There is a potential trade so logical, it all but leaps off the draft (1 Viewer)

[Varmint]

Providing the Jacksonville Jaguars are willing partners, the Broncos could easily leap from their No. 12 overall draft pick to No. 8. (Credit the Walter Camp draftniks for first pointing this out).

"The No. 8 spot would be significant to the Broncos if their preference is defensive tackle B.J. Raji, quarterback Mark Sanchez or Texas defensive end/outside linebacker Brian Orakpo.

As it stands now, someone would have to lace Raji's brownies between now and April 25 for the projected 3-4 nose tackle to fall past Green Bay with the No. 9 pick.

The San Francisco 49ers, having failed with Alex Smith as their franchise quarterback, cannot allow Sanchez to drop beyond their No. 10 pick.

And Orakpo, a physical freak who possesses the greatest pass- rushing potential, probably wouldn't get past Jacksonville at No. 8 or Buffalo at No. 11.

According to the last known draft value chart, the No. 8 draft pick is worth 1,400 points while the No. 12 pick is worth 1,200. To those who had a little too much Saturday night fun, that's a difference of 200 points.

That extra third-round pick the Broncos got from the Bears in the Jay Cutler trade? It allows the Broncos to sacrifice their first third- round pick, No. 79 overall. The No. 79 pick is worth 195 points on the draft value chart.

Or close enough.

McDaniels and Xanders would never state their preference with their No. 12 pick. But it's no secret they may have to move up to get him. "

DENVER POST

 

[mikel0254]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

 

[Max Power]

Per PFT Jax wants to trade back bad, but no teams are biting.

This one does make sense though

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

I think Curry has a greater shot at being there at 8 than Sanchez does.

 

[Sinrman]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

Though I've vehemently opposed drafting Stafford, I'd rather have him than Sanchez...

 

[CalBear]

The Niners management is completely incompetent, but even so, I think it's pretty unlikely that they'd make the exact same mistake again (choosing a first-round QB who doesn't really grade out that well, just because you need a QB).

 

[mikel0254]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

I think Curry has a greater shot at being there at 8 than Sanchez does.

Really? I disagree. I think Curry doesn't fall past #3, and I think the Lions are seriously considering him right now. They will most likely take Stafford, but he's still someone they are looking at

 

[mikel0254]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

Though I've vehemently opposed drafting Stafford, I'd rather have him than Sanchez...

I don't want either personally, but unfortunately I'm not running the team

 

[FUBAR]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

really? a team completely devoid of any talent aside from CJ/Sims, with needs at all but 2 positions, is going to give the #20 and #33 for the #8?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

I think Curry has a greater shot at being there at 8 than Sanchez does.

Really? I disagree. I think Curry doesn't fall past #3, and I think the Lions are seriously considering him right now. They will most likely take Stafford, but he's still someone they are looking at

Here are the LB picked in the top 10 of the draft in the last 20 years. I think Curry will be a good player but he isn't #1 overall worthy and probably not even Top 5 worthy, IMO.Keith Rivers - 1.09 (2008)Jerod Mayo - 1.10 (2008)Patrick Willis - 1.11 - I'll list him even though he wasn't Top 10 (2007)AJ Hawk - 1.05 (2006)Ernie Sims - 1.09 (2006)Lavar Arrington - 1.02 (2000)Brian Urlacher - 1.09 (2000)Chris Claiborne - 1.09 (1999)James Farrior - 1.08 (1997)Kevin Hardy - 1.02 (1996)Trev Alberts - 1.05 (1994)Marvin Jones - 1.04 (1993)Quentin Coryatt - 1.02 (1992)Mike Croel - 1.04 (1991)Keith McCants - 1.04 (1990)If Curry ends up on the higher end of this list (Farrior, Urlacher, Willis, or Mayo), is he even worth a top 5 pick then? To me, linebackers just don't carry that kind of value.

 

[mikel0254]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

really? a team completely devoid of any talent aside from CJ/Sims, with needs at all but 2 positions, is going to give the #20 and #33 for the #8?

If we think he could be our franchise quarterback for the next 10 years, I could see the Lions would give that up. Half of the first round picks turn out to be busts anyways. We have another two picks in the 3rd

 

[mikel0254]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

I think Curry has a greater shot at being there at 8 than Sanchez does.

Really? I disagree. I think Curry doesn't fall past #3, and I think the Lions are seriously considering him right now. They will most likely take Stafford, but he's still someone they are looking at

Here are the LB picked in the top 10 of the draft in the last 20 years. I think Curry will be a good player but he isn't #1 overall worthy and probably not even Top 5 worthy, IMO.Keith Rivers - 1.09 (2008)Jerod Mayo - 1.10 (2008)Patrick Willis - 1.11 - I'll list him even though he wasn't Top 10 (2007)AJ Hawk - 1.05 (2006)Ernie Sims - 1.09 (2006)Lavar Arrington - 1.02 (2000)Brian Urlacher - 1.09 (2000)Chris Claiborne - 1.09 (1999)James Farrior - 1.08 (1997)Kevin Hardy - 1.02 (1996)Trev Alberts - 1.05 (1994)Marvin Jones - 1.04 (1993)Quentin Coryatt - 1.02 (1992)Mike Croel - 1.04 (1991)Keith McCants - 1.04 (1990)If Curry ends up on the higher end of this list (Farrior, Urlacher, Willis, or Mayo), is he even worth a top 5 pick then? To me, linebackers just don't carry that kind of value.

Yeah, it might be high for a LB, but from all reports I've heard says he's the safest pick in the draft. The Lions can't afford to screw this one up, and ONLY if we're planning on trading up to take Sanchez could I see us taking him first

 

[mikel0254]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

really? a team completely devoid of any talent aside from CJ/Sims, with needs at all but 2 positions, is going to give the #20 and #33 for the #8?

If we think he could be our franchise quarterback for the next 10 years, I could see the Lions would give that up. Half of the first round picks turn out to be busts anyways. We have another two picks in the 3rd

One more point - if the Lions walked away from the draft with Curry/J. Smith, Sanchez, a 3rd round OL/LB, and a 3rd round CB I think they'd be VERY happy with that

 

[PrimUomo]

At this point I don't see the Lions trading to get another top ten pick. They would be taking big cap hits on unproven players. A better idea for the lions is to draft a non-QB with the first pick and Josh Freeman at 21 (semi-risky to not trade up but I think he will be there).

If stafford falls to the seahawks, I could see a Sanchez bonanza at 6-8. Also, the Pats or Eagles could move up to get what they need.

 

[loose circuits]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

I think Curry has a greater shot at being there at 8 than Sanchez does.

Really? I disagree. I think Curry doesn't fall past #3, and I think the Lions are seriously considering him right now. They will most likely take Stafford, but he's still someone they are looking at

they need to make up for not taking Derrick Johnson. He seems to be a good comparison to Curry. Johnson fell to 15. Didn't a lot of people feel he was a top 5 guy? Can you imagine the difference it would make if you replace what was the Mike Williams Fiasco with DeMarcus Ware, Shawn Merriman, or Derrick Johnson? LOL, that was 3 of the next 4 picks after the Lions took Mike Williams (other being Jamaal Brown). The Lions have whiffed constantly with offense. Time for a change and draft D. Imagine Schwartz could be thinking he's got the next Keith Bulluck to lead his D. Only problem is, Peterson & Sims are similar type of LB's. Not sure who would play Sam in that scenario.Anyways, I think it's possible Curry could take a little tumble based off need. Seattle certainly wouldn't pass on him. The Chiefs would be better off with Orakpo and with the signing of Thomas, they seem to be geared up to look elsewhere. Again, Curry & Derrick Johnson are simlar type of LB's. The Chiefs don't have good enough NT too keep the G's off those guys. Not sure it would be a good fit. They could get by with what they have. I'd expect them to take Orakpo (depending on what they think of Hali) or go for one of the OT's (could kick Albert to LG and trade Waters like he wants).

 

[mikel0254]

At this point I don't see the Lions trading to get another top ten pick. They would be taking big cap hits on unproven players. A better idea for the lions is to draft a non-QB with the first pick and Josh Freeman at 21 (semi-risky to not trade up but I think he will be there).If stafford falls to the seahawks, I could see a Sanchez bonanza at 6-8. Also, the Pats or Eagles could move up to get what they need.

You know, the more I think about the Leftwich trade to TB, this could make sense. I had him going to TB at 19, but now I highly doubt they'll take a QB in the first. If the Lions go LT with the first pick, most likely Freeman will be available at #20. It's funny how one little trade can effect the entire draft

 

[Donnybrook]

The Niners management is completely incompetent, but even so, I think it's pretty unlikely that they'd make the exact same mistake again (choosing a first-round QB who doesn't really grade out that well, just because you need a QB).

I agree. It seems like people are talking out of both sides of their months. First they say Sanchez is definitely worth a top ten pick and then they say he should sit for at least a season. To me suggesting that he needs to sit for a season means he not worth a top 10 pick.

 

[Sinrman]

At this point I don't see the Lions trading to get another top ten pick. They would be taking big cap hits on unproven players. A better idea for the lions is to draft a non-QB with the first pick and Josh Freeman at 21 (semi-risky to not trade up but I think he will be there).If stafford falls to the seahawks, I could see a Sanchez bonanza at 6-8. Also, the Pats or Eagles could move up to get what they need.

You know, the more I think about the Leftwich trade to TB, this could make sense. I had him going to TB at 19, but now I highly doubt they'll take a QB in the first. If the Lions go LT with the first pick, most likely Freeman will be available at #20. It's funny how one little trade can effect the entire draft

Leftwich wasn't traded... he was a FA...If the Lions go LT, which I REALLLLY hope they do, then Stafford will go at #2, #4, #8, or maaaaybe #10 (though I think they are still a little snake-bitten from the whole Alex Smith dibacle). Sanchez could go any number of places after Stafford. Freeman would almost certainly be available at #20, if not later. Heck, with maybe a few possibles, I could even see him falling to Detroit at 2.01.

 

[travdogg]

The Niners management is completely incompetent, but even so, I think it's pretty unlikely that they'd make the exact same mistake again (choosing a first-round QB who doesn't really grade out that well, just because you need a QB).

I agree. It seems like people are talking out of both sides of their months. First they say Sanchez is definitely worth a top ten pick and then they say he should sit for at least a season. To me suggesting that he needs to sit for a season means he not worth a top 10 pick.

There have been several QB's who have been top-10 picks that sat for a year and went on to be totally worth top-10 picks. Most recently Rivers and Palmer.

 

[Donnybrook]

The Niners management is completely incompetent, but even so, I think it's pretty unlikely that they'd make the exact same mistake again (choosing a first-round QB who doesn't really grade out that well, just because you need a QB).

I agree. It seems like people are talking out of both sides of their months. First they say Sanchez is definitely worth a top ten pick and then they say he should sit for at least a season. To me suggesting that he needs to sit for a season means he not worth a top 10 pick.

There have been several QB's who have been top-10 picks that sat for a year and went on to be totally worth top-10 picks. Most recently Rivers and Palmer.

Rivers and Palmer were both seniors and I believe both could have started day one. It just so happened that the team they went to already had solid veteran QBs in Kitna and Brees. IMO, Sanchez because of his inexperience makes it a requirement rather than an option.

 

[mikel0254]

At this point I don't see the Lions trading to get another top ten pick. They would be taking big cap hits on unproven players. A better idea for the lions is to draft a non-QB with the first pick and Josh Freeman at 21 (semi-risky to not trade up but I think he will be there).If stafford falls to the seahawks, I could see a Sanchez bonanza at 6-8. Also, the Pats or Eagles could move up to get what they need.

You know, the more I think about the Leftwich trade to TB, this could make sense. I had him going to TB at 19, but now I highly doubt they'll take a QB in the first. If the Lions go LT with the first pick, most likely Freeman will be available at #20. It's funny how one little trade can effect the entire draft

Leftwich wasn't traded... he was a FA...If the Lions go LT, which I REALLLLY hope they do, then Stafford will go at #2, #4, #8, or maaaaybe #10 (though I think they are still a little snake-bitten from the whole Alex Smith dibacle). Sanchez could go any number of places after Stafford. Freeman would almost certainly be available at #20, if not later. Heck, with maybe a few possibles, I could even see him falling to Detroit at 2.01.

Yeah, I mis-spoke. I knew he was a FA b/c I really wished the Lions took a look at him instead of drafting a QB this year (at least early in the draft)

 

[Balance]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

I think Curry has a greater shot at being there at 8 than Sanchez does.

Even with detroit passing on Stafford? What two teams between 2 and 7 would take QBs?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

I think Curry has a greater shot at being there at 8 than Sanchez does.

Even with detroit passing on Stafford? What two teams between 2 and 7 would take QBs?

No one knows who would take a QB but teams that could include St Louis, Seattle, Cleveland (if Quinn is traded), Jacksonville as well as Denver, Washington, San Francisco, NY Jets, or Tampa Bay trading up into a position to take a QB.

 

[ScottyFargo]

At this point I don't see the Lions trading to get another top ten pick. They would be taking big cap hits on unproven players. A better idea for the lions is to draft a non-QB with the first pick and Josh Freeman at 21 (semi-risky to not trade up but I think he will be there).If stafford falls to the seahawks, I could see a Sanchez bonanza at 6-8. Also, the Pats or Eagles could move up to get what they need.

You know, the more I think about the Leftwich trade to TB, this could make sense. I had him going to TB at 19, but now I highly doubt they'll take a QB in the first. If the Lions go LT with the first pick, most likely Freeman will be available at #20. It's funny how one little trade can effect the entire draft

Leftwich wasn't traded... he was a FA...If the Lions go LT, which I REALLLLY hope they do, then Stafford will go at #2, #4, #8, or maaaaybe #10 (though I think they are still a little snake-bitten from the whole Alex Smith dibacle). Sanchez could go any number of places after Stafford. Freeman would almost certainly be available at #20, if not later. Heck, with maybe a few possibles, I could even see him falling to Detroit at 2.01.

Yeah, I mis-spoke. I knew he was a FA b/c I really wished the Lions took a look at him instead of drafting a QB this year (at least early in the draft)

C-Pep'll get you what you wanted from Leftwich, plus quite a few fumbles but whattayagonnado.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

The Niners management is completely incompetent, but even so, I think it's pretty unlikely that they'd make the exact same mistake again (choosing a first-round QB who doesn't really grade out that well, just because you need a QB).

I agree. It seems like people are talking out of both sides of their months. First they say Sanchez is definitely worth a top ten pick and then they say he should sit for at least a season. To me suggesting that he needs to sit for a season means he not worth a top 10 pick.

I don't see those as mutually exclusive at all (though I don't necessarily have an opinion on either statement). Lots of QBs who have turned out to be franchise or even HOF guys either sat their first year or SHOULD have been sitting their first year.Check out Steve Young's rookie year. Or Elway's. Favre sat. Montana sat. Etc.

 

[trader jake]

The Niners management is completely incompetent, but even so, I think it's pretty unlikely that they'd make the exact same mistake again (choosing a first-round QB who doesn't really grade out that well, just because you need a QB).

I agree. It seems like people are talking out of both sides of their months. First they say Sanchez is definitely worth a top ten pick and then they say he should sit for at least a season. To me suggesting that he needs to sit for a season means he not worth a top 10 pick.

There have been several QB's who have been top-10 picks that sat for a year and went on to be totally worth top-10 picks. Most recently Rivers and Palmer.

Rivers and Palmer were both seniors and I believe both could have started day one. It just so happened that the team they went to already had solid veteran QBs in Kitna and Brees. IMO, Sanchez because of his inexperience makes it a requirement rather than an option.

Almost EVERY rookie quarterback benefits from sitting on the bench year 1. For every Peyton Manning or Matt Ryan that benefits from playing from Day 1 there are 15 QB's that wouldn't/don't. Let's not get fooled by the success of a player like Joe Flacco because his rookie season is a QB aberration. Philip Rivers started all 4 years in college and still benefited by sitting behind Drew Brees for two years in San Diego. So did Steve McNair, etc, etc. The difference between the careers of Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers thus far is one got to sit and learn the game while the other was forced out there too soon. My point...We can debate the pro potential of the rookie QB's all day but Mark Sanchez is no different that Matthew Stafford in terms of benefit gained by them learning from the sidelines during the 2009 season. It doesn't matter if it's behind Daunte Culpepper, David Garrard, Kyle Orton, or a complete stiff...if a team is smart they'll let their investment mature before risking their potential return.

The idea that the 49ers would be "making the same mistake" doesn't apply to selecting the quarterback early - it would be forcing them into game action too soon. A team can't draft out of positional fear or the Lions wouldn't have taken Calvin Johnson because of Charles Rogers act or the Titans wouldn't have taken Chris Johnson last year because Chris Henry didn't pan out the year before. Take the best player but if it's a quarterback you better be willing to let them learn the NFL game or risk busting the player regardless of their talent.

 

[Donnybrook]

The Niners management is completely incompetent, but even so, I think it's pretty unlikely that they'd make the exact same mistake again (choosing a first-round QB who doesn't really grade out that well, just because you need a QB).

I agree. It seems like people are talking out of both sides of their months. First they say Sanchez is definitely worth a top ten pick and then they say he should sit for at least a season. To me suggesting that he needs to sit for a season means he not worth a top 10 pick.

I don't see those as mutually exclusive at all (though I don't necessarily have an opinion on either statement). Lots of QBs who have turned out to be franchise or even HOF guys either sat their first year or SHOULD have been sitting their first year.Check out Steve Young's rookie year. Or Elway's. Favre sat. Montana sat. Etc.

I checked out Steve Young's rookie year. He played something like 14 games for the USFL's LA Express. He was later drafted by Tampa with the #1 pick in the supplemental draft and started a half dozen games in his rookie year.Elway has drafted #1 overall and forced Indy to trade him to the Broncos. He still started 10-11 games his rookie year.

Favre and Montana were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round respectively. They were not getting top 10 money so there was no real rush to start them.

If you are going to pay a QB top 10 money, he should be capable of starting right away IMO. It is ridiculous to ask a team to give up a top 10 pick and then shell a boatload of guaranteed money on a QB that needs another year or two of experience. Why should NFL teams reward junior QBs for coming out early? Jamarcus Russell spent a year on the bench and is still looking like a work in progress.

I know that it may be beneficial for a QB not to start in his rookie year but it is a luxury that many teams can't afford with escalating rookie salaries.

 

[Jack Burton]

I could see Detroit trading up with Jax for the 8th spot. The Lions would take Curry or J. Smith with the first pick in the draft, then trade the #20 pick and the first pick in the second round (#33 overall) to Jax for the #8 pick and take Sanchez

I think Curry has a greater shot at being there at 8 than Sanchez does.

Even with detroit passing on Stafford? What two teams between 2 and 7 would take QBs?

I dont see any of the teams 2 through 9 that would target a QB.