted to Glen R. Johnson, a sousaphone player, "Hey, you! Switch places with the trumpet player in the dot." After several run-throughs with the exchanged positions, the script was ready to be performed. At the game on October 23, 1937, the marching band, led by drum major Wesley Leas, performed with Script Ohio with Johnson dotting the "i". Johnson was in the band from 1937-40, and during all of those years he dotted the "i". From that time forward, the i-dot became the province of the big horns.

The familiar kick, turn, and bow by the sousaphone player at the top of the "i" was an innovation introduced by Johnson at a game in 1938. "(The turn) was an impulse reaction when drum major Myron McKelvey arrived three or four measures too soon at the top of the "i"," Johnson explained, "so I did a big kick, a turn, and a deep bow to use up the music before Buckeye Battle Cry. The crowd roared when this happened, and it became part of the show thereafter."

Having become the object of attention, occasionally the lucky musician dotting the "i" was identified for public notice. In the 1950's, several i-dotters at the Rose Bowl were named in nationwide news releases. Many have been interviewed by local TV stations and national networks during the week before their "dots". The media attention given to the i-dotter has only intensified the thrill this privilege gives.

How an OSUMB sousaphone player becomes an "i"-dotter

To be eligible to dot the "i", a sousaphone player must at least be a fourth-year member of the OSUMB. Since more than one person usually meets this requirement, the sousaphone player who has marched the most pre-game ramps is given the first choice of which script he/she wishes to dot. This is picked from the scheduled performances of Script Ohio for the upcoming season. This process continues until all fourth-year members have chosen a dot.

Fifth-year members are also eligible to dot the "i", but only after all fourth-year members have chosen. Fifth-year members choose their dots from the remaining script performances, following the same method of seniority used by fourth-year members. If a script is remaining after every eligible musician has chosen, all sousaphone players place their name in a hat and one is drawn. This is the person who will dot the remaining "i".

At post-season performances of Script Ohio (usually double scripts), fourth and fifth-year members compete for the open dots in what is called a "dot-off", in which eligible members perform their "i"-dot routine for the entire sousaphone section. Members watch two rounds of competition and vote for the best two candidates. The top vote-getters become the dotters for that performance of Script Ohio.
Honorary "i" dotters include Bob Hope, Woody Hayes, Jack Nicklaus, and Buster Douglas?. Script OhioOld Script Ohio

Some Buckeye Photos....................................

Jack Nicklaus dots the "i"

Woody and Bo

Woody feels no cold

Woddy Hayes dots the "i"

A Block "O'

Brutus Buckeye

The Horseshoe

Old Horseshoe Photo

OSU cheerleader

The 1950 Snow Bowl vs Michigan

Earl Bruce holds the guys back

Buckeye Honey

Another Hottie

How sweet

Buckeyes have Michigan on their heels

Columbus is a great game day atmosphere, and Jim Tressel has the Buckeyes consistently in the National Championship hunt on a yearly basis, and also making up ground in their rivalry with Michigan.

It is great for College Football Traditionalists to see The Buckeyes back as a yearly power, so Dot the "I", Script out Ohio, and sing in victory...............................

HANG ON, SLOOPY, HANG ON!!!!!
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#5 - THE MICHIGAN WOLVERINES

This may shock some people, as I figure many would have Michigan anchoring one of the top two spots. They have a tremendous resume, but I find them lacking in some areas, which I will address after giving the numbers.....................................

Michigan began playing College football way back in 1879, and is 872-297-38 since that time. The 872 wins are the most in College football History, and are 40 more than second place Texas. The Wolverines also are the nations leader in winning percentage, their .738 mark just ahead of Notre Dame.

Michigan has 42 Big Ten Championships either won or shared, winning the first Title in the Conferences initial year of 1898, and the most recent in 2004. The 42 Conference Titles are also the most owned by any Big 10, School, followed by Ohio State with 35.

Michigan claims 11 National Titles - 1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1918, 1923, 1932, 1933, 1947, 1948, and 1997.

The first 6 Champions were coached by the legendary Fielding "Hurry Up" Yost, and were a combined 56-0-1.

Michigan is 19-20 in its 39 Bowl games, including 8 wins in 20 Rose Bowl appearances.

Former Michigan greats include....................................

Anthony Carter, Rick Leach, Dan Dierdorf, Tom Harmon, Gordon Bell, Ron Kramer, Bob Chappius, Rob Lytle, Butch Woolfork, Jake long, Mike Hammerstein, Mark Messner, Lamarr Woodley, Charles Woodson, Steve Breaston............... the list is long and storied.

Michigan has three Heisman winners - Tom Harmon, Desmond Howard, and Charles Woodson.

Some Michigan Coaching notables....................................

Fielding Yost 1901-23, 1925-26 165-29-10 .833

Harry Kipke 1929-1937 46-26-4 .631

Fritz Crisler 1938-1947 71-16-3 .805

Bennie Oosterbaan 1948-1958 63-33-4 .650

Bo Schembechler 1969-1989 194-48-5 .788

Gary Moeller 1990-1994 44-13-3 .775

Lloyd Carr 1995-2007 122-40-0 .779

Rich Rodriguez Current 3-9-0 .250

Yost, Crisler, Kipke, Oosterbaan, and Carr all have at least one National Championship to their credit.

Some Michigan history, traditions, and facts...............................................

Michigan Winged Helmet

Who was responsible for designing the football helmets for the University of Michigan football team?

Michigan's famed winged football helmet dates back to 1938, when Fritz Crisler arrived from Princeton University with his penchant for detail and style.

"Michigan had a plain black helmet and we wanted to dress it up a little," Crisler recalled. "We added some color (maize and blue) and used the same basic helmet I had designed at Princeton."

There was one other consideration. Fritz thought this unique helmet could be helpful to his passers as they tried to spot their receivers downfield. "There was a tendency to use different-colored helmets just for receivers in those days, but I always thought that would be as helpful for the defense as for the offense," offered the former Wolverine football coach and athletic director.



Michigan Fight Song

Now for a cheer they are here, triumphant!

Here they come with banners flying,

In stalwart step they're nighing,

With shouts of vict'ry crying,

We hurrah, hurrah, we greet you now,

Hail!

Far we their praises sing

For the glory and fame they've bro't us

Loud let the bells them ring

For here they come with banners flying

Far we their praises tell

For the glory and fame they've bro't us

Loud let the bells them ring

For here they come with banners flying

Here they come, Hurrah!

Hail! to the victors valiant

Hail! to the conqu'ring heroes

Hail! Hail! to Michigan

the leaders and best

Hail! to the victors valiant

Hail! to the conqu'ring heroes

Hail! Hail! to Michigan,

the champions of the West!

We cheer them again

We cheer and cheer again

For Michigan, we cheer for Michigan

We cheer with might and main

We cheer, cheer, cheer

With might and main we cheer!

Hail! to the victors valiant

Hail! to the conqu'ring heroes

Hail! Hail! to Michigan,

the champions of the West!

From Wikki..........................

Program records and achievements

Wins and championships

Most wins ever with (872) and highest winning percentage with (.740) in NCAA Division I-A football history

The most winning seasons (110)

The most undefeated seasons in Division 1-A football (25)

One of only three schools with a winning record against every Division 1-A conference, including independent schools such as Notre Dame.

The 1901 Michigan Wolverines football team is the only undefeated, untied, and unscored-upon football team to also win the Rose Bowl without being scored upon.

Attendance and television

The largest crowd to ever attend an NCAA football game: 112,118 on November 22, 2003, at Michigan Stadium vs. Ohio State[3] Michigan was ranked #5 while Ohio State was ranked #4.

The longest streak in home game attendance of over 100,000 (214 games - Nov. 8, 1975 v. Purdue)[3]

The most televised school in college football history (382 televised games)[3]

Current streaks

The longest current streak of games in Division 1-A since last being shut out (287 games; last time on October 20, 1984, at Iowa).

Honored pageantry

The number one sports rivalry: Michigan-Ohio State, according to ESPN's "10 Greatest Sports Rivalries"

The best helmet in football, according to ESPN's "End of Century" Special

The best uniform in sports, according to ESPN2's 64 Team Bracket Results[5]

The Victors is one of the few fight songs in the Hall of Fame[3]

Michigan is the most winning football program with only 11 losing seasons out of 129 seasons.
Some Michigan Football photos................................................Touching the Banner Entering the Field

Entering the Field Part Deux

"Those Who Stay"...........................................

Bo Knows

Bo and Woody

Fielding Yost

Tom Harmon

1901 Rose Bowl Wolverines

Older Yost

Tom Harmon

Harmon scores

The Great AC

Elvis Grbac

Michigan Band

Another Girl

Michigan Cheerleaders Split

More Girls

Now - why is UM not #1, or at least higher on this list?

Quite simply, they are like the spit-polished, perfect looking sports car in the showroom, that is a dream come true - until you raise the hood, turn the key, and discover the flaw in the engine.

The numbers are great for UM, but the National Championships in the modern era are just not there.

The early Titles at the turn of the Century must be taken with a bit of a grain of salt, as they were really more regional in nature - until UM was named in 1900, all other winners were Ivy Leaguers.

Michigan has only captured two AP National Titles since the AP Poll originated, and I feel there must be some consequences for only having ONE National Championship in the last six decades. The fact that Michigan plays in a conference which sees only two of its traditional members listed in the Top 34 in winning percentage also does not make a stronger case for the Wolverines.

Michigan fans like to tell me they are unquestionably the top traditional program in College Football History, and they would probably be correct if you eliminate the National Championship consideration. However, National Titles are a strong consideration here, as I think they should be with any honest and objective look at the top college programs of all time.

I am secure in my Top Tier of three, but had to think long and hard on who I should slot at #4 and #5.

All it would take for Michigan to move up, and maybe significantly, would be to raise the Crystal Trophy a time or two - but with Ohio State on a solid foundation, and uncertainty swirling around the Rich Rodriguez hire, Michigan has its work cut out for it.

MGOBLUE

 
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Michigan has only capture two AP National Titles since the AP Poll originated, and I feel there must be some consequences for only having ONE National Championship in the last six decades. The fact that Michigan plays in a conference which sees only two of its traditional members listed in the Top 34 in winning percentage also does not make a stronger case for the Wolverines.
I never would have guessed that.
 
You ranking MI #5 (and not higher) is like the 13th chime on a clock. Not only is it wrong in and of itself, but it brings into question the accuracy of the other 12 chimes.

 
You ranking MI #5 (and not higher) is like the 13th chime on a clock. Not only is it wrong in and of itself, but it brings into question the accuracy of the other 12 chimes.
That's one person's opinion.I think he gave decent reasons for not having Michigan higher. Let's wait to see his reasons for having the others ahead.
 
They have a tremendous resume, but I find them lacking in some areas
Not in the SEC?Seriously though, knocking them for having won only 1 mythical national championship in the last (arbitrarily chosen) 6 decades would seem to degrade the total wins stat, wouldn't it? Or are you weighting more recent wins in the totals to reward more recent performance. (And if not, why not? If the more recent national championships mean more, why wouldn't wins in general?) Do BCS era championships mean more still? Again, if not, why not? Many past "national champions" didn't have to face the #2 team in a bowl game.And why only consider "traditional members" when considering winning percentage? Results wouldn't fit the conclusions? I realize you've got to make some calls on what to emphasize, and what to consider, but the pretzel logic you need to employ to justify some of the calls is ridiculous.
 
You ranking MI #5 (and not higher) is like the 13th chime on a clock. Not only is it wrong in and of itself, but it brings into question the accuracy of the other 12 chimes.
That's one person's opinion.I think he gave decent reasons for not having Michigan higher. Let's wait to see his reasons for having the others ahead.
Many of the teams in the 15-25 range racked up a ton of wins in the early 1900s. When it was pointed out that some schools hadn't even been established yet or were in their infancy in terms of fielding a football team during those years, it was stated that you shouldn't penalize those teams for those wins. And yet, it's now being done with what he considers to be the most important factor - national championships.
 
Just because the Big Ten hasn't been as good as the SEC the last 10-15 years doesn't mean it wasn't good for the 80 years or whatever before that. 5th is silly for UM and sounds like you're just trying to get Alabama higher.

 
You ranking MI #5 (and not higher) is like the 13th chime on a clock. Not only is it wrong in and of itself, but it brings into question the accuracy of the other 12 chimes.
That's one person's opinion.I think he gave decent reasons for not having Michigan higher. Let's wait to see his reasons for having the others ahead.
Many of the teams in the 15-25 range racked up a ton of wins in the early 1900s. When it was pointed out that some schools hadn't even been established yet or were in their infancy in terms of fielding a football team during those years, it was stated that you shouldn't penalize those teams for those wins. And yet, it's now being done with what he considers to be the most important factor - national championships.
One of the reasons some teams are ranked att all is due primarily to success in earlier days, but the reason they are ranked lower is due to lack of success in more recent times. I just think that Michigan has to suffer some repercussions for only 2 AP Titles, and only one in the last 6 decades. That, to me, does not qualify as demonstrating an ability to win Championships consistently in different eras.If you were to focus on wins and winning percentage solely, maybe UM is #1. As it is, I view them as a #4 or 5, which is outstanding. You can make cases to raise or lower pretty much any Program, but as it stands, I am comfortable with this slot.Again, there are probably very few posters on this Board who can remember more than One Michigan National Championship. That cannot be said for the Programs ahead of them.
 
Just because the Big Ten hasn't been as good as the SEC the last 10-15 years doesn't mean it wasn't good for the 80 years or whatever before that. 5th is silly for UM and sounds like you're just trying to get Alabama higher.
This may, hopefully, change your viewpoint a bit.........................Top 25 winning percentages

The Big Ten, has historically, never been as good as the SEC, as the data above reveals.

Only Michigan and Ohio State represent the Big Ten in the first 34 positions of all time winning percentage. Tough to really count Penn State in there as they are a relative newcomer.

The SEC has SIX Programs in the Top 17 - Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Florida, and Auburn.

That number speaks volumes about the quality of SEC Football, and the toughness of winning in the League on a weekly basis.

 
TidesofWar said:
ConstruxBoy said:
Just because the Big Ten hasn't been as good as the SEC the last 10-15 years doesn't mean it wasn't good for the 80 years or whatever before that. 5th is silly for UM and sounds like you're just trying to get Alabama higher.
This may, hopefully, change your viewpoint a bit.........................Top 25 winning percentages

The Big Ten, has historically, never been as good as the SEC, as the data above reveals.

Only Michigan and Ohio State represent the Big Ten in the first 34 positions of all time winning percentage. Tough to really count Penn State in there as they are a relative newcomer.

The SEC has SIX Programs in the Top 17 - Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Florida, and Auburn.

That number speaks volumes about the quality of SEC Football, and the toughness of winning in the League on a weekly basis.
I see the point, but moving the #1 team in both wins and winning pct from 1 to 5 because you don't think their competition is that good is a little suspect, IMO. Especially since you're moving the team that's 10th in wins and 7th in winning pct ahead of them. And the Pac-10 isn't exactly lighting up that Winning Pct list either.
 
Now we have entered the territory of silliness. Michigan downgraded due to lack of competition in their conference? What started out as a pretty reasonable attempt has turned into an attempt to justify a pre-concieved top 4 (or top 3 or top 2).

I don't even like Michigan all that much, but at worst they are #2, if not #1.

I am hoping after the list is cmplete you will let us in on your criterion so it may make sense.

 
TidesofWar said:
ConstruxBoy said:
Just because the Big Ten hasn't been as good as the SEC the last 10-15 years doesn't mean it wasn't good for the 80 years or whatever before that. 5th is silly for UM and sounds like you're just trying to get Alabama higher.
This may, hopefully, change your viewpoint a bit.........................Top 25 winning percentages

The Big Ten, has historically, never been as good as the SEC, as the data above reveals.

Only Michigan and Ohio State represent the Big Ten in the first 34 positions of all time winning percentage. Tough to really count Penn State in there as they are a relative newcomer.

The SEC has SIX Programs in the Top 17 - Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Florida, and Auburn.

That number speaks volumes about the quality of SEC Football, and the toughness of winning in the League on a weekly basis.
I see the point, but moving the #1 team in both wins and winning pct from 1 to 5 because you don't think their competition is that good is a little suspect, IMO. Especially since you're moving the team that's 10th in wins and 7th in winning pct ahead of them. And the Pac-10 isn't exactly lighting up that Winning Pct list either.
In terms of all-time winning % among the Top 34 (not sure why this was used), the Pac-10 has:USC - 6

Washington - 18

Arizona St. - 19

UCLA - 33

Next Pac-10 team: Arizona (40)

The Big 10:

Michigan - 1

Ohio St. - 5

Penn St. - 10

Michigan St. - 31

Next Big 10 team: Minnesota (37)

Since 1936 (the AP Era), the Pac-10:

USC - 10

Arizona St. - 20

UCLA - 22

Washington - 32

Next Pac-10 team: Arizona (45)

The Big 10:

Ohio St. - 3

Penn St. - 4

Michigan - 5

Michigan St. - 34

Next Big 10 team: Purdue (59)

I have no idea how these stack up to the other conferences.

 
TidesofWar said:
ConstruxBoy said:
Just because the Big Ten hasn't been as good as the SEC the last 10-15 years doesn't mean it wasn't good for the 80 years or whatever before that. 5th is silly for UM and sounds like you're just trying to get Alabama higher.
This may, hopefully, change your viewpoint a bit.........................Top 25 winning percentages

The Big Ten, has historically, never been as good as the SEC, as the data above reveals.

Only Michigan and Ohio State represent the Big Ten in the first 34 positions of all time winning percentage. Tough to really count Penn State in there as they are a relative newcomer.

The SEC has SIX Programs in the Top 17 - Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Florida, and Auburn.

That number speaks volumes about the quality of SEC Football, and the toughness of winning in the League on a weekly basis.
Shouldn't you be using SOS instead as your argument about the quality of the SEC all-time? Check out this link from that same site it shows All-time Strength of Schedule ranks. Mich is #1 by a decent margin and the Big 10 has 9 of their 10/or 11 (depending on how you count PSU) in the Top 16. PSU is 28 and MSU is 35. http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ranki...ed_rankings.php

 
:lmao: at everyone agreeing with this poll until their team isn't #1 and then they start questioning the rankings basis.

Michigan fans in particular are some of the most myopic uneducated national college football fans there are.

There's a lot more to this world than trouncing Purdue 6-3, as I am sure you have come to appreciate your last few trips to Pasadena.

 
TidesofWar said:
ConstruxBoy said:
Just because the Big Ten hasn't been as good as the SEC the last 10-15 years doesn't mean it wasn't good for the 80 years or whatever before that. 5th is silly for UM and sounds like you're just trying to get Alabama higher.
This may, hopefully, change your viewpoint a bit.........................Top 25 winning percentages

The Big Ten, has historically, never been as good as the SEC, as the data above reveals.

Only Michigan and Ohio State represent the Big Ten in the first 34 positions of all time winning percentage. Tough to really count Penn State in there as they are a relative newcomer.

The SEC has SIX Programs in the Top 17 - Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Florida, and Auburn.

That number speaks volumes about the quality of SEC Football, and the toughness of winning in the League on a weekly basis.
Shouldn't you be using SOS instead as your argument about the quality of the SEC all-time? Check out this link from that same site it shows All-time Strength of Schedule ranks. Mich is #1 by a decent margin and the Big 10 has 9 of their 10/or 11 (depending on how you count PSU) in the Top 16. PSU is 28 and MSU is 35. http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ranki...ed_rankings.php
I use the warehouse as a source, and most of their stuff is great, but however they derive "Schedule Points" is seriously flawed.The Big Ten with nine of the top 16 in SOS?

That would intimate the Big Ten Plays Football, and the rest of the world watches :no:

 
:lmao: at everyone agreeing with this poll until their team isn't #1 and then they start questioning the rankings basis.

Michigan fans in particular are some of the most myopic uneducated national college football fans there are.

There's a lot more to this world than trouncing Purdue 6-3, as I am sure you have come to appreciate your last few trips to Pasadena.
To my knowledge, the only UM fan that's posted to this point has been whoknew, until me of course and you won't get an argument out of me other than to say there is way too much emphasis put on "championships" here, IMO. That shouldn't be news to anyone though. You are kinda falling flat on your face here. I don't think anyone is questioning UM being down and performing poorly in Pasedena....especially against USC. USC's has had UM's number out there the last few times. The only team that can say that out of the Pac-10 though. They are 4-6 against USC and 0-1 against ASU. Five of those losses have come in the last 6 games they'v played. It's funny that you have the 6-3 comment in there given that most of the games between the two have been within a touchdown except for the last two years and the early years.
 
:lmao: at everyone agreeing with this poll until their team isn't #1 and then they start questioning the rankings basis.

Michigan fans in particular are some of the most myopic uneducated national college football fans there are.

There's a lot more to this world than trouncing Purdue 6-3, as I am sure you have come to appreciate your last few trips to Pasadena.
To my knowledge, the only UM fan that's posted to this point has been whoknew, until me of course and you won't get an argument out of me other than to say there is way too much emphasis put on "championships" here, IMO. That shouldn't be news to anyone though. You are kinda falling flat on your face here. I don't think anyone is questioning UM being down and performing poorly in Pasedena....especially against USC. USC's has had UM's number out there the last few times. The only team that can say that out of the Pac-10 though. They are 4-6 against USC and 0-1 against ASU. Five of those losses have come in the last 6 games they'v played. It's funny that you have the 6-3 comment in there given that most of the games between the two have been within a touchdown except for the last two years and the early years.
I hate Michigan. Just stating an opinion that ranking them 5th is wrong.
 
I love my Wolverines, but I can accept and agree with a #5 ranking. They do have a long and tremendous history with great traditions and a great stadium. But they haven't stepped up enough in bowl games in the modern era and they haven't overachieved very often.

(And how do you leave Tom Brady off their player list?!?)

Great thread!!

 
Oklahoma will be and should be number #1. In fact I think that you should just do theh 4th, 3rd, and 2nd ranked teams all at one time so that you can devote a weekend to OU. TIA

 
Oklahoma will be and should be number #1. In fact I think that you should just do theh 4th, 3rd, and 2nd ranked teams all at one time so that you can devote a weekend to OU. TIA
I'm pretty sure it will be Notre Dame. Of course I was pretty sure Michigan was going to be top-3.
 
:lmao: at everyone agreeing with this poll until their team isn't #1 and then they start questioning the rankings basis.

Michigan fans in particular are some of the most myopic uneducated national college football fans there are.

There's a lot more to this world than trouncing Purdue 6-3, as I am sure you have come to appreciate your last few trips to Pasadena.
To my knowledge, the only UM fan that's posted to this point has been whoknew, until me of course and you won't get an argument out of me other than to say there is way too much emphasis put on "championships" here, IMO. That shouldn't be news to anyone though. You are kinda falling flat on your face here. I don't think anyone is questioning UM being down and performing poorly in Pasedena....especially against USC. USC's has had UM's number out there the last few times. The only team that can say that out of the Pac-10 though. They are 4-6 against USC and 0-1 against ASU. Five of those losses have come in the last 6 games they'v played. It's funny that you have the 6-3 comment in there given that most of the games between the two have been within a touchdown except for the last two years and the early years.
No you're right. I was too broad. I was just extremely entertained by some of the above posts. Its not like Michigan was ranked #23. They were ranked 5th and all of a sudden a clock had 13 hands.

:lmao:

 
:lmao: at everyone agreeing with this poll until their team isn't #1 and then they start questioning the rankings basis.

Michigan fans in particular are some of the most myopic uneducated national college football fans there are.

There's a lot more to this world than trouncing Purdue 6-3, as I am sure you have come to appreciate your last few trips to Pasadena.
To my knowledge, the only UM fan that's posted to this point has been whoknew, until me of course and you won't get an argument out of me other than to say there is way too much emphasis put on "championships" here, IMO. That shouldn't be news to anyone though. You are kinda falling flat on your face here. I don't think anyone is questioning UM being down and performing poorly in Pasedena....especially against USC. USC's has had UM's number out there the last few times. The only team that can say that out of the Pac-10 though. They are 4-6 against USC and 0-1 against ASU. Five of those losses have come in the last 6 games they'v played. It's funny that you have the 6-3 comment in there given that most of the games between the two have been within a touchdown except for the last two years and the early years.
No you're right. I was too broad. I was just extremely entertained by some of the above posts. Its not like Michigan was ranked #23. They were ranked 5th and all of a sudden a clock had 13 hands.

:lmao:
You can call me names and pick on my team, but I will not stand for being called uneducated.
 
:lmao: at everyone agreeing with this poll until their team isn't #1 and then they start questioning the rankings basis.

Michigan fans in particular are some of the most myopic uneducated national college football fans there are.

There's a lot more to this world than trouncing Purdue 6-3, as I am sure you have come to appreciate your last few trips to Pasadena.
To my knowledge, the only UM fan that's posted to this point has been whoknew, until me of course and you won't get an argument out of me other than to say there is way too much emphasis put on "championships" here, IMO. That shouldn't be news to anyone though. You are kinda falling flat on your face here. I don't think anyone is questioning UM being down and performing poorly in Pasedena....especially against USC. USC's has had UM's number out there the last few times. The only team that can say that out of the Pac-10 though. They are 4-6 against USC and 0-1 against ASU. Five of those losses have come in the last 6 games they'v played. It's funny that you have the 6-3 comment in there given that most of the games between the two have been within a touchdown except for the last two years and the early years.
No you're right. I was too broad. I was just extremely entertained by some of the above posts. Its not like Michigan was ranked #23. They were ranked 5th and all of a sudden a clock had 13 hands.

:lmao:
What means this :unsure: ETA: I will say UM fans are very spoiled and assume 8-9 wins a year. A lot of us have not been through a rebuilding phase like this so I am sure some crazies will be coming out of the woodwork shortly. I plan on mocking them just as you do ;) I will take my UM education over any other state funded school in the country though :thumbup:

 
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