The Wire (6 Viewers)

[whoknew]

OMAR BACK

 

[Bri]

Omar's spiderman

 

[Shrek]

cheez has to be on the way out-

I thought they got him last night, when Prop Joe said "My nephew?" and Marlo nodded, Joe then rubbed his face in disgust and said something like that he never was too bright.Or do you think that was Joe asking who gave him up?

I thought he was asking Marlo if if he took Cheez out yet. But you bring up a good point. Hmmmmm.....not sure about that now.

Of course Joe was asking if Cheese was the one who gave him up. Why do you think Snoop and Chris gave Hungry Man to Cheese all duct taped and practically with a bow on him? Then Chris says, "A present from Marlo. You get a gift...you give a gift." That's what he meant. Marlo gives him Hungry Man, he gets Prop Joe in return.

Actually I thought he meant you give a gift (cheeze gave them butchie) you get a gift (hungry man)

No. They knew about Butchie a long time ago. They didn't need someone to give him to them. A blind man is pretty easy to get to whenever you decide you need him.

 

[Shrek]

cheez has to be on the way out-

I thought they got him last night, when Prop Joe said "My nephew?" and Marlo nodded, Joe then rubbed his face in disgust and said something like that he never was too bright.Or do you think that was Joe asking who gave him up?

I thought he was asking Marlo if if he took Cheez out yet. But you bring up a good point. Hmmmmm.....not sure about that now.

Of course Joe was asking if Cheese was the one who gave him up. Why do you think Snoop and Chris gave Hungry Man to Cheese all duct taped and practically with a bow on him? Then Chris says, "A present from Marlo. You get a gift...you give a gift." That's what he meant. Marlo gives him Hungry Man, he gets Prop Joe in return.

Actually I thought he meant you give a gift (cheeze gave them butchie) you get a gift (hungry man)

Butchie was given up by that dude who was given $50k. To my recollection, that was not Cheese.The gift to Cheese was Hungry Man, and he gave up Prop Joe. Joe figures it out when he says his nephew isn't too bright.

from HBOs episode guide:Cheese comes to Chris Partlow with information about Butchie, suggesting he might know Omar's location. Cheese asks that Prop Joe not be told he was the one who provided the information, as he pockets his $50k from Chris.

Ah, I can see where you got your reasoning then. Cheese just gave them information. In return he gets 50K. Done deal. They would have no obligation to then give him Hungry Man. The deal was clearly Hungry for Prop Joe.

 

[Shrek]

Episode 56 :

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ANyone notice that the guy yelling at Carcetti from the crowd at the ribbon cutting ceremony of the new Waterfront project was Nicky Sobotka?

Obviously I'm sure that Templeton will get busted making up quotes and writing fake stories, but I think it'll be Gus who snoops him out himself. Would be good drama if it happened where Templeton decided to take action before Gus has a chance to tell anyone else.

I hope Bunk is the one that gets McNulty busted. I really like how they have made Bunk the paragon of Good Policework, but with with the few fatal flaws. Having him chomp at the bit knowing the lab could bust his case wide open if they weren't chasing their own tails following McNulty's fake serial killer is some damn good writing.

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[TexanFan02]

I'm starting to think this was a good time to end it, despite how much I liked it. It's a show about the real world.

In the real world, suppose they get Marlo? What happens?

Anonther Avon or Marlo steps into place. It never ends.

The police solve one series of crimes, great! Now we can spend more money on the screwed up school system.

It never ends.

It's kind of depressing in its realism, but I guess that's part of the pull.

 

[Red Apples]

cheez has to be on the way out-

I thought they got him last night, when Prop Joe said "My nephew?" and Marlo nodded, Joe then rubbed his face in disgust and said something like that he never was too bright.Or do you think that was Joe asking who gave him up?

I thought he was asking Marlo if if he took Cheez out yet. But you bring up a good point. Hmmmmm.....not sure about that now.

Of course Joe was asking if Cheese was the one who gave him up. Why do you think Snoop and Chris gave Hungry Man to Cheese all duct taped and practically with a bow on him? Then Chris says, "A present from Marlo. You get a gift...you give a gift." That's what he meant. Marlo gives him Hungry Man, he gets Prop Joe in return.

Actually I thought he meant you give a gift (cheeze gave them butchie) you get a gift (hungry man)

Butchie was given up by that dude who was given $50k. To my recollection, that was not Cheese.The gift to Cheese was Hungry Man, and he gave up Prop Joe. Joe figures it out when he says his nephew isn't too bright.

from HBOs episode guide:Cheese comes to Chris Partlow with information about Butchie, suggesting he might know Omar's location. Cheese asks that Prop Joe not be told he was the one who provided the information, as he pockets his $50k from Chris.

Ah, I can see where you got your reasoning then. Cheese just gave them information. In return he gets 50K. Done deal. They would have no obligation to then give him Hungry Man. The deal was clearly Hungry for Prop Joe.

heres wht i thought heres hungry man as a gift please be our friend...similiar to when marlo handed $40,000 to the greeks.cheese accepts the gift and then gives up prop joe, but i think he still gets his $50,000

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

cheez has to be on the way out-

I thought they got him last night, when Prop Joe said "My nephew?" and Marlo nodded, Joe then rubbed his face in disgust and said something like that he never was too bright.Or do you think that was Joe asking who gave him up?

I thought he was asking Marlo if if he took Cheez out yet. But you bring up a good point. Hmmmmm.....not sure about that now.

Of course Joe was asking if Cheese was the one who gave him up. Why do you think Snoop and Chris gave Hungry Man to Cheese all duct taped and practically with a bow on him? Then Chris says, "A present from Marlo. You get a gift...you give a gift." That's what he meant. Marlo gives him Hungry Man, he gets Prop Joe in return.

Actually I thought he meant you give a gift (cheeze gave them butchie) you get a gift (hungry man)

No. They knew about Butchie a long time ago. They didn't need someone to give him to them. A blind man is pretty easy to get to whenever you decide you need him.

They may have known who Butchie was, but they clearly did not know he was Omar's bank and almost kin to him. It is abundantly clear that Cheeze was paid the $50K for information regarding Omar and Butchie and IMO not so clear that HungryMan was in exchange for Prop Joe. Cheeze is getting a move up in the overall ranks for Joe IMO.

 

[mistersmith]

Ok, I rewatched a few of those scenes. I was wrong earlier when I said Cheese didn't give up Butchie.

Cheese does give up Butchie for $50k. Not only does it get him $50k, but you can say that it also gets him into the good graces of Marlo.

So now, when they give him Hungry Man, he gives up Prop Joe. That's what they're referring to when they're talking about giving a gift and getting a gift. So thats why Prop Joe talks about his nephew in disgust and saying he's not too bright.

 

[James Daulton]

What do all the gangsters do with their $$??? Aside from their rides, I never see anything like nice houses or vacations for these clowns. Avon and Stringer were the only ones to live a little large.

 

[Red Apples]

man the mcnulty is smart like a fox huh?

is that reporter guy going down because of the marine interview he did? it would be ironic if the only time the reporter actually interviews a guy, that guy completely lies to him and the reporter is caught in a bad story. I mean the marine guy gave lots of easily checkable facts.

 

[Big_Russel]

Does anyone else notice the extreme irony in the way the main characters meet there demise on this show? It's brilliant.

 

[Big_Russel]

man the mcnulty is smart like a fox huh?

Too smart for his own good maybe... I cant imagine things ending well for Mcnulty. He is his own worst enemy. The subtitle for season five is "Read between the lines". That should tell you all you need to know about Jimmy Mcnulty. Think on it.

 

[corpcow]

What do all the gangsters do with their $$??? Aside from their rides, I never see anything like nice houses or vacations for these clowns. Avon and Stringer were the only ones to live a little large.

How did Avon and Stringer live large? That was a lot of the point n the first season - they had a lot of property and things like that but never anything in their name, no bling, etc.

 

[saintfool]

wife and i just finished season two last night. looking forward to polishing off season 3 in a week or so.

 

[whoknew]

wife and i just finished season two last night. looking forward to polishing off season 3 in a week or so.

Wait until you get to Season 4!!That's my favorite.

 

[LAUNCH]

It was hysterical when the lab tech told Bunk that he could look into his cases after he did the serial killer work. I thought the writing last night was great and how all the lies about dead people that no one cared about changed the focus of an entire city and got national coverage.

 

[Bri]

It was hysterical when the lab tech told Bunk that he could look into his cases after he did the serial killer work. I thought the writing last night was great and how all the lies about dead people that no one cared about changed the focus of an entire city and got national coverage.

me tooFunny Omar was right there in the janitor's closet and they didn't knowAnd Omar is acting just like I thought he would when he's on a rampage. I see on the preview he creeps up on Michael next. I still think Michael bolts and isn't "made for" "the game". Maybe Omar will trigger him grabbing that geeky kid and the little boy and moving out of town.I know I know very few ever leave Baltimore but.....that's my hopeful guessI'm wonderring about Chris doing something stupid. He's pretty wound up about Omar and he's usually very cool. Still feel cheated that we didn't get to hear a dialogue between Snoop and Omar during that shootout. That would have been so entertaining.Jimmy's pressing that he's not getting enough results. He was smart and walked away before staging the current murder but I think he's about to get caught doing something stupid.

 

[Shrek]

Video On Demand is starting to get on my nerves. Now the next week's episode isn't available... again. They are so inconsistent. The previews for episode 57 look great

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

It would be great if the Co-op somehow took matters into their own hands to take Marlo out. Of course they'd have to figure out how to arrange the drug connect first, so I doubt it will happen, but it would be interesting. My guess is Omar ends up taking out Marlo and his whole crew, and the Co-op lets him walk because he did them such a big favor.

 

[corpcow]

Video On Demand is starting to get on my nerves. Now the next week's episode isn't available... again. They are so inconsistent. The previews for episode 57 look great I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.It would be great if the Co-op somehow took matters into their own hands to take Marlo out. Of course they'd have to figure out how to arrange the drug connect first, so I doubt it will happen, but it would be interesting. My guess is Omar ends up taking out Marlo and his whole crew, and the Co-op lets him walk because he did them such a big favor.

Ep 57 was available for me at midnight last night... watched it already. Anyone else?

 

[Bri]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

 

[Shrek]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

It was never said outright, but blatantly obvious.

 

[corpcow]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

It was never said outright, but blatantly obvious.

Yeah, it was definitely the case. From Wikipedia:

When Bug's father is paroled and returns to their home, Michael becomes desperate to get rid of the man. While not stated explicitly, it can be assumed from Michael's reactions that Bug's father sexually abused Michael before going to prison. This is hinted by Michael's distrust in adult males and a rather verbose attitude he displays when subjects involving sexuality are spoken. He asks Randy what would happen if he were to call social services on his stepfather, and Randy, speaking from experience, says that Michael and Bug would be split up and would both be placed in group homes. Out of options, Michael turns to Marlo and Chris for help. Chris kills Bug's father, Devar, after asking if he likes to "#### little boys" and telling him that he knows why he is going to be killed, and deviates from his normal style of killing by savagely beating him. Marlo provides Michael and Bug with their own apartment. In return, Michael becomes a drug dealer and soldier in Marlo's operation. Marlo jokingly refers to Michael as Chris's "puppy" when Michael is not around. Trained by Chris and Snoop, he beats rivals and engages in contract killing. While he has moved on to a new life within the drug trade, he nonetheless offers "Dukie" a place to live, although with the apparent price of enlisting Dukie into Marlo's crew

 

[Christo]

is that reporter guy going down because of the marine interview he did? it would be ironic if the only time the reporter actually interviews a guy, that guy completely lies to him and the reporter is caught in a bad story. I mean the marine guy gave lots of easily checkable facts.

Going with the marine story rather than making up something new about the serial killer is the smartest thing Templeton has done. Remember, Gus hasn't believed the serial killer story from the beginning. What's going to bite him in the butt is the other story that Gus asked him to go back and check out. Gus knew the answer before he sent him back. I don't think Templeton checked the old story before giving Gus the Gus is on to him.

 

[Christo]

Video On Demand is starting to get on my nerves. Now the next week's episode isn't available... again. They are so inconsistent. The previews for episode 57 look great

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

It would be great if the Co-op somehow took matters into their own hands to take Marlo out. Of course they'd have to figure out how to arrange the drug connect first, so I doubt it will happen, but it would be interesting. My guess is Omar ends up taking out Marlo and his whole crew, and the Co-op lets him walk because he did them such a big favor.

Would you feel remorse for killing your mother's child molesting boyfriend?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

is that reporter guy going down because of the marine interview he did? it would be ironic if the only time the reporter actually interviews a guy, that guy completely lies to him and the reporter is caught in a bad story. I mean the marine guy gave lots of easily checkable facts.

Going with the marine story rather than making up something new about the serial killer is the smartest thing Templeton has done. Remember, Gus hasn't believed the serial killer story from the beginning. What's going to bite him in the butt is the other story that Gus asked him to go back and check out. Gus knew the answer before he sent him back. I don't think Templeton checked the old story before giving Gus the Gus is on to him.

Read my mind. I was hoping that Templeton maybe learned his lesson after his actual real story is seemingly the best #### he has written (according to Gus anyway), but low and behold he drops the ball on checking the fraud thing.

 

[Shrek]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

It was never said outright, but blatantly obvious.

Yeah, it was definitely the case. From Wikipedia:

When Bug's father is paroled and returns to their home, Michael becomes desperate to get rid of the man. While not stated explicitly, it can be assumed from Michael's reactions that Bug's father sexually abused Michael before going to prison. This is hinted by Michael's distrust in adult males and a rather verbose attitude he displays when subjects involving sexuality are spoken. He asks Randy what would happen if he were to call social services on his stepfather, and Randy, speaking from experience, says that Michael and Bug would be split up and would both be placed in group homes. Out of options, Michael turns to Marlo and Chris for help. Chris kills Bug's father, Devar, after asking if he likes to "#### little boys" and telling him that he knows why he is going to be killed, and deviates from his normal style of killing by savagely beating him. Marlo provides Michael and Bug with their own apartment. In return, Michael becomes a drug dealer and soldier in Marlo's operation. Marlo jokingly refers to Michael as Chris's "puppy" when Michael is not around. Trained by Chris and Snoop, he beats rivals and engages in contract killing. While he has moved on to a new life within the drug trade, he nonetheless offers "Dukie" a place to live, although with the apparent price of enlisting Dukie into Marlo's crew

OK, that's one person's take. But let's be clear that Wikipedia is just someone's opinion. It doesn't mean it's fact. I took it as Michael just hated having to answer to the man after he had been gone for so long. And that would fit, too. And do you really think that if Michael went to Marlo to ask him to kill the stepdad, he would say, "Yeah, it's because he sexually abused me as a child."? That's not something they say on the street. Maybe someone else thinks this is the case as well, but I don't think it's 100% sure. And I'm not even sure that Chris says that to him before he beats him. I would try to find something other than Wikipedia to be sure, though.ETA: For those who want to get their shorts in a bunch about it, I realize I could be wrong about this, and maybe he was a child molester. I'm just saying that I didn't see much to indicate that, and Wikipedia isn't always a solid source.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

It was never said outright, but blatantly obvious.

Yeah, it was definitely the case. From Wikipedia:

When Bug's father is paroled and returns to their home, Michael becomes desperate to get rid of the man. While not stated explicitly, it can be assumed from Michael's reactions that Bug's father sexually abused Michael before going to prison. This is hinted by Michael's distrust in adult males and a rather verbose attitude he displays when subjects involving sexuality are spoken. He asks Randy what would happen if he were to call social services on his stepfather, and Randy, speaking from experience, says that Michael and Bug would be split up and would both be placed in group homes. Out of options, Michael turns to Marlo and Chris for help. Chris kills Bug's father, Devar, after asking if he likes to "#### little boys" and telling him that he knows why he is going to be killed, and deviates from his normal style of killing by savagely beating him. Marlo provides Michael and Bug with their own apartment. In return, Michael becomes a drug dealer and soldier in Marlo's operation. Marlo jokingly refers to Michael as Chris's "puppy" when Michael is not around. Trained by Chris and Snoop, he beats rivals and engages in contract killing. While he has moved on to a new life within the drug trade, he nonetheless offers "Dukie" a place to live, although with the apparent price of enlisting Dukie into Marlo's crew

OK, that's one person's take. But let's be clear that Wikipedia is just someone's opinion. It doesn't mean it's fact. I took it as Michael just hated having to answer to the man after he had been gone for so long. And that would fit, too. And do you really think that if Michael went to Marlo to ask him to kill the stepdad, he would say, "Yeah, it's because he sexually abused me as a child."? That's not something they say on the street. Maybe someone else thinks this is the case as well, but I don't think it's 100% sure. And I'm not even sure that Chris says that to him before he beats him. I would try to find something other than Wikipedia to be sure, though.ETA: For those who want to get their shorts in a bunch about it, I realize I could be wrong about this, and maybe he was a child molester. I'm just saying that I didn't see much to indicate that, and Wikipedia isn't always a solid source.

The way he reacts with Cutty, Bub's dad, Dookie, Randy, and Chris (and how Chris kills him) tells us plenty without us having to be beaten over the head with it.

 

[TexanFan02]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

It was never said outright, but blatantly obvious.

Yeah, it was definitely the case. From Wikipedia:

When Bug's father is paroled and returns to their home, Michael becomes desperate to get rid of the man. While not stated explicitly, it can be assumed from Michael's reactions that Bug's father sexually abused Michael before going to prison. This is hinted by Michael's distrust in adult males and a rather verbose attitude he displays when subjects involving sexuality are spoken. He asks Randy what would happen if he were to call social services on his stepfather, and Randy, speaking from experience, says that Michael and Bug would be split up and would both be placed in group homes. Out of options, Michael turns to Marlo and Chris for help. Chris kills Bug's father, Devar, after asking if he likes to "#### little boys" and telling him that he knows why he is going to be killed, and deviates from his normal style of killing by savagely beating him. Marlo provides Michael and Bug with their own apartment. In return, Michael becomes a drug dealer and soldier in Marlo's operation. Marlo jokingly refers to Michael as Chris's "puppy" when Michael is not around. Trained by Chris and Snoop, he beats rivals and engages in contract killing. While he has moved on to a new life within the drug trade, he nonetheless offers "Dukie" a place to live, although with the apparent price of enlisting Dukie into Marlo's crew

OK, that's one person's take. But let's be clear that Wikipedia is just someone's opinion. It doesn't mean it's fact. I took it as Michael just hated having to answer to the man after he had been gone for so long. And that would fit, too. And do you really think that if Michael went to Marlo to ask him to kill the stepdad, he would say, "Yeah, it's because he sexually abused me as a child."? That's not something they say on the street. Maybe someone else thinks this is the case as well, but I don't think it's 100% sure. And I'm not even sure that Chris says that to him before he beats him. I would try to find something other than Wikipedia to be sure, though.ETA: For those who want to get their shorts in a bunch about it, I realize I could be wrong about this, and maybe he was a child molester. I'm just saying that I didn't see much to indicate that, and Wikipedia isn't always a solid source.

They did everything except have Michael actually say he was abused. I agree with the guy that said it was blatantly obvious. If you don't think so, watch it again.

 

[Taxguy]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

It was never said outright, but blatantly obvious.

Yeah, it was definitely the case. From Wikipedia:

When Bug's father is paroled and returns to their home, Michael becomes desperate to get rid of the man. While not stated explicitly, it can be assumed from Michael's reactions that Bug's father sexually abused Michael before going to prison. This is hinted by Michael's distrust in adult males and a rather verbose attitude he displays when subjects involving sexuality are spoken. He asks Randy what would happen if he were to call social services on his stepfather, and Randy, speaking from experience, says that Michael and Bug would be split up and would both be placed in group homes. Out of options, Michael turns to Marlo and Chris for help. Chris kills Bug's father, Devar, after asking if he likes to "#### little boys" and telling him that he knows why he is going to be killed, and deviates from his normal style of killing by savagely beating him. Marlo provides Michael and Bug with their own apartment. In return, Michael becomes a drug dealer and soldier in Marlo's operation. Marlo jokingly refers to Michael as Chris's "puppy" when Michael is not around. Trained by Chris and Snoop, he beats rivals and engages in contract killing. While he has moved on to a new life within the drug trade, he nonetheless offers "Dukie" a place to live, although with the apparent price of enlisting Dukie into Marlo's crew

OK, that's one person's take. But let's be clear that Wikipedia is just someone's opinion. It doesn't mean it's fact. I took it as Michael just hated having to answer to the man after he had been gone for so long. And that would fit, too. And do you really think that if Michael went to Marlo to ask him to kill the stepdad, he would say, "Yeah, it's because he sexually abused me as a child."? That's not something they say on the street. Maybe someone else thinks this is the case as well, but I don't think it's 100% sure. And I'm not even sure that Chris says that to him before he beats him. I would try to find something other than Wikipedia to be sure, though.ETA: For those who want to get their shorts in a bunch about it, I realize I could be wrong about this, and maybe he was a child molester. I'm just saying that I didn't see much to indicate that, and Wikipedia isn't always a solid source.

They did everything except have Michael actually say he was abused. I agree with the guy that said it was blatantly obvious. If you don't think so, watch it again.

How could someone not see this?

 

[Brownsfan]

I think Michael wanted to keep his brother from going through the same thing he went through.

Pretty obvious to me he had been molested and saw what was in store for his brother now that Dad was back.

 

[The Captain]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

It was never said outright, but blatantly obvious.

Yeah, it was definitely the case. From Wikipedia:

When Bug's father is paroled and returns to their home, Michael becomes desperate to get rid of the man. While not stated explicitly, it can be assumed from Michael's reactions that Bug's father sexually abused Michael before going to prison. This is hinted by Michael's distrust in adult males and a rather verbose attitude he displays when subjects involving sexuality are spoken. He asks Randy what would happen if he were to call social services on his stepfather, and Randy, speaking from experience, says that Michael and Bug would be split up and would both be placed in group homes. Out of options, Michael turns to Marlo and Chris for help. Chris kills Bug's father, Devar, after asking if he likes to "#### little boys" and telling him that he knows why he is going to be killed, and deviates from his normal style of killing by savagely beating him. Marlo provides Michael and Bug with their own apartment. In return, Michael becomes a drug dealer and soldier in Marlo's operation. Marlo jokingly refers to Michael as Chris's "puppy" when Michael is not around. Trained by Chris and Snoop, he beats rivals and engages in contract killing. While he has moved on to a new life within the drug trade, he nonetheless offers "Dukie" a place to live, although with the apparent price of enlisting Dukie into Marlo's crew

OK, that's one person's take. But let's be clear that Wikipedia is just someone's opinion. It doesn't mean it's fact. I took it as Michael just hated having to answer to the man after he had been gone for so long. And that would fit, too. And do you really think that if Michael went to Marlo to ask him to kill the stepdad, he would say, "Yeah, it's because he sexually abused me as a child."? That's not something they say on the street. Maybe someone else thinks this is the case as well, but I don't think it's 100% sure. And I'm not even sure that Chris says that to him before he beats him. I would try to find something other than Wikipedia to be sure, though.ETA: For those who want to get their shorts in a bunch about it, I realize I could be wrong about this, and maybe he was a child molester. I'm just saying that I didn't see much to indicate that, and Wikipedia isn't always a solid source.

They did everything except have Michael actually say he was abused. I agree with the guy that said it was blatantly obvious. If you don't think so, watch it again.

How could someone not see this?

I think if you look even closer, you could make a case for the fact that Chris was abused as well when he was a child. He deviated completely from his usual methods for killing and disposing of his victims. They way he beat Bugs Dad down, it was extremely personal. The question is, did Chris care that much about Michael to kill Bugs dad so violently, or was he, himself, abused as a child as well?

 

[The Captain]

It would be great if the Co-op somehow took matters into their own hands to take Marlo out. Of course they'd have to figure out how to arrange the drug connect first, so I doubt it will happen, but it would be interesting. My guess is Omar ends up taking out Marlo and his whole crew, and the Co-op lets him walk because he did them such a big favor.

As much I would love for your scenario to happen, I think Omar loses out. The biggest shame is that I think Omar won't have the chance to face Marlo. Omar is too emotional about this and is playing it in way he normally would never do. I want nothing more than for Omar to take Marlo and his crew out, but I think he gets taken out by one of the small timers or Chris and Snoop.This show is more of a Greek Tragedy than anything else...the heroes are all doomed to fail. Omar may not be a hero in the traditional sense, but he's one of the most popular characters on the show. Like McNulty and Gus, he will go down.

 

[corpcow]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

It was never said outright, but blatantly obvious.

Yeah, it was definitely the case. From Wikipedia:

When Bug's father is paroled and returns to their home, Michael becomes desperate to get rid of the man. While not stated explicitly, it can be assumed from Michael's reactions that Bug's father sexually abused Michael before going to prison. This is hinted by Michael's distrust in adult males and a rather verbose attitude he displays when subjects involving sexuality are spoken. He asks Randy what would happen if he were to call social services on his stepfather, and Randy, speaking from experience, says that Michael and Bug would be split up and would both be placed in group homes. Out of options, Michael turns to Marlo and Chris for help. Chris kills Bug's father, Devar, after asking if he likes to "#### little boys" and telling him that he knows why he is going to be killed, and deviates from his normal style of killing by savagely beating him. Marlo provides Michael and Bug with their own apartment. In return, Michael becomes a drug dealer and soldier in Marlo's operation. Marlo jokingly refers to Michael as Chris's "puppy" when Michael is not around. Trained by Chris and Snoop, he beats rivals and engages in contract killing. While he has moved on to a new life within the drug trade, he nonetheless offers "Dukie" a place to live, although with the apparent price of enlisting Dukie into Marlo's crew

OK, that's one person's take. But let's be clear that Wikipedia is just someone's opinion. It doesn't mean it's fact. I took it as Michael just hated having to answer to the man after he had been gone for so long. And that would fit, too. And do you really think that if Michael went to Marlo to ask him to kill the stepdad, he would say, "Yeah, it's because he sexually abused me as a child."? That's not something they say on the street. Maybe someone else thinks this is the case as well, but I don't think it's 100% sure. And I'm not even sure that Chris says that to him before he beats him. I would try to find something other than Wikipedia to be sure, though.ETA: For those who want to get their shorts in a bunch about it, I realize I could be wrong about this, and maybe he was a child molester. I'm just saying that I didn't see much to indicate that, and Wikipedia isn't always a solid source.

it's what I thought when I first watched it, and what someone on Wikipedia put. (And, for the record, it may be "just someone's opinion" but if there was no evidence it would be flagged).Either way, there was a reason and it was more than just "having to answer to someone". I have to rewatch season 4 to confirm, it's been awhile, but like I said I definitely remember there was more to it.

 

[Marc Levin]

I still think Michael bolts and isn't "made for" "the game".

Now that episode 7 has been OnDemand, you still think so?Michael's made for that life. He'll die in it.

 

[Marc Levin]

Video On Demand is starting to get on my nerves. Now the next week's episode isn't available... again. They are so inconsistent. The previews for episode 57 look great

I watched it last night - it's up. And it was AWESOME!!

 

[Marc Levin]

I personally am most looking forward to Michael getting taken out, but I wonder if the writers have the balls to do it. He is the character that I can most readily identify with, since my daughter is right around his age. You see kids like him all the time. They think because they have a gun they're Billy Bad###, but the fact is, they're still just a punk with a gun. The fact that Michael's character has shown no remorse for having his step-dad killed shows that he deserves his come-uppance.

IIRC he was abused or molested by that POSShould he have shown remorse? maybe but I have no prob with him not showing remorse

I don't recall them ever saying anything like this.

Beaten and abused for sure - not sure about sexually.And he was protecting Bug from him, too. Michael's all about protecting Bug.Edited - also ETA - last year, when Michael's dad is getting the beat down, Chris says things to him that make it clear it was revenge for at least physical abuse.

 

[The Captain]

I'm so pissed off. I made the mistake of checking out the Wire boards over at HBO and some dumb MF'er gave the spoilers for the entire season without giving everyone a heads up.

 

[TexanFan02]

I'm so pissed off. I made the mistake of checking out the Wire boards over at HBO and some dumb MF'er gave the spoilers for the entire season without giving everyone a heads up.

Take it with a grain of salt. They've been making predictions on those boards since the season began, they're not always correct. A lot of it is guesswork.edited to add: I just went over there and saw no less than 5 different outcomes for the series. I don't know which "spoiler" you were looking at, but I don't think I would put too much faith in it.

 

[Shrek]

OK, episode 57 finally came up, and I watched it. Yes, it's evident now that Michael's stepdad did something to him. I still don't buy that turning to Marlo was his only option, but I can see that it was his easiest and most readily available option.

 

[Marc Levin]

Shrek - me too.

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

OK, episode 57 finally came up, and I watched it. Yes, it's evident now that Michael's stepdad did something to him. I still don't buy that turning to Marlo was his only option, but I can see that it was his easiest and most readily available option.

 

[Bri]

I still think Michael bolts and isn't "made for" "the game".

Now that episode 7 has been OnDemand, you still think so?Michael's made for that life. He'll die in it.

no ideadon't have OnDemand any more, cruddy cable company by me. Comcast bought em' so I will soon but....Discussion in this thread hasn't been as good this year as previous years due to OnDemand. Maybe for some other series we should all agree to watch it or not watch it.

 

[Marc Levin]

OK- how about this - see the look on his face when he was with Chris and Snoop while teeing off on Omar?

He's going up against a fierce dude, they have been training him to handle a gun, he runs a corner and has their respect, he doesn't back down from a fight - he's made for the game.

Just because we like him doesn't make him less made for the game. He was singled out at the begining of year one as someone Marlo was recruiting. He's not flipping now on moral grounds.

 

[Christo]

I still think Michael bolts and isn't "made for" "the game".

Now that episode 7 has been OnDemand, you still think so?Michael's made for that life. He'll die in it.

no ideadon't have OnDemand any more, cruddy cable company by me. Comcast bought em' so I will soon but....Discussion in this thread hasn't been as good this year as previous years due to OnDemand. Maybe for some other series we should all agree to watch it or not watch it.

I vote the On Demand people go hide under a rock until they can control themselves.

 

[corpcow]

OK- how about this - see the look on his face when he was with Chris and Snoop while teeing off on Omar?He's going up against a fierce dude, they have been training him to handle a gun, he runs a corner and has their respect, he doesn't back down from a fight - he's made for the game.Just because we like him doesn't make him less made for the game. He was singled out at the begining of year one as someone Marlo was recruiting. He's not flipping now on moral grounds.

Remember the paintball scene? Bad ###.

 

[Big_Russel]

Remember the paintball scene? Bad ###.

Something tells me that scene was foreshadowing some more “classic Wire irony” before seasons/series end.

 

[jamil]

OK, episode 57 finally came up, and I watched it. Yes, it's evident now that Michael's stepdad did something to him. I still don't buy that turning to Marlo was his only option, but I can see that it was his easiest and most readily available option.

don't wanna read the spoiler cause it's probably on demand, but the only reason mike turned to marlo was because of bug. all throughout season 4 you could tell that bug was his whole life...he could've easily bounced from the situation but he wouldn't of been able to take care of bug by himself, and he couldn't leave his brother alone with that guy. what other options did he have? kill him himself?

 

[Tackling Dummies]

I'm Netflixing this due to this thread.

I'm on season 1 right now and it took me a few minutes to realize that it's the best show since Homicide.