The Wheelhouse - Who would you rather draft poll (1 Viewer)

[Wheelhouse]

In a re-draft, PPR league...Which player would you rather draft - Tight End Edition

 

[Ministry of Pain]

In a re-draft, PPR league...Which player would you rather draft - Tight End Edition

Nice poll...we need more of these.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Only been five votes, but I'm surprised to see McMichael not getting the majority so far. Culpepper's main target when Moss left and when he (Moss) was hurt seemed to be Jermaine Wiggins. I think McMichael is more dynamic a receiver than Wiggins, and I think he could see an increase in numbers.

 

[CalBear]

Wow, Watson over Cooley is serious Patriot Kool-Aid.

 

[NYG Endzone]

Wow, Watson over Cooley is serious Patriot Kool-Aid.

Cant believe it

 

[BrentBlack]

Wow, Watson over Cooley is serious Patriot Kool-Aid.

That one is the most surprising of any of Wheelhouse's polls.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and WATSON nowhere to go but up.

EDIT: Oh crap, that made no sense.

 

[BrentBlack]

Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley nowhere to go but up.

 

[Wheelhouse]

Wow, Watson over Cooley is serious Patriot Kool-Aid.

That one is the most surprising of any of Wheelhouse's polls.

Watson has more people in his corner because...1. That tackle against Champ Bailey in the playoffs last year = SPEED2. Deion Branch situation continues to loom3. see #1 and #2

 

[PatsWillWin]

I mean, not to mention, I think Watson is hands down the more talented player. Do people disagree with that?

 

[CalBear]

Wow, Watson over Cooley is serious Patriot Kool-Aid.

That one is the most surprising of any of Wheelhouse's polls.

Watson has more people in his corner because...1. That tackle against Champ Bailey in the playoffs last year = SPEED

2. Deion Branch situation continues to loom

3. see #1 and #2

If you combine all stats of all TEs for any year since Belichick took over in New England, they don't add up to what Cooley did in 2005. And Cooley's 2004 was at least as good as Watson's 2005, too. Absolutely nuts to take Watson before Cooley.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Wow, Watson over Cooley is serious Patriot Kool-Aid.

That one is the most surprising of any of Wheelhouse's polls.

Watson has more people in his corner because...1. That tackle against Champ Bailey in the playoffs last year = SPEED

2. Deion Branch situation continues to loom

3. see #1 and #2

If you combine all stats of all TEs for any year since Belichick took over in New England, they don't add up to what Cooley did in 2005. And Cooley's 2004 was at least as good as Watson's 2005, too. Absolutely nuts to take Watson before Cooley.

Again, all you are talking about is the past. Sure, it's an indicator, but Watson is a far better receiving tight end than any TE Belichick has had during his tenure. Graham has shown flashes of great catches, but also a lot of inconsistency. He's overall an average receiver and one of the better blocking TE's in the game. I'm not saying Cooley's 05 was not as good as Waton's 05. I'm saying Cooley is going to decline for factors already cited and Watson's will be increasing.

 

[jurb26]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley nowhere to go but up.

Says who?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley nowhere to go but up.

Says who?

Says the eleventy billion $ the Skins spent on WR's, and the #1 WR in NE being Reche Caldwell (but Troy Brown is in hot pursuit!)

 

[jurb26]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley nowhere to go but up.

Says who?

Says the eleventy billion $ the Skins spent on WR's, and the #1 WR in NE being Reche Caldwell (but Troy Brown is in hot pursuit!)

Branch will be back and I don't really care what Wash paid for those WR, Cooley is still the 2nd best pass catching threat on the team.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley nowhere to go but up.

Says who?

Says the eleventy billion $ the Skins spent on WR's, and the #1 WR in NE being Reche Caldwell (but Troy Brown is in hot pursuit!)

Branch will be back and I don't really care what Wash paid for those WR, Cooley is still the 2nd best pass catching threat on the team.

Well, it's convenient that you "don't care" about Washington acquiring WR's, but if you think that having Brandon Lloyd and ARE will not take more targets than James Thras and David Patten, then I thiiiiiiiink you're kidding yourself.And dismissing Watson because "Branch will be back" is also a reach, because if/when he does come back, Watson is still arguably the #2 target on a MUCH better passing attack.

 

[-OZ-]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley nowhere to go but up.

Says who?

Says the eleventy billion $ the Skins spent on WR's, and the #1 WR in NE being Reche Caldwell (but Troy Brown is in hot pursuit!)

Branch will be back and I don't really care what Wash paid for those WR, Cooley is still the 2nd best pass catching threat on the team.

arguably, but you can't deny that his looks should decrease with the presence of two better WRs than they had last year. I do see a potential increase in TDs, so I voted for him over Watson.The close call here IMO is Miller vs. Troupe. I like both TEs a lot this year and into the future, both could very well be the #2 receiver on their teams (Troupe could even be the #1 option), but as I see VY relying more on his TE than Ben will, I'll go with Troupe. Miller is the better all around TE, Troupe is the better receiver from what I've seen. I do like Miller in the red zone.

 

[jurb26]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley nowhere to go but up.

Says who?

Says the eleventy billion $ the Skins spent on WR's, and the #1 WR in NE being Reche Caldwell (but Troy Brown is in hot pursuit!)

Branch will be back and I don't really care what Wash paid for those WR, Cooley is still the 2nd best pass catching threat on the team.

Well, it's convenient that you "don't care" about Washington acquiring WR's, but if you think that having Brandon Lloyd and ARE will not take more targets than James Thras and David Patten, then I thiiiiiiiink you're kidding yourself.And dismissing Watson because "Branch will be back" is also a reach, because if/when he does come back, Watson is still arguably the #2 target on a MUCH better passing attack.

I do care about those Wash WRs as I own Lloyd. Simple fact is, Cooley is a better rec option IMO. I know all too well the kind of rec threat that ARE is as a Steeler fan who has watched him his entire career. Again, I do not feel it is better than Cooley. Whats funny is that everyone will sit there and downgrade Branch all day long because the NE passing game does not focus on one guy enough. Yet Watson continues to gather all this hype with him gone...

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

In a re-draft, PPR league...Which player would you rather draft - Tight End Edition

Nice poll...we need more of these.

I agree. Go for it.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley Watson nowhere to go but up.

WR2 didn't exist in Wash last year with Patten and Thrash out. It was Portis, SanMoss and Cooley - that was it.

 

[jurb26]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley Watson nowhere to go but up.

WR2 didn't exist in Wash last year with Patten and Thrash out. It was Portis, SanMoss and Cooley - that was it.

A WR2 did exist in Wash last year. His name was Chris Cooley.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Changing gears.....

VDavis > DClark.

Davis is the WR2 (to continue the Cooley '05 analogy) for SF. DClark is the 4th option at best, and he has competition from Utecht and Fletcher. I don't see or get the Clark love.

 

[jurb26]

Changing gears.....VDavis > DClark.Davis is the WR2 (to continue the Cooley '05 analogy) for SF. DClark is the 4th option at best, and he has competition from Utecht and Fletcher. I don't see or get the Clark love.

I don't see or get the Rookie TE love. They rarely make an impact. Outside of Ditka of course.

 

[Mapmaker]

Personally, I think there's an awful lot of folks out there that are blinding themselves to the fact that Cooley is the #2 receiving option for the Redskins Offence ... ... the addition of OC A. Saunders does nothing more than solidify his potential for an even greater share of the pie than last season; your looking at an OC that pounded Priest and killed ya with Gonzo for years in KC; now that same formula has moved east and settled in Washington ... Brunell didn't suddenly get a year younger, Gibbs didn't suddenly alter his desire to be a ball control/conservative, kill the clock/protect the ball type coach did he ?... Chris Cooley will see more targets, catch more passes and score more TD than last season ... baring injury of course ... "put it on the board"

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Wow, Watson over Cooley is serious Patriot Kool-Aid.

That one is the most surprising of any of Wheelhouse's polls.

Watson has more people in his corner because...1. That tackle against Champ Bailey in the playoffs last year = SPEED

2. Deion Branch situation continues to loom

3. see #1 and #2

If you combine all stats of all TEs for any year since Belichick took over in New England, they don't add up to what Cooley did in 2005. And Cooley's 2004 was at least as good as Watson's 2005, too. Absolutely nuts to take Watson before Cooley.

I voted Watson. In the offseason, Washington picked up not one, but two new WRs. On the other hand, New England lost one WR and has its other WR holding out.Watson's a better athlete moving up the charts. Cooley is moving down.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I voted Watson. In the offseason, Washington picked up not one, but two new WRs. On the other hand, New England lost one WR and has its other WR holding out.Watson's a better athlete moving up the charts. Cooley is moving down.

Even if you want to argue that Cooley is still the 2nd best receiver on the team (which I do not agree with), Cooley being better than Lloyd and ARE is only half the point - the other half is how much better Brandon Lloyd and ARE are to James Thrash and David Patten. That, I would think, is undebatable.

 

[intrinsic]

I dont understand how so many people keep forgetting that E Johnson is back and relatively healthy from what ive read. How does this not factor in to the decisions on V Davis? Davis is not the #1 TE in SF.

 

[Pipes]

Cooley is now the #3, and in some packages #4, target on his team. Watson will be the #2 or #3 on a much better offense with a much better QB. Basically, I think Cooley has nowhere to go but down, and Cooley nowhere to go but up.

Says who?

Says the eleventy billion $ the Skins spent on WR's, and the #1 WR in NE being Reche Caldwell (but Troy Brown is in hot pursuit!)

Branch will be back and I don't really care what Wash paid for those WR, Cooley is still the 2nd best pass catching threat on the team.

Well, it's convenient that you "don't care" about Washington acquiring WR's, but if you think that having Brandon Lloyd and ARE will not take more targets than James Thras and David Patten, then I thiiiiiiiink you're kidding yourself.And dismissing Watson because "Branch will be back" is also a reach, because if/when he does come back, Watson is still arguably the #2 target on a MUCH better passing attack.

At worst Watson is the #2 receiving target in arguably the leagues 2nd best passing attack. Cooley at best the #2 in a mediocre passing attack. Watson is a no-brainer over Cooley IMHO.

 

[-OZ-]

Personally, I think there's an awful lot of folks out there that are blinding themselves to the fact that Cooley is the #2 receiving option for the Redskins Offence ... ... the addition of OC A. Saunders does nothing more than solidify his potential for an even greater share of the pie than last season; your looking at an OC that pounded Priest and killed ya with Gonzo for years in KC; now that same formula has moved east and settled in Washington ... Brunell didn't suddenly get a year younger, Gibbs didn't suddenly alter his desire to be a ball control/conservative, kill the clock/protect the ball type coach did he ?... Chris Cooley will see more targets, catch more passes and score more TD than last season ... baring injury of course ... "put it on the board"

I understand the logic, but there's a few flaws.Gonzo >>>>>>>>>>>> Cooley

Moss, ARE and Lloyd are better than any WR trio KC has had.

Saunders will use his players to their ability. He helped Gonzo be a dominant FF player, but he won't neccessarily do the same for every TE. One could make a valid argument that Gonzo, Priest and the OL made Saunders, instead of him single handedly making them pro-bowlers. I like Cooley, but don't think he'll be Gonzo.

 

[massraider]

Whats funny is that everyone will sit there and downgrade Branch all day long because the NE passing game does not focus on one guy enough. Yet Watson continues to gather all this hype with him gone...

Quoted for truth.You know why I don't want Watson at his ADP?Because I don't want to be the owner that is losing by 4 points, in the 4th quarter of a Pats game, and watch Brady throw a TD pass to Mike freaking Vrabel.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Whats funny is that everyone will sit there and downgrade Branch all day long because the NE passing game does not focus on one guy enough. Yet Watson continues to gather all this hype with him gone...

Quoted for truth.You know why I don't want Watson at his ADP?Because I don't want to be the owner that is losing by 4 points, in the 4th quarter of a Pats game, and watch Brady throw a TD pass to Mike freaking Vrabel.

You'd prefer to lose by 4 when Brunell throws a TD to Mike freaking Sellers?

 

[Mungo Burrows]

One thing to keep in mind - the poll question is "Which Tight End would you rather draft?" not "which would you draft ahead of the other one at a given spot in the draft". It's a subtle difference in semantics, but a VERY important difference.

I would much rather let Cooley slip by at his current ADP and get Watson 30-40 picks later (according to the latest ADP I've seen). That is a huge reason for my vote for Watson. I think Cooley is bad value at his ADP so of the two, I'd rather be drafting Watson. If that's not meant to be part of the equation, then the question in the poll needs to be reworded.

 

[oddball]

Everyone I voted for is losing. Tells me I'm doing the right thing

 

[-OZ-]

One thing to keep in mind - the poll question is "Which Tight End would you rather draft?" not "which would you draft ahead of the other one at a given spot in the draft". It's a subtle difference in semantics, but a VERY important difference.I would much rather let Cooley slip by at his current ADP and get Watson 30-40 picks later (according to the latest ADP I've seen). That is a huge reason for my vote for Watson. I think Cooley is bad value at his ADP so of the two, I'd rather be drafting Watson. If that's not meant to be part of the equation, then the question in the poll needs to be reworded.

That's a good point, but it would help if the poll included their ADP, otherwise I'm taking it as both are available, I need a TE, which do I take.